Wow, when you get the time you should look at these. 200 pictures in all

 

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/lake2112/random/

That lake2112 collection is great. 

Sorry not pics, but a fascinating video from 1970 about the Hungarian Buckeye neighborhood transitition: http://flash.ulib.csuohio.edu/library/montage/like-bubbles.html

 

Side note: Using Historic Aerials (http://www.historicaerials.com/), check out E.89 and Buckeye Rd.

Wow, that video is a great find, thank you!! Priceless neighborhood footage and fascinating window into the anxieties of the old community. Just listening to the voices and accents from then is cool. 

Yes very fascinating but also alarming to see the changes in just our lifetime (well MTS lifetime).   

For some reason, I never saw the videos they have available - the following is fascinating for a multitude of reasons http://flash.ulib.csuohio.edu/library/montage/still-yesterday.html

Sorry not pics, but a fascinating video from 1970 about the Hungarian Buckeye neighborhood transitition: http://flash.ulib.csuohio.edu/library/montage/like-bubbles.html

 

Side note: Using Historic Aerials (http://www.historicaerials.com/), check out E.89 and Buckeye Rd.

thanks, interesting video. I even remember narrator/local news personality Virgil Dominic! He can't still be around, can he?? I remember when I was in junior high (a little before the time of this video) a girl from Cleveland transfered to my school and claimed she was from a neighborhood called "Hungarian Hill" (though she was not Hungarian herself). I've Googled it over the years and could find no such reference. I wonder if this could be the area she was talking about and how she came up with the name  :wtf:

That was an incredibly sad-to-the-point-of nauseating video:( My grandfather lived in the Buckeye area when he moved to the US but eventually had to move to University Heights. Everything that could go wrong there did go wrong.

some followup to that 1970 treasure of a documentary:

 

 

more about the gypsy cellar, which closed the next year (1955-71):

 

http://ech.case.edu/ech-cgi/article.pl?id=RJE2

 

 

apparantly the old buckeye elegant hog saloon's ashwood bar was moved to playhouse square:

 

http://www.playhousesquare.org/mobile.asp?playhousesquare=48

 

Sorry not pics, but a fascinating video from 1970 about the Hungarian Buckeye neighborhood transitition: http://flash.ulib.csuohio.edu/library/montage/like-bubbles.html

 

Side note: Using Historic Aerials (http://www.historicaerials.com/), check out E.89 and Buckeye Rd.

 

Great video. Thanks for finding that. That neighborhood has become so depopulated it is possible to start over with a new ethnic neighborhood, building again almost from scratch.

 

Virgil Dominic later became general manager at WJW Channel 8. But I see he's returned to his pre-1972 stomping grounds at WKYC Channel 3.... http://www.cleveland.com/tv-blog/index.ssf/2012/07/virgil_dominic_named_interim_news_director_at_channel_3.html

One of my all-time favorite buildings in Cleveland that I never got to see. This is the Guardian Savings & Trust on lower Euclid, replaced by Woolworth's (now House Of Blues). This is circa 1900-10......

 

 

 

That would be an awesome building to see.  The House of Blues is one ugly building.

Would be nice to have some height in that stretch. Too bad

That would be an awesome building to see.  The House of Blues is one ugly building.

 

Hush whippersnapper.  Had you ever been in Woolworths or know what the building looked like?

Would be nice to have some height in that stretch. Too bad

 

There was an even bigger building just west of it. And I take it back... The Guardian Savings building, 322 Euclid Ave, wasn't demolished for Woolworth's. The space formerly occupied by Guardian Savings was immediately east of Woolworth's where a small, concrete-faced was built. The bigger building I just mentioned WAS demolished for Wooworth's -- the Union National Bank, 308 Euclid Ave (along with the smaller building between the two banks). This is the 17-story Union National Bank shortly after it was built in 1916.....

 

 

 

 

Looking from the other direction, the building at far left was the one that replaced Guardian Savings (it was recently City Blue clothing, and may be the local offices for some evil cable company today!). FW Woolworth replaces Union National Bank and the smaller building that was between Union National (later Central National) and Guardian Savings.

 

 

The "tower" was a late addition By Walker & Weeks based on the Giralda, Seville after the bank was changed to the Union Commerce National Bank and then relocated in 1924 to its  much larger building on the Northeast corner of East 9th and Euclid. Source: "A Cleveland Legacy: The Architecture of Walker and Weeks

 

The Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers owned the building at 308 Euclid until 1927 when Central National Bank, Savings & Trust Co. (later renamed as Central National Bank) acquired it and moved its offices there. Source: "Cleveland: The Making of a City" and http://ech.case.edu/cgi/article.pl?id=CC3

 

The offices of Central National Bank remained there until 1949 when it relocated to the Midland Building and the building at 308 Euclid was demolished for Woolworth's.

Source: http://www.emporis.com/building/centralnationalbankbuilding-cleveland-oh-usa

 

BTW, Guardian Savings (and Union Trust) was wrecked by a run on Cleveland banks on Feb. 25, 1933. Union Trust and Guardian Trust lost half their deposits in that one day! The president of Guardian Savings was ultimately imprisoned for illegal dealings.

Source: http://ech.case.edu/cgi/article.pl?id=B2

That hurts! I want all those buildings back!

I just found this 1927 photo taken by someone who climbed the steel arched centerspan of the 10-year-old Detroit-Superior High-Level Bridge. I love this picture. The kinetic sense I get from this picture helps me practically see it in motion, hear the roar of the traffic and an occasional ah-ooh-gah! car horn, the rumble of the streetcars on the level below, and my eyes follow the street and traffic into the heart of the city undergoing a tremendous transformation in its zenith decade.

 

So much is great and informative about this picture. First, you can see the photo was shot during the afternoon rush hour as the center lane (I didn't know it was reversible!) was opened to outbound traffic. Yet traffic is almost as heavy inbound too.

 

The Cleveland Union Terminal project is in high gear and far enough along by 1927 that the physical form of many of structures are identifiable -- not the least of which is Terminal Tower, soon to be the tallest building in the world outside of New York City. Plus you can also see the concrete bridge supports that will soon carry electrified passenger trains in/out of Union Terminal and across the Cuyahoga Valley to distant places like Cincinnati, St. Louis and Chicago.

 

You can also see the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad depot at far right, including its mansard roof and the train shed between it and the Cuyahoga River. To the left of the Detroit-Superior bridge is part of the B&O's bascule lift bridge which still exists today but unused, preserved as a static industrial statue. Beyond it are several industrial, warehouse and shipping-related buildings in the Flats which are surely left over from the Ohio & Erie Canal days which helped turn Cleveland from a clearing in the wilderness into a powerful economic gateway to Lake Erie, the Erie Canal and East Coast ports.

 

I left the photo relatively large so that viewers could inspect its details....

 

:clap: :clap: :clap: WOW KJP that is an AMAZING image... there are so many details to take in.  One question: What is the tall building in the left side on the image?  The tallest building to the left.  I cant figure out where that is, obviously its no longer standing.

The tallest buildings on the left side are the Standard building and the Rockefeller building. Or are you talking about one of the buildings in the flats?

Thanks, KJP, I love that photo!  Man do I love those wide sidewalks.  On both sides of the bridge, with no safety grate above the ballustrade, and no skinnying down for turning lanes.  Sigh.  You can also see the funny little roadway near the far end of the bridge on the right that used to ramp down to the flats.

 

I also love all the buildings in the Flats immediately north of the bridge.  No trace of them these days in Settlers Landing Park.

This is what I was talking about

^That's the Standard Bldg (like Keith said).  Ontario and St. Clair.  Doesn't look so tall these days b/c it's so close to Key Tower and other post war buildings.

Ah. Sorry, now I can see it. Thanks for the identification. Those buildings next to the bridge in the flats added so much density, so cool... Too bad they went. It's so interesting to see how certain buildings really stand out as opposed to the current skyline. On the far right you can just barely see the AT&T Huron Road building

^That's the Standard Bldg (like Keith said).  Ontario and St. Clair.  Doesn't look so tall these days b/c it's so close to Key Tower and other post war buildings.

 

Why is the building flat on the south side? When I look at it today, I always assumed that back in the day there must have been a building flush against it which is why it was so flat and windowless. But this picture proves otherwise.

^That's the Standard Bldg (like Keith said).  Ontario and St. Clair.  Doesn't look so tall these days b/c it's so close to Key Tower and other post war buildings.

Why is the building flat on the south side? When I look at it today, I always assumed that back in the day there must have been a building flush against it which is why it was so flat and windowless. But this picture proves otherwise.

I always assumed that when it was built they made that side flat with the assumption that something would probably one day be built there. Why put windows in the south side if someday the Old Stone Church is going to move somewhere else and be replaced by a building that will block the view out those windows?

 

I always assumed that when it was built they made that side flat with the assumption that something would probably one day be built there. Why put windows in the south side if someday the Old Stone Church is going to move somewhere else and be replaced by a building that will block the view out those windows?

 

Exactly. There was to be another building there, where the Old Stone Church was/is. Or maybe at least where the church offices/rectory are located. I'd love to see a tasteful mural put there, so that it complements the church. Of course, since the headquarters of the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers & Trainmen is in the Standard Building, I'd like to see a huge locomotive mural go there! ;)

 

Glad to see others enjoyed that picture as much as I did.

Thats a beautiful photo.  So much energy embodied in this singular view. 

What a great photo, thanks for posting it!

I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet (that or I missed it), but Cleveland State University's Center for Public History + Digital Humanities made an app with some interesting history and vintage photos. A better app and more interesting than I expected and some pictures I hadn't seen before.

 

http://clevelandstate.tumblr.com/post/36164294068/brush-up-on-holiday-history-with-csu-app-take-one

I always assumed that when it was built they made that side flat with the assumption that something would probably one day be built there. Why put windows in the south side if someday the Old Stone Church is going to move somewhere else and be replaced by a building that will block the view out those windows?

 

Exactly. There was to be another building there, where the Old Stone Church was/is. Or maybe at least where the church offices/rectory are located. I'd love to see a tasteful mural put there, so that it complements the church.

 

 

Or even better, windows and balconies would be tremendous. See the Broad and High project in Columbus for what I mean.

 

 

p.s. The B&O Railroad facility looks very cool. Would love to see it restored.

 

 

p.s. The B&O Railroad facility looks very cool. Would love to see it restored.

 

Tell CSU to put its Center for Public History + Digital Humanities at the B&O Station. The outer walls are about as fireproof as possible.

Not sure if these have been uploaded/seen yet.  They appear to be images of the Shaker Line and Right of Ways under construction?

 

 

 

 

 

Check out these amazing vintage pics of E105th/Euclid, E55th/Broadway, E55th/Euclid, & Ohio City at:

 

http://makeroffice.com/?p=446

 

Thanks w28th.  I had not seen those particular photos before.  These photos ~REALLY~ give a sense to what once was in this area.  I was aware that things changed a lot, but these photos really drive it home at the street level. 

Obviously I wasn't alive to see any these parts of Cleveland in person, but from what I've seen in pictures, I'd say that the loss of the E 105th-Euclid business district (in addition to the Euclid Ave mansions) is one of the city's biggest tragedies, from a building/development perspective.

Not sure if these have been uploaded/seen yet.  They appear to be images of the Shaker Line and Right of Ways under construction?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've uploaded some, but there already is an extensive collection of photos at clevelandmemory.org http://www.clevelandmemory.com/cut-coll/index.html from the construction of the Cleveland Union Terminal and all of its 17 miles of approach trackage, not including the Shaker Rapid much of which was already built in the 1920 when CUT was constructed. This was a $1.8 billion, privately financed transportation and real estate development -- in the waning years of when we assumed all transportation should be financed and owned privately.

 

No passenger railroad project in the U.S. since has eclipsed Cleveland Union Terminal in scale, as measured in inflation-adjusted investment amount. San Francisco's Transbay Terminal and/or California high-speed rail project will be the next largest project.

 

Check out these amazing vintage pics of E105th/Euclid, E55th/Broadway, E55th/Euclid, & Ohio City at:

 

http://makeroffice.com/?p=446

 

 

Looks like the first two photos are at Euclid-East 105th.

There's a bunch more on the website too.

 

http://makeroffice.com/?p=446

 

Awesome photos. Thanks for sharing, w28th.  Though I'm now tempted to change my signature to "O Ke Doke Num Num."

Not sure if these have been uploaded/seen yet.  They appear to be images of the Shaker Line and Right of Ways under construction?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No passenger railroad project in the U.S. since has eclipsed Cleveland Union Terminal in scale, as measured in inflation-adjusted investment amount. San Francisco's Transbay Terminal and/or California high-speed rail project will be the next largest project.

 

 

i believe east side access grew to twice the cost of transbay.

 

 

Obviously I wasn't alive to see any these parts of Cleveland in person, but from what I've seen in pictures, I'd say that the loss of the E 105th-Euclid business district (in addition to the Euclid Ave mansions) is one of the city's biggest tragedies, from a building/development perspective.

 

Defintively agree! Apparently there were also 4 theaters at Euclid and East 105th and all were demolished. One of them I believe was a 3,000 plus seater.

In college I worked behind the bar at a restaurant with an older guy who had been tending bar in Cleveland for 50 years.  He told me 105/Euclid used to be like the Warehouse District in his days.  He served lots of celebrities including Sinatra and the Rat Pack types.  Would have loved to see Cleveland in her golden age!

In college I worked behind the bar at a restaurant with an older guy who had been tending bar in Cleveland for 50 years.  He told me 105/Euclid used to be like the Warehouse District in his days.  He served lots of celebrities including Sinatra and the Rat Pack types.  Would have loved to see Cleveland in her golden age!

 

Totally agree about some of the biggest losses being E105/Euclid and the Euclid Mansions

 

 

 

We could have had some pretty sweet bed & breakfast joints.

 

A note on that second image, for anyone who isn't familiar.  It is the mansion of Samuel Andrews, the Scottish chemist who founded Standard Oil with J.D. Rockefeller.  He contributed a lot of the technical knowledge of refining, but didn't get along with Rockefeller.  He decided to sell most of his shares before the company realized its full monopolistic potential and built the mansion with the hope of hosting the queen of England.  (Most of this is from the excellent Rockefeller biography "Titan" by Ron Chernow, which includes a lot of interesting Cleveland history). 

 

The house stood on the northwest corner of Euclid and E. 30th and was torn down in 1923 after being vacant for 25 years. 

http://ech.case.edu/cgi/article.pl?id=AF3

Afterwards, the house was replaced with a driving range:

http://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/86

Interesting slideshow of 1960 Cleveland, called Cuyahoga Creative Destruction.....

http://www.geog.ubc.ca/~ewyly/cleveland.html

 

EDIT: note that the pictures were taken by Robert S. Wyly in 1960

^Nice find!!  That very first one is awesome.  I want that POC sign back.  And I'll never over how awesomely generous the Detroit/Superior bridge's sidewalks were before the extra lanes were added.  So annoying we can't just revert back to the original design.

Interesting how there was recently a big deal about connecting a rail line to the port, when once upon a time it looks like there were rails on every dock!  I wonder why they tore them all out at some point without leaving a couple?

In college I worked behind the bar at a restaurant with an older guy who had been tending bar in Cleveland for 50 years.  He told me 105/Euclid used to be like the Warehouse District in his days.  He served lots of celebrities including Sinatra and the Rat Pack types.  Would have loved to see Cleveland in her golden age!

 

 

 

 

 

We could have had some pretty sweet bed & breakfast joints.

 

 

 

I'd take that 105 scene and its caliber celeb visits any day over the current Parking Lot District scene.

 

 

It's amazing how much smoke hung over the city from all the factories when you watch the old cleveland pics slideshow then view the 2010 slideshow at the bottom of the page.  Also amazing to see the warehouse district whole...so sad it was mowed over for the automobile.

It's amazing how much smoke hung over the city from all the factories when you watch the old cleveland pics slideshow then view the 2010 slideshow at the bottom of the page. 

 

The Clean Air Act was passed in 1970 -- 10 years after these photos were taken. Many industries (especially steel mills, coke ovens, refineries, etc) preferred to shut down rather than make improvements to clean air. Either way, it had the same effect even if the consequences differed. But before then, the old sayings went "you can judge the economic power of a town by the number of smokestacks it had" and "when the air smells, the economy's doing well."

w25th?

 

drugs were not hard to take either, maaan!    :-o