^I love the Garfield Monument, looming

Lots of new stuff, but the blue bldgs across from the tennis courts (bottom left) are gone. What were those? Not a big deal and allows for bigger development but the land is now a parking lot.

^Those were houses. Though by demo, they may have been chopped up into apartments, frats, institutional offices, etc. like the other houses in UC.

Can anyone put a date on this photo? 60's?

 

1978.

 

http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/herrick/id/50/rec/1

Amazing

I doubt that anyone here remembers Cleveland's legendary TV personality and journalist Dorothy Fuldheim (with co-host Bill Gordon). I vaguely remember the 1 O'Clock Club. It was the early 60's and I don't recall how controversial this show got, but in her earlier days, while visiting Germany, she had an informal conversation with Hitler (just prior to coming to power), after his aides refused to grant her a formal interview with him.

 

^Pretty cool pic

I like the makeshift look of the set. I think it was used by Captain Penny too -- lol

 

 

 

I doubt that anyone here remembers Cleveland's legendary TV personality and journalist Dorothy Fuldheim (with co-host Bill Gordon).

 

Sure I remember her. There's a few of us here in the 50+ club.

I doubt that anyone here remembers Cleveland's legendary TV personality and journalist Dorothy Fuldheim (with co-host Bill Gordon). I vaguely remember the 1 O'Clock Club. It was the early 60's and I don't recall how controversial this show got, but in her earlier days, while visiting Germany, she had an informal conversation with Hitler (just prior to coming to power), after his aides refused to grant her a formal interview with him.

 

 

She was still a strong presence on Cleveland TV in the late 70s and very early 80s.  I wonder if Hitler knew she was Jewish.

I like the makeshift look of the set. I think it was used by Captain Penny too -- lol

 

Then it didn't fool moms.

I doubt that anyone here remembers Cleveland's legendary TV personality and journalist Dorothy Fuldheim (with co-host Bill Gordon). I vaguely remember the 1 O'Clock Club. It was the early 60's and I don't recall how controversial this show got, but in her earlier days, while visiting Germany, she had an informal conversation with Hitler (just prior to coming to power), after his aides refused to grant her a formal interview with him.

 

 

She was still a strong presence on Cleveland TV in the late 70s and very early 80s.  I wonder if Hitler knew she was Jewish.

no, apparently he didn't know she was Jewish, and she spoke to him in German. Apparently Dorothy Fuldheim was once given an opportunity for a network job. I don't know if that was in TV or radio, since her career predated TV, but she refused because she would have had to move to New York, and didn't want to leave Cleveland. If she had, she probably would have been as famous as Barbara Walters.

I doubt that anyone here remembers Cleveland's legendary TV personality and journalist Dorothy Fuldheim (with co-host Bill Gordon). I vaguely remember the 1 O'Clock Club. It was the early 60's and I don't recall how controversial this show got, but in her earlier days, while visiting Germany, she had an informal conversation with Hitler (just prior to coming to power), after his aides refused to grant her a formal interview with him.

 

Look at the backdrop.  The show was targetted at stay at home moms who were still the majority then.  Celebrity interviews, maybe some light local news.  Recipes.  That sort of thing.

 

She was a trailblazer for women but she was still a woman in that era and had she signed nationally would have been stuck in even more of a niche.  Remember, Barbara Walters was 35 years younger than her.  1950 vs. 1985 were more different culturally than 1850 and 1950 in many ways. 

 

As a big fish in a little pond she was too damn talented and could do some weightier stuff like when she gave Jerry Rubin hell.  Which was only a small sample of how BS resistant she was in real life.

Great find, TPH2[/member]!

 

@TomHorsman

I wonder if Clevelanders in the 1850s got as excited as we do today when the @nytimes publishes a positive write-up about the city. From 9/29/1853: "Who would expect to find away up on the northern edge of Ohio, one of the prettiest and most prosperous cities the Union can boast"

 

 

@TomHorsman

This is what Cleveland looked like when that account was written.

Great find, TPH2[/member]!

 

@TomHorsman

I wonder if Clevelanders in the 1850s got as excited as we do today when the @nytimes publishes a positive write-up about the city. From 9/29/1853: "Who would expect to find away up on the northern edge of Ohio, one of the prettiest and most prosperous cities the Union can boast"

 

 

 

By 1853 it was Cleveland and not the city's actual name: Cleaveland.

 

Was the name spelling changed in the 1840s?  I know the spelling change related to being able to get the name Cleveland on newspapers so the ''a'' was dropped.

 

Great article btw.

@TomHorsman

This is what Cleveland looked like when that account was written.

 

Man I’d love to walk through that city. Hopefully I’ll live long enough for virtual reality to make that possible.

Great find, TPH2[/member]!

 

@TomHorsman

I wonder if Clevelanders in the 1850s got as excited as we do today when the @nytimes publishes a positive write-up about the city. From 9/29/1853: "Who would expect to find away up on the northern edge of Ohio, one of the prettiest and most prosperous cities the Union can boast"

 

 

 

By 1853 it was Cleveland and not the city's actual name: Cleaveland.

 

Was the name spelling changed in the 1840s?  I know the spelling change related to being able to get the name Cleveland on newspapers so the ''a'' was dropped.

 

Great article btw.

The NYTimes published many accounts of travel through the midwest during that time, as the railroads and canals made 'travel' possible from the East to Chicago and points west, and not just a slog through forests and swamps. They are fascinating reads about travel times, accommodations, food, forms of transportation. There are many accounts about competing routes between Toledo/Monroe MI and Chicago in the early 1850s.

^ No doubt. The Erie Canal was a big deal.

i wonder how many people remember this short lived inbetween plan between the domed stadium proposals and gateway?

 

the cleveland hexatron

 

 

 

the plan was nixed when they started looking at the central market area.

 

however, one big thing came out of it, the idea to use a sin tax.

 

 

Join me, friends, on a journey to the land of Cleveland’s never-constructed big transportation projects! ??? https://t.co/7yLB7uxHMI

Cleveland Municipal Stadium, ca 1935 - Well, I think we finally found a way to make this mammoth coliseum look tiny. Details with this photo put year between 1935-1943, but Great Lakes Exposition started in 1936 and was built to right of Indians ballpark so ca 1935 is a safe bet. And downtown would never be so densely developed again....maybe.

 

https://t.co/laONxXAcr7

Shows the full extent of how great the loss of the Hippodrome complex was to the density of Euclid/Prospect.

^And the southern portion of Holden on Vincent :'(

 

Thanks for posting KJP. Got lost in that image for a while.

i wonder how many people remember this short lived inbetween plan between the domed stadium proposals and gateway?

 

The image of Robert Corna's Hexatron with the land bridge and the parking deck concept was always my favorite. Very cool. Although if that had been built we would probably be replacing it around this time. It was ahead of its time for sure. BTW the second image is not of the Hexatron but the recently built TFBank stadium in Minneapolis. Very similar. Built for a measly 1.2 Billion.

Anything Bob Corona related shouldn’t see the light of day.

#TBT Image of Irishtown Bend in the #Cleveland Flats area ca. 1920s. #PhotoByWRHS

https://t.co/aK3A16UZRK

 

Click here for the origins of Irishtown Bend: https://t.co/bifNxzB55m

Amazing rush hour streetcar and pedestrian traffic jams in/near Public Square circa 1940s. This was when Cleveland transit ridership was at its all time high, at nearly 500 million riders per year, or roughly what the Toronto Transit Commission carries today, or about 15 times more than what Cleveland RTA carries now.

 

Amazing rush hour streetcar and pedestrian traffic jams in/near Public Square circa 1940s. This was when Cleveland transit ridership was at its all time high, at nearly 500 million riders per year, or roughly what the Toronto Transit Commission carries today, or about 15 times more than what Cleveland RTA carries now.

 

#1. That video saddens me

#2. It's AMAZING how we had a prime example of how to have a proper transit system especially TOD, in our own backyard and all of a sudden we treat it as if it's rocket science.

Public Square looks pretty vibrant back then.

It’s treated like rocket science because there are so many impediments to make it happen. A trade was made to directly dismantle all of it.

Rocky River toll bridge (1868). This is somewhat south of the present bridge. Source: @Cleveland_PL Digital Gallery. The railroad bridge is still more than a decade away, and this bridge crosses the river quite a bit lower than today's bridges.....

Great stuff KJP[/member]

BTW, notice the plank road. Detroit Road through Lakewood (actually Rockport Township back then) was a toll road because it was paved with planks to keep the wagons out of the mud. In fact, in the photo above, you can see the planks used to pave part of the road.

 

Also, when in Lakewood, be sure to check out The Plank Road Tavern, 16719 Detroit Rd. :)

 

Oh, and here's a toll booth on the Detroit Plank Road, which was privately owned, at about Warren Road (where downtown Lakewood is today)....

 

 

Also, when in Lakewood, be sure to check out The Plank Road Tavern, 16719 Detroit Rd. :)

 

 

 

Great call! I suggest burger night special on Monday’s.

Here’s how the corner of East 79th Street and Euclid Avenue looked about 90 years ago, long before Church Square and Rainbow Place. For more, see our Church Square story at https://t.co/u3afIyKbSS #CLE #Hough Images: @Cleve_Memory @Cleveland_PL

Kundtz Castle, Lakewood, Ohio (1899-1961) https://t.co/KlCO7PZHOd https://t.co/t3vrnYx5HB

^It's always bad to lose these historical buildings, and the 1960's homes that were built on the parcel are not that special...however that thing is like the 1899 version of a 1999 obnoxious, suburban, nouveau riche McMansion! With better quality materials of course. If saved, it probably could have been divided into some great condos on the lake though.

I was looking around on the internet the other day and came across a picture of the center of the Hough district that was taken pre-60's. I was surprised that it showed entire blocks that were packed with 3 and four story apartment buildings. I don't know if that pic is posted somewhere on here.

I have posted lots of pictures of Hough over the years. I will dig up some photos from the area that you're thinking of and repost it.

I mean the area around Shaker Square still is not unlike some parts of Queens, Wrigleyville, etc. Can't imagine what it was like in its hayday

I mean the area around Shaker Square still is not unlike some parts of Queens, Wrigleyville, etc. Can't imagine what it was like in its hayday

 

I was looking around on the internet the other day and came across a picture of the center of the Hough district that was taken pre-60's. I was surprised that it showed entire blocks that were packed with 3 and four story apartment buildings. I don't know if that pic is posted somewhere on here.

 

Here ya go......

 

Crazy how quickly the neighborhood rose and fell.  We may never see that amount of density in a neighborhood outside of Shaker Square again in our lifetimes. 

Crazy how quickly the neighborhood rose and fell.  We may never see that amount of density in a neighborhood outside of Shaker Square again in our lifetimes. 

 

If it weren't for NIMBYs, the Hingetown area would be getting closer, though on a much smaller scale.

Especially in the 1960s when Hough had 76,000 people, with 5- to 10-person families crowded into some single-room apartments.

^Hard to imagine why those people would feel the need to riot...

There are two types of population density.  One type is having a large number of adequate and safe housing units with a reasonable number people living in each unit.  The second is over crowding where you have too many in each housing unit.  The first is the good kind obviously.

Crazy how quickly the neighborhood rose and fell.  We may never see that amount of density in a neighborhood outside of Shaker Square again in our lifetimes. 

 

Shaker Square's density is sustained by a high-capacity transit line. Hough's density was sustained by frequent streetcars and, later, electric trolley buses. But as the city refused to subsidize the Cleveland Transit System, CTS was forced to cannibalize itself by selling off copper wires, trolley buses, their garages, etc. Hough was one of the first electric trolley bus lines cannibalized as was Woodland and East 105th. Diesel powered buses were provided, but operated at reduced frequency. Buses were overcrowded and left many people at the curb. So even if people could find jobs, they couldn't always get to them. That part still hasn't changed....

I was looking around on the internet the other day and came across a picture of the center of the Hough district that was taken pre-60's. I was surprised that it showed entire blocks that were packed with 3 and four story apartment buildings. I don't know if that pic is posted somewhere on here.

 

Here ya go......

 

 

 

It was the middle photo, with the area at the lower end-especially the lower left-that I was talking about. They are packed in there! It looks like the same area in the third pic.