8 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

 

This photo taken in 1963 shows the Spitzer-Dempsey House to the left of the Gentsch House at 2826 Franklin Boulevard. The Gentsch House, originally the home of a Cleveland physician, was converted into a bar in the 1930s. It was the Circle Bar at the time this photo was taken, but later became Ohio City's popular Scrooge and Marley's in the 1970s and 1980s. | Source: Cleveland Public Library, Photograph Collection

 

 

 

good news -- it's next to the dexter apts and it looks way better today -- 👍 

 

https://maps.app.goo.gl/QenFUQ3EnbHiqddj7

 

My Great Uncle Jimmy was a beat cop in Ohio City from the 60s-90s... he told me not a week would go by where they wouldn't find a body in the Jay Motel or a WWE style brawl outside of Scrooge and Marley's 

1 hour ago, mrnyc said:

 

the williamson building goes up 1899 ...

 

 

... and the cuyahoga & williamson buildings come down -- oct 1982

 

What's interesting about Public Square is, especially how it was originally designed, the original buildings on the Jacobs lot and the 200 PS were a better fit than what ultimately replaced them. The more DC like building height with traditional ground floor retail would have made for a much better square.  

1970 aerial —

 

 

typical day 1970s

 

 

 

here is a long blog post from somebody who grew up in east cle area in the 1940s & 50s and what that was like:

 

https://eastclevelandhistory.blogspot.com/2012/08/my-east-cleveland-neighborhood-how-we.html?m=1

Where was the rapid cars picture taken, do you think?

36 minutes ago, gruver said:

Where was the rapid cars picture taken, do you think?

Looks like E55th. 

Historic photos are always fascinating! It's amazing to see how much the city has evolved over the years.
Thanks for sharing this glimpse into the past!

Site of Saucy Brew Works.

Going through some old things and came across a “SOHIO Guide to Greater Cleveland” map book. The front and back feature an aerial view  above the Warehouse District looking to the southeast. It appears to be an image with certain artistic modifications (notice the Park Building and Higbee portion of the Terminal Complex), but the overall density is what stands out. My estimate puts the image at 1947, the biggest tell being the building where the 55 Public Square Illuminating Company HQ is built in the 1950’s is still there. Any other thoughts on date?

Edited September 28, 2024Sep 28 by w28th

women's rights 1970s --

 

east ninth & euclid

 

 

 

Erected in on the south side of Superior Avenue near Bond (East Sixth) Street in 1905 by Ralph King, a large downtown real estate developer and arts patron, the building was designed to be a temporary structure until a skyscraper could be designed and built on the site. The Cleveland Leader newspaper, and other tenants, occupied the building from 1905 until 1912, when it was torn down and the new 14-story Leader Building constructed. This photo was taken in circa 1905. | Creator: Cleveland Public Library, Digital Gallery

 

a really great early 1900s pre-terminal tower angle view of some of the warehouse district  -- and site of the sw tower today

 

 

8 hours ago, mrnyc said:

a really great early 1900s pre-terminal tower angle view of some of the warehouse district  -- and site of the sw tower today

 

 

You sure? Wouldn't SW be to the left of the bottom of this photo?

@TheCOV You're absolutely right - the street grid was redone but the buildings in the right foreground are where the Hotel Cleveland (Renaissance) and ballroom structure currently stand. Sherwin Williams tower would be to the left, off the edge of this photo.

23 hours ago, mrnyc said:

a really great early 1900s pre-terminal tower angle view of some of the warehouse district  -- and site of the sw tower today

 

 

I would love to be able to take a time machine to Gilded Age era Cleveland and stroll the streets, observe the caste system of that day, and look at all the ways the cities demographics were building the foundation for what the city would become. 

 

And obviously ride the trolley cars. 

17 hours ago, mrnyc said:

women's rights 1970s --

 

 

I think the woman on the left was a friend of my mom's when she volunteered at WomenSpace, but I disremember her name.

On 9/27/2024 at 8:16 PM, w28th said:

Going through some old things and came across a “SOHIO Guide to Greater Cleveland” map book. The front and back feature an aerial view  above the Warehouse District looking to the southeast. It appears to be an image with certain artistic modifications (notice the Park Building and Higbee portion of the Terminal Complex), but the overall density is what stands out. My estimate puts the image at 1947, the biggest tell being the building where the 55 Public Square Illuminating Company HQ is built in the 1950’s is still there. Any other thoughts on date?

 

A lot of people don't realize how iconic Terminal Tower was in that era.  I had someone in a FB group comment that Cleveland looked odd with only one obvious tower, I mentioned that outside of a certain island in NYC, there weren't any other buildings on the planet within 100 feet of its height.

44 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

A lot of people don't realize how iconic Terminal Tower was in that era.  I had someone in a FB group comment that Cleveland looked odd with only one obvious tower, I mentioned that outside of a certain island in NYC, there weren't any other buildings on the planet within 100 feet of its height.

 

As a really cool anecdote, my Great Grandpa (who was an iron worker and actually died during construction of the Terminal Tower), mentions it in letters back to Ireland to his mom and siblings. I don't have the letters on me, but he described it as something like "the tallest structure most eyes could ever behold" and says, emotionally, "my work here has given me a sense of pride that John Bull would never afford an Irishman at home. We say 'this tower is ours'". 

19 hours ago, mrnyc said:

women's rights 1970s --

 

Can’t help but notice those large round planters haven’t changed since then 😭

24 minutes ago, Enginerd said:

Can’t help but notice those large round planters haven’t changed since then 😭

Actually they have.  Current planters are 100% better.  Smaller and lacking trees and better maintained.  Those prior ugly monstrosities had these stick trees which usually lost their leaves by late July (probably from a lack of watering and pollution) and barely grew for the most part.  Also, people just used them as giant trash cans and it seemed as those responsible just let the trash sit in them.  They were also so big they often blocked pedestrian traffic.

5 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

As a really cool anecdote, my Great Grandpa (who was an iron worker and actually died during construction of the Terminal Tower), mentions it in letters back to Ireland to his mom and siblings. I don't have the letters on me, but he described it as something like "the tallest structure most eyes could ever behold" and says, emotionally, "my work here has given me a sense of pride that John Bull would never afford an Irishman at home. We say 'this tower is ours'". 

 

my godfather was an iron hangar too. i remember him talking about when he worked on the breuer/cle trust and csu tower and others i don’t recall, but i used to think about that when i went to csu briefly.

17 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

 

my godfather was an iron hangar too. i remember him talking about when he worked on the breuer/cle trust and csu tower and others i don’t recall, but i used to think about that when i went to csu briefly.

 

Late summer of 1984, the school year was just beginning and I ran into a future girlfriend on Public Square.   She asked me to walk her to her office at 9th and Euclid because some of the crew putting up the Sohio Building were catcalling her and one was getting really aggressive.   (As per her.  Keep in mind she was three months out of Parma High and may have had different ideas about what "aggressive" meant).   Sure enough though, one guy was trying to talk to her and was giving me the stink eye for walking her past.

 

He didn't know that my mom, who had just passed away, was Michael Kelley's babysitter when he was little and the families went way back.   I don't have to mention who the steel contractor on that building was, do I?

 

I always keep that in mind myself:  you never really know who you might be dealing with.

Edited October 4, 2024Oct 4 by E Rocc

4 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

He didn't know that my mom, who had just passed away, was Michael Kelley's babysitter when he was little and the families went way back.   I don't have to mention who the steel contractor on that building was, do I?

 

I always keep that in mind myself:  you never really know who you might be dealing with.

 

... I think you do

13 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

Late summer of 1984, the school year was just beginning and I ran into a future girlfriend on Public Square.   She asked me to walk her to her office at 9th and Euclid because some of the crew putting up the Sohio Building were catcalling her and one was getting really aggressive.   (As per her.  Keep in mind she was three months out of Parma High and may have had different ideas about what "aggressive" meant).   Sure enough though, one guy was trying to talk to her and was giving me the stink eye for walking her past.

 

He didn't know that my mom, who had just passed away, was Michael Kelley's babysitter when he was little and the families went way back.   I don't have to mention who the steel contractor on that building was, do I?

 

I always keep that in mind myself:  you never really know who you might be dealing with.

 

Thanks for guiding all these young men here on UO what it takes to gain a young lady's trust.

 

And sorry that you lost your mom at a relatively young age, before she got to see you get settled down in life with a family of your own. 

27 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Thanks for guiding all these young men here on UO what it takes to gain a young lady's trust.

 

And sorry that you lost your mom at a relatively young age, before she got to see you get settled down in life with a family of your own. 

 

Oh she missed that by 26 years.   I think I thought of that incident because I mentioned her upthread.

 

Ironically, my grandparents were married 75 years to the day before Ardyn was born.

 

And the young lady in question already trusted me for some reason, despite the fact that we met at the Mining Company.   

 

Speaking of Cleveland history.....that place.    :0.  Just imagine the historical photos had phone cameras existed.....or should that read "hysterical".

 

we met at the mining company.

 

how many times was that said back in the day?

 

😂

On 10/5/2024 at 6:29 AM, mrnyc said:

we met at the mining company.

 

how many times was that said back in the day?

 

😂

 

Between that place and the Akron Agora.....

ok so lets do it 1980s — 😂

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2260 ontario street

1923

Myron T. Herrick

Cleveland's Forgotten Railroad Baron

 

By David Kachinko

 

more:

https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/679

 

 

ontario street

1858

 

On 10/4/2024 at 1:21 PM, YABO713 said:

 

... I think you do

 

https://www.kelleysteel.com/

I, for one, have never seen this view.  An occupied Irishtown bend and the terminal building.

^ I would love to walk past all those houses down those steep streets just to see what it was like. If those houses were still standing today would it be like Telegraph Hill in SF? 

On 11/4/2024 at 12:16 PM, surfohio said:

^ I would love to walk past all those houses down those steep streets just to see what it was like. If those houses were still standing today would it be like Telegraph Hill in SF? 

My grandmother was born in The Angle in 1892. She would never talk about it - she would only say it was the worst slum imaginable. Nothing to get nostalgic about.

On 11/18/2024 at 10:48 AM, Dougal said:

My grandmother was born in The Angle in 1892. She would never talk about it - she would only say it was the worst slum imaginable. Nothing to get nostalgic about.

To that end - my family moved about 1 mile up the road to 61st after initially arriving in Irishtown Bend from Ireland by way of Pittsburgh... they were attacked during the anti-Catholic Know Nothing riots 

43 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

To that end - my family moved about 1 mile up the road to 61st after initially arriving in Irishtown Bend from Ireland by way of Pittsburgh... they were attacked during the anti-Catholic Know Nothing riots 

Mob mentality has been crappy for a long time

17 hours ago, plinth857 said:

Mob mentality has been crappy for a long time

 

It's always automatically crappy.  The IQ of a mob is said to be that of the lowest member's divided by the number of people in the mob.

 

When were these riots?

51 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

It's always automatically crappy.  The IQ of a mob is said to be that of the lowest member's divided by the number of people in the mob.

 

When were these riots?

 

Looks like 1840s but mostly in the 1850s

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know-Nothing_Riots_in_United_States_politics#:~:text=The term Know-Nothing Riot,in Philadelphia in 1844%3B St.

2 hours ago, Zagapi said:

 

Looks like 1840s but mostly in the 1850s

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know-Nothing_Riots_in_United_States_politics#:~:text=The term Know-Nothing Riot,in Philadelphia in 1844%3B St.

 

I may have misspoke on the names of them... nonetheless, the ethnic violence that affected my family was in the mid to late 1890s

the brief era when busses and trolleys awkwardly played together — 1948

 

 

^ the follow up to that is this 1952 so-called ‘parade of progress’ crowd.

 

that was the party for the last day the streetcars ran. tens of thousands took final free rides, then they tore out the tracks and repaved. my dad as a kid & my grandfather are in that pic somewhere, and likely other relatives ha, but i remember they talked about it.

 

the last streetcar line held on to january, 1954. it ran from spring garden ave in lakewood to madison to public square.

 

Given the photo one must assume this was a celebration?    

^ it was definitely a big event — i dk about celebration. i never thought to ask my relatives what they actually thought about it. i wish i would have. i’m sure many also have family who talked about it, maybe someone can say?

On 11/23/2024 at 4:57 AM, mrnyc said:

^ the follow up to that is this 1952 so-called ‘parade of progress’ crowd.

 

that was the party for the last day the streetcars ran. tens of thousands took final free rides, then they tore out the tracks and repaved. my dad as a kid & my grandfather are in that pic somewhere, and likely other relatives ha, but i remember they talked about it.

 

the last streetcar line held on to january, 1954. it ran from spring garden ave in lakewood to madison to public square.

 

Should have been a day of sorrow with protests but Big Oil/Oil/Car/Bus ruled the day and controlled our politicians - and our citizens becasue of the jobs - to then direct considerable government resources to instead only build highways, tear out all tracks and buy buses as a poor alternative.  Funny how all of those companies still thrive - but elsewhere than Ohio - we should seek reparations for the carnage they caused. In hindsight we all now know that they both could have co-existed as the sprawl inevitable anyway. 

Interesting that our streetcars were bought by Toronto who used them for many more decades.  We get the sads when we see Toront's meteoric rise (many reasons) since then in comparison to our almost purposeful managed decline for all of those decades.

https://www.blogto.com/city/2016/08/how_toronto_saved_the_north_american_streetcar/

 

East 4th Street, looking south from Euclid to Prospect in 1982. Photo by Bill Gagliano...

 

I was reminded the other day of when Diamond Shamrock financed the renovation of the Palace Theater dressing room towers.

I also included a 8 x 10 glossy of the Hanna Building when new/ current.