Posted February 13, 200718 yr from cleveland.com School of the Arts supporters announce plan to replace building Planning for a new Cleveland School of the Arts and Technology building in University Circle begins this week, a fund-raising group announced. Friends of Cleveland School of the Arts and the district will work together to replace the 80-year-old school on Stearns Road, which serves grades six through twelve. The new building would accommodate students in every grade level, Friends board president Sam Johnson said in a news release... more at: http://www.cleveland.com "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 13, 200718 yr What happens to the old building? I can't picture it exactly, but I think I remember it as an attractive building.
February 13, 200718 yr It'll be torn down. They made this decision a while ago. I'll add some more comments a little later.
February 13, 200718 yr ^ what if they can re-use aspects of the old building in the end product of the new one? while i do like the current building, it is likely very cramped for the the type of teaching they are doing inside and reconfiguration of space could end up costing more than building new. anyone know what the original building was intended to function as?
February 14, 200718 yr MTS, I've been on the inside. Guv, There are old maps that refer to the building as something like the 'cleveland teachers training school'.
February 14, 200718 yr MTS, I've been on the inside. Guv, There are old maps that refer to the building as something like the 'cleveland teachers training school'. Although I like the building I was given a tour of the inside. The school is in very bad shape. As much as I would like to see it turned into a condo building or rehabbed like John Hay, my primary concern is a sound and functioning place of learning for those totally creative kids. Does anyone know why the school must be raised? Is the cost to rehab more than the cost to raise & rebuild?
February 14, 200718 yr Did they consider selling the current building and trying to acquire land elsewhere? I'm sure that it would be tough to do so within UC proper, but if they located just a little outside, in Hough or Fairfax, I would think that other sites could be found.
February 14, 200718 yr MTS, It would be much more expensive to renovate it than to build anew. Also, they want to add k-8.
February 14, 200718 yr MTS, It would be much more expensive to renovate it than to build anew. Also, they want to add k-8. Thats what I thought. Are there any renderings of the new school? It would be awesome if they could build this in the theater district and have PHS partner with the school, would be amazing.
February 14, 200718 yr They are not anywhere close to renderings. Word is that they'd like to ask the Clinic to donate its property at the corner of Stearns/Carnegie so that they could build out to the corner and make a good architectural statement to all those Carnegie commuters.
February 14, 200718 yr New building proposed for School of the Arts Wednesday, February 14, 2007 Joseph L. Wagner and Angela Townsend Plain Dealer Reporters It's a big dream - a brand-new Cleveland School of the Arts building that would open in fall 2010. Friends of the Cleveland School of the Arts, a nonprofit group that raises money and provides other resources to the school, is working with Cleveland district officials on preliminary plans to make that dream a reality. Plans and cost estimates are in the early stages and could change, said Daniel Burns, the district's chief operating officer. The existing school, in the University Circle neighborhood, houses grades six through 12 and academically is among the highest rated in the district. Students must audition to be admitted, and major in music, dance, theater, and literary and visual arts... more at: http://www.cleveland.com
February 14, 200718 yr If this is the building I'm thinking of, I can't understand why anyone would want to demolish it. What a great old building! OK, so it would cost more to renovate it than build new... Maybe because what we build today is cheap, as in flimsy and architecturally uninspired. Is there a way to quantify the uplifting aspects of architecture and a sense of history? If there is, I doubt that demolishing this building and replacing it with schlock will be less expensive. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 14, 200718 yr If this is the building I'm thinking of, I can't understand why anyone would want to demolish it. What a great old building! OK, so it would cost more to renovate it than build new... Maybe because what we build today is cheap, as in flimsy and architecturally uninspired. Is there a way to quantify the uplifting aspects of architecture and a sense of history? If there is, I doubt that demolishing this building and replacing it with schlock will be less expensive. You are 100% correct on all points.
February 14, 200718 yr ^Yeah, it might be "cheaper" to build new if you take a short-term view. But whatever we build new is going to last maybe 30 years. Then we have to start all over again. If we renovated the old building, it could last for another 100. So that option is undoubtedly cheaper if you take the long view -- even considering only the economics, not the aesthetic and historical concerns KJP brings up.
February 14, 200718 yr It's the one with the hipped roof with a wing on each side. Bummer. I like the building at the bottom of the photo too and worry about its future.
February 14, 200718 yr Parkside Dwellings isn't going anywhere. The owners have put a ton of money into it and it's entirely leased out, with the exception of a gorgeous 2-story penthouse. I am in full agreement with the shouts for preservation posted previously on this thread. What kind of message do we want to send to our new generations of students? That we have a throwaway society where history and resource maximization are disposable? This is a bad move for a whole host of reasons. Spending a little extra will get us a lot more in return...
February 14, 200718 yr Thanks MGD for the good news about Parkside Dwellings (didn't know it's name)! Man am I a worrier.
February 15, 200718 yr Here is a thought ,get the building placed onthe national historical list ,so public funding can not be used. Save the building for a co-op Another thing,there was chat before about 105th and euclid. Any one knows were toby lives. I would love to build a 30 story co-op on the corner, right were the american cancer building. Then right next to it,build a tiffany's department store. Would also love to move the mcdonalds house up cedar hill and place three co op on that property. I wonder if Toby would love to live on the highest apartment in cleveland. Perhaps in a 6000 sq.ft penthouse.
February 16, 200718 yr Here is a thought ,get the building placed onthe national historical list ,so public funding can not be used. Save the building for a co-op Another thing,there was chat before about 105th and euclid. Any one knows were toby lives. I would love to build a 30 story co-op on the corner, right were the american cancer building. Then right next to it,build a tiffany's department store. Would also love to move the mcdonalds house up cedar hill and place three co op on that property. I wonder if Toby would love to live on the highest apartment in cleveland. Perhaps in a 6000 sq.ft penthouse. 3231 is placing the building on the NHL something to consider? At this point in time is that even a considerations?Cleveland is not a co-op city. People want to outright own without others having a say in what you do in your individual unit. What the hell is a tiffany's department store? Do you mean Tiffany & Co. as in the Jeweler?
February 16, 200718 yr Hunting Valley, yes? And I don't know that the National Register has any real bearing on local developments. I believe the local landmark status is binding.
September 23, 200717 yr Uh, the ParkWorks Foundation Cleveland School of the Arts will be rebuilt, linked to John Hay High Plans call for link to John Hay Sunday, September 23, 2007 Joseph L. Wagner Plain Dealer Reporter School officials are planning to rebuild the Cleveland School of the Arts and link it to the newly renovated John Hay High School with scenic greens. The often-stalled $30 million project is scheduled to be included in the district's sweeping revision of its school building plan scheduled to be unveiled to the public next month, Dan Burns, the district's chief operating officer, said Saturday. "It's going to be wonderful for the community," Burns said. "We're going to try to protect the historical significance of the area. It will enhance University Circle and be accessible to the neighbors."... more at: http://www.cleveland.com
September 24, 200717 yr What do they mean by "rebuild"? Is the plan still to replace the building, or are they going to renovate?
May 16, 200916 yr http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/05/cleveland_school_of_arts_frien.html Cleveland School of Arts, Friends group suffer layoffs as fund-raising lags Posted by Thomas Ott / Plain Dealer Reporter May 15, 2009 21:54PM The most jarring note at a Cleveland School of the Arts orchestra rehearsal Friday morning, May 15, wasn't the work of the kids. It came from the office. Conductor Dianna Richardson was handed a layoff notice in the middle of a class. She had to blink back tears but continued preparing her proteges to perform today at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum...
October 26, 200915 yr In what I think is going to be the biggest demolition mistake in 20 years, they are taking down a beauty, The Cleveland School of The Arts at 2064 Stearns Rd. It's such a gorgeous building. What a damn shame, this one takes the cake for sickest demo yet. Sickening...... http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=2064+Stearns+Rd,+Cleveland,+Cuyahoga,+Ohio+44106&sll=40.75844,-73.985195&sspn=0.074376,0.162563&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FQpFeQIdQ70i-w&split=0&hq=&hnear=2064+Stearns+Rd,+Cleveland,+Cuyahoga,+Ohio+44106&ll=41.501939,-81.608973&spn=0.000258,0.00127&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=41.502173,-81.608506&panoid=SNGaNN-u0ZLK6LWGqEbOow&cbp=11,246.62,,0,-4.6
October 26, 200915 yr ^Maybe I am wrong, but didn't they just do a small renovation of this building (like a new roof and a few other things)?
October 26, 200915 yr ^It looks like it... I don't see how this building merits demolition. Lets hope that the new building actually has a stage...
October 26, 200915 yr Why are they tearing down the School of the Arts building? You don't tear down an impressive structure like this without good reason... right?
October 26, 200915 yr I may be wrong, but I don't think that demolition necessarily means tearing down the whole structure. It could mean bringing down a wall or somesuch.
October 26, 200915 yr According to Cleveland.com, the news story states that the building is like a dungeon and will be demolished to make way for a $30 million dollar facility. The students have been re-housed on Superior and E. Sixty-something. The building itself is entirely fenced off. Of course it doesn't make sense. Of course it doesn't need torn down. Of course it just got renovated. Of course it has beautiful public art on the wall. But this is Cleveland and we tear stuff down because we're good at it.
October 26, 200915 yr Cleveland School of the Arts settles into new quarters where students finally have a stage By Thomas Ott, The Plain Dealer October 26, 2009 CLEVELAND, Ohio -- What irony! The Cleveland School of the Arts is enveloped in a real-life drama: Urban school longs for years to have its own auditorium. School gets auditorium. School may lose auditorium, depending on how the end is written. Act II of our story finds the school's Main Campus contented in temporary lodging at the former Harry E. Davis Junior High. The campus, for grades six through 12, is supposed to remain there for about three years while its dungeon-like space in University Circle is demolished and replaced with a sparkling new home. more at: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/10/cleveland_school_of_the_arts_s.html
October 27, 200915 yr ^I think I actually agree with the negativity in the comments section to that piece. Pathetic that the state building construction regs are so restrictive that even a school of the arts can't have an auditorium that doesn't double as a gym or caf. Time for the City's deep pockets to come through. Or maybe it was time to think about siting the school so it could share a venue with another UC group.
October 27, 200915 yr ^I think I actually agree with the negativity in the comments section to that piece. Pathetic that the state building construction regs are so restrictive that even a school of the arts can't have an auditorium that doesn't double as a gym or caf. Time for the City's deep pockets to come through. Or maybe it was time to think about siting the school so it could share a venue with another UC group. The idea was to use the auditorium at John Hay. Hay's auditorium is absolutely beautiful. The area between John Hay and CSA was redesigned and built so that the two schools formed a campus. A street was vacated and greened over. Now walking paths connect the two schools.
October 27, 200915 yr ^This is exactly what my reaction was when I read about the lack of auditorium space in the "dungeon." Yet, no mention of John Hay, the $33 million renovation that was completed in 2006, or the unified campus. How come this doesn't suffice for their needs? I am VERY disappointed that they've already arrived at this conclusion.
October 27, 200915 yr I remember staring out the windows in the Sears library (CIT campus) looking at this building rather than doing my homework. We can see that it is a beauty on the outside. If we can afford to rehabilitate the High School next door why not this small building?
October 27, 200915 yr Does this structure have a historic or landmark status? Or sit in an historic district? If so, alternatives to demolition have to be explored before seeking demolition. If not, I don't think there is much legal recourse to stop this demolition. Don't we have a preservation society? If so, where the f--- are they on this stuff?? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 27, 200915 yr ^we have a Restoration Society, but I've never heard of a Preservation Society.
October 27, 200915 yr That's the one. If I recall they get involved more in research, correct? Rather than enforcement and actual preservation? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 27, 200915 yr That's the one. If I recall they get involved more in research, correct? Rather than enforcement and actual preservation? They provide loan interest loans that help people fix up their old homes. I got a 1.3% interest rate so that I could make some repairs and paint my house. My friend got a 100k loan from them to do a gut rehad in Ohio City. I don't know if they have a "research" arm, but they've helped a lot of homes in the near west side.
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