Posted December 15, 200915 yr This morning at 10:00 AM PST, the Boeing 787, the first predominately all carbon fiber airliner, will make its first flight weather permitting. I would imagine this will be aprox 3 hours testing basic flight characteristcs and systems.
December 15, 200915 yr On time and on budget... ::) We wont see this for another year and frankly I'm not so sure I want to ride the 787!
December 15, 200915 yr On time and on budget... ::) We wont see this for another year and frankly I'm not so sure I want to ride the 787! ^ oh the drama -- you really earned your handle on that! :laugh: the morning news said the new boeing assembly plant for these is in the carolinas. too bad not ohio. :|
December 15, 200915 yr Hehe, the mister worked on a little bit of stuff for the 787! I worked on the GEnX, the GE engine for the 787, while I was at GE. I would probably still be there if this freakin thing had maintained some sort of schedule. Oh well, that hiring freeze is what brought me to the beautiful city of Cleveland!
December 15, 200915 yr From my snoops at PAE..... Rotation at 145kts IAS and 20 degrees flaps... Gross weight 390,000 lbs... Will fly at 250 kts at FL150
December 15, 200915 yr Did anyone watch the live-feed??? My god a what beautiful jet! The wing flex on take-off was really noticable. Very graceful. The raked wing-tips are very aesthetic.
December 15, 200915 yr ^Sounds like a perfect question for wikipedia! Looks like anywhere from 210 to 330. The variant that flew today I'm assuming is the 787-8 which will seat 210-250 depending on the seat configuration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787
December 15, 200915 yr How many passengers? 250 on the version being tested now, other versions will hold 290 and 330.
December 15, 200915 yr [the morning news said the new boeing assembly plant for these is in the carolinas. too bad not ohio. :| Final assembly is still in Washinton, but some fuselage sections are being constructed in South Carolina.
December 15, 200915 yr Two assembly lines, Everett, Washington and Charleston, SC Final assembly will take place in Everett, Washington at Boeing's main facility. The facility in Charelston, South Carolina manufactures large sub-assemblies (fuselage sections I believe) which are then flown to Everett for final assembly. I don't think Boeing has multiple final assembly facilities for any of the aircraft they manufacture... past or present.
December 15, 200915 yr Bring back the concorde! I know, right... It cost $500.00 to non-rev and it was worth every cent. Also rode jump seat but they would always tell me to go back and take a seat if I wanted.
December 15, 200915 yr Two assembly lines, Everett, Washington and Charleston, SC Final assembly will take place in Everett, Washington at Boeing's main facility. The facility in Charelston, South Carolina manufactures large sub-assemblies (fuselage sections I believe) which are then flown to Everett for final assembly. I don't think Boeing has multiple final assembly facilities for any of the aircraft they manufacture... past or present. No... Boeing is building a second assembly line in SC
December 15, 200915 yr ^OK, thanks for the correction. I was not aware that they were constructing a second assembly line.
December 15, 200915 yr Bring back the concorde! I know, right... It cost $500.00 to non-rev and it was worth every cent. Also rode jump seat but they would always tell me to go back and take a seat if I wanted. I was only on it once. But it was fabulous!
December 16, 200915 yr Bring back the concorde! I know, right... It cost $500.00 to non-rev and it was worth every cent. Also rode jump seat but they would always tell me to go back and take a seat if I wanted. I was only on it once. But it was fabulous! The only way to fly baby.... There was another French (yea I know the Brits had a hand in Concorde) jet from back in the day: The Caravelle... United flew them in and out of CLE for most of the '60s. Noisy as hell but ever so elegant.
December 17, 200915 yr ... There was another French (yea I know the Brits had a hand in Concorde) jet from back in the day: The Caravelle... United flew them in and out of CLE for most of the '60s. Noisy as hell but ever so elegant. The Caravelle was sweet. I was stationed at Dover AFB in the '60s, and would catch a Trailways bus from Dover to Philadelphia to come home on leave. The drivers would go off-route and drop me right at the terminal when I traveled in uniform. I can't remember just what the routing to Fort Wayne was any more, whether via Cleveland or Toledo, but the first leg, out of Philadelphia, sometimes was a Caravelle. Pure luxury compared to the DC-6s that usually flew in and out of Fort Wayne. There was another plane they'd use sometimes, a turboprop with Rolls-Royce engines (Edit: I just remembered, it was the Vickers Viscount). If I remember correctly, United got them when they acquired another airline - maybe Capital? The passenger cabin was rather claustrophobic for headroom, but once you were in a seat it was comfy as heaven, and one of the smoothest, quietest planes I ever rode in. There was no perceptible vibration whatever, and only the slightest audible whine. Compared with most of what I've traveled on in recent years, even the DC-6 was more comfortable. It was noisy and slow, but the seats were big and comfy and there was plenty of legroom. Besides, they often flew low enough that in good weather the view of everything below was detailed.
December 17, 200915 yr ... There was another French (yea I know the Brits had a hand in Concorde) jet from back in the day: The Caravelle... United flew them in and out of CLE for most of the '60s. Noisy as hell but ever so elegant. The Caravelle was sweet. I was stationed at Dover AFB in the '60s, and would catch a Trailways bus from Dover to Philadelphia to come home on leave. The drivers would go off-route and drop me right at the terminal when I traveled in uniform. I can't remember just what the routing to Fort Wayne was any more, whether via Cleveland or Toledo, but the first leg, out of Philadelphia, sometimes was a Caravelle. Pure luxury compared to the DC-6s that usually flew in and out of Fort Wayne. There was another plane they'd use sometimes, a turboprop with Rolls-Royce engines (Edit: I just remembered, it was the Vickers Viscount). If I remember correctly, United got them when they acquired another airline - maybe Capital? The passenger cabin was rather claustrophobic for headroom, but once you were in a seat it was comfy as heaven, and one of the smoothest, quietest planes I ever rode in. There was no perceptible vibration whatever, and only the slightest audible whine. Compared with most of what I've traveled on in recent years, even the DC-6 was more comfortable. It was noisy and slow, but the seats were big and comfy and there was plenty of legroom. Besides, they often flew low enough that in good weather the view of everything below was detailed. My god man I'de take a DC-6 over ANYTHING lol. Oh as a kid I remember the end of the piston era. DC-6's, 7, Lockheed Constellation (L-749, L-1049, L-1649), Convair 240s, 340's 440's and yes even a daily Boeing Stratocrusier (Northwest) to ORD. The Viscount was a turboprop ans were the Lockheed Electras. Air Canada flew Viscounts to CLE well in to the '70s. They also flew the Vanguard (a bigger Viscount essentially). But those were real airplanes. You knew you were flying lol. They leaked oil, spit flames, backfired. I have an old picturen of CLE from the air. In the picture, Concourse C is just about finishing up construction. No jetways installed yet. The old A & B have not been remodeld and if you look at the tarmac you can see where the old piston engine aircraft leaked oil while parked. I would love to re-experience those days.
December 17, 200915 yr Is there a video available of the first flight? not a video, but i saw an article with a sweet huge photo of it taking off on the cover of the wsj. i saw it on the news too, gotta be video around...!
December 17, 200915 yr ... There was another French (yea I know the Brits had a hand in Concorde) jet from back in the day: The Caravelle... United flew them in and out of CLE for most of the '60s. Noisy as hell but ever so elegant. The Caravelle was sweet. I was stationed at Dover AFB in the '60s, and would catch a Trailways bus from Dover to Philadelphia to come home on leave. The drivers would go off-route and drop me right at the terminal when I traveled in uniform. I can't remember just what the routing to Fort Wayne was any more, whether via Cleveland or Toledo, but the first leg, out of Philadelphia, sometimes was a Caravelle. Pure luxury compared to the DC-6s that usually flew in and out of Fort Wayne. There was another plane they'd use sometimes, a turboprop with Rolls-Royce engines (Edit: I just remembered, it was the Vickers Viscount). If I remember correctly, United got them when they acquired another airline - maybe Capital? The passenger cabin was rather claustrophobic for headroom, but once you were in a seat it was comfy as heaven, and one of the smoothest, quietest planes I ever rode in. There was no perceptible vibration whatever, and only the slightest audible whine. Compared with most of what I've traveled on in recent years, even the DC-6 was more comfortable. It was noisy and slow, but the seats were big and comfy and there was plenty of legroom. Besides, they often flew low enough that in good weather the view of everything below was detailed. My god man I'de take a DC-6 over ANYTHING lol. Oh as a kid I remember the end of the piston era. DC-6's, 7, Lockheed Constellation (L-749, L-1049, L-1649), Convair 240s, 340's 440's and yes even a daily Boeing Stratocrusier (Northwest) to ORD. The Viscount was a turboprop ans were the Lockheed Electras. Air Canada flew Viscounts to CLE well in to the '70s. They also flew the Vanguard (a bigger Viscount essentially). But those were real airplanes. You knew you were flying lol. They leaked oil, spit flames, backfired. I have an old picturen of CLE from the air. In the picture, Concourse C is just about finishing up construction. No jetways installed yet. The old A & B have not been remodeld and if you look at the tarmac you can see where the old piston engine aircraft leaked oil while parked. I would love to re-experience those days. Please post the picture. I remember when when I was a kid, we (my father, my brother and I), would ride the Rapid to the Airport, get an Ice Cream cone and then sit on the observation deck and plane watch. We would try to figure out which plane my Mom was on. Yep, my Dad is a cheap date!
December 17, 200915 yr ... There was another French (yea I know the Brits had a hand in Concorde) jet from back in the day: The Caravelle... United flew them in and out of CLE for most of the '60s. Noisy as hell but ever so elegant. The Caravelle was sweet. I was stationed at Dover AFB in the '60s, and would catch a Trailways bus from Dover to Philadelphia to come home on leave. The drivers would go off-route and drop me right at the terminal when I traveled in uniform. I can't remember just what the routing to Fort Wayne was any more, whether via Cleveland or Toledo, but the first leg, out of Philadelphia, sometimes was a Caravelle. Pure luxury compared to the DC-6s that usually flew in and out of Fort Wayne. There was another plane they'd use sometimes, a turboprop with Rolls-Royce engines (Edit: I just remembered, it was the Vickers Viscount). If I remember correctly, United got them when they acquired another airline - maybe Capital? The passenger cabin was rather claustrophobic for headroom, but once you were in a seat it was comfy as heaven, and one of the smoothest, quietest planes I ever rode in. There was no perceptible vibration whatever, and only the slightest audible whine. Compared with most of what I've traveled on in recent years, even the DC-6 was more comfortable. It was noisy and slow, but the seats were big and comfy and there was plenty of legroom. Besides, they often flew low enough that in good weather the view of everything below was detailed. My god man I'de take a DC-6 over ANYTHING lol. Oh as a kid I remember the end of the piston era. DC-6's, 7, Lockheed Constellation (L-749, L-1049, L-1649), Convair 240s, 340's 440's and yes even a daily Boeing Stratocrusier (Northwest) to ORD. The Viscount was a turboprop ans were the Lockheed Electras. Air Canada flew Viscounts to CLE well in to the '70s. They also flew the Vanguard (a bigger Viscount essentially). But those were real airplanes. You knew you were flying lol. They leaked oil, spit flames, backfired. I have an old picturen of CLE from the air. In the picture, Concourse C is just about finishing up construction. No jetways installed yet. The old A & B have not been remodeld and if you look at the tarmac you can see where the old piston engine aircraft leaked oil while parked. I would love to re-experience those days. Please post the picture. I remember when when I was a kid, we (my father, my brother and I), would ride the Rapid to the Airport, get an Ice Cream cone and then sit on the observation deck and plane watch. We would try to figure out which plane my Mom was on. Yep, my Dad is a cheap date! Baby he may have been cheap but an afternoon on that old observation deck was priceless.
December 17, 200915 yr Is there a video available of the first flight? not a video, but i saw an article with a sweet huge photo of it taking off on the cover of the wsj. i saw it on the news too, gotta be video around...! Go to www.boeing.com and then the commercial airplanes link
December 17, 200915 yr ... There was another French (yea I know the Brits had a hand in Concorde) jet from back in the day: The Caravelle... United flew them in and out of CLE for most of the '60s. Noisy as hell but ever so elegant. The Caravelle was sweet. I was stationed at Dover AFB in the '60s, and would catch a Trailways bus from Dover to Philadelphia to come home on leave. The drivers would go off-route and drop me right at the terminal when I traveled in uniform. I can't remember just what the routing to Fort Wayne was any more, whether via Cleveland or Toledo, but the first leg, out of Philadelphia, sometimes was a Caravelle. Pure luxury compared to the DC-6s that usually flew in and out of Fort Wayne. There was another plane they'd use sometimes, a turboprop with Rolls-Royce engines (Edit: I just remembered, it was the Vickers Viscount). If I remember correctly, United got them when they acquired another airline - maybe Capital? The passenger cabin was rather claustrophobic for headroom, but once you were in a seat it was comfy as heaven, and one of the smoothest, quietest planes I ever rode in. There was no perceptible vibration whatever, and only the slightest audible whine. Compared with most of what I've traveled on in recent years, even the DC-6 was more comfortable. It was noisy and slow, but the seats were big and comfy and there was plenty of legroom. Besides, they often flew low enough that in good weather the view of everything below was detailed. My god man I'de take a DC-6 over ANYTHING lol. Oh as a kid I remember the end of the piston era. DC-6's, 7, Lockheed Constellation (L-749, L-1049, L-1649), Convair 240s, 340's 440's and yes even a daily Boeing Stratocrusier (Northwest) to ORD. The Viscount was a turboprop ans were the Lockheed Electras. Air Canada flew Viscounts to CLE well in to the '70s. They also flew the Vanguard (a bigger Viscount essentially). But those were real airplanes. You knew you were flying lol. They leaked oil, spit flames, backfired. I have an old picturen of CLE from the air. In the picture, Concourse C is just about finishing up construction. No jetways installed yet. The old A & B have not been remodeld and if you look at the tarmac you can see where the old piston engine aircraft leaked oil while parked. I would love to re-experience those days. Please post the picture. I remember when when I was a kid, we (my father, my brother and I), would ride the Rapid to the Airport, get an Ice Cream cone and then sit on the observation deck and plane watch. We would try to figure out which plane my Mom was on. Yep, my Dad is a cheap date! Baby he may have been cheap but an afternoon on that old observation deck was priceless. "May?" The man is cheap! I loved the observation deck! I'm so pissed it's locked off. Sitting out there and my mom being an FA, are two reasons I love to fly.
December 18, 200915 yr For what airline was she an FA? I'm guessing UAL. Did you non-rev alot? No American. She flew CLE-JFK then to either Madrid, Paris or Rome, but mostly Paris. In the 80s when AA was building up MIA & SJU she would fly CLE-MIA or SJU then on to CCS or some island. My father father hated that. Since we flew to PR or Panama frequently, us kids always got to play in the cockpit or see the inside of the cargo hold. But there were way to many of us to go non rev. Then my parents would go to Paris twice a year, so they would go non rev for that.
December 19, 200915 yr ... The Viscount was a turboprop ans were the Lockheed Electras. Air Canada flew Viscounts to CLE well in to the '70s ... I flew on an Electra just once, so far as I can remember. In the spring of 1962, after completling USAF Basic Training at Lackland AFB, I flew home from San Antonio. There had been two or three disastrous crashes involving Electras just prior to that, and they were considering grounding them until they could find out if there was something wrong with the design of the plane. There was a major storm raging across much of the Central US, and it the weather was rainy in San Antonio. They announded my flight for boarding, and as I walked out the gate (no jetways then), there sat a Braniff World Airways Lockheed Electra. My mood changed from anticipation to dread. The weather joined forces with the plane to make for an unpleasant flight; Even before we got into the bad weather and the ride turned bumpy, the cabin was noisy as hell and the vibration was awful.
December 19, 200915 yr ... The Viscount was a turboprop ans were the Lockheed Electras. Air Canada flew Viscounts to CLE well in to the '70s ... I flew on an Electra just once, so far as I can remember. In the spring of 1962, after completling USAF Basic Training at Lackland AFB, I flew home from San Antonio. There had been two or three disastrous crashes involving Electras just prior to that, and they were considering grounding them until they could find out if there was something wrong with the design of the plane. There was a major storm raging across much of the Central US, and it the weather was rainy in San Antonio. They announded my flight for boarding, and as I walked out the gate (no jetways then), there sat a Braniff World Airways Lockheed Electra. My mood changed from anticipation to dread. The weather joined forces with the plane to make for an unpleasant flight; Even before we got into the bad weather and the ride turned bumpy, the cabin was noisy as hell and the vibration was awful. But it was Braniff, the most fabulous airline.
December 24, 200915 yr The second 787 flew her first sortie on December 22nd. Gotta love flight tracker. While doing her stalls the IAS was 66kts at one point. They must have practically stood her on her tail.
December 24, 200915 yr The second 787 flew her first sortie on December 22nd. Gotta love flight tracker. While doing her stalls the IAS was 66kts at one point. They must have practically stood her on her tail. English please.
December 24, 200915 yr I'm sorry... It's 6:30am here in L.A. and I was waiting for hotel restaurant to open for breakfast.... BUT, IAS is Indicated AirSpeed.
December 24, 200915 yr I'm sorry... It's 6:30am here in L.A. and I was waiting for hotel restaurant to open for breakfast.... BUT, IAS is Indicated AirSpeed. Hanging out at Jewel's Catch one, now your going to fly back to the East.
December 24, 200915 yr I'm sorry... It's 6:30am here in L.A. and I was waiting for hotel restaurant to open for breakfast.... BUT, IAS is Indicated AirSpeed. Hanging out at Jewel's Catch one, now your going to fly back to the East. lol only for hip hop nite... yea i fly the red-eye back the ATL tonite
December 24, 200915 yr I'm sorry... It's 6:30am here in L.A. and I was waiting for hotel restaurant to open for breakfast.... BUT, IAS is Indicated AirSpeed. Hanging out at Jewel's Catch one, now your going to fly back to the East. lol only for hip hop nite... yea i fly the red-eye back the ATL tonite Lawd! What goes on out there at the Westin!
December 24, 200915 yr I'm sorry... It's 6:30am here in L.A. and I was waiting for hotel restaurant to open for breakfast.... BUT, IAS is Indicated AirSpeed. Hanging out at Jewel's Catch one, now your going to fly back to the East. lol only for hip hop nite... yea i fly the red-eye back the ATL tonite Lawd! What goes on out there at the Westin! lolol.. my ex was really in to the "thug" culture.. at least in public.
December 24, 200915 yr I'm sorry... It's 6:30am here in L.A. and I was waiting for hotel restaurant to open for breakfast.... BUT, IAS is Indicated AirSpeed. Hanging out at Jewel's Catch one, now your going to fly back to the East. lol only for hip hop nite... yea i fly the red-eye back the ATL tonite Lawd! What goes on out there at the Westin! lolol.. my ex was really in to the "thug" culture.. at least in public. "thug" and "culture" dont belong in the same sentence! But I guess you know how to pick them, huh? ;)
December 24, 200915 yr I'm sorry... It's 6:30am here in L.A. and I was waiting for hotel restaurant to open for breakfast.... BUT, IAS is Indicated AirSpeed. Hanging out at Jewel's Catch one, now your going to fly back to the East. lol only for hip hop nite... yea i fly the red-eye back the ATL tonite Lawd! What goes on out there at the Westin! lolol.. my ex was really in to the "thug" culture.. at least in public. "thug" and "culture" dont belong in the same sentence! But I guess you know how to pick them, huh? ;) Well, he was cute... anyways..... I think that Boeing has 4 ships that they will use for flight testing. Usually there are two aircraft but Boeing really wants to fast track the process with first delivery to ANA next December
December 24, 200915 yr I'm sorry... It's 6:30am here in L.A. and I was waiting for hotel restaurant to open for breakfast.... BUT, IAS is Indicated AirSpeed. Hanging out at Jewel's Catch one, now your going to fly back to the East. lol only for hip hop nite... yea i fly the red-eye back the ATL tonite Lawd! What goes on out there at the Westin! lolol.. my ex was really in to the "thug" culture.. at least in public. "thug" and "culture" dont belong in the same sentence! But I guess you know how to pick them, huh? ;) Well, he was cute... anyways..... I think that Boeing has 4 ships that they will use for flight testing. Usually there are two aircraft but Boeing really wants to fast track the process with first delivery to ANA next December you have access to pictures or video. i still want to your landing video.
December 24, 200915 yr I'm sorry... It's 6:30am here in L.A. and I was waiting for hotel restaurant to open for breakfast.... BUT, IAS is Indicated AirSpeed. Hanging out at Jewel's Catch one, now your going to fly back to the East. lol only for hip hop nite... yea i fly the red-eye back the ATL tonite Lawd! What goes on out there at the Westin! lolol.. my ex was really in to the "thug" culture.. at least in public. "thug" and "culture" dont belong in the same sentence! But I guess you know how to pick them, huh? ;) Well, he was cute... anyways..... I think that Boeing has 4 ships that they will use for flight testing. Usually there are two aircraft but Boeing really wants to fast track the process with first delivery to ANA next December you have access to pictures or video. i still want to your landing video. I finish this trip up tomorrow morning back in ATL, then I'm flying up to CLE for a couple days. I'll be back in NY at the beginning of the week and I'll post it.
December 24, 200915 yr I'm sorry... It's 6:30am here in L.A. and I was waiting for hotel restaurant to open for breakfast.... BUT, IAS is Indicated AirSpeed. Hanging out at Jewel's Catch one, now your going to fly back to the East. lol only for hip hop nite... yea i fly the red-eye back the ATL tonite Lawd! What goes on out there at the Westin! lolol.. my ex was really in to the "thug" culture.. at least in public. "thug" and "culture" dont belong in the same sentence! But I guess you know how to pick them, huh? ;) Well, he was cute... anyways..... I think that Boeing has 4 ships that they will use for flight testing. Usually there are two aircraft but Boeing really wants to fast track the process with first delivery to ANA next December you have access to pictures or video. i still want to your landing video. I finish this trip up tomorrow morning back in ATL, then I'm flying up to CLE for a couple days. I'll be back in NY at the beginning of the week and I'll post it. Cool bean!
February 24, 201015 yr Is this the Boeing 787 thread of MTS-MD88Pilot PM thread? Just kidding guys! haha
December 20, 201212 yr Wasn't sure if this would be the most appropriate thread, but for our aviation buffs check out this website on the 787. http://www.newairplane.com/787/dreampass/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Post&utm_campaign=DreamPass
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