December 7, 201014 yr I told a friend of mine who is a die hard bengals fan that they were going to be one of the leagues worst teams back in the preseason. He said no way with Palmer, Cinco, and TO. I said history repeats itself. The bengals suck after a good year. The bengals lose consistantly when Palmer throws for over 400yds. I'm suprised those 2 recievers can be on the same team. Chad Ochostinko may want traded to a team that can win so you may get a 3rd rounder out of him. Marvin lewis may want to resign. Cleveland will be in the running to win the division next season. You bengal fans better get use to hearing the term we Browns fans heard for awhile. "Rebuilding." Ugh. Surprising everyone with a few wins and you think you're gonna win the division next year. I read these stories like the novel that was the Believeland piece from ESPN and feel bad for Cleveland and quietly hope one of their teams can win, but the arrogance of Clevelanders makes it so damn hard.
December 8, 201014 yr I told a friend of mine who is a die hard bengals fan that they were going to be one of the leagues worst teams back in the preseason. He said no way with Palmer, Cinco, and TO. I said history repeats itself. The bengals suck after a good year. The bengals lose consistantly when Palmer throws for over 400yds. I'm suprised those 2 recievers can be on the same team. Chad Ochostinko may want traded to a team that can win so you may get a 3rd rounder out of him. Marvin lewis may want to resign. Cleveland will be in the running to win the division next season. You bengal fans better get use to hearing the term we Browns fans heard for awhile. "Rebuilding." Ugh. Surprising everyone with a few wins and you think you're gonna win the division next year. I read these stories like the novel that was the Believeland piece from ESPN and feel bad for Cleveland and quietly hope one of their teams can win, but the arrogance of Clevelanders makes it so damn hard. All fans are the same man.
December 8, 201014 yr I told a friend of mine who is a die hard bengals fan that they were going to be one of the leagues worst teams back in the preseason. He said no way with Palmer, Cinco, and TO. I said history repeats itself. The bengals suck after a good year. The bengals lose consistantly when Palmer throws for over 400yds. I'm suprised those 2 recievers can be on the same team. Chad Ochostinko may want traded to a team that can win so you may get a 3rd rounder out of him. Marvin lewis may want to resign. Cleveland will be in the running to win the division next season. You bengal fans better get use to hearing the term we Browns fans heard for awhile. "Rebuilding." Ugh. Surprising everyone with a few wins and you think you're gonna win the division next year. I read these stories like the novel that was the Believeland piece from ESPN and feel bad for Cleveland and quietly hope one of their teams can win, but the arrogance of Clevelanders makes it so damn hard. All fans are the same man. Not all fans. Some people are Pittsburgh fans, and are clearly one of a kind d-bags.
December 8, 201014 yr I told a friend of mine who is a die hard bengals fan that they were going to be one of the leagues worst teams back in the preseason. He said no way with Palmer, Cinco, and TO. I said history repeats itself. The bengals suck after a good year. The bengals lose consistantly when Palmer throws for over 400yds. I'm suprised those 2 recievers can be on the same team. Chad Ochostinko may want traded to a team that can win so you may get a 3rd rounder out of him. Marvin lewis may want to resign. Cleveland will be in the running to win the division next season. You bengal fans better get use to hearing the term we Browns fans heard for awhile. "Rebuilding." Ugh. Surprising everyone with a few wins and you think you're gonna win the division next year. I read these stories like the novel that was the Believeland piece from ESPN and feel bad for Cleveland and quietly hope one of their teams can win, but the arrogance of Clevelanders makes it so damn hard. All fans are the same man. Not all fans. Some people are Pittsburgh fans, and are clearly one of a kind d-bags. Cleveland and Cincy fans can agree on that!
December 20, 201014 yr The 10 game losing streak is over! The game looks like last years team, with a very heavily used run game, limited down field passing, and time management. Although the score was close, the Bengals really dominated the game, and the close score is really more a result of not executing in the red zone.
December 20, 201014 yr the close score is really more a result of not executing in the red zone. Like the browns not converting 3rd and 1 on the bengals 2yd line and settling for a fg?
December 20, 201014 yr Two bad games by two bad teams. The only difference is that one is on its way up, and the other has hit bottom and is still falling!
December 20, 201014 yr Maybe we'll get lucky and the Bengals win out, Browns lose out. The only way the Browns get Fairley or Dareus in this draft is if they move up the draft board. c'Mon Bengals, please win some more meaningless games to help the Browns draft position!
December 20, 201014 yr I love how the game is meaningless because the Browns lost. If the Browns would have won you can bet this thread and the Browns thread would be all gloating and celebrating how the Browns are finally a good team, etc. If the Bengals are one of the worst teams in football right now (they are), what does that say about the Browns...?
December 20, 201014 yr It says they lost to one of the worst teams in football. What can we say.... they tend to play up and down to their level of competition (losses to Bills and Bengals in consecutive weeks and wins over NE and NOLA in consecutive weeks). Inexplicable.
December 20, 201014 yr ...or, that the Browns suck too. Which is the case. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 20, 201014 yr Takes one to know one. And blah blah blah with the quotes. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 20, 201014 yr Well, if we're in the basement, you're in the water table since you lost to the basement. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 20, 201014 yr TCU has a better record than Wisconsin. I'm sure TCU is a better team than Wisconsin, correct? But reverse that and pretend TCU and Wisconsin both suck. That's the Bengals and Browns. It's just that Wisconsin will beat TCU and the Bengals already beat the Browns. Or do I need to join the Brown Backers, send out a letter to all my "Facebook Join Browns Backers Fan Club" teammates, and state that? "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 20, 201014 yr I can't see you..... I realize Cincy has fewer people than most NFL cities (might beat Green Bay, Wi)....BUT your stadium capacity is 7,000 less than your big brothers up North. Not selling out 3, soon to be 4, consecutive games is just sad. http://www.cincyjungle.com/2010/12/16/1880256/third-straight-game-without-a-sellout-bengals-browns-officially
December 20, 201014 yr I didn't realize Metro Cleveland was larger than Metro Cincinnati. Oh wait, it isn't. But it's nice that Ohio's 2nd City on the Lake (behind Toledo, of course) has hopes and dreams of being a legit football team since they left town for Baltimore. I mean, dreams do come true. Ask LeBron. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 20, 201014 yr DanB's right...Get use to the basement bengal fans. Any fan of the Bengals, like the Browns, are all too used to the basement. Cleveland only sells out their stadium because they're afraid of the team picking up and moving...again. I don't think it should be shocking that fans aren't paying huge sums of money to watch one of the worst teams in the league in 20 degree weather. Prior to midway through this year there were 6 years (maybe more) of consecutive sellouts, so it's not like Cincinnati doesn't support the Bengals. As far as size of metros with NFL teams, let's check it out which metros are smaller than Cincinnati (24th with 2.17 million): -Cleveland (26th with 2.09) -Kansas City (29th with 2.06) -Charlotte (33rd with 1.74) -Indianapolis (34 with 1.74) -Nashville (38 with 1.58) -Jacksonville (40 with 1.32) -New Orleans (46 with 1.18) -Buffalo (50 with 1.12) -Green Bay (152 with 304,000)
December 20, 201014 yr Well, seeing that the city is located in a corner county, and directly touches both Kentucky and Indiana, that seems like a pretty stupid thing to "forget"! :wink:
December 20, 201014 yr Ohio Top 100 Television Markets (national rank, followed by population 12+, then television homes) Served.....http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=21115.0 17. Cleveland: 3,268,300 / 1,524,930 32. Columbus: 1,961,100 / 925,840 34. Cincinnati: 1,960,300 / 915,570 64. Dayton: 1,014,800 / 483,790 73. Toledo: 904,600 / 425,890
December 20, 201014 yr That's the spirit! If your initial point gets proven wrong, keep searching for data until you can find something that works! Kudos Clefan98, kudos!
December 20, 201014 yr That's the spirit! If your initial point gets proven wrong, keep searching for data until you can find something that works! Kudos Clefan98, kudos! Clefan's just fighting fire with fire..
December 20, 201014 yr eh, I love the Browns but there is nothing to say other than they got beat. Edale is right, it wasn't even as close as the score indicates. They both suck. But I still like my crappy team.
December 21, 201014 yr This is a silly argument...but I will indulge. There is no doubt the Browns have much larger following than the Bengals. The Bengals don't have much of a following outside Cincinnati's metro area. There are roughly 300 Browns Backers Clubs totaling 80,000 members. There are Browns Backers in almost every major city. A lot of these backers make annual trips to Cleveland to support the Browns. There are a Browns Backers in Central Germany, Calgary, Portland, ME, Honolulu, Missoula, MT, North Winnipeg, Taipei...just to name a few. Either way, both teams suck and the Bengals dominated yesterday’s game, but there is no arguing who has the larger and more loyal fan base. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/07/post_25.html (Browns Backers article)
December 21, 201014 yr This is a silly argument...but I will indulge. There is no doubt the Browns have much larger following than the Bengals. The Bengals don't have much of a following outside Cincinnati's metro area. There are roughly 300 Browns Backers Clubs totaling 80,000 members. There are Browns Backers in almost every major city. A lot of these backers make annual trips to Cleveland to support the Browns. There are a Browns Backers in Central Germany, Calgary, Portland, ME, Honolulu, Missoula, MT, North Winnipeg, Taipei...just to name a few. Either way, both teams suck and the Bengals dominated yesterday’s game, but there is no arguing who has the larger and more loyal fan base. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/07/post_25.html (Browns Backers article) These sorts of facts mean nothing to Bengals fans, especially the Excusologist, edale. I've been down this road many times with the 2-3 Bengals fans on this board that defend their team. Their excuse is that Bengal fans are "hi-tech" followers, relying on twits & tweets for information, and should be used a measure of fanbase loyalty & support.
December 21, 201014 yr Both teams are sad, but I would expect the Browns Backers to be bigger than 80K based on the net domestic out-migration since 1990 alone. It's more than 230K - totals in final column: MSA: Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH 1991 2,117,512 0.7 15,305 41,419 25,500 1,175 -9,325 1992 2,131,036 0.6 13,524 32,892 20,716 2,017 -8,110 1993 2,140,398 0.4 9,362 32,152 20,814 2,068 -11,136 1994 2,146,303 0.3 5,905 30,883 21,519 1,699 -12,018 1995 2,150,203 0.2 3,900 29,993 21,633 2,134 -10,016 1996 2,153,598 0.2 3,395 29,660 21,221 2,287 -10,534 1997 2,152,676 0.0 -922 29,167 21,620 2,018 -14,360 1998 2,151,568 -0.1 -1,108 29,005 21,047 1,850 -14,757 1999 2,149,943 -0.1 -1,625 29,107 21,526 1,937 -12,918 2000 2,148,143 -0.1 -1,800 - - - - 2001 2,144,528 -0.2 -3,615 35,572 26,680 4,742 -18,186 2002 2,140,552 -0.2 -3,976 26,967 21,691 3,561 -13,552 2003 2,136,026 -0.2 -4,526 26,724 21,296 3,015 -13,703 2004 2,128,958 -0.3 -7,068 26,728 21,701 2,853 -14,629 2005 2,118,249 -0.5 -10,709 25,816 21,591 2,959 -17,708 2006 2,106,336 -0.6 -11,913 25,968 20,505 3,262 -20,235 2007 2,099,185 -0.3 -7,151 25,600 20,771 2,865 -15,237 2008 2,094,051 -0.2 -5,134 25,461 20,435 2,839 -13,502 2009 2,091,286 -0.1 -2,765 25,255 20,567 2,826 -10,191
December 21, 201014 yr Both teams are sad, but I would expect the Browns Backers to be bigger than 80K based on the net domestic out-migration since 1990 alone. It's more than 230K - totals in final column: MSA: Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH 1991 2,117,512 0.7 15,305 41,419 25,500 1,175 -9,325 1992 2,131,036 0.6 13,524 32,892 20,716 2,017 -8,110 1993 2,140,398 0.4 9,362 32,152 20,814 2,068 -11,136 1994 2,146,303 0.3 5,905 30,883 21,519 1,699 -12,018 1995 2,150,203 0.2 3,900 29,993 21,633 2,134 -10,016 1996 2,153,598 0.2 3,395 29,660 21,221 2,287 -10,534 1997 2,152,676 0.0 -922 29,167 21,620 2,018 -14,360 1998 2,151,568 -0.1 -1,108 29,005 21,047 1,850 -14,757 1999 2,149,943 -0.1 -1,625 29,107 21,526 1,937 -12,918 2000 2,148,143 -0.1 -1,800 - - - - 2001 2,144,528 -0.2 -3,615 35,572 26,680 4,742 -18,186 2002 2,140,552 -0.2 -3,976 26,967 21,691 3,561 -13,552 2003 2,136,026 -0.2 -4,526 26,724 21,296 3,015 -13,703 2004 2,128,958 -0.3 -7,068 26,728 21,701 2,853 -14,629 2005 2,118,249 -0.5 -10,709 25,816 21,591 2,959 -17,708 2006 2,106,336 -0.6 -11,913 25,968 20,505 3,262 -20,235 2007 2,099,185 -0.3 -7,151 25,600 20,771 2,865 -15,237 2008 2,094,051 -0.2 -5,134 25,461 20,435 2,839 -13,502 2009 2,091,286 -0.1 -2,765 25,255 20,567 2,826 -10,191 Congrats.. How many square miles more of Kentucky & Indiana does "metro" Cincinnati plan on picking up to claim growth for this census? Maybe even reach into Tennessee this go 'round?
December 21, 201014 yr I know you one of you would come up with the lame out-migration argument. These clubs have been around since the late 70's. A lot of the members have never lived in Cleveland. My great uncle in Alabama is a Browns fans because he loved Jim Brown. All of his children are Browns fans. None of them have ever lived in Cleveland. Why does this have to turn into a city versus city argument? I didn't mention anything about population estimates or out-migration numbers. I was talking a team's fan base. You obviously couldn't find evidence to show the Bengals have a large following so you throw out a snarky out-migration argument...lmao!
December 21, 201014 yr Oh the losses were much worse in the 70's - it is relatively stable now. And to clarify Cincy has gained metro population using a fixed set of counties, not simply by adding them.
December 21, 201014 yr ^Again, why are you turning this into a city versus city argument? I never mentioned anything about Cincinnati's population numbers. I gave Browns Backers stats. Find me evidence that the Bengals have a larger and more loyal fan base than the Browns...you can't. Find me a comparable Benglas fan club...you can't. The Browns have sold every game since 1999. The have the second lowest winning percentage since 1999 and still sold out every game. The Browns have started 17 quaterbacks since 1999 and still sold every game. So, find me evidence that the Bengals fans are as loyal as Browns fans and please stop posting population estimates.
December 21, 201014 yr It was city vs city way before my reply, and I did not compare Cleveland to Cincy. I was simply stating what seems to be a reasonable explanation for the large number of Browns' clubs outside of Cleveland. I guess I thought the numbers might even be bigger.
December 21, 201014 yr Certainly that was your intent. But then why no corresponding fan clubs for Indians and Cavs?
December 21, 201014 yr It may be...but how do you explain the Cowboys fan base? They have arguably the largest fan base in football, but reside in a high growth market. Like I said earlier, a lot of these members have never lived in Cleveland. Remember, the Browns were a very good organization from the 50's through late 80's. They picked up a lot of national fans that passed their loyalty on to their children.
December 21, 201014 yr It may be...but how do you explain the Cowboys fan base? They have arguably the largest fan base in football, but reside in a high growth market. Like I said earlier, a lot of these members have never lived in Cleveland. Remember, the Browns were a very good organization from the 50's through late 80's. They picked up a lot of national fans that passed their loyalty on to their children. Cincy1 thinking, "oh, so you wanted to talk about sports"?
December 21, 201014 yr Well I would say that Dallas is a large market, the team gets tons of exposure, and the franchise has won 5 Super Bowls. That might explain it. I just do not think there are a lot of people with no ties to Cleveland that decide to be Browns fans. I know a lot of Cleveland fans here, including about 75 at my company, but they have all relo'd from the Cleveland area.
December 21, 201014 yr No one with common sense would root for the Cleveland Browns outside of Cleveland and their ex-pats. That's like somebody in Peoria suddenly becoming a Jacksonville Jaguars fan. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 21, 201014 yr http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/10/eric_barrs_devotion_to_browns.html No one with common sense would root for the Cleveland Browns outside of Cleveland and their ex-pats. That's like somebody in Peoria suddenly becoming a Jacksonville Jaguars fan. Served....again CDM. Bungles 3 WINS. you're an >>> http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/10/eric_barrs_devotion_to_browns.html
December 21, 201014 yr Come on show us your proof that anyone living outside of nati, errrr Kentucky, cares about cincy and their TWO professional teams.
December 21, 201014 yr ^I think a lot of you forgot that the Browns have not always been bad. The Browns had 14 playoff appearances from 1964 to 1989, two AFC Championship games and 9 division titles. Yeah, there aren't a lot of new young fans becoming fans, but there a lot of people in their late 20s, 30s, 40s that became fans in the 80s who have passed the tradition down to their children who didn't live in Cleveland. Aresenio was hyping the Dawg Pound in the late 80s...you think the Browns picked up a few non-Clevelanders from that? Again, like I've said already, not every member of the Browns Backers has lived or has a connection to Cleveland. Jim Brown alone helped Browns pick up fans nationally. Tons of older African-American men are Browns fans because of Jim Brown. I remember Barry Sanders saying his father was a Browns fan because of Jim Brown. Condolezza Rice is Browns fans and she's from Alabama. One more thing...nobody has given me a reason why Bengal fans can't sell out games. Didn't the Bengals struggle to sell out this year's home opener? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/16/bengals-avoid-blackout-in-home-opener/
December 21, 201014 yr She's also a Denver Broncos fan. My uncle used to date her (scary, I know). http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/10/eric_barrs_devotion_to_browns.html No one with common sense would root for the Cleveland Browns outside of Cleveland and their ex-pats. That's like somebody in Peoria suddenly becoming a Jacksonville Jaguars fan. Served....again CDM. Bungles 3 WINS. you're an >>> http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/10/eric_barrs_devotion_to_browns.html I think YOU got served by that article. It's a very sad piece. Come on show us your proof that anyone living outside of nati, errrr Kentucky, cares about cincy and their TWO professional teams. Uhhh...Ochocinco > The Browns. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 21, 201014 yr You're all talk brah. No facts. bungles and their three state METRO fan base suck the proverbial crank.
December 21, 201014 yr ^ I will give you the Reds over the Indians, but I think you guys are little over your heads when it comes to the Browns versus Bengals.
December 21, 201014 yr You're all talk brah. No facts. bungles and their three state METRO fan base suck the proverbial crank. I've shown you facts that the Steelers were a larger fan base than the Bengals or the Browns (and I hate the Steelers). You've shown me a sad article about some dude who likes the Browns. ColDay wins. And yes, the Browns have a larger fanbase than the Bengals. Duh. But it does not have a larger fanbase than the Steelers. But Ohio has only one storied professional team: The Reds, as mentioned by sir2gees. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 21, 201014 yr Hmm... I think everyone is missing today's reality. A 3-11 team beat a 5-9 team yesterday. They have both secured their places in the NFL's basement this year. Haven't we argued the whole city / history / fan base thing ad nauseum? And there is absolutely no denying, if the Browns had won the game we would be all over this board pounding our chests. So now we can man up and take our medicine because we got beat, handily.
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