Consider some of these then-n-now images of Hough....

 

Chester at East 84th -- 1981 vs 2009

Hough at East 81st -- 1966 vs 2000

"Cut rate drugs"

^As an aside, I love the way dress clothes dominated life, even for the lower class back then

Crawford Road at Brookline Ave -- 1962 Save Our Streets brigade vs 2000

Hough Ave. at Crawford Rd (it once continued north across Hough) -- 1966 vs 2000

I have checked out the area on google earth before. I just don't get the suburban housing developments in what was once a very dense neighborhood-and so close to downtown. It looks like going too far in the opposite direction. I understand it had turned into a ghetto and needed fixed, but damn.  If 76,000 lived there at one time (horrendous overcrowding), do even 7600 live there now?  Where those dense brick buildings were there is a cul-de-sac with two surviving buildings..but surrounded by mini-McMansions on large lots?????  Whose idea was that?

 

Also..

 

What do the people who live there now think? Are they pleased or satisfied with the way the area is now? I admit I not familiar with that area at all.

 

^Not pleased, but I think optimistic. Hough was once a notorious food desert with terrible crime. It has, in part, benefited from the Renaissance taking place in Cleveland's Uptown and University Circle.

There were probably some who welcomed the Solonesque mcmansions as a way of being able to enjoy suburban housing without the risks of living out in suburban areas where many inner-city residents have not felt welcomed.

 

And yes, there are some who believe that density causes crime. Access to opportunity causes density, and Hough was once a dense, middle- to upper-class neighborhood. Only density without access to opportunity causes poverty which in turn makes crime more likely.

Hough's political leadership has been pushing for this, and Cleveland's system of governance gives them substantial control over development.  Hough has a new councilman now so let's see what happens.

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A house on East 25th in 1965 #ThisWasCLE (from @Cleve_Memory http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/structure/id/47/rec/194 …)

^^I'm pretty sure that house is still there--between St Clair and Superior.

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1409+E+25th+St,+Cleveland,+OH+44114/@41.5102804,-81.6749533,3a,75y,63.25h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sxBczY4gvg18QeXppdmysbw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DxBczY4gvg18QeXppdmysbw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D86%26h%3D86%26yaw%3D63.25312%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8830fa68cb3a7d5b:0x4049ed11db056070!8m2!3d41.5103953!4d-81.674676

 

Wish there were more like it.

^^ Cool. Between that house and this Victorian 100 feet north gives you a good idea what this street probably looked like the turn of the last century.

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1409+E+25th+St,+Cleveland,+OH+44114/@41.5106823,-81.6752873,3a,75y,231.51h,94.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stPtLK5LkCsYNFq8DmJVxTQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8830fa68cb3a7d5b:0x4049ed11db056070!8m2!3d41.5103953!4d-81.674676

 

its hard to believe all those people lived in little hollywood, surely ohio’s densest neighborhood of all time, yet those couple/few photos are all i have ever seen of it.

^^ Cool. Between that house and this Victorian 100 feet north gives you a good idea what this street probably looked like the turn of the last century.

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1409+E+25th+St,+Cleveland,+OH+44114/@41.5106823,-81.6752873,3a,75y,231.51h,94.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stPtLK5LkCsYNFq8DmJVxTQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8830fa68cb3a7d5b:0x4049ed11db056070!8m2!3d41.5103953!4d-81.674676

 

 

Not quite sure; but most of the buildings in that area were not brick unfortunately but were wooden framed - see the key at https://cdm16014.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p4014coll24/id/1812/rec/11 and https://cdm16014.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p4014coll24/id/1818/rec/11

(for a close up view - see https://i.imgur.com/pGvb9DL.jpg ) I think the building (1409) in that CSU image wasn't even built until after 1912 (when the maps that I've included were made)

 

Most of the homes in that area were the wooden framed ones that you'd see at https://www.google.com/maps/place/1409+E+25th+St,+Cleveland,+OH+44114/@41.5104267,-81.6750801,3a,41.4y,52.98h,81.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJe1SE4zTTgB2XzYxnunhpw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8830fa68cb3a7d5b:0x4049ed11db056070!8m2!3d41.5103953!4d-81.674676

(still great density but not all brick) (note the address in my google maps view is incorrect; generally on north/south streets; the eastern side of the street has odd address numbers.

 

View of #Cleveland Southward from the roof of the Society for Savings Building (1896). Source: @Cleveland_PL

^ That's awesome. The lack of anything over a few stories is strange to see. For fun, here is a 3D Google map view from approx the same angle. The images haven't been updated in a while since it is the old Public Squre. Still kind of cool.

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5005289,-81.6940813,50a,35y,149.63h,78.99t/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

One of the shortest buildings in the 1896 view is Swetland's candy store. He and his wife did OK for themselves because the second-oldest building on Public Square (after the Old Stone Church) is the Park Building which the Swetland's built in 1904. And the grandson of the Swetlands sold that building in 2006 for the condo redevelopment. So the Swetland's 19th-century origins remain on the square in the 21st century. Details: http://theparkbuilding.com/index.php?section=about_the_building

 

BTW, the Swetland family also built 1010 Euclid Avenue which is part of the massive redevelopment of the SE corner of East 9th and Euclid, including Heinen's whose store extends into the first floor of 1010 Euclid.

.@e4thst (1950). Source: @Cleveland_PL Digital Gallery. @thiswascle @butchrandbrewer @DowntownCLE @CleCityCouncil @TowerLightsCLE #hatworks #Cleveland https://t.co/UmMNCzP4es

An historic vantage point of the Square that I've never seen before....

 

West side of the Public Square looking toward the old Court House about 1870. Source: @Cleveland_PL Digital Gallery.

That skinny, 17-story Central National Bank building near East 4th and Euclid completely changes the density of Lower Euclid. Sure wish we still had it. It would have made a wonderful housing conversion. Is it too late to demolish the House of Blues and build a modern Central National Apartments??

 

Circa 1940 picture of @CLEPublicSquare with the Williamson Building and the Soldiers and Sailors Monument

http://www.ohiomemory.org/cdm/fullbrowser/collection/p267401coll32/id/14751/rv/singleitem/rec/1

 

^I apologize KJP[/member], but doesn't that picture indicate that the location of that building would be what is now 200 Public Sq?

^Woops! NVM, scratch that KJP[/member]

I still lament the lose of the Williamson and Cuyahoga Buildings (probably one of the few current members of UO who was actually inside both buildings).  They would make great apartments on the Square today.

 

It would have been much better if SOHIO could have grabbed the more nondescript buildings on the Northwest corner of the square (where the Jacob lot is now) and built its headquarters there.  Hindsight is a lovely thing.

^Even better if Sohio had built on one of the plentiful (even then) surface lots off the square. Colored by hindsight, obviously, but so ridiculous that they insisted on such a prominent location to fit their self perception of huge local corporate stature, only to cease being a Cleveland thing so soon after.

I was never inside the Cuyahoga and Williamson buildings, but I did take photos of them when my dad gave me a walking tour of the Cleveland Union Terminal and surroundings in June 1980. It was part of CUT's 50th anniversary events and I was two months shy of my 13th birthday. We walked up the ramps from CUT to the portico on Public Square, stuck our heads out on to the square, snapped a few pics, and then went back down into the old terminal including to track level where the track was still there for the Erie-Lackawanna commuter train from Youngstown came in until January 14, 1977. I thank my dad for my love of trains, transit, Cleveland and history. And every time there's a new development, I still find myself reaching for the phone to tell him about it, except there's no cell service in heaven. You'd think there would be....

From my book "On The Grow With Cleveland" 1890-1965 - Central National Bank's 75th Anniversary.

So many of those buildings (Like the Superior Bldg now) were built in that L shape..

So many of those buildings (Like the Superior Bldg now) were built in that L shape..

 

That's how you used to have to do it before air conditioning came around.

^Can you enlighten me as to why. I honestly have no idea.

^Can you enlighten me as to why. I honestly have no idea.

 

It was to maximize the amount of interior space that had direct access to the perimeter of the building. The windows allowed for ventilation and airflow to make the environment in the building more pleasant. It was also to increase the amount of sunlight that got into the inside of the building.

From my book "On The Grow With Cleveland" 1890-1965 - Central National Bank's 75th Anniversary.

 

 

Your book? But the author is Rose Marie Jollie and you're Florida GUY. BTW, I have this book. It was from my late father's collection.

I wrote it before I was born ;) Here is another pic from the book.

So many of those buildings (Like the Superior Bldg now) were built in that L shape..

 

That's how you used to have to do it before air conditioning came around.

 

Probably more constructive than the reason why Ford Willow Run was built in an L shape.

How unbelievable would Short Vincent be today if we'd have saved it. Although, I am a little more sympathetic to the reasoning as to why people wanted this street gone than PHS or other areas that could have went by the wayside altogether.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Shouldn't that be in the Cleveland La Cosa Nostra thread? ;)

 

Seriously, like everything else the mob touches, it has a mercurial rise, a tremendous decade or so, then a spectacular crash as they bust out their stake and walk away like locusts moving on to the next field. See Flats East Bank...

^Lol FEB and shady biz, Cleveland's not-so-well-kept secret.

^Lol FEB and shady biz, Cleveland's not-so-well-kept secret.

 

Hmm, that owner of the Odeon DOES have a penchant for track-suits.

Any pinky rings? Black Lincoln Continental? A neck?

CWRU art|sci

@CWRUartsci

Apr 26

#ThrowbackThursday to this cool old University Circle and @cwru map! Recognize anything?

 

I could't picture where Vincent avenue was so I looked at Google maps. I wish I didn't. Vincent avenue looks eerily similar to what East 4th is today, it could've been a nice pedestrian alley like 4th is. I know it is off topic but does anyone know if it is extremely expensive or even possible to put retail at the bottom of those garages? I feel like that was mentioned when Cleveland was talking zoning changes downtown to pump life into parking havens like Vincent.

now this was an on point hipstery menu for the 1960s!  8)

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.cleveland.com/music/index.ssf/2010/06/la_cave_reunion_concerts_celeb.html

Tammi Minoski

@TammiMinoski

#OTD 1865: The #LincolnFuneralTrain arrived in Cleveland where the public viewing was held @CLEPublicSquare. In 15 hours, 150,000 mourners passed by Lincoln's coffin.  https://case.edu/ech/articles/a/abraham-lincolns-funeral/ … #AbrahamLincoln #USHistory

 

Cleveland Municipal Stadium. Source: @Cleveland_PL Photograph Collection.

 

Playhouse Square restaurants and hotels of the past.

Looking southwest towards Public Square from Mall, during demolition of downtown #Cleveland College of Western Reserve University (1953). Terminal Tower in background, and Federal court house at left. Source: @Cleveland_PL @TowerLightsCLE @CleCityCouncil @thiswascle @EncyCle_ https://t.co/mvnKsyyc6s

 

 

Looking southwest towards Public Square from Mall, during demolition of downtown #Cleveland College of Western Reserve University (1953). Terminal Tower in background, and Federal court house at left. Source: @Cleveland_PL @TowerLightsCLE @CleCityCouncil @thiswascle @EncyCle_ https://t.co/mvnKsyyc6s

 

Imo one of the greatest architectural losses to Cleveland.  The building complimented the Malls and Public Square in scale and grandeur

 

Prospect houses next to YMCA.

bummer