January 1, 20187 yr What is the line of thinking on World War II slowing the growth of Cleveland? I thought the war helped the city with its industrial might away from the coasts? Or do you mean the white GI's running for the burbs after the war? Nothing was being built during the war in the USA except guns, tanks, planes, bombs, etc. Most material that could be used for new structures (and cars, clothing, fuel, etc) was devoted to the war effort. Same with labor. If you weren't working in a business that was critical to the war effort, you got drafted into the military. It's also why you couldn't buy new cars, or gasoline (unless you had a ration card), or build houses or even buy nylon stockings (needed for parachutes) until after the war was over. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 1, 20187 yr What is the line of thinking on World War II slowing the growth of Cleveland? I thought the war helped the city with its industrial might away from the coasts? Or do you mean the white GI's running for the burbs after the war? Nothing was being built during the war in the USA except guns, tanks, planes, bombs, etc. Most material that could be used for new structures (and cars, clothing, fuel, etc) was devoted to the war effort. Same with labor. If you weren't working in a business that was critical to the war effort, you got drafted into the military. It's also why you couldn't buy new cars, or gasoline (unless you had a ration card), or build houses or even buy nylon stockings (needed for parachutes) until after the war was over. Few US cities saw significant construction between 1929-1945, outside of some public works and a few buildings completed a year or so after the stock market crash. Even in the 1920s, there was significant suburbanization beginning with streetcar lines and then automobiles. I think of the dense urbanization of 1900-1950 as an aberration, not the norm; depopulation of cities after WWII contributed overall to better quality of life for most people. Rust Belt cities were dirty, crowded, polluted spaces by the 1950s. I would guess that a significant number of inner-city homes that were subject to urban renewal lacked basic plumbing.
January 1, 20187 yr I think of the dense urbanization of 1900-1950 as an aberration, not the norm; depopulation of cities after WWII contributed overall to better quality of life for most people. While U.S. cities grew in population during the first 50 years of the 20th century, most of them became less dense because the walking city of the 19th century and before was more dense than the transit city. Depopulation did not lead to a better quality of life. Pollution control and housing codes/inspections did. Depopulation was a result of sprawl (in Cleveland's case, no-growth sprawl) and caused economic isolation of the poor and a new kind of pollution -- massive hyper-consumerist unrecycled garbage, carbon emissions from private vehicles and stormwater runoff from so much impervious surfaces. EDIT: see Page 14 at: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1538-4632.1975.tb01040.x/pdf "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 21, 20187 yr 34 stunning vintage shots of Coventry in the '80s https://t.co/8cCAvpNzOg "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 21, 20187 yr 14th & Huron, October 1988, Black Angus used to be on the corner, followed by the Rusty Scupper and Sweetwater Cafe. #Cleveland #ThisWasCle https://t.co/RFhjfeMvWn "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 21, 20187 yr Raging Wolf Bobs! It wasn’t the most thrilling roller coaster (or even anywhere near the bes at Geauga Lake) but it was one of Charlie Dinn’s few creations that didn’t actually bash you to death after the first year. He also built Mean Streak at Cedar Point, but I think only 3 or 4 of his rides are still in operation; the rest have either been modified into being steel roller coasters or were torn down. “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
January 21, 20187 yr Raging Wolf Bobs bruised my shoulders pretty badly in the summer of '93. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 24, 20187 yr Loew's Park Theatre, 10209 Euclid Avenue opened 97 years ago yesterday, from the Plain Dealer, January 23, 1921. #Cleveland #ThisWasCle https://t.co/qpgyayW5YA "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 25, 20187 yr You've probably seen a photo from @Cleve_Memory, you've probably used photos from @Cleve_Memory -- meet Bill Barrow, the Head of Special Collections at the Cleveland State Michael Schwartz library. https://t.co/XniIFraiQg "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 26, 20187 yr Cleveland Streetcars Posted on January 24, 2018 8:36 AM | Updated January 24, 2018 6:54 PM http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/01/a_vintage_photo_gallery_of_cle.html A few intersections are completely unrecognizable, for example: E.55th and Haltnorth Court in 1948: http://image.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/width960/img/plain-dealer/photo/2018/01/24/cleveland-streetcars-39b3181425b35fb8.jpg
January 29, 20187 yr Birth place of Standard Oil. Your post inspired me to find out more: Where in the World is Walworth Run? https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/659
January 30, 20187 yr Or you could've just asked me. ;) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 1, 20187 yr Little Herman Lounge. 10616 Euclid Ave. 1968. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 2, 20187 yr The onetime home of Charles Schweinfurth (on East 75th Street), one of Cleveland’s most renowned architects. Photos courtesy of @Cleve_Memory and @Cleveland_PL https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/810 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 2, 20187 yr And yes, this house still stands. It is only one of five houses still standing on this block.... https://www.google.com/maps/place/1945+E+75th+St,+Cleveland,+OH+44103/@41.5055096,-81.6363831,3a,75y,97.26h,81.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spBm8Iziodz-noztF48cglA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8830fbaff0f3d9eb:0xea4fe2bd80121c6b!8m2!3d41.5054852!4d-81.6368869 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 3, 20187 yr ^ The trees have come back in full force, it seems. Forest City. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
February 4, 20187 yr Cleveland Municipal Stadium, 3/14/31 - Construction is underway on one of first multi-purpose stadiums designed for baseball and football. The mammoth-sized ballpark cost $2,500,000 to build and could hold up to 78,000 for baseball and 83,000 for football. It opened July 1, 1931
February 4, 20187 yr If only we could turn back time . What if this was never built at this location?
February 4, 20187 yr Cleveland Municipal Stadium, 3/14/31 - Construction is underway on one of first multi-purpose stadiums designed for baseball and football. The mammoth-sized ballpark cost $2,500,000 to build and could hold up to 78,000 for baseball and 83,000 for football. It opened July 1, 1931 Are these dates right? This photo is March 31 and it opened in July? That must have been some crazy progress!
February 4, 20187 yr Are these dates right? This photo is March 31 and it opened in July? That must have been some crazy progress! Fewer regulations and governmental approvals required back then. Also more injuries and deaths back then, too. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 5, 20187 yr Are these dates right? This photo is March 31 and it opened in July? That must have been some crazy progress! Fewer regulations and governmental approvals required back then. Also more injuries and deaths back then, too. So like looking into the future of Trump's America.....
February 5, 20187 yr Are these dates right? This photo is March 31 and it opened in July? That must have been some crazy progress! Fewer regulations and governmental approvals required back then. Also more injuries and deaths back then, too. So like looking into the future of Trump's America..... My Great-Grandfather died as a steelworker on the Terminal Tower. No harness, no nothing. Different times, different people, bigger balls.
February 9, 20187 yr #Cleveland, 1822/2018 - The Cleveland Academy, built nearly 200 years ago, near the northwest corner of St. Clair & Seneca (West 3rd) St. It was torn down in 1849. https://t.co/QprojxJewf "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 9, 20187 yr Are these dates right? This photo is March 31 and it opened in July? That must have been some crazy progress! Fewer regulations and governmental approvals required back then. Also more injuries and deaths back then, too. So like looking into the future of Trump's America..... My Great-Grandfather died as a steelworker on the Terminal Tower. No harness, no nothing. Different times, different people, bigger balls. Nah...just waaay more desperate to get a check.
February 9, 20187 yr #Cleveland, 1822/2018 - The Cleveland Academy, built nearly 200 years ago, near the northwest corner of St. Clair & Seneca (West 3rd) St. It was torn down in 1849. https://t.co/QprojxJewf This building could be described as adorable. Wish it was still around.
February 9, 20187 yr If only we could turn back time . What if this was never built at this location? Only need to turn the clock back to the late 1990s; what if First Energy stadium was never built at this location?
February 9, 20187 yr If only we could turn back time . What if this was never built at this location? Only need to turn the clock back to the late 1990s; what if First Energy stadium was never built at this location? Cleveland City Council would've voted unanimously to turn the space into a coal-fired power plant.
February 9, 20187 yr If only we could turn back time . What if this was never built at this location? Only need to turn the clock back to the late 1990s; what if First Energy stadium was never built at this location? Cleveland City Council would've voted unanimously to turn the space into a coal-fired power plant. Perhaps if a stadium wasn't built there in 1930; 1990s, not so much.
February 10, 20187 yr Not really a photo, but it is a jpg. The wrecking ball came pretty close for Playhouse Square theaters. From The Plain Dealer, September 9, 1972. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 10, 20187 yr Are these dates right? This photo is March 31 and it opened in July? That must have been some crazy progress! Fewer regulations and governmental approvals required back then. Also more injuries and deaths back then, too. It took 13-1/2 months to build the Empire State Building.
February 10, 20187 yr Little Herman Lounge. 10616 Euclid Ave. 1968. One of Winston Willis's properties IIRC. Either a saint or a scoundrel, depending on who you ask. No in between.
February 14, 20187 yr A very early (1865) photograph (er, stereograph) shows horse-drawn carriages, carts and streetcars on Superior Ave. The text on the verso read: "Superior Street from Atwater Block." The view is looking east. Photographer was Thomas Sweeny. Source: @Cleveland_PL Digital Gallery. https://t.co/eJszwbzukK "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 16, 20187 yr #Cleveland, 1822/2018 - The Cleveland Academy, built nearly 200 years ago, near the northwest corner of St. Clair & Seneca (West 3rd) St. It was torn down in 1849. https://t.co/QprojxJewf Penton building on the same site (non-extant).
February 21, 20187 yr I've always been intrigued by Doan's Corners, especially since it no longer exists, but I've never seen this particular photo. I just wish it was better quality, but still, wow.
February 28, 20187 yr The Ohio Bell building in 1929 with the crown lit up and actual light in some windows. There was a proposal recently for a partial residential conversion. I think it is in ATT's hands right now as to what they want to do. Would be nice if something happened soon. http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2017/06/texas_developer_could_buy_down.html
March 1, 20187 yr 1947 At the first college sporting event televised in Cleveland, Western Reserve University’s basketball team defeated Fenn College at Adelbert Gym, 63-26. Funny enough , the photo is often confused as being from the first ever televised basketball game, according to the NCAA https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-02-27/first-televised-college-basketball-game-featured-pitt-and
March 1, 20187 yr The Ohio Bell building in 1929 with the crown lit up and actual light in some windows. There was a proposal recently for a partial residential conversion. I think it is in ATT's hands right now as to what they want to do. Would be nice if something happened soon. http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2017/06/texas_developer_could_buy_down.html Potentially some sweet views of Jacobs Field there. Best they cut a deal with the Indians before finalizing anything.
March 3, 20187 yr The Cuyahoga County Criminal Court Building in 1936—the Art Deco tower stood on E. 21 St. behind the Tower Press Building until it was demolished in 1997. The site is now a parking lot. (Photo from @OhioHistory) https://t.co/Z3G6CI8fGJ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 3, 20187 yr The Cuyahoga County Criminal Court Building in 1936—the Art Deco tower stood on E. 21 St. behind the Tower Press Building until it was demolished in 1997. The site is now a parking lot. (Photo from @OhioHistory) https://t.co/Z3G6CI8fGJ :( >:(
March 3, 20187 yr I think I can see the Euclid - East 120th Cleveland Transit System station which opened in 1955. And based on the color of the image I would say this is probably about 1960. And it's probably the only part of Cleveland whose density has increased since then. And it has increased significantly. Amazing photo. I'd love to see Aerial Agents do a modern comparison photo from today. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 3, 20187 yr I think this is after 1962. If you go to historicaerials.com you can see (blurry) aerial photos of University Circle, along with the rest of Cleveland, from 1962. In that image there appear to still be buildings on Euclid Avenue on the "Triangle" property. In your photo those have been demolished and the whole lot is a parking lot. Your photo also clearly shows the parking garage on Ford and Hessler, which does not yet seem to be constructed in the 1962 aerial photo. The next aerial photo is from 1970, which shows everything in your photo as far as I can tell.
March 5, 20187 yr I'd love to see Aerial Agents do a modern comparison photo from today. Here is my attempt
March 5, 20187 yr Nicely done, Musky. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 5, 20187 yr Pretty sure the photos is from the the 70s or even early 80s. You can see Musicians Towers in Cleveland Heights (c. 1970) and the Hillel and other student religious community centers behind Church of the Covenant (c. 1970s).
March 5, 20187 yr I'd very surprised if it was that late. Color photo quality was much better than that in the 1980s. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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