New casino pitch puts one in Columbus

Business First of Columbus - by Jeff Bell

Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 4:15pm

 

A Pennsylvania gaming company and Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert want to build four casinos in Ohio, including one on the edge of the Arena District in Columbus.  The Ohio Jobs and Growth Committee, a political action committee, submitted paperwork to the Ohio Attorney General’s Office Wednesday seeking to place a constitutional amendment on the Nov. 3 ballot. It would ask voters to approve a plan to build casinos in Columbus, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Toledo in which Penn National Gaming Inc. and Gilbert would be the investors.

 

 

Read more at http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2009/03/09/daily23.html

Eh, why not LOL!

Looks like Scioto Lake!

Out of all of the things that make a city great this is in the bottom ten list.

Looks like Scioto Lake!

 

Ha!  You're right, it does! 

 

Either that or Franklinton just flooded again!

There's much more discussion and postings on the latest casino proposal over at the Ohio casino gaming discussion in the City Discussion section.

 

However, I'm posting the link and graphic to today's Dispatch article about it here.  Although the Columbus casino location is in the Arena District, and is noted in the article, the article is mostly about the new statewide proposal.  Below is the link to the graphic which has a map of the Arena District location in relation to the rest of downtown.

 

GRAPHIC: RESULTS OF PREVIOUS FOUR STATEWIDE VOTES AND MAP OF PROPOSED ARENA DISTRICT CASINO LOCATION

Casinos TOTALLY brought Detroit back. I say go for it, Columbus!

I can't tell if that is sarcasm, but in a way, Detroit is better off with casinos. Some of the districts surrounding the casinos are actually vibrant and with pedestrian activity during the evenings. Schools are being rebuilt or modernized for the first time in decades. The tax base is growing. And they have good food (Chris!!!)

Well, it's in the perfect area for a casino.  Meaning, nowhere.

I'll leave the wisdom and/or folly of allowing casinos in Ohio to others.  I'm agnostic on gambling/gaming.  But, if you have to locate a casino in Columbus, this is not a bad location. 

 

This proposed casino location is one block from the Huntington ballpark, which is one block from Nationwide Arena, which is one block from the Convention Center - all connected by Nationwide Boulevard.  That's a pretty good lineup of entertainment venues within walking distance of the convention center and the surrounding hotels.  However, the location also kind of isolated from the rest of downtown.  Its not on a through-street and its separated by natural and artifical barriers.  So if you want to experiment with a casino, this might be the right place. 

 

This location was mentioned previously in this thread here.  Its the Plaza Properties 23-acre tract that was floated as a possible site for 1000 condominiums and apartments.

People will take their money to the river and gamble.  Whether or not you personally believe in gambling is not the issue.  I dint' smoke or drink, but that does not mean that I condemn others for their vices.  Why not get the revenue in Ohio? 

 

I just hate to see the area lose out.  Of course it is not the ideal solution and not a panacea for the downturn in the economy, but it isn't bad either.  It might just increase tourism, create a few more side businesses (restaurants, bars and supporting services) and give lots of people jobs. 

 

Friends from Columbus travel to the river boats all the time to gamble.  Even if they don't gamble a lot, they do it for the atmosphere, which they enjoy. 

I can't tell if that is sarcasm, but in a way, Detroit is better off with casinos. Some of the districts surrounding the casinos are actually vibrant and with pedestrian activity during the evenings. Schools are being rebuilt or modernized for the first time in decades. The tax base is growing. And they have good food (Chris!!!)

 

Well Columbus already has all of this.  And we didn't need a casino to make it happen. Columbus is well enough off that the city knows casinos are not the answer to spur economic development.

 

Things that create jobs, the mayors plan for light rail and street cars (infrastructure), and tax abatements for apartments, condos, and townhomes in the central city create a real turn around and have large aggregate economic growth.

 

However, a casino could drain some money from the lower income pools, this would be awfully close to many poor living in the near west side (ala bottoms and franklinton.)

 

Also, these area is already lively and it would be near most of downtowns entertainment, the short north, the hockey arena, the new ballpark, and a lot of modern office and condo development. 

 

From a political standpoint this casino plan trys to go for the "regional ohio approach."

 

Ohio is a state defined by regionalism.  Many in Columbus voted against the Cleveland plan because, "we are not getting one." This plan attempts to leave no urban area out and even trys to please Toledo, before they can succeed from the state.

CASINO FOR COLUMBUS

Developer not notified about plan

Condos were planned for the 18-acre parcel

Saturday,  March 14, 2009 3:22 AM

By James Nash THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

 

The proposed site for central Ohio's first casino is a long-abandoned and pockmarked factory, but it's close to the thriving entertainment district surrounding Nationwide Arena.  Although the casino -- costing at least $250 million and providing table games and as many as 5,000 slot machines -- would change the character of the neighborhood, its proponents did not vet the idea with the major landowner in the Arena District.

 

Nationwide Realty Investors, which developed the hockey arena and surrounding sites, was not notified about the proposal to build a casino just west of the Huntington Park baseball field now under construction, said Tina Guegold, spokeswoman for Nationwide Realty. "Because we haven't had those discussions, we don't have a position (on the casino proposal)," she said.

 

On Wednesday, Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert and Penn National Gaming Co. joined forces to propose casinos in Columbus, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Toledo. Penn National, a casino and racetrack operator based in Pennsylvania, would develop the Columbus site.

 

Read more at http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/03/14/CASINOSITE.ART_ART_03-14-09_A1_4HD7RR6.html?sid=101

Very interesting!  You'd think that Dan Gilbert would know you always want Nationwide On Your Side.  Right?

Like people said earlier, sure casinos brought back Detroit, but Columbus doesn't need brought back because its not in a hole like Detroit. As for the revenue, why not make money by letting more people come to the arena district? Sounds like a nice location also. There, win win situation. Why not?

Interesting quote from the Dispatch article:

 

<i>Before the casino proposal surfaced, Plaza Properties had proposed 1,000 condos and apartments, plus restaurants and offices on the site. Milligan said that if the casino plan fails, the earlier proposal could come back.</i>

 

I'm not 100% anti-casino, but if I had to choose between:

 

- 1000 new downtown residential units, plus offices and restaurants

 

Or:

 

- A casino

 

I'd probably opt for the former rather than the latter.

 

 

Some recent news on an older Arena District topic...

 

CASINO FOR COLUMBUS

Developer not notified about plan

Condos were planned for the 18-acre parcel

Saturday,  March 14, 2009

By James Nash, The Columbus Dispatch

 

The proposed site for central Ohio's first casino is a long-abandoned and pockmarked factory, but it's close to the thriving entertainment district surrounding Nationwide Arena.  Although the casino -- costing at least $250 million and providing table games and as many as 5,000 slot machines -- would change the character of the neighborhood, its proponents did not vet the idea with the major landowner in the Arena District.  Nationwide Realty Investors, which developed the hockey arena and surrounding sites, was not notified about the proposal to build a casino just west of the Huntington Park baseball field now under construction, said Tina Guegold, spokeswoman for Nationwide Realty.  "Because we haven't had those discussions, we don't have a position (on the casino proposal)," she said.

 

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/03/14/CASINOSITE.ART_ART_03-14-09_A1_4HD7RR6.html?sid=101

Well, now Nationwide does have a position on the casino proposal!

 

Nationwide not on casino's side

Posted by James Nash, Statehouse reporter on May 15, 2009 - 3:46 PM

http://blog.dispatch.com/dailybriefing/2009/05/nationwide_not_on_casinos_side.shtml

 

Fences may make good neighbors, but a casino would not, according to the major landowner that would share the Arena District with a proposed gambling facility in Columbus.  Nationwide Mutual Insurance Company & Affiliated Companies, whose Nationwide Realty Investors has developed much of the Arena District including a baseball stadium and hockey arena, opposes the proposal for casinos in Columbus, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Toledo.  Nationwide spokesman Eric Hardgrove said today that the company's position isn't based on simple real-estate considerations.  "We don't see it as a sound business decision for the Columbus community or the state as a whole," Hardgrove said.

Yeah, that's bad news for the casino folks.

 

Personally, I'd much rather see that whole site developed with housing and mixed use office/retail.

Casino backers can’t bet on Nationwide support

Business First of Columbus - by Jeff Bell

Friday, May 22, 2009

 

Nationwide Insurance may wade into the fight against a casino on the edge of the Arena District.  The Columbus insurer, whose real estate arm developed the 75-acre district, opposes an effort to put a casino just west of the downtown neighborhood and hasn’t ruled out providing financial support to fight the proposal if it qualifies for the Nov. 3 ballot.  “Our official position is we are opposed to the casino plan,” said Nationwide spokesman Eric Hardgrove.  “We don’t feel it’s a sound business decision for the local community or the state.”

 

Read more at http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2009/05/25/story3.html

Is there any news/thoughts on the proposed Casino location, west of Huntington Park? I've only seen one story on NBC4i.

Surprisingly, there has been very little news about the proposed Arena District casino location since the initial news of the proposed location in March and the news in May about the developer of the Arena District, Nationwide, opposing the casino proposal. 

 

Actually, maybe it's not so surprising that there's been no mention of project specifics like building height, exterior appearance or if any restaurants/hotels might be part of the mixture of uses.  That's the second step for the casino project.  The first step is passing the statewide vote - certainly no guarantee.  Without the first step of voter approval, the second step of the actual casino design is moot. 

 

And there has been plenty reported about the statewide vote.

I posted too soon about the lack of project specifics on the Arena District casino proposal.  It was reported today that casino developer Penn National is making some project commitments to Experience Columbus in order to get their endorsement.  Experience Columbus is our convention & visitors bureau.  Here's an excerpt below from the article in today's Dispatch.

 

 

City tourism leaders vexed by casino plan

Developer dangles big bucks, hopes for endorsement

Thursday,  September 24, 2009

By Marla Matzer Rose, The Columbus Dispatch

 

A letter this week from casino developer Penn National to Experience Columbus outlined the commitments the company would make.  Besides offering a direct annual financial contribution to Experience Columbus, Penn National said it would not build a hotel to go along with its casino in the Arena District, nor would it build large-scale meeting space.  The latter items would alleviate concerns about competition with existing hotels and the convention center.

 

Full story at http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/09/24/copy/casinos_cvbs.ART_ART_09-24-09_A1_MTF5UHT.html?adsec=politics&sid=101

I split off the casino proposal from the larger Arena District development thread.  The casino topic was kind of getting buried among all the other AD developments and news.  Also, there seems to be more news about the casino proposal as we get closer to the November statewide vote.

Opponents wary of casino gridlock

Business First of Columbus - by Jeff Bell

Friday, September 25, 2009

 

Penn National Gaming Inc. plans to develop a $250 million gaming facility on a former industrial site at 560 W. Nationwide Blvd. if Ohio voters approve a casino issue on the Nov. 3 ballot.  Casinos also are proposed for Cleveland, Toledo and Cincinnati.  The Columbus facility would be just down the street from county-owned Huntington Park, home of minor league baseball’s Clippers, and Nationwide Arena where the Columbus Blue Jackets play their hockey games.

 

The casino would be built along a stretch of a two-lane street immediately west of a CSX railroad trestle.  The site lacks a direct connection to local freeways, and only a handful of side streets provide access to or from Spring and Long streets to the south.  That means much of the casino traffic would move through the already busy intersection at Neil Avenue and Nationwide Boulevard.

 

Full story at http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2009/09/28/story1.html

Before a casino, a cleanup

State agreed to prepare factory site for condos, but gamers in line to buy it

Sunday,  September 27, 2009

By James Nash, THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

 

The former Jaeger Machine Co. property west of Huntington Park in the Arena District would be home to Columbus' first casino if voters approve a ballot measure in November for casinos in Columbus, Cincinnati, Cleveland and Toledo.  Governor Strickland and virtually all other state leaders oppose state Issue 3, calling it a bad deal for Ohio.  But the state has, unwittingly, made the Columbus site a better deal for the owner, Plaza Properties, and would-be casino developer Penn National Gaming Inc.

 

Last year, the Ohio Department of Development awarded a $750,000 Clean Ohio Assistance Fund grant to demolish the tool factory and clean up pollution from more than 70 years of manufacturing on the brownfield site.  At the time, Plaza Properties told the state it planned to build 243 condominiums, 15,000 square feet of retail space and a small park on the 7.7-acre site.  That was before Penn National Gaming and Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert hatched their proposal for casinos in Ohio's four largest cities. 

 

Early this year, Penn National reached a deal with Plaza Properties to buy this site, which is part of 22 acres that Plaza Properties owns in the area, that would be used for the casino if the ballot measure passes in November.  By then, the Ohio Department of Development had already awarded the grant. Plaza Properties also is expected to spend $1.6 million to remediate the site.

 

Full story at http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/09/27/copy/CLEANUPS.ART_ART_09-27-09_B1_K0F6RTM.html?adsec=politics&sid=101

Columbus doesn't need it. Casinos are for poor, desperate cities.

News on the proposed casino and more discussion at http://www.columbusunderground.com/proposed-casino-to-be-branded-as-hollywood-casino

 

Proposed Casino to be Branded as Hollywood Casino

"NBC4 is reporting that the proposed Arena District Casino would be branded as a “Hollywood Casino”, similar to its Indiana counterpart.  In the article, a representative says that renderings won’t be made available before election day, but states that the casino will be a single-story structure with an attached parking garage, and will include a performance stage and dining options."

 

LINK: NBC4 REPORT

 

LINK: HOLLYWOOD CASINO INDIANA WEBSITE

Casino bid finding few fans among area business ranks

Business First of Columbus - by Jeff Bell

Friday, October 16, 2009

 

Unlike their counterparts in Cleveland, Cincinnati and Toledo, key business groups in Columbus haven’t jumped on the pro-casino bandwagon as the Nov. 3 election nears.  The Greater Cleveland Partnership and Cincinnati USA Regional Chamber have endorsed state Issue 3, a constitutional amendment that would allow casinos to be built in Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus and Toledo.  In addition, tourism bureaus in Cleveland and Toledo have backed the proposal.

 

But the Columbus Partnership, an organization of business executives and civic officials in Central Ohio, opposes Issue 3.  The boards of directors at Experience Columbus, the region’s tourism agency, and ColumbusChamber are expected to make their decisions at meetings Oct. 21 and Oct. 22, respectively.

 

Read more at http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2009/10/19/story2.html

Downtown development group opposes casino proposal

Business First of Columbus - by Matt Burns

Friday, October 16, 2009

 

The developer behind the revitalization of the former City Center Mall has come out against the casino proposal set to go before voters in a few weeks, saying the proposal would be a big step back for the area’s redevelopment.  The board of Capitol South Community Redevelopment Corp. announced its opposition to Issue 3 Friday.  Voter approval next month of the constitutional amendment would allow casinos to be built in four Ohio cities, including one in Columbus on the edge of the Arena District.

 

The group said its against the proposal not in objection to gambling, but in part because it would fall outside its regulatory capacity.  It also cited research opponents of the plan have used that said a full-service casino would hurt nearby businesses and said the Ohio Constitution shouldn’t be the path for voters to “give up local control to out-of-state businesses with a singular agenda to make money for the pockets of special interests.”

 

Full story at http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2009/10/12/daily41.html

The Columbus Dispatch's editorial against the Ohio Casino issue (link below).

 

Editorial: No on State Issue 3

Casino proposal would give owners lucrative monopoly; Ohioans would get leftovers

Politicians are so easily bought out. You will always find debates on whether or not casinos spur economic development and are good or a detriment to the community. It isn't just the casino's investors who want this thing - it's the people who make the slot machines. These corporations have deep pockets and a lot of money is set aside to get through the red tape and expand into new states. You will always find valid points on both sides of the issue because the guys who run the casinos have the money to hire lobbyists, public relations consultants and researchers that anticipate every argument against their agenda. Then you have people on the other side who only need to use common sense. If you're trying to persuade people to vote for something controversial, it is so easy to manipulate statistics and use a methodology that serves your purpose. At the end of the day, people don't really care about splurging money though. We raise taxes and build $500M stadiums that do little more than let us feel happy about ourselves for being a part of a major league franchise that makes headlines. People know football and baseball aren't the best civic investments but they're fun. So is gambling.

Two more Columbus groups issue opinions on the statewide casino vote.  The Chamber of Commerce (ColumbusChamber) opposes it.  The convention and visitors bureau (Experience Columbus) stays neutral.

 

ColumbusChamber opposes casino plan

 

Convention board won't take stand on casinos

Rundown of who's for, against and neutral on the casino gambling issue from '09 casino war is quirky: Issue 3 produces odd alliances, defections of past gambling foes.

 

SUPPORT

Ohio House Speaker Armond Budish

Cleveland Mayor Frank G. Jackson

Cincinnati Mayor Mark Mallory

Toledo Mayor Carty Finkbeiner

The (Cleveland) Plain Dealer

The Cincinnati Enquirer

Ohio Fraternal Order of Police

Ohio AFL/CIO

United Auto Workers

Akron Mayor Don Plusquellic

NAACP, Columbus chapter

Cleveland City Council

 

OPPOSITION

Gov. Ted Strickland

U.S. Sen. George V. Voinovich

U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown

State Auditor Mary Taylor

Ohio Senate President Bill M. Harris

Ohio Council of Churches

The Columbus Dispatch

The (Toledo) Blade

Youngstown Mayor Jay Williams

ProgressOhio

Columbus Chamber of Commerce

Franklin County Commissioner John O'Grady

 

NO POSITION

Columbus Mayor Michael B. Coleman

Attorney General Richard Cordray

Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner

State Treasurer Kevin L. Boyce

Ohio Democratic Party

Ohio Republican Party

 

Move Mayor Coleman from the "no position" to the "opposition" column...

 

Coleman votes against casino issue

Business First of Columbus - by Matt Burns

Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 4:41pm

 

Columbus Mayor Michael Coleman is siding with a number of influential Columbus business groups in opposing the casino plan set to go before voters next week, but don’t expect him to hit the trail in the six days that remain before the polls open.  Coleman spokesman Dan Williamson confirmed Coleman cast his vote against Issue 3 Wednesday in voting early at the Franklin County Board of Elections.  Of the four cities that would see casinos built should voters approve the constitutional amendment, he’s the only mayor against it.

 

Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson, Cincinnati Mayor Mark Mallory and Toledo Mayor Carty Finkbeiner all have publicly endorsed Issue 3, which will ask voters to approve building casinos in Columbus and those three cities.  Wyomissing, Pa.-based Penn National Gaming Inc. and Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert would be investors in the $1 billion proposal.

 

Full story at http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2009/10/26/daily27.html?surround=lfn

Okay, now move Experience Columbus from the "no position" to the "opposition" column!

 

Visitors bureau comes out against Issue 3

Thursday,  October 29, 2009 - 7:36 PM

Updated: Friday, October 30, 2009 - 12:33 AM

By Barbara Carmen and Robert Vitale, The Columbus Dispatch

 

The board of Columbus' convention and visitors bureau backed off an earlier decision to remain neutral on Issue 3, voting yesterday to oppose Tuesday's ballot effort to allow casinos in Ohio.  The Experience Columbus board's specific concern about Issue 3 primarily relates to the lack of sufficient state and local government controls over casinos. 

 

Furthermore, the board said in a written statement, Experience Columbus is concerned about the proposed location of the Columbus casino site and feels that any site chosen for this purpose should be a community-led decision.  The head of the organization said on Oct. 21 that the board would not take a stand on the issue, saying it lacked the information to make a decision.  Convention bureaus in Cleveland and Toledo favor Issue 3.

 

Full story at http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/10/29/experience.html

Casino backers: ‘Development begins today’

Business First of Columbus - by Matt Burns

Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 4:26pm

 

Standing on the site of a $300 million casino planned for downtown Columbus, developers say they won’t delay in getting on the three-year-long road to open the complex, but acknowledged they may face a tough journey in the state’s capital city where backing for the casinos is weak.  Executives of Penn National Gaming Inc. met with reporters Wednesday at the site west of the Arena District along Nationwide Boulevard that will be home to one of four casinos approved Tuesday by voters with the passage of controversial Issue 3. 

 

Wyomissing, Pa.-based Penn National will build and operate the casinos in Columbus and Toledo, and Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert will develop the Cleveland and Cincinnati gaming centers.  After clinching victory with 53 percent of the vote, Penn National intends to get construction under way in Columbus about a year from now, said spokesman Eric Schippers.  Executives hope the Columbus and Toledo casinos, which will be designed in line with the Penn National’s Hollywood Casino brand, will open their doors in late 2012.

 

Full story at http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2009/11/02/daily24.html

Now is it true that the Columbus and Toledo sites will only be blackjack, roulette, and slots?

If they end up f*ing up the Arena District with this... I will not be a happy camper.

I am not at all happy with this.  I am with LAsam.  If they end up fucking up the Arena District with this, I will be none to happy.  Is it possible for Columbus to put together an initiative to amend the city charter to not allow a casino to be built in the city?

LAsam and J.Remy:  You're not the only ones concerned with this.

 

COLUMBUS UNDERGROUND DISCUSSION: Issue 3 - Casino News & Updates

 

DISPATCH ARTICLE: How would a casino affect Arena District?

 

DISPATCH COMMENTARY: Michael Arace commentary: Casino could cast cloud over Arena District

Now is it true that the Columbus and Toledo sites will only be blackjack, roulette, and slots?

I don't think they've said for sure.  But the Columbus and Toldeo casinos are supposed to be modeled on the existing Hollywood Indiana casino.  And at www.hollywoodindiana.com, they have slots, blackjack, roulette, poker and craps.  As well as celebrity impersonators, like Madonna, Elvis and Michael Jackson (!).

Columbus as a whole seems to be less enamored with the casino as the rest of the state, perhaps due to the Arena District proposal The NE side of Downtown seems sleepiest at this time; the casino might be better off just east of the Convention Center.

Just east of the convention center is 1) I-71 2) Train Tracks 3) Abbot Laboratories, Columbus Baking, and a number of other active sites. South of that you've got CCCS, CCAD, Franklin University, CMA and a host of other likely disinterested neighbors. Somebody said it: the City Center Mall site. They could pretty much move in now. Frankly, I don't see the casino "f$&king up" the Arena district; it's already pretty much astroturf as it is. A casino won't upset any natural order of things.

The reason I'm worried koow, is because what I always liked about the arena district was the "feel" of the area.  I loved all the beautiful brick, the fact that it was lively but not overcrowded, and the fact that it felt somewhat authentic even though most of it was new build.  If they drop some garish, tacky casino there I think it could really mess up the synergy of the area. 

Somebody said it: the City Center Mall site. They could pretty much move in now.

 

I like that idea as well, but as was mentioned by someone else, the Statehouse probably wouldn't like the idea of the casino being so close. It would provide symbolism for those who may think the Statehouse is in the casino's pocket.

The reason I'm worried koow, is because what I always liked about the arena district was the "feel" of the area. I loved all the beautiful brick, the fact that it was lively but not overcrowded, and the fact that it felt somewhat authentic even though most of it was new build. If they drop some garish, tacky casino there I think it could really mess up the synergy of the area.

 

From a standpoint of aesthetics, the casino will have to toe the planning line. As for the crowds, don't worry. They'll be inside the casino, hunched over slot machines.

All I know is that the name, `Hollywood Casino`, is so awesome it's sure to attract people.  I mean they must have done study after study to come up with the best possible name ever.  I bet the name alone attracts people from all over lowly ohio who want to get a taste of the `Hollywood` atmosphere we all hear so much about!  Personally I can't wait!! I'm expecting to see at least a couple `stars` there every time I go... God I love that name!!!

Somebody said it: the City Center Mall site. They could pretty much move in now.

 

Haven't been by lately, have you?

 

<img src="http://www.columbusunderground.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/cc-n2-2.jpg">

 

Anyway, the location was already decided by the casino developers before the vote was held. There's really no point to discussing other "what if" possibilities at this point.

Looks good to me.

Any preliminary renderings?