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I apologize KJP[/member] , between this and Lucky's, that is two Cleveland border establishments you have had to correct in as many days! In my defense, it was my dad's fault, haha.

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  • I've always been intriqued by the old neighborhood movie theaters in Cleveland. So many have been razed, and yet many are still standing. Most have been converted into churches and it's those whose au

  • JohnSummit
    JohnSummit

    While we all wait for the next construction crane to show up downtown, here's some visual highlights of the golden decade ('82-'92) of tall building construction in Cleveland. Was there any another 10

  • Florida Guy
    Florida Guy

    I took these photos when I was teenager with my 35mm camera. 1989 "Light Up Cleveland" Monday Night Football. 

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Cool pic....

 

United Cigar Stores Co. ca. 1930-1939.  Photographer: Arthur Gray. Source: @Cleveland_PL Superior Ave. #Cleveland @thiswascle @EncyCle_ @CleStartsHere https://t.co/LzGvvdfWCT

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

While Western Reserve was playing their home football games at League Park during this era, Case Tech played at their games at lowly, but historic, Van Horn Field.  Here's an aerial view of a home game from 1935:

 

https://frontend.case.dgicloud.com/islandora/object/ksl:uarchives-arcima00019

 

Side historical note: September 28, 2018 will mark the 100-year anniversary of famed Notre Dame coach Knute Rockne's coaching debut at the football field shown in this aerial, Van Horn Field.

 

You'll also notice a few prominent buildings, plus all the houses along Adelbert Road and Euclid Ave that are no longer standing.

  • 2 weeks later...

Little Italy card game circa 1961 at the intersection of Murray Hill and Mayfield.  Location currently is TOLI:

 

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Euclid Ave, 1911 - while Cleveland was the 6th largest city in the country behind New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, St. Louis, and Boston.

I'm surprised St Louis was in the top 5?? Had no idea!

 

I'm surprised St Louis was in the top 5?? Had no idea!

 

 

It was 5th:

https://www.biggestuscities.com/1910

 

Cleveland and Detroit displaced St. Louis and Boston in 1920

https://www.biggestuscities.com/1920

 

Los Angeles displaced Cleveland, pushing it from #5 to #6 in 1930

https://www.biggestuscities.com/1930

 

Top 6 stayed the same in 1940

https://www.biggestuscities.com/1940

 

Cleveland fell to 7th in 1950, displaced by Baltimore at #6

https://www.biggestuscities.com/1950

 

Cleveland in 1960 fell to 8th, displaced from 7th by Houston

https://www.biggestuscities.com/1960

 

And Cleveland's last appearance in the top 10 was in 1970

https://www.biggestuscities.com/1970

 

Today, every city in the top 10 is at 1 million or more. And every city in the top 25 is at 600,000 or more.

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

The Union Depot, trainyards, and Cleveland Harbor between 1901 and 1906 #ThisWasCLE

 

from @librarycongress

https://t.co/KrKOZ01aNo https://t.co/53Ng0zZCDi

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

I love coming across old photos of Cleveland that I've never seen before. These pictures of Euclid Ave, just east of E 55th St, were taken by @CLEcityplanning in the mid-1980s. Imagine what this area could be like today if those buildings still existed.

(? from @Cleveland_PL) https://t.co/rwcMt5YiYa

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

The loss of this area makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. This is an example of local (CDC, City) and regional (transit authority) having no foresight on redevelopment or simply even a sense of optimism. Demolition was their only tool.

What replaced this pales in comparison by any measure.

The loss of this area makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. This is an example of local (CDC, City) and regional (transit authority) having no foresight on redevelopment or simply even a sense of optimism. Demolition was their only tool.

What replaced this pales in comparison by any measure.

 

My gut wholeheartedly agrees with you. The lack of foresight of many of our past leaders is nauseating.

 

However, I think part of what holds us back as a region is the aging industrial infrastructure - I'm not sure that would apply here, but if Midtown can take off, I'll feel a little less bad about the hit job to Euclid Ave

Photo taken the year my father was born. My father said it was Cleveland's best decade of 6-8 really good decades in a row, and its last good decade. Until...

 

Euclid Ave. Looking east from East 9th Street. The traffic tower looms quite large in the middle of the street. Library print from a negative by Louis Baus. ca. 1929. Source: @Cleveland_PL  @thiswascle @EncyCle_ @CleCityCouncil @CleStartsHere

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Cable cars - not forward looking.

 

Buses - forward looking.

Cable cars - not forward looking.

 

Buses - forward looking.

 

What's this in reference to YABO713[/member] ?

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Cable cars - not forward looking.

 

Buses - forward looking.

 

What's this in reference to YABO713[/member] ?

 

The absolutely beautiful labyrinth of cable car wires above the street. Only to be replaced with buses permanently a few decades later.

Is this where I correct you on the proper transit terminology for cable cars?

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Is this where I correct you on the proper transit terminology for cable cars?

 

Nope, nope, this is when you let my ignorance remain as a hue of happy and nostalgic

Encycle

‏@EncyCle_

Image of East 105th near Euclid Ave. in #Cleveland ca. 1920s. #CleStartsHere #PhotoByWRHS #cwru #thiswascle #thisiscle #history #theland #ohio

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Frank Dutton

@dufr01

Hotel Doanbrooke ad, from 1927 NVA Yearbook. #ThisWasCle #Cleveland #Uptown105

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John Skrtic

‏@SkrticX

University and Keith Theatres. E. 105th Source: @Cleveland_PL in Vintage #Cleveland by James Toman.

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@lostincleveland

1941 photo of Woodland & 79th with the Workhouse in the background to the left

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@lostincleveland

E 79th at Woodland, with the old Workhouse, on the left.

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@lostincleveland

...1898 city map from the Cleveland Public Library. “Workhouse”

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@lostincleveland

...a better view of the original “Workhouse”

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Great/rare photo of elevating the Pennsylvania RR through Cleveland (other railroads were also elevated above or depressed below street levels in the city limits)

@lostincleveland

Jun 10

...Euclid at 55th, looking south.1913

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@lostincleveland

...Euclid at 55th looking west. 1910

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And ending with a 19th century oldie....

 

@lostincleveland

Euclid at 40th. 1880

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Wow.

John Skrtic

@SkrticX

#Cleveland Mayoral Candidates. Source: @Cleveland_PL in July, 1975 @ClevelandMag

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

That caption re: Danny is pretty damn ominous in hindsight.

Kausek Brothers department store, 6202 St Clair Ave.  Almost 110 years later.

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Kausek Brothers department store, 6202 St Clair Ave.  Almost 110 years later.

 

Looks like 6204 to me.  :)

 

If it had been on the other side of the street it would likely be 74 years gone....

That caption re: Danny is pretty damn ominous in hindsight.

 

There had already been multiple attempts on his life by 1975.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

That caption re: Danny is pretty damn ominous in hindsight.

 

My mother knew him and said he was an engaging gentleman - unless he thought you were competition.

Remember: It's the Year of the Snake

That caption re: Danny is pretty damn ominous in hindsight.

 

My mother knew him and said he was an engaging gentleman - unless he thought you were competition.

 

Yup, I had family members who worked for him - his son is a very nice guy too

nice 1905 pic of the sheriff street market (1891-1936) -- can you imagine if this structure still existed downtown in this prime shape?

 

later became central market & a bus garage, etc. -- then finally torn down in the 1980's for gateway

 

 

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I actually kind of hate this thread.

The area that Gateway and the highway replaced in my opinion is a bigger loss than the WHD. The Haymarket district I think it was technically called? This used to be the commerce hub of Cleveland and was a connecting point for so many main arteries leading into the near Southeast side which at that point had Chicago level urbanity. Now, complete corridors like Woodland, Central, Cedar, Orange are unrecognizable, and the one remaining corridor of potential (Broadway) is completely severed from Downtown by the stadiums, highways, low density industrial etc. Now with the stock of historic conversions basically gone Downtown, could you imagine if we could have just saved all of those buildings and watched the development spread along these corridors.

 

Broadway will come back, but even when it does, the connectivity is completely gone, and the damage is already done.

The area that Gateway and the highway replaced in my opinion is a bigger loss than the WHD. The Haymarket district I think it was technically called? This used to be the commerce hub of Cleveland and was a connecting point for so many main arteries leading into the near Southeast side which at that point had Chicago level urbanity. Now, complete corridors like Woodland, Central, Cedar, Orange are unrecognizable, and the one remaining corridor of potential (Broadway) is completely severed from Downtown by the stadiums, highways, low density industrial etc. Now with the stock of historic conversions basically gone Downtown, could you imagine if we could have just saved all of those buildings and watched the development spread along these corridors.

 

Broadway will come back, but even when it does, the connectivity is completely gone, and the damage is already done.

 

KJP once posted a plan to eliminate that interchange mess by re-routing 77 straight north to the shoreway.  It's crazy they didn't do it like that to begin with.

The area that Gateway and the highway replaced in my opinion is a bigger loss than the WHD. The Haymarket district I think it was technically called? This used to be the commerce hub of Cleveland and was a connecting point for so many main arteries leading into the near Southeast side which at that point had Chicago level urbanity. Now, complete corridors like Woodland, Central, Cedar, Orange are unrecognizable, and the one remaining corridor of potential (Broadway) is completely severed from Downtown by the stadiums, highways, low density industrial etc. Now with the stock of historic conversions basically gone Downtown, could you imagine if we could have just saved all of those buildings and watched the development spread along these corridors.

 

Broadway will come back, but even when it does, the connectivity is completely gone, and the damage is already done.

 

 

yep absolutely -- that is why i always thought the new ballpark should have gone back to league park. it was an opportunity to redevelop a wrigley type neighborhood and could have saved more of the central/haymarket/gateway area space/structures. of course even that would only have perhaps been a partial remedy to the devastation you have described so painfully well.

You might even say... Broadway is dark tonight.... a little bit weaker than it used to be...

streetcars back down bway. that is the dream.

Euclid Ave near Belvoir looking east. I used to live near this area back in the early 80s. Much has changed.

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#Cleveland, 1926 - film view from Lake Erie.  https://t.co/5vbOnSDg4e

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Amazing. A very eerie video, the lakefront was very clearly a dumping ground for dredging and trash. Its neglect originates from this time period.

I'm genuinely curious but am certain I will never find out, I wonder how many other historical major US cities similar to Cleveland have seen as much historical deconstruction as we have done. Quite depressing.

^I feel like St Louis is worse, they went crazy with Urban Renewal funds and horrible freeways on stilts. I only say worse because St Louis had some really beautiful well made brick buildings and east coast style row homes, higher quality than the stick built stuff in Cleveland. Probably Detroit too.

 

Viceland's "Abandoned " series had a nice documentary on the beautiful old St Louis Schools that are crumbling.

 

This was the imaginative home of Nelson Cotabish, mayor of @LakewoodOhio (1910-12) and sales manager for National Carbon (on Madison Ave at West 117th). He got the idea for this house at Detroit and Cohasset Avenues while traveling to Cohasset, MA, with its cobblestone houses. Photos: @Cleve_Memory #CLE

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Now Woodland at East 55th is an urban prairie....

 

In its heyday in the late 1950s and early 1960s, the corner of Woodland and E. 55th was, in the words of bluesman George Hendricks, “like another city--it was like New York.” And one of the brightest spots was Gleason’s Musical Bar. https://t.co/3XS06S3doH #CLE #blues #rnbmusic https://t.co/53oFnmlNOT

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Now Woodland at East 55th is an urban prairie....

 

In its heyday in the late 1950s and early 1960s, the corner of Woodland and E. 55th was, in the words of bluesman George Hendricks, “like another city--it was like New York.” And one of the brightest spots was Gleason’s Musical Bar. https://t.co/3XS06S3doH #CLE #blues #rnbmusic https://t.co/53oFnmlNOT

 

I literally watched a human being defecate on the corner of 55th and Woodland three weeks ago.

 

I literally watched a human being defecate on the corner of 55th and Woodland three weeks ago.

 

So it really is like New York!

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Photograph taken from the window of an upper story building of the construction being done on the Cleveland Trust Bank. This building is now the site of our beautiful downtown @Heinens  (wish it was a larger pic)

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

 

I literally watched a human being defecate on the corner of 55th and Woodland three weeks ago.

 

So it really is like New York!

 

 

two out of three. jazz clubs and poopers yes. the urban praire is a cleveland specialty.

‘tis the summer season — did anyone see these great shots of blossom through the years on cle dot com?

 

 

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^ The Beach Boys 50th anniversary show was so epic. Will never forget that one.

I'm going to Blossom for my first time ever this Sunday to see Roger Daltry and the Cleveland Orchestra perform Tommy. Yes, I've never been there. Not a concert guy. Not an outdoors guy. The combination is the answer to that math question.

 

Meanwhile, here's the only Great Lakes watershed lake-named street that no longer exists in Cleveland. This was about 4-5 years before construction for the Cleveland Union Terminal Group obliterated this canal-era neighborhood SW of Public Square. Note the horse water trough at right and the downhill sloping street....

 

Looking west down Champlain in 1918 #ThisWasCLE from @Cleveland_PL Digital Gallery

https://cplorg.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p4014coll18/id/3186/rec/40

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Meanwhile, here's the only Great Lakes watershed lake-named street that no longer exists in Cleveland. This was about 4-5 years before construction for the Cleveland Union Terminal Group obliterated this canal-era neighborhood SW of Public Square. Note the horse water trough at right and the downhill sloping street....

 

Looking west down Champlain in 1918 #ThisWasCLE from @Cleveland_PL Digital Gallery

https://cplorg.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p4014coll18/id/3186/rec/40

 

 

Same spot, same view, just 100 years later:

 

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