^ Wonderful! 
When I lived in Miami, I went a few times to the Gold Coast Railway Museum, out near the zoo. They have a California Zephyr dome car there and even though it is a late streamline era model (late 40s IIRC) I could spend hours in it just enjoying it’s splendor. Would loved to have seen one of these original, minimalist streamline trains in action back in the day. 

1 hour ago, mrnyc said:

 

 

the mercury in cle

 

 

 

 

edit -- not cle, but check out a deco mercury going right down the street in syracuse in 1936 -- isn't that wild?

 

 

For all of those in opposition to street level transit - can you tell me how many people died from this? 

5 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

For all of those in opposition to street level transit - can you tell me how many people died from this? 

 

the answer is 42.

 

per the hitchhikers guide.

18 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

For all of those in opposition to street level transit - can you tell me how many people died from this? 

 

There are still a few thoroughfares with secondary railroad lines running down the middle of them. But Syracuse had the passenger line of the Chicago-New York City mainline of the New York Central RR, the nation's second-largest railroad with 60 passenger trains a day, running down the middle of the street. The freight tracks passed north of town, also used by Amtrak today. It wasn't until 1936 when NYCRR built an elevated passenger line through town along with a new train station (now used for Interstate 690's right of way). The only comparable I can think of it is the Chicago-New York City mainline of the Pennsylvania RR, the nation's largest railroad, running down the middle of 5th Avenue in New Brighton, PA. Those tracks were used by freight and passenger trains, totaling more than 100 trains daily. New Brighton's street-running lasted until 1926 when PRR built a fast, grade-separated bypass along the Beaver River.

1 hour ago, KJP said:

 

There are still a few thoroughfares with secondary railroad lines running down the middle of them. But Syracuse had the passenger line of the Chicago-New York City mainline of the New York Central RR, the nation's second-largest railroad with 60 passenger trains a day, running down the middle of the street. The freight tracks passed north of town, also used by Amtrak today. It wasn't until 1936 when NYCRR built an elevated passenger line through town along with a new train station (now used for Interstate 690's right of way). The only comparable I can think of it is the Chicago-New York City mainline of the Pennsylvania RR, the nation's largest railroad, running down the middle of 5th Avenue in New Brighton, PA. Those tracks were used by freight and passenger trains, totaling more than 100 trains daily. New Brighton's street-running lasted until 1926 when PRR built a fast, grade-separated bypass along the Beaver River.

 

What other cities still have this? 

Out here in Salem, OR there is a freight line that is used 2-3 times per day that runs down the middle of a street, it is pretty intimidating when you are driving to say the least!

 

Front Street Train - Salem, OR

6 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

What other cities still have this? 

 

A lot (but not many mainlines any more).....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_running

This qualifies as a series of historical photos shown in rapid succession 

 

On 3/1/2021 at 11:04 PM, KJP said:

 

 

 

Those passengers are like "Nyah, see, there'd be a lot more room on the train if we didn't have to wear these big hats any time we are in public, see?"

On 3/3/2021 at 7:50 PM, OH_Really said:

This qualifies as a series of historical photos shown in rapid succession 

 

 

 

welcome!

 

i had just posted that on the previous page -- it looks like somebody just put it up on youtube in september.

 

the aerials that start at 9:45 really dropped by jaw -- that intact warehouse district, not to mention how intact and dense all the rest was -- just wow.

Does anyone know what building the Cleveland stock exchange use to exist in?

27 minutes ago, Eastside said:

Does anyone know what building the Cleveland stock exchange use to exist in?

 

 

yes, it was in the williamson building on public square.

 

 

Horse-drawn wagons and pedestrians fill the streets in this image of the Williamson Building on Public Square, ca. 1910. Courtesy of the Plain Dealer.

 

 

The Williamson Bldg. was built for the Williamson Co., which was headed by H. Clark Ford. The building was designed by GEORGE B. POST AND SONS in a classical style, and the structural steel work was done by the Van Dorn Co. The building featured a grand arched entrance (later altered), a semi-circular lobby with floors and walls of marble, and bronze elevator doors and surrounds. Some of the city's leading professional men and businesses occupied the building. Among the tenants were the Cleveland Trust Co., the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK of Cleveland, the Cleveland Stock Exchange, the Cleveland Advertising Club, and the Cleveland Real Estate Board. David Knight Ford, son of H. Clark Ford, had offices in the building from 1921 to 1982. In 1944 the Williamson Co. acquired the adjacent Cuyahoga Bldg. and the two were joined on the interior. They were demolished in Oct. 1982 for a new headquarters building for Sohio (see BP AMERICA).

 

https://case.edu/ech/articles/w/williamson-building

 

 

another interesting blurb about it:

 

The Cleveland Stock Exchange was organized in 1899 by Cleveland, Ohio, financiers Herbert Wright, W.H. Lamprecht, and R. H. York, and began operations on April 16, 1900. After the crash of 1929, the market never regained its pre-Depression value, and after fluctuating throughout World War II, it reached a post-crash high in 1946. In the late 1930s the exchange, registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission, sold odd lots and unlisted securities, and permitted incorporatd brokerages to purchase seats which had previously only been sold to individual brokers. The Cleveland Bourse, as it was commonly known, offered stocks and bonds primarily from local corporations engaged in manufacturing, refining and the rubber industry. Many of the men on the Exchange served in World War II, allowing women to assume responsibility as board markers, chief clerk, and traders. After a decline in yearly activity and the improvement of communications technology, the Cleveland Stock Exchange was replaced by the Chicago-based Midwest Stock Exchange on December 1, 1948. Thereafter, trading was moved to the Midwest's main floor in Chicago while a branch office was maintained in Cleveland until 1966. The collection consists of annual reports, daily sales registers, account ledgers, dividend records, and scrapbooks. The dividend records of corporations participating in the Exchange include Eaton Manufacturing Company, Dow Chemical Company, Firestone Tire and Rubber Company, Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company, General Tire and Rubber Company, Glidden Company, Halle Brothers Company, Otis Steel Company, Packer Corporation, Peerless Motor Car Corporation, Standard Oil of Ohio (and New Jersey), Stouffer Corporation, Thompson Products Incorporated, Timken Roller Bearing Company, United States Steel Corporation, Vlchek Tool Company, and White Motor Company.

i think i posted about this in the past, not sure, but anyway,

boingboing & wiki will get you started -- have fun going down the internets rabbit hole  😂

 

 

 

 

Cleveland death ray of 1934

CORY DOCTOROW  2:44 AM SUN JAN 27, 2008

 

Whatever became of the Cleveland death ray that Modern Mechanix reported on in the September, 1934?

Suppressed by the gubmint!

 

 

 

 

REPORTED to have tremendous military possibilities, a successful death ray machine is said to have been invented, after lengthy experiments, by a Cleveland scientist.

 

A partial description of the machine's construction and operating principles was recently offered at a session of the National Inventors' Congress at Omaha, Nebraska.

 

Privileged witnesses to demonstrations of the machine declared that experiments were successful to a startling degree. Dogs, cats and rabbits were killed instantly, their blood turning to water as the ray was turned upon them. It is reported that the machine has been suppressed by the government until such time as it may be needed as a defensive weapon.

 

https://boingboing.net/2008/01/27/cleveland-death-ray.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Longoria

 

6 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

 

 

OMG - that dip in the street for the subway 

 

Cleveland harbor 1963, pier 24 was the old Pennsylvania railroad,Coal loader. Which loaded lake boats to take coal to northwestern destinations. And Canada. Torn down I believe in the late 80s. Fred Bultman photo

Edited April 2, 20214 yr by bigbrian24

Here is an up close view of dock 24. Mid 50’s Fred Bultman photo

Edited April 2, 20214 yr by bigbrian24

Nypano, Erie railroad ore docks on the old channel of the cuyahoga river. 1950’s.  Fred Bultman photo

Columbus rd. Lift bridge along with current RTA bridge,ex Cleveland union terminal. Above the cuyahoga river. Also an CUT road locomotive crossing the bridge high above. 1950’s. Fred Bultman photo

The foundry rowing club is now located in the brick buildings directly behind the laker in this pic. Fred Bultman photo 1950’s

End of the shipping season 1954. Ship is rounding collision bend. Eagle ave lift bridge just ahead of the laker. Sherwin Williams original headquarter buildings on Canal rd. At bottom of pic. Photographer unknown. Originally appeared in a may 1955 Pittsburgh newspaper.

Another view of the Erie railroad ore docks. 1950’s. Fred Bultman photo

Pennsylvania railroad station East 55th and Euclid ave. 1950’s. Unknown photographer 

Original union station on the lakefront, only operated by the Pennsylvania railroad in its later years after Cleveland union terminal opened in 1930. This is called the bowl nowadays, automobile parking. Closed in 1953 and demolished late 50’s.

This is where the RTA waterfront rail line runs now. But originally was the big four railroad route. First railroad built in Cleveland. Penncentral railroad at this time which was in bankruptcy. Biggest corporate failure in 1970 up to that time. Eventually became Conrail in 1976 which merged 6 bankrupt northeast railroads in to one carrier. Bad times for railroads back then. Second pic is a New York central switcher in basically the same spot but looking north toward the lake. In the late 50’s. Before merger with Pennsylvania RR. To become Penncentral RR. Which turned out to be a disaster.

Edited April 2, 20214 yr by bigbrian24

Red arrow is the Cuyahoga scenic valley steam engine and train which originally operated out of the Baltimore & Ohio railroad yards on west 3rd and Quigley rds. The blue arrow was originally J&l steel works hot strip mills. Now steelyard commons. The yellow arrow is the basic oxygen furnace of j&l steel  . Then LTV née arcelormittal. Now Cleveland-Cliffs integrated.

This is the Erie Lackawanna  railroad which ran down to the old riverbed to their ore docks. They are taking empty hoppers to be loaded back to the docks which they stored at literary st. Yard. Or in North Randall yard  which was an ore storage yard. The red arrow is the intersection of Columbus rd. And riverbed rd. Riverbed, is next to the train,which is no longer open these days. Above on the bridge is an original Pullman Standard bluebird rail car built for Cleveland transit system,before it became RTA in the 70’s.   The EL rr. Was one of the bankrupt railroads formed into Conrail in 1976. This pic is from the early 1960’s. Unknown photographer 

Edited April 2, 20214 yr by bigbrian24

Erie railroad coal dumper loading a laker 1940’s.Torn down late 1950’s. Riverbed rd. Is next to the tracks. Unknown photographer.

Edited April 2, 20214 yr by bigbrian24

3 hours ago, bigbrian24 said:

End of the shipping season 1954. Ship is rounding collision bend. Eagle ave lift bridge just ahead of the laker. Sherwin Williams original headquarter buildings on Canal rd. At bottom of pic. Photographer unknown. Originally appeared in a may 1955 Pittsburgh newspaper.

 

Such a shame.  Imagine all those buildings as converted lofts right on the river.... 

Outstanding additions to this thread @bigbrian24 Thanks!

35 minutes ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

Outstanding additions to this thread @bigbrian24 Thanks!

No problem👍

Incredible interior. Only the tower remains from a 1970s fire.

 

Someone should do something with that tower.

 

Baltimore & Ohio railroad Jack knife bridge ,single track brand new 1956 on the right. Built by American Bridge Co. unpainted. Double track Rolling lift bridge on left built 1906,demolished soon after the new bridge went into service. Reason the new bridge was built, to make the river wider for the shipping industry. Lake boats were being made longer. Narrow opening was hard to navigate thru. Fred Bultman photo.

Cleveland’s original “Crocker.”

 

Crocker Block in 1899 (345 Superior Ave)

 

 

https://cplorg.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p4014coll18/id/1577/

Edited May 9, 20214 yr by MuRrAy HiLL

On 5/13/2018 at 1:39 PM, Dougal said:

In 1917, back when men were men and steam shovels were cheap, there was a plan to straighten out the Cuyahoga (crooked in the Mohawk language) River. Imagine the hoo-ha if this were proposed today.

 

 

Years ago, there was talk of doing something to straighten the river.  I  believe the plan was to cut a channel thru the area indicated below.  I assume it is too late to do that now.  Or is it?

Edited May 14, 20214 yr by skiwest

I posted a reply here.....

 

 

And famous photographer of and from Cleveland 

 

 

An advertisement from January 1929. Detroit to Cleveland - the train took about 3 hours.

 

Thompson was a predecessor of American Airlines.

 

 

 

 

View down Euclid Avenue from the Kodachrome Forever Facebook page, 1953/04 © Harold Mayer Collection -from University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee

Great photo. I’ll never get over how filthy the buildings in industrial cities were. They pretty much all looked like this well into the 80s. 

I remember Mills cafeteria.  My mom used to take us there sometimes when we went downtown.

When Doan Brook still flowed next to Case campus —1937.

 

 

 

Edited May 23, 20214 yr by MuRrAy HiLL

Republic Steel, 1947

 

I’m not sure if this has been posted before but I ran across this 1973 aerial photo of downtown Cleveland.

Edited June 19, 20213 yr by WagHills

Warehouse District, looking east on St. Clair Avenue from West 9th in 1986.

Penn central rr. Riverbed yard. 1974.  Not my photo

Bridge #1 of the New York Central RR. Being built at the mouth of the Cuyahoga river. Original crossing swing bridge behind the new bridge. Late 50s. Fred Bultman photo