april 27, 1952 ads in the pd for the clubs in 'cleveland's harlem'

 

this was before the leo's casino era --

 

1 hour ago, mrnyc said:

april 27, 1952 ads in the pd for the clubs in 'cleveland's harlem'

 

this was before the leo's casino era --

 

I think Chin's is the only place still standing.

Edited November 3, 20222 yr by gruver

 

This week in Cleveland history...Western Reserve Red Cats defeat West Virginia at League Park to keep their 22 game win streak going:

 

Found on Facebook. 

 

 

On 11/16/2022 at 1:20 AM, MuRrAy HiLL said:

 

Does anyone know what the wall-looking structure as captured in this screenshot from the video is?     It was from the view looking east from the hotel. 

 

 

I've always been intriqued by the old neighborhood movie theaters in Cleveland. So many have been razed, and yet many are still standing. Most have been converted into churches and it's those whose auditoriums are still standing.

I've compiled before/after comparisons along with names and addresses

Edited November 29, 20222 yr by Barneyboy

That was awesome.

On 11/28/2022 at 2:11 PM, Barneyboy said:

I've always been intriqued by the old neighborhood movie theaters in Cleveland. So many have been razed, and yet many are still standing. Most have been converted into churches and it's those whose auditoriums are still standing.

I've compiled before/after comparisons along with names and addresses

 

This is great - and you actually forgot one (which is just barely in Cleveland proper):

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4187466,-81.7292349,3a,75y,320.11h,88.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svGDFBqPbl8gL7xJZCjupRA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

 

On 11/19/2022 at 9:34 PM, Cleburger said:

Does anyone know what the wall-looking structure as captured in this screenshot from the video is?     It was from the view looking east from the hotel. 

 

 

 

Bumping this, because I desperately need to know. 

41 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

Bumping this, because I desperately need to know. 

 

I am also intrigued and confused by this.  The earliest map I could find was 1886 Sanborn Fire Insurance https://cplorg.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p4014coll24/id/876/rec/1

 

Maybe its this "Carpet Ware Room" in the pic I'm attaching (north is to the left) and the series of arches is a decorative element on its roof?  The perspective in the picture from the video is confusing to me - I can't tell how far in the background the arcade is.

^ I spent most of my lunch hour yesterday doing the same! And that’s the same conclusion I came to. I don’t see what else it could be.  

55 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said:

^ I spent most of my lunch hour yesterday doing the same! And that’s the same conclusion I came to. I don’t see what else it could be.  

 

So it looks like an armory of some sort. Was there ever a centralized armory Downtown other than Grey's? It would've made sense 1861-1920. 

19 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

So it looks like an armory of some sort. Was there ever a centralized armory Downtown other than Grey's? It would've made sense 1861-1920. 

The Central Armory was located where the Federal Building is now at East 9th and Lakeside. 

18 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

So it looks like an armory of some sort. Was there ever a centralized armory Downtown other than Grey's? It would've made sense 1861-1920. 

 

There was one at Lakeside and E6th - torn down  (in 1962?) to make way for the Federal Building. I was working in the Bailiff Department at City Hall and got to watch the demo. 

7 hours ago, Dougal said:

 

There was one at Lakeside and E6th - torn down  (in 1962?) to make way for the Federal Building. I was working in the Bailiff Department at City Hall and got to watch the demo. 

Maybe an early jail? This is quickly becoming an obsession for me

I think I figured it out.  A Sanborn 1896 map lists this location as Sterling Welch Carpets.   

 

 

 

Sterling, Welch & Co. led me to this book digitized by the Cleveland Public Library, "Famous old Euclid Avenue of Cleveland, vol. 2": https://www.jstor.org/stable/community.32526499?searchText=sterling+welch&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Dsterling%2Bwelch%26scope%3DeyJpZCI6ICIxMDAzOTAxNzEiLCAicGFnZU5hbWUiOiAiQ2xldmVsYW5kIEhpc3RvcnkgQm9va3MgYW5kIERvY3VtZW50cyIsICJwYWdlVXJsIjogIi9zaXRlL2NwbC9jbGV2ZWxhbmQtaGlzdG9yeS8iLCAidHlwZSI6ICJjb2xsZWN0aW9uIiwgInBvcnRhbE5hbWUiOiAiQ2xldmVsYW5kIFB1YmxpYyBMaWJyYXJ5IiwgInBvcnRhbFVybCI6ICIvc2l0ZS9jcGwvIn0%3D&ab_segments=0%2FSYC-6646_basic_search%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3Adabc319bd1765fa2c3a1694e904795df&seq=62#metadata_info_tab_contents

 

It has a 3 page biography of Fred Sterling, explaining that in 1874 the carpet business "moved from Superior Street to Euclid Avenue into what had been an immense ice and roller rink, where they sold carpets, curtains and draperies.  It was in this building that the famous Kermis was held as well as many high school commencements."

 

So apparently the big vaulted building in the video was built as a ice/roller rink, then taken over by a carpet company.  I don't know what the "famous Kermis" is in the above quote, other than that a kermis is "a summer fair held in towns and villages in the Netherlands."  Sterling Welch & Co. would go on to be the Sterling-Linder department store, and eventually moved down Euclid Avenue.

 

And here's the interior:

 

From this book:  https://www.jstor.org/stable/community.32526480?searchText=sterling+welch&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Dsterling%2Bwelch%26scope%3DeyJpZCI6ICIxMDAzOTAxNzEiLCAicGFnZU5hbWUiOiAiQ2xldmVsYW5kIEhpc3RvcnkgQm9va3MgYW5kIERvY3VtZW50cyIsICJwYWdlVXJsIjogIi9zaXRlL2NwbC9jbGV2ZWxhbmQtaGlzdG9yeS8iLCAidHlwZSI6ICJjb2xsZWN0aW9uIiwgInBvcnRhbE5hbWUiOiAiQ2xldmVsYW5kIFB1YmxpYyBMaWJyYXJ5IiwgInBvcnRhbFVybCI6ICIvc2l0ZS9jcGwvIn0%3D&ab_segments=0%2FSYC-6646_basic_search%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3Adabc319bd1765fa2c3a1694e904795df&seq=48#metadata_info_tab_contents

 

Fantastic sleuthing @ryanfrazier! Sterling work ;)

54 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said:

Fantastic sleuthing @ryanfrazier! Sterling work ;)

 

Thanks!

Really, really impressive investigation!

Nice job!!

Does anyone have any good photos of CUT or Tower City before it's renovations when "long pedestrian ramps descended from the Public Square entrance into the station." I'm too young to remember this. 

This site has some old photos of CUT.  Ramp photos are on page 11.

 

https://www.historic-structures.com/oh/cleveland/union_terminal1.php

51 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

This site has some old photos of CUT.  Ramp photos are on page 11.

 

https://www.historic-structures.com/oh/cleveland/union_terminal1.php

Thanks! I've probably wondered over 100 times why that section of the roof slopes downward! It hindsight it all seems pretty obvious. 

 

January 1979, Amtrak southbound over the Clark branch. Carter rd is the green bridge. The state building is behind the train nearing the end of construction. (The black building)Photo by James Marcus 

July 1972 ,B&O railroad crossing bridge 473 heading northbound to the lake. The old powerhouse is to the left. James Marcus photo

Edited December 13, 20222 yr by bigbrian24

1979 , Eric Hirsimaki photo

1982

October 1977, James Marcus photo

Penn central wreck at bridge 1 , 1974. James Marcus photo 

49 minutes ago, bigbrian24 said:

1982

Woudl love to hear some backstory on these--and this one in particular.   Where did this line lead?  

On 12/13/2022 at 4:46 PM, bigbrian24 said:

January 1979, Amtrak southbound over the Clark branch. Carter rd is the green bridge. The state building is behind the train nearing the end of construction. (The black building)Photo by James Marcus 

 

There must have been a serious problem with the Chicago Line somewhere between downtown and Berea for this to happen. This was the regular route of Amtrak's first Lake Shore after Amtrak decided to stop using CUT. That train ran May 1971-Jan 1972.

 

On 12/13/2022 at 6:00 PM, Cleburger said:

Woudl love to hear some backstory on these--and this one in particular.   Where did this line lead?  

 

From Whiskey Island to Akron, Canton and some dink town south of Canton that produced coal for Cleveland's industries and homes. The Independence-Akron portion is currently owned by the National Park Service and used by the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad. 

On 12/26/2022 at 5:14 AM, KJP said:

From Whiskey Island to Akron, Canton and some dink town south of Canton that produced coal for Cleveland's industries and homes. The Independence-Akron portion is currently owned by the National Park Service and used by the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad. 

It appears to be a passenger train.    Which one was this?  

did they use cops for bouncers in these days?  😬

 

jimi hendrix at public hall 1968

 

 

^ Great picture. It’s my understanding that back then cops were not being bouncers, but would simply turn up and act as cops at shows. There was a lot of concern about illegal/ immoral behavior during the ‘free love’ era. There’s loads of video of Doors, Stooges etc shows where cops were trying to police the events right down to what happened on the stage. 

^ ahh i see. morality policing!

 

btw — lo and behold, but there is a bootleg of this show!

 

edit — trivia — they played two shows that day. not sure which this was. also, mr spock leonard nimoy himself was at this show and hung out with the band afterward. jimi was trippin on that no doubt lol.

 

 

3/26/1968

setlist

1. Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 2. Fire 3. I Don't Live Today 4. Red House 5. Foxy Lady 6. Spanish Castle Magic 7. Manic Depression 8. Purple Haze 9. Wild Thing

 

 

Edited January 3, 20232 yr by mrnyc

On 12/30/2022 at 10:01 PM, roman totale XVII said:

^ Great picture. It’s my understanding that back then cops were not being bouncers, but would simply turn up and act as cops at shows. There was a lot of concern about illegal/ immoral behavior during the ‘free love’ era. There’s loads of video of Doors, Stooges etc shows where cops were trying to police the events right down to what happened on the stage. 

 

I'm convinced that the mid 70s through late 80s was the best time (so far) in history to be a teen or young adult.   Moral policing was largely a thing of the past, "political correctness" was barely on the radar.

On 12/27/2022 at 7:40 AM, Cleburger said:

It appears to be a passenger train.    Which one was this?  

 

No regular passenger service ever used this Baltimore & Ohio RR line north of the depot at Carter/Canal roads, and north of the switchback connection to CUT below the food terminal/post office after the early 1930s. All B&O passenger service to Cleveland was ended in 1962.

 

This looks like a company inspection train. Each year, railroad executives roll out the executive inspection train to ride their system, sometimes with shippers, government officials and/or major shareholders, etc. After their trips, it is often followed by various infrastructure improvements. But not back then. Railroad depots, old signal towers, unneeded siding tracks, etc.  would often be removed within a year after these trips. Sometimes the lines themselves would disappear. And that's what happened to this portion of the line within the year.

 

Incredible footage.

E 37th st. RTA station, I-77 kingsbury run bridge being built in the background.

5 hours ago, bigbrian24 said:

E 37th st. RTA station, I-77 kingsbury run bridge being built in the background.

 

There was a station at E 37th before the E.34 "Campus" (not exactly) dual height platform was built?

5 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

There was a station at E 37th before the E.34 "Campus" (not exactly) dual height platform was built?

 

Same station, different names. The high-level platform was added to the existing low-level platform for the Shaker Heights Rapid Transit station in 1955 for the new CTS Rapid.

Yesterday:

 

Yesterday:
 

This is actually heartbreaking to read in a way.

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Photo from Wezler Studios (from freshwater cleveland)…Short Vincent and E. 9th:

 

 

On 6/6/2015 at 1:39 PM, mrnyc said:

here are a bunch of pictures i rounded up re the 1944 east ohio gas tank farm explosion, which devastated one of cleveland's jewish neighborhoods:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_East_Ohio_Gas_explosion

Before my time, but my mom remembers it.  She was working at White Motors at the time and felt the heat from the explosion. Her cousin's husband, who was employed by EOG, died in the blast. His body was never recovered.

Follow up from above: