March 31, 20205 yr Converting the shoreway to a boulevard would be nice, however, we'd still have the rail tracks. Seems like the best option is to leave the shoreway as is and build a bridge (or two, or three) to connect downtown to the lakefront. Edited March 31, 20205 yr by skiwest
March 31, 20205 yr 14 minutes ago, skiwest said: Converting the shoreway to a boulevard would be nice, however, we'd still have the rail tracks. Seems like the best option is it leave the shoreway as is and build a bridge (or two, or three) to connect downtown to the lakefront. People have posted conceptual pics before with the Shoreway converted to a boulevard. The amount of developable land that it would open up is tremendous. Converting it to an at-grade street would be totally worth it, even with the rail lines still there.
April 1, 20205 yr Back then, the Tick Tock Tavern was called..... the Tick Tock Grill! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 2, 20205 yr puritas springs park westpark http://westparkhistory.com/Articles/PuritasSprings/PuritasSprings.htm
April 5, 20205 yr I joined the Facebook group Cleveland - Now and Then - Architectural History and one of the many wonderful posted comparison photos is below. This makes me wonder - could that horrible “modern” facade on the Bluebridge building be torn off and the original restored? The original cornice is particularly nice. It’s really the only ugly building left along that stretch of Euclid. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
April 5, 20205 yr Bond Clothing Store on the NW corner of Euclid Avenue and East 9th in the 1960s and 70s. Current location of PNC bank tower. Edited April 5, 20205 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 6, 20205 yr ^^ Great pics and I love that building. Question for anyone who saw it in the flesh, so to speak. Was color was it? That darker brown in the first pic, or the much sandier color in the other two? I know the first pic is probably taken with it in shadow, but all the color pictures I’ve seen of it always seem to show it in two very different hues. Edited April 6, 20205 yr by roman totale XVII My hovercraft is full of eels
April 6, 20205 yr ^ Thanks. I also just found some detail online saying it was made from pink granite and terra-cotta, so that makes sense. My hovercraft is full of eels
April 12, 20205 yr From the Facebook group "Cleveland - Now and Then - Architectural History".... Saengerfest Hall, constructed in 1893, was located at East 55th St. and Scovill Ave. and had a seating capacity of about 9,000. SAENGERFESTS, national gatherings of German singing societies, were a major vehicle for the development of music in Cleveland. The first Saengerfest (Singing Festival) in Cleveland took place 28-30 May 1855; it was the 7th such event in America. The purpose of the Saengerfest was to exchange visits among the various German singing societies so they could hear one another and celebrate their German heritage. Cleveland's Saengerfest Hall may have lasted only until the early 1900s. East Tech was built on the site in 1908. It was nearly condemned in 1897 as was noted in this March 31, 1897 PD article.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 13, 20205 yr https://www.bygonely.com/cleveland-historical-photos-1900s/ Cleveland at the beginning of the 20th century
April 16, 20205 yr Jim's Steakhouse postcard from the late 1950s? Edited April 16, 20205 yr by Dougal Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
April 16, 20205 yr On 4/13/2020 at 2:47 PM, Eastside said: https://www.bygonely.com/cleveland-historical-photos-1900s/ Cleveland at the beginning of the 20th century I love the look of the summertime awnings on the buildings. I can only remember the Osborn Building (Huron and Prospect) having them. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
April 18, 20205 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 18, 20205 yr Was there no nightlife on the West Side in 1930s Cleveland, except for the Lido & the Lake Shore shown with the arrow? In the 1930s, my aunts & uncle from Shaker Heights visited jazz clubs along Cedar & Scovill to listen to music, smoke marijuana & drink. Dad was too young. Edited April 18, 20205 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 18, 20205 yr Short Vincent isn't on that map. I thought it was already underway at least as far back as Prohibition.
April 19, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: Was there no nightlife on the West Side in 1930s Cleveland, except for the Lido & the Lake Shore shown with the arrow? In the 1930s, my aunts & uncle from Shaker Heights visited jazz clubs along Cedar & Scovill to listen to music, smoke marijuana & drink. Dad was too young. My family has some less than savory roots on organized crime on the westside and downtown... And there's at least 2-3 spots I can point out off the top of my head that are missing, though that might've been by design at the time.
April 19, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, X said: Short Vincent isn't on that map. I thought it was already underway at least as far back as Prohibition. It’s where that “dancing” building is. You can see Freddie’s and I believe the “Barbecue” which were on Vincent.
April 24, 20205 yr Amazing photo. I think this is the first time I've ever seen a photo of the interior of the Sherriff's Street Market that burned down in the 1930s. The south building survived and later became the Central Market after 1948.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 26, 20205 yr Sometimes it's worth posting then-and-now photos. This is one of those times. This is looking at the NW corner of Erie/East 9th Street and Euclid. The old photo is from shortly after the Hickox Building was built in 1890 (demolished 1947 for the Art Deco Bond Clothing store) on the NW corner of the intersection. Today, it is the PNC Bank building (former National City Bank headquarters built in 1980). It's amazing how out of scale the Hickox Building was (as was the Rose Building on the NW corner of Prospect and East 9th) in this era of rapid development of Cleveland and its downtown..... Edited April 26, 20205 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 26, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Sometimes it's worth posting then-and-now photos. This is one of those times. This is looking at the NW corner of Erie/East 9th Street and Euclid. The old photo is from shortly after the Hickox Building was built in 1890 (demolished 1947 for the Art Deco Bond Clothing store) on the NW corner of the intersection. Today, it is the PNC Bank building (former National City Bank headquarters built in 1980). It's amazing how out of scale the Hickox Building was (as was the Rose Building on the NW corner of Prospect and East 9th) in this era of rapid development of Cleveland and its downtown..... The Hickox building replaced this church. The clock supposedly was reused in the Hickox building.
April 26, 20205 yr There were two churches at the East 9th -Euclid intersection? There was one at the SE corner, replaced by the Cleveland Trust rotunda. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 26, 20205 yr 19 minutes ago, KJP said: There were two churches at the East 9th -Euclid intersection? There was one at the SE corner, replaced by the Cleveland Trust rotunda. Correct. The First Methodist Episcopal Church's third location was at the SE corner. They used the money from the sale of that church to build the new one at Euclid and East 30th Street. This one was originally built in 1853 as the Plymouth Congregational Church the became the 1st Baptist Church in 1955. This was the later version. I know there is a photo of how this one looked before the massive steeple was added somewhere.
April 26, 20205 yr It’s such a shame the Hickox (which by some photos had the exterior detailing quality as the old arcade, same architect too I believe) and the building to the west were demolished for far lesser structures. Obviously the same can be said for what the Woolworth store replaced at Euclid and E3rd.
May 1, 20205 yr Love all the skinny, ornate buildings on Euclid Avenue in 1911 and the Superblock in the 1930s. Albert Porter couldn't wait to get rid of the old Central Market, which he called a traffic hazard. He and the Norman Bel Geddes' of the world never understood that vibrant cities and lots of fast-moving cars are contradictions. A bigger reason for getting rid of that market house, which had been at that location since the 1840s, was the increasingly common use of refrigeration by then, not to mention the growth of supermarkets. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 3, 20205 yr Wow. And I'll bet people in those small towns came out in the middle of the night to see Lincoln's funeral train. It must've stopped in all of those towns, accounting for the 7-hour trip. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 3, 20205 yr Why don't we have cool public spaces atop more of our big buildings? Penthouse “27”. Forest Park Tower. Featuring Kim Tolliver. Source: @Cleveland_PL in March 1, 1975 Cleveland Call and Post. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 3, 20205 yr Wow. Look at some of those amazing buildings on the Flats West Bank. They would have made great housing conversions. Thankfully, something even bigger may be coming. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 3, 20205 yr What?? Is Jacobs getting ready to pull the trigger? I have zero faith in him unless he manages to link his property with someone who actually has deep pockets and experience in getting a large project off the ground. That being said, what worries me more in a general sense is that the massive economic fallout from covid-19 will put a serious hurt on most of the development projects that were close to being announced. I'm afraid that after the dust settles we will find that much of the Cleveland momentum will stall out. Just like with the Great Recession we could lose 2-3 years of project time.
May 3, 20205 yr Cadman, agree with you regarding the massive economic fallout from Covid-19. Surely, projects that were close to being announced will be delayed, but how about those that have been announced, yet not started. Will this fallout be another roadblock for nuCLEus, resulting in more delays, scale backs/revisions or outright cancellation? How will this alter the views of corporate office management who have now seen nearly 2 months of full time teleworking? What will this do for the demand for expensive rental apartment buildings and luxury apartment developments all over the area? The projections on the losses for dining establishments are scary.
May 4, 20205 yr Read the development threads. Very few projects are getting delayed or canceled. And no, Jeff Jacobs is not involved in the development of his Flats properties. Edited May 4, 20205 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 4, 20205 yr A key word that has is being left off is "YET". We are only about 2 months into the Covid-19 impact on the economy. Governments at all levels are being impacted by significant tax revenue loses. Projections for lost tax revenues in the future are significant. If developers are trying to put together deals with government entities, the prospects of losing more tax revenue will impact those partnerships. Nobody knows how much damage has been impacted on the economy. The fallout of major stock market drops hits months later. We are seeing just the early stages. History is filled with projects that ended up dying on paper and with minimal/partial work being done when the money runs out when the real impact of a major economic downturn sets in. Edited May 4, 20205 yr by LifeLongClevelander
May 4, 20205 yr Ok, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. But I urge you to read the relevant threads about how the residential real estate market is staying active in Cleveland or that companies realize how much more productive they are when people can work, collaborate and innovate together with proximity. This is not the thread for this discussion. The there are threads on the Coronavirus, population, offices, etc. for these discussions. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 4, 20205 yr 8 hours ago, LifeLongClevelander said: Nobody knows how much damage has been impacted on the economy. The fallout of major stock market drops hits months later. We are seeing just the early stages. History is filled with projects that ended up dying on paper and with minimal/partial work being done when the money runs out when the real impact of a major economic downturn sets in. IMO the next crisis will come this fall in the form of a commercial real estate implosion. No retailers or restaurants are paying their rents now. If there are any bundled securities, this is where it will start....
May 4, 20205 yr I responded here... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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