Posted October 12, 200915 yr This article compares Las Vegas to Cleveland pretty negatively. More of the same old same old. Lessons Las Vegas can learn from the Rust Belt By J. Patrick Coolican (contact) Sunday, Oct. 11, 2009 | 2 a.m. The images streaming from Las Vegas during the past two years — foreclosed homes, long unemployment lines, unfinished eyesores on the Strip — must be shocking but also achingly familiar to many Americans. For although they’ve come to expect, from media images and their trips here, a dazzling Las Vegas of perpetual change, growth and prosperity, at the same time they know all too well the signs of economic decline. http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/oct/11/lessons-las-vegas-can-learn-rust-belt/ (edit - fixed some weird copy/paste issue)
October 12, 200915 yr Interesting article. I can't believe the housing prices in Boston! They must really think they're all that and a bag of chips.
October 12, 200915 yr "Lost Wages" Nevada.... Unsustainable Scenario for a long time now...."4,000 people a month month moving to a place that averages some 4 inches of rain a year." Never was, never will be (dams aren't the solution...just the beginning of more problems)--hence why most of the world's population settled along coasts or where water was plenty. But, some want to add 2 and 2 and insist on getting 10....or to stuff 10 pounds of potatoes in a 2 pound bag. Let's learn the term "limits" Anyway, I think everyone out there will have crows feet by the age of 25.
October 12, 200915 yr Flanagan says the low unemployment rate, and myriad amenities and diverse neighborhoods of the city, have combined to retain the young people who once left Pittsburgh in droves. Cleveland has tried to revitalize its downtown with sports stadiums and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but the flight to the suburbs has continued apace. The continued loss of jobs, as well as urban blight and crime, have continued to make the inner core a difficult sell. Yet the graph on the same page shows Pittsburgh has lost the most population of the cities listed (higher than Cleveland).
October 12, 200915 yr It isn't like we couldn't have predicted this for some of the cities in the fast growing sun-belt. I'm sure some of us predicted this long ago, and not just out of envy towards the growth rate of these cities. I find it interesting how the "perception" of Pittsburgh, at least seemingly, is becoming progressive and positive, while Cleveland's "perception" seems to be declining and rust-belt. Why is this? Both cities have dealt with population loss for the last 60 years. Both cities have lost their former main employment sector to overseas markets. Both cities have now transformed their economies, for the most part, to eds and meds economies (with Cleveland's being more medical than educational). WHY is it that the overall image of Cleveland remains negative, at least nationally? Sorry to get off topic, but Cleveland's "perception" is important from many standpoints. I'll start a different thread on this topic if one does not already exist.
October 12, 200915 yr I didn't know the Medical Mart project had stalled? In my opinion, Pittsburgh has everyone fooled. I graduated from Pitt and my wife is from Pittsburgh, so I know a little about the city. The city has flirted with receivership several times over the last decade. The city continues to loss population and the region has consistently loss population since the '70's. Yes, Pittsburgh has done somethings other Rust Belt cities should have done and I'm not trying to hate on the city, but this idea that it's beacon on a hill is ridiculous. Last time I checked, MMPI was trying to put the Med Mart in Cleveland, not Pittsburgh. Everyone points out the "eds and meds" model Pittsburgh is using. The media makes it seem like Pittsburgh is the only Rust Belt city using this model. The Cleveland Clinic and UH employee more people than UPMC. I think there are over 250,000 healthcare jobs in NEO. Also, Cleveland/NEO is only second to Minneapolis in venture capital investment dollars over the last five years. Sounds like Cleveland is using the "eds and meds" model as well. However, you never hear this from the national media. I just wish the media would dig a little deeper rather than picking and choosing what facts they want to bring to light.
October 12, 200915 yr I hate these "city of Cleveland" comparison's against cities in the South & West. All of these studies should be based on metro areas, or at a minimum, county level.
October 12, 200915 yr Has anyone contacted the writer? As you can see by the comments in the article, the Lost Wagians are just as ignorant if not more than NE Ohioans.
October 12, 200915 yr I sent the writer an email about his portrayal of downtown. It was pretty short but I just pointed out the number of people living downtown, east 4th, playhouse square, new office tower in the flats etc. Also, I mentioned the recent NY Times "36 hours" article.
October 12, 200915 yr "Lost Wages" Nevada.... Unsustainable Scenario for a long time now...."4,000 people a month month moving to a place that averages some 4 inches of rain a year." Never was, never will be (dams aren't the solution...just the beginning of more problems)--hence why most of the world's population settled along coasts or where water was plenty. But, some want to add 2 and 2 and insist on getting 10....or to stuff 10 pounds of potatoes in a 2 pound bag. Let's learn the term "limits" Anyway, I think everyone out there will have crows feet by the age of 25. Isn't technology wonderful?
October 12, 200915 yr "Lost Wages" Nevada.... Unsustainable Scenario for a long time now...."4,000 people a month month moving to a place that averages some 4 inches of rain a year." Never was, never will be (dams aren't the solution...just the beginning of more problems)--hence why most of the world's population settled along coasts or where water was plenty. But, some want to add 2 and 2 and insist on getting 10....or to stuff 10 pounds of potatoes in a 2 pound bag. Let's learn the term "limits" Anyway, I think everyone out there will have crows feet by the age of 25. Isn't technology wonderful? Well atleast he didn't talk about their homeless issues, food options or eating habits. ;)
October 12, 200915 yr Vegas is sooooo loud however! I love Lost Wages....when im winning on the Black Jack table!
October 12, 200915 yr "Lost Wages" Nevada.... Unsustainable Scenario for a long time now...."4,000 people a month month moving to a place that averages some 4 inches of rain a year." Never was, never will be (dams aren't the solution...just the beginning of more problems)--hence why most of the world's population settled along coasts or where water was plenty. But, some want to add 2 and 2 and insist on getting 10....or to stuff 10 pounds of potatoes in a 2 pound bag. Let's learn the term "limits" Anyway, I think everyone out there will have crows feet by the age of 25. Isn't technology wonderful? Well atleast he didn't talk about their homeless issues, food options or eating habits. ;) Actually, now that you mention it....I do associate Las Vegas with everything I find obnoxious in human behavior. And maybe its time we focus more on 'quality of population' and not quantity.
October 12, 200915 yr "Lost Wages" Nevada.... Unsustainable Scenario for a long time now...."4,000 people a month month moving to a place that averages some 4 inches of rain a year." Never was, never will be (dams aren't the solution...just the beginning of more problems)--hence why most of the world's population settled along coasts or where water was plenty. But, some want to add 2 and 2 and insist on getting 10....or to stuff 10 pounds of potatoes in a 2 pound bag. Let's learn the term "limits" Anyway, I think everyone out there will have crows feet by the age of 25. Isn't technology wonderful? Yep, those in denial....always comfort themselves with that answer that sounds good...satisfies them, and solves nothing. Youuuu keep telling yourself that technology will save the day! Whatever helps you sleep at night. Meanwhile, try looking up Peter at www.nanfa.org about desert aquatic habitat and many related issues. Maybe we can just let 'technology' drain the Great Lakes to sustain the S.W. And if you think dams are the answer...You really need to check out the NANFA site.
October 12, 200915 yr I sent the writer an email about his portrayal of downtown. It was pretty short but I just pointed out the number of people living downtown, east 4th, playhouse square, new office tower in the flats etc. Also, I mentioned the recent NY Times "36 hours" article. Very good and productive! Thanks... More here should do the same instead of attacking others.
October 12, 200915 yr Yet another thread hijacked by EC.....GEEZ!!!! No, not hijacked.... Just not afraid to disagree with the masses.
October 12, 200915 yr hmm, it isnt like the author doesnt know anything about ohio -- look what i found: "yada yada....J. Patrick Coolican, a former Seattle Times reporter, is studying post-traumatic stress disorder in Iraq veterans as part of a Kiplinger fellowship at Ohio State University." http://www.purpleheartsbook.com/tmp/Seattletimes.htm
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