November 29, 20213 yr East Cleveland station for the Nickel Plate. And New York Central railroads. Being pulled by a Cleveland Union Terminal P1a electric locomotive.
November 29, 20213 yr Interlocking tower near the lakefront where the flats east bank is now. Edited November 29, 20213 yr by bigbrian24
November 29, 20213 yr Woodland,East 55th,Kinsman ave. Intersection. 1940s streetcar is on the 55th line. Edited November 29, 20213 yr by bigbrian24
November 29, 20213 yr Nickel plate passenger train East Cleveland station. 1950s Edited November 29, 20213 yr by bigbrian24
November 29, 20213 yr 39 minutes ago, Cleburger said: Do you have anything of the former NY Central yard east of W 110th between Clifton and Detroit? No, I’m pretty sure that was the Nickel plate road your thinking of.
November 29, 20213 yr Edited November 29, 20213 yr by bigbrian24 Bottom pic is inside a P1a electric locomotive.
November 30, 20213 yr 2 hours ago, bigbrian24 said: No, I’m pretty sure that was the Nickel plate road your thinking of. Yes you are correct re Nickel Plate. I just saw "New York" on the historic map and misspoke.
November 30, 20213 yr the people mover era 1976 https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/798#&gid=1&pid=1
November 30, 20213 yr EDIT: I learned more about the R.R.R.R. It initially ran from W58th Street (then called Waverly) and Bridge Avenue in Cleveland to Summit Avenue (now Lakewood, Rocky River then) with stops at several resorts on the lake. Eventually its western terminal was on Sloane Avenue at Edanola, the eastern side of the Rocky River. In 1891 the Nickel Plate bought the right of way and extended it to Chicago. Pretty ambitious schedule for 1868. Edited December 1, 20213 yr by Dougal Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
December 6, 20213 yr On 11/29/2021 at 4:50 PM, bigbrian24 said: Interlocking tower near the lakefront where the flats east bank is now. Edited December 7, 20213 yr by bigbrian24
December 9, 20213 yr Omni International Hotel https://www.independencedemolition.com/projects/omni-international-hotel-demolition Edited December 10, 20213 yr by sizzlinbeef
December 9, 20213 yr On 12/4/2021 at 7:10 AM, MyTwoSense said: Diamond Jim's! See that brought back some memories! I saw a truncated picture of their sign not long ago I read as "Diamonds". I'm sure that misread says something....
December 12, 20213 yr Plans for the Sears and Roebuck on E. 86th and Carnegie, from April 1928 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 12, 20213 yr As we moan about our car culture and the resulting US urban design which supports this mindset, and while people like us try to promote design to overcome it and encourage walkability, the above posting is a perfect example why the task is so difficult. It has been entrenched in our culture going on 100 years. While the Sears was built to the sidewalk on Carnegie, apparently a surface parking lot was built to support the building on of all streets Euclid.
December 12, 20213 yr On 12/9/2021 at 10:48 AM, mrnyc said: pre-clean water act! Why is the river so orange? Is that rust or just issues with the film or something else? Its a pretty solid orange! Image must be from '64 or later--you can see the Erieview Plaza Bldg which opened in '64.
December 13, 20213 yr @Pugu It's from pickling acid used in the steel mills. Meanwhile, 200 years ago, this is what the top of the hill on West 9th Street (then-called Water Street) looked like. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 13, 20213 yr I used to work with pickling acid at my previous job. The fact that they were dumping that untreated into the river is the most insane thing ever. That stuff is so toxic
December 13, 20213 yr On 11/29/2021 at 6:01 PM, bigbrian24 said: I can't find the exact shot I'm thinking of, but this really reminds me of some shots I've seen of Buffalo Central Terminal after they moved their passenger traffic out. FWIW this one kind of looks like a CVNP train 👀
December 13, 20213 yr On 11/29/2021 at 1:43 AM, bigbrian24 said: Harvard Denison rd. Viaduct original bridge built 1910. Replaced in 1978. Harshaw chemical bottom right of pic. Processed uranium for the government for atom bombs from the 1940s to the 1960s. Very cool, I was biking around down around the old Harshaw Site last weekend and BASF has it buttoned up real good (spooked a coyote into the site though!). Shocking in this is how wide the sidewalk was and how much pedestrian access they built in (check out that stairwell!). Also the guardrail design lol. Really neat pic. Also to answer your question from before about the Central Furnace Bridge, but it appears? it still exists off of Independence Road (but I could be looking at a totally different area). Seems right though.
December 13, 20213 yr 6 minutes ago, GISguy said: I can't find the exact shot I'm thinking of, but this really reminds me of some shots I've seen of Buffalo Central Terminal after they moved their passenger traffic out. FWIW this one kind of looks like a CVNP train 👀 That's the Erie-Lackawanna commuter train to Youngstown via stops at East 55th, East 131st/Miles, North Randall, Solon, Geauga Lake, Aurora, Mantua, Hiram-Jeddoe, Garrettsville, Leavittsburg, Warren, Niles and Girard. But the train ran pretty empty east of Aurora but the railyard/servicing/support facilities were at Brier Hill Yard between Girard and Youngstown. It was the last train service in/out of Cleveland Union Terminal, which came to an end Jan. 14, 1977. I was a year older then than my 8 1/2-year-old son is now. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 13, 20213 yr public housing valleyview homes estates 1940-2014 https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/104
December 13, 20213 yr public housing outhwaite homes 1935 rent was $4.78 when it opened https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/11
December 13, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, mrnyc said: public housing outhwaite homes 1935 rent was $4.78 when it opened https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/11
December 15, 20213 yr On 12/13/2021 at 3:52 PM, GISguy said: My Ex Skank-in-Law grew up in Outhwaite. This project was scandalous back in the day!
December 15, 20213 yr 9 hours ago, MyTwoSense said: My Ex Skank-in-Law grew up in Outhwaite. This project was scandalous back in the day! I have a nice scar on my leg from a softball game at Outhwaite. I "found" a broken beer bottle in the outfield grass!
December 16, 20213 yr 13 hours ago, Cleburger said: I have a nice scar on my leg from a softball game at Outhwaite. I "found" a broken beer bottle in the outfield grass! That sounds nasteeeee
December 16, 20213 yr BTW, that's the Amtrak Lake Shore that ran from May 15, 1971 to January of 1972. It served CUT early on but later backed in/out of the Big Four to serve a temporary station platform at Settlers Landing. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 16, 20213 yr Spent some time trying to dig up a blog I found about Key Tower and it's design elements (I couldn't find it for the life of me) - maybe folks know what I'm talking about? It was like an architecture student (maybe someone on here lol) talking about the design looking like glass at certain times of day, the lobby being kind of drab for what an impressive outside it has/afterthought, etc. etc. man, idk where it went. If anyone knows what I'm talking about please send it over haha Either way in the search I came across photos from Whitacre Rebar during their work on Society/Key:
December 16, 20213 yr Cool! BTW, it looks like the Republic Steel mill on Scranton Peninsula had been demolished just in the prior year or two. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 18, 20213 yr Picked up a book from Visible Voice bookstore in Tremont called "On the Grow With Cleveland". It was published in 1965 as part of the celebration of Central National Bank's 75th anniversary. Apologies for the photo quality as I don't have a scanner, but thought there were some neat shots. View from West Ninth and Superior, looking east on Superior. View from top of Society for Savings building, looking south on Ontario. When the Rockefeller Building had the CNB signage. Inside of the banking lobby of the Rockefeller Building Rockefeller Building banking lobby View of Cleveland, looking east from top of the Rockefeller Building. View of Cleveland, looking southeast from top of the Rockefeller Building. Drawing of Superior Viaduct. View of 308 Euclid (now demolished, currently site of the House of Blues) These are what really prompted my buying the book - I'd never seen interior views of 308 Euclid. Aerial view of downtown. One thing I noticed - there's some sort of structure on Mall A - anyone have any insight there? See what used to be on the Scranton Peninsula? Main Avenue bridge under construction. CNB's headquarters on Euclid, currently the site of the Beacon apartment tower. Aerial view - taken around 1959ish, as the East Ohio Gas Building (Residences at 1717) is visible on the left. Interior of the Midland Building (Landmark Office Towers) Aerial view of the east side of downtown and the Innerbelt Rendering of I.M. Pei's Erieview plan clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
December 18, 20213 yr Thanks @MayDay Fascinating. I was not familiar with 308 Euclid. What a huge lose. On par with losing the Williamson and Cuyahoga Buildings across the street. I would love to see a modern day Euclid Avenue sporting a renovated 308 to give some height to that side of the street. Also...all that parking around CSU. We have been fighting the surface parking lot battle for years.
December 18, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, buckeye1 said: Truly a blast from the past 😆 clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
December 20, 20213 yr I don't know what that surviving building is on the malls @MayDay, but here is a photo from 100 years ago that shows more of the buildings that were demolished for the malls... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 20, 20213 yr 40 minutes ago, KJP said: I don't know what that surviving building is on the malls @MayDay, but here is a photo from 100 years ago that shows more of the buildings that were demolished for the malls... Looks like Music Hall construction is beginning as well.
December 20, 20213 yr ^Honestly of all of the historic losses in Cleveland, from the looks of this photo, the area where the malls are now was not much of a loss. Just a ton of squat rag tag homes and garages that I can't believe made it that long without being replaced by grander structures!
December 20, 20213 yr On 12/18/2021 at 11:24 AM, MayDay said: Aerial view of downtown. One thing I noticed - there's some sort of structure on Mall A - anyone have any insight there? My best guess is the J.B. Savage Printing Company (1395 East 3rd Street, Cleveland, OH) aka Wood St. Here is a close up view. SOURCE: https://en.phorio.com/file/865772455/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also interesting to note, Case School of Applied Science was on Rockwell from 1881-1885 before it was moved to University Circle. https://case.edu/its/archives/downtown/case.htm Edited December 20, 20213 yr by MuRrAy HiLL
December 23, 20213 yr I love the way the Woodland, East 55th and Kinsman looked before the automobile era. These are from the waning years of that era. The Union Trust Bank was torn down after the financial collapse at the start of the Great Depression and the infamous SOHIO gas station went up a few years later. Nothing of the developed, walkable, transit-oriented environment remains at this intersection. Looking southeast on Kinsman.... Close-up of the facade of the bank demolished for the gas station in the 1930s Wide view from the previous shot. Looking east on Woodland. Kinsman streetcar tracks veer off to the right.... Looking north up East 55th in the 1940s. Now THAT is a vibrant urban setting, minus the gas station.... Looking east on Woodland toward the 5-way intersection of Woodland, East 55th and Kinsman. East 55th was the city's busiest streetcar line that didn't go downtown. It carried more people than Cleveland's entire rapid transit system does today (pre-pandemic).... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 4, 20223 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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