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After the Big Four was acquired by New York Central and relocated into the lakefront Union Depot, its old station was acquired by the Erie Railroad which had its previous passenger station on Scranton Peninsula. Erie continued to use the station under the Detroit-Superior viaduct until 1949 when the city of Cleveland widened the Cuyahoga River navigation channel and replaced many lift bridges. The old Erie/Big Four two-track-wide lift bridge next to the Carter Road bridge was replaced with a longer, one-track lift bridge. And the Erie's passenger trains were relocated to Cleveland Union Terminal/Terminal Tower. Under Conrail, they were the last passenger railroad train service to CUT in 1977.

 

In the 1960s and 70s, the Erie depot under the Detroit-Superior viaduct was owned by mobster James Vinci who converted it into a restaurant called Diamond Jim's. After he was murdered prior to testifying in a mob trial, his daughter, Rosemary Vinci took over ownership of the old depot, running Shorty's Diner until the early 1990s. She met the same fate as her father for apparently the same reason.

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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A little bit down the line, on the Erie Railroad toward Solon, Warren, Youngstown, and beyond, was this fascinating crossing of East 131st and Miles Avenue in Cleveland. The two-track railroad line that hosted a dozen daily passenger trains at 70 mph and at least a dozen daily freight trains in 1953 is now a single-track streak of rust and the neighborhood is pocked with vacant lots and empty buildings.....

 

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^^ Interesting stuff, thanks!

Here's a larger view of the first photo......

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

In light of the recent Woodland Cemetery gatehouse reconstruction at 6828 Woodland Avenue woodlandgate.thumb.jpg.6ebc080fd9404186b22107a504ac26c8.jpg

Here are some photos of the original chapel, fountains, and gatehouse, all are gone at this moment but the gatehouse is in the process of being rebuilt!1339027078_ScreenShot2019-06-10at2_54_52PM.thumb.png.277fb56c9b72473051c934861a8cf05d.png2094081797_ScreenShot2019-06-10at3_03_37PM.thumb.png.d9d9fe50401287af8fa12a2ac1373c63.png257059997_ScreenShot2019-06-10at2_59_51PM.thumb.png.d1f5f8f5b2a146edc095556055c0b8b3.pnglostgatehouse.jpg.7647e693ffeac955c922670a84e408d8.jpgwoodlandcemetarylostfountain.jpg.1fd6d068d35959fb8ad5f0d0740af55b.jpg

St. Thomas Aquinas Church located at 9101 Superior Avenue demolished in 1975 the same year St. Agnes was demolished on Euclid Avenue. 1975 was quite a bad year for Cleveland architecture it seems. Today, the school still stands as a landmark for the area slowly demolished over the past 60 years.1033927138_ScreenShot2019-06-10at3_40_38PM.thumb.png.be9ef0004c847f1376f0f47e31f456c6.png2060722812_ScreenShot2019-06-10at3_40_48PM.thumb.png.a04b7e631655e28a6c41203b5fea6132.png2060722812_ScreenShot2019-06-10at3_40_48PM.thumb.png.a04b7e631655e28a6c41203b5fea6132.png1509320054_ScreenShot2019-06-10at3_42_16PM.thumb.png.a4e67c5abfbfa2c1735c14bf26cde2e0.png

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So they tore down that beauty and replaced it with....nothing. Great.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

People??

 

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

On 6/10/2019 at 3:55 PM, JohnCurran1996 said:

St. Thomas Aquinas Church located at 9101 Superior Avenue demolished in 1975 the same year St. Agnes was demolished on Euclid Avenue. 1975 was quite a bad year for Cleveland architecture it seems. Today, the school still stands as a landmark for the area slowly demolished over the past 60 years.1033927138_ScreenShot2019-06-10at3_40_38PM.thumb.png.be9ef0004c847f1376f0f47e31f456c6.png2060722812_ScreenShot2019-06-10at3_40_48PM.thumb.png.a04b7e631655e28a6c41203b5fea6132.png2060722812_ScreenShot2019-06-10at3_40_48PM.thumb.png.a04b7e631655e28a6c41203b5fea6132.png1509320054_ScreenShot2019-06-10at3_42_16PM.thumb.png.a4e67c5abfbfa2c1735c14bf26cde2e0.png

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 Demolished or a neighborhood that was purposely left to deteriorate?

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

 

I'm sure plenty of people here follow John, but I have a feeling folks that follow this topic would have some great tidbits to add!

I could not resist

 

 

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It is amazing to see how many historic structures were torn down.  I find it most interesting to see the western side of The May Company Building before their parking structure was built. It would have been great to knock that down and have exposed windows into the residences now

^That's actually a really great idea.

Just a wonderful, Londonesque-type setting....

 

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

  • 2 weeks later...

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Enjoy this 1940s-era photo this weekend when it's 95 degrees...

 

The Fairmount Blvd. streetcar line looking eastbound off of Cedar.

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

I heard a possibility of 100-110F on Friday and Saturday.   

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While the money continues to flow in for the Irishtown Bend stabilization and park, this is what the hillside looked like when the Irish actually lived there....

 

View looking west from the Detroit-Superior Viaduct of a section of the Cleveland Flats known as "Irish Bend." The Cuyahoga River can be seen in the photograph. Houses, cottages and shacks can be seen dotting the hillside along the river(1885).Notes and photo:@Cleveland_PL https://t.co/JVp3UrBciT

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Is that church the original St. Emeric’s?

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Look at those old buildings on Old River Road...

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Damn! Just imagine if they were still standing. What an amazing street that would be. I see old buildings like these all over east cost cities and when I do I'm envious. They add incredible character and complexity to a neighborhood. Pisses me off that we had them too but were too shortsighted to keep them. City mentality really is different depending on where you go. "Old" is valued on the east coast.

 

I'm making my annual trip to Boston this month to stay with a Cleveland ex-pat. He's been there 30 years now and one of the first differences he noticed is the almost reverential respect they have for their history. We don't have nearly enough of that here. 

A fascinating old building...

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

On 7/26/2019 at 11:12 AM, KJP said:

While the money continues to flow in for the Irishtown Bend stabilization and park, this is what the hillside looked like when the Irish actually lived there....

 

View looking west from the Detroit-Superior Viaduct of a section of the Cleveland Flats known as "Irish Bend." The Cuyahoga River can be seen in the photograph. Houses, cottages and shacks can be seen dotting the hillside along the river(1885).Notes and photo:@Cleveland_PL https://t.co/JVp3UrBciT

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At its peak, Irishtown Bend saw as many as 15,000 inhabitants along the hillside on the less 3/4 mile strip. 

 

When my family (paternal great grandparents) first arrived in Cleveland, this is where they lived and worked. The Irish were forced up the hill to "the Angle" at the end of the 19th into the early 20th century - this migration was due (a) to the disease that spread as a result of such tight living quarters, and (b) significant violence from the "Know-Nothing" movement that saw a spur of anti-immigrant rhetoric and violence. In fact, several Irish were killed en route to polling stations in the 1880s, including several Civil War veterans. 

 

From the Angle, the Irish once again faced a wave of anti-Immigrant backlash before WW1 - an early family friend of my great grandparents had their home burnt down for taking jobs during a labor strike, and many moved to several concentrated blocks (W. 59 - W. 65th between Herman and Detroit) and smatterings along 65th from Detroit to Lorain as it stretched down to their parish at St. Colmans. 

2 hours ago, YABO713 said:

When my family (paternal great grandparents) first arrived in Cleveland, this is where they lived and worked.

 

Mine, too; and they were dirt poor. The next generation did better - president of a large local company in the '30s and '40s.  The migration was to W65th, W85th, then Lakewood, next generation Rocky River, then my generation left town. ?

Remember: It's the Year of the Snake

3 hours ago, KJP said:

Clevelander. August, 1964. Cleveland's Ever Changing Lakefront. Source: @Cleveland_PL Periodical Collection. https://t.co/nzrOdTU8GW

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It's crazy the amount of rail tracks that used to go out to the piers!  

“bUt StReEt CaRs aRe NoT gOiNg tO wOrK.”

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Is 5 years historic? ? Construction on The Metropolitan At The 9 on August 16, 2014. "The Metropolitan" is about to become a multiple application brand name...

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

7 minutes ago, Terdolph said:

I haven't been there in person so I want to know, did they restore the historic Breuer (sp?) lobby?

 

I know it was torn out for construction.

The only part that was torn out was the windows facing East Ninth Street, and they were fully restored as part of the redevelopment.

We all know about the tremendous architectural loss that was the original Hollenden Hotel. But the building behind it, where the Fifth-Third Bank Tower's parking deck is today, looks like a fascinating building as well....

 

 

Here, I used only the Twitter image link. That building was 13 stories. I'm sure it had a great street presence as well......

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

That, the Hickok at E9th and Euclid, and the Hippodrome, what a shame.

 

And the building it replaced.....

 

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Where the STJ Transit Center is now...

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

In honor of one of the nation's oldest air shows, held every Labor Day weekend. They used to be held at Cleveland Municipal Airport (aka Hopkins) until a plane crashed into a house in Berea (in 1949, I think). So the air show was moved to the new Burke Lakefront Airport so planes could crash into Lake Erie instead....

 

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

A few years earlier....

 

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

My Grandfather took the family to the Air Races in 1934 and held onto the program. He also used the cover to collect Mary Pickford's autograph.

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Just a sunny day on Public Square....in 1921.

 

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Nope, no national criminal organization here! The FBI believed that until the 1960s...

 

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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