1 hour ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

I'm honestly struggling a bit to interpret this comment.

 

That makes it seem like you're for the exit.

 

That makes it seem like you're against.

 

Once again, for?

 

How should I feel about this project? lol  Obviously we all hate sprawl here.  But, this should lead to net gains for the region, right?

 

Not sure how you could misinterpret my comment. 

 

The current interchange is what what I was referring to with my original comment. That area is a mess for people that live and work in the area. Add 1,000+ jobs on top of that and you see where this interchange is needed. 

 

I think most are anti-residential sprawl. However if you’re going to attract light industrial and distribution business there are few other places to do it. 

 

Berlin Township has grown fast enough to demand its own high school and now another exit.

1 hour ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Adding more businesses will only make it worse and unattractive to companies they are trying to attract.

This is the part where I was confused.  I thought you were saying that adding the new interchange will contribute to further sprawl and make the area even more unattractive.  Considering the forum we're on, a place where many are against sprawling development in that area at all, I don't think that's an unreasonable interpretation.  However, after clarifying, it seems you are for the new interchange because you travel the other exit often and more development would make it even more of a mess without another exit.  And you are for adding new businesses in that area, once again, a stance that many here are probably against.  I was just trying to get the general vibe around this new exit proposal.  Thanks for clarifying your view.

Edited January 5, 20214 yr by TH3BUDDHA

24 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

This is the part where I was confused.  I thought you were saying that adding the new interchange will contribute to further sprawl and make the area even more unattractive.  Considering the forum we're on, a place where many are against sprawling development in that area at all, I don't think that's an unreasonable interpretation.  However, after clarifying, it seems you are for the new interchange because you travel the other exit often and more development would make it even more of a mess without another exit.  And you are for adding new businesses in that area, once again, a stance that many here are probably against.  I was just trying to get the general vibe around this new exit proposal.  Thanks for clarifying your view.

 

Yes, to put it bluntly there’s minimal room within 270 to attract the type of businesses that this new development will attract with the benefit of this interchange. 

 

I think Galloway, Obetz, Canal Winchester and the Georgesville Road area are the only spots left in Franklin County period to do so. Even those areas are getting to the point where they have fewer plots. Obetz is virtually a warehouse town because of Rickenbacker.

 

Plain and simple sprawl is inevitable in a growing market. As long as it benefits the regions economy I’m all for it. I think with housing you can get much more creative, but money is a factor for both developers and consumers, again making it inevitable.

1 hour ago, wpcc88 said:

Obetz is virtually a warehouse town because of Rickenbacker.

 

Groveport actually has more of those Rickenbacker warehouses than Obetz I believe, but they are both very similar. That area has seen constant warehouse construction for the past 10-15 years and is still going strong. The warehouse building boom has even started migrating down to Canal Winchester where 3 large warehouses are currently under construction.

56 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Groveport actually has more of those Rickenbacker warehouses than Obetz I believe, but they are both very similar. That area has seen constant warehouse construction for the past 10-15 years and is still going strong. The warehouse building boom has even started migrating down to Canal Winchester where 3 large warehouses are currently under construction.

 

There is a gray area where I don't know where Groveport ends and Obetz begins, but I'd bet they're even now.  I think those warehouses you're referring to in Canal are actually in Groveport. 

 

I refer to it all as the Rickenbacker Region, we fly Allegiant pretty often and I work in the area often as well, the transformation over the past 5 years let alone 10-15 is crazy, you're right.

Edited January 5, 20214 yr by wpcc88

2 hours ago, wpcc88 said:

As long as it benefits the regions economy I’m all for it

I definitely agree with this statement.

28 minutes ago, wpcc88 said:

I think those warehouses you're referring to in Canal are actually in Groveport.

Nope, they are definitely Canal Winchester. The Canal Winchester city website even talks about them. 

Wait, which ones?

2 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

Wait, which ones?

I’m referring to the new warehouses being built around 33 and gender road. 

Hmm, where? Gender Rd. is on my daily commute. I'll have to look tomorrow. Are they going up on Winchester Pike west of Gender? I don't see that part on my way to work. Unless you're talking about behind the big strip mall with the Kroger? For some reason I thought that was going to be apartments. May know more tomorrow.

1 hour ago, GCrites80s said:

Hmm, where? Gender Rd. is on my daily commute. I'll have to look tomorrow. Are they going up on Winchester Pike west of Gender? I don't see that part on my way to work. Unless you're talking about behind the big strip mall with the Kroger? For some reason I thought that was going to be apartments. May know more tomorrow.

There are 1-2 being built behind Kroger/Home Depot (along with a hotel), and then another 1-2 on the other side of 33 along Winchester Pike. You can see all of it from 33. 

Orange Township: Route 23 overlay drawing developers' interest

 

Orange Township’s recently adopted Route 23 Corridor Overlay District, approved by trustees in November, is receiving early interest in the form of multifamily developments.  Trustees approved the first zoning request filed under the overlay, from Schottenstein Real Estate Group for Orange Grand Estates at Slate Ridge, a 130-unit townhome development along the extension of Home Road to Graphics Way, east of U.S. Route 23, by a 3-0 vote Dec. 21.

( . . . )

Orange Grand Estates at Slate Ridge will be the second multifamily development by Schottenstein Real Estate Group along the new stretch of Home Road.  Wes Smith, senior vice president of engineering and development with Schottenstein, told trustees Orange Grand Apartments are filling up fast, with 178 units leased, 12 occupied and a waiting list of 50 for the planned 288-unit complex.

 

MORE:  https://www.thisweeknews.com/story/news/local/olentangy-valley/2021/01/08/orange-township-route-23-overlay-drawing-developers-interest/6570644002/

From Liberty Township, which is west of Orange Township and contains the City of Powell:

 

Another Schottenstein Real Estate Group development - this one is called Liberty Grand Communities and would sit on 300 acres northwest of Olentangy Liberty High School near Sawmill Parkway and Home Road:

• https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2021/02/02/300-acre-residential-development.html
• https://www.thisweeknews.com/story/business/2021/02/01/mix-apartments-houses-planned-delaware-county-project/4335864001/

And a look from the Dispatch at how Sawmill Parkway is driving development in Liberty Township.  Sawmill Parkway is an extension of Sawmill Road, which begins in northwest Columbus and ends in the City of Powell.  Sawmill Parkway continues north of Powell and ends at State Route 42 just south of the City of Delaware:

• https://www.thisweeknews.com/story/news/local/2021/02/01/liberty-township-debating-growth-proposal-may-hurt-rural-feel/4292800001/

Delaware County is rebidding their centralized county department / Social Services Campus. The project, to be built at the former Delaware Area Career Center at 1610 state Route 521, was proposed earlier this year. 

 

High costs delay $30 million, 63-acre Delaware construction project

Tristan Navera - Columbus Business First - Apr. 5, 2021

 

"Delaware County commissioners recently voted to reject four bids for a general contractor to redevelop the 147,000-square-foot building and its 63-acre property along Rt. 521. ... When complete, the new Byxbe Campus will host 287 employees who work for Delaware County's sheriff; engineer; regional sewer district; code compliance department; regional planning commission; soil and water conservation district; OSU extension."

Liberty Township: Submitted referendum could put Hyatts Road development plan on ballot

Jim Fischer - ThisWeek News - Apr. 22, 2021

 

 

"Liberty Township residents might get a vote on a controversial zoning overlay. Residents presented a petition and signatures to the township offices April 12, and trustees voted at their April 19 meeting to certify receipt and forward the petition and signatures to the Delaware County Board of Elections."

On 1/5/2021 at 12:04 PM, wpcc88 said:

 

You obviously don't travel that area often, it's a country road interchange for an area that has grown significantly in the past decade.  Adding more businesses will only make it worse and unattractive to companies they are trying to attract.  I'm sure you didn't have the same complaint when they quietly rebuilt the one that leads to West Jeff, which alone attracted about 1,000 jobs.

Rebuilding or improving and existing interchange is different than building a completely new interchange. Just sayin' and all. And the upgrade was needed as way more than 1,000 jobs have come since the rebuilding of the 29 interchange, the work on the 142 interchange, and the realignment of 29 with 40, not to mention the traffic circles added into the interchange. 

 

I am not saying that a new interchange is not needed there, just saying that a whole new interchange is a bit different than upgrading an existing one.

 

If the growth is coming anyway and it reduces congestion, meh...100 million is nothing in roadwork dollars anyway. ODOT loves to spend-it will just go somewhere else.

Edited April 22, 20214 yr by Toddguy

Liberty Residents for Responsible Growth:

 

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When comparing POD 18D to the vision of our Comprehensive Plan, POD 18D permits density and uses that were never contemplated by the Comprehensive Plan.  Densities that are allowed in POD 18D far exceed the densities that are allowed in Liberty Township’s planned residence district and planned multi-family residence district.

 

9 minutes ago, Dev said:

Liberty Residents for Responsible Growth:

 

 

The densities proposed are for a selected area otherwise known as a node. They vast majority of the township will not be a part of this. By having nodes of density you can increase the density overall but leave most of the area at the limits defined in the plan. This just seems like "preserve our rural heritage' while being in one of the fastest growing areas of Central Ohio= NIMBYism.

1 minute ago, Toddguy said:

This just seems like "preserve our rural heritage' while being in one of the fastest growing areas of Central Ohio= NIMBYism.

Absolutely. I'm curious how much of the opposition are actually farmers or lived in the area before the Polaris interchange was added to 71.

Not sure if this is the best place for this, sorry if it’s not the correct place. 
 

Posted some of the article. It was nice to read on Reddit most people understood the only way to reduce and fix this is better public transit. More roads will do nothing but make it worse. ODOT needs to stop being aloud to make all the decisions. There needs to be transit and it needs done now. 
Delaware county would also benefit from proper density and mixed use like all building should be. 
 

Route 23 in Delaware County has more traffic than it can handle, but what's the solution?

 

State and regional transportation officials have scheduled a series of public meetings as part of a study into ways to improve traffic flows on an increasingly congested stretch of Route 23 between Columbus and the Marion County line.

Possible solutions include an upgrade of the existing route between Interstate 270 and the village of Waldo, with new overpasses and interchanges, or new roadway connections to divert traffic flow to U.S. Route 33 to the west or Interstate 71 to the east.

 

ODOT, the Mid-Ohio Regional Planning Commission and the Toledo Metropolitan Area Council of Governments are launching a $2 million study that will include opportunities for public comment, and officials hope to develop recommendations for improvements by mid-2022.

Route 23 in Delaware County has more traffic than it can handle, but what's the solution?

Marc Kovac - The Dispatch - July 6, 2021

 

 

"State and regional transportation officials have scheduled a series of public meetings as part of a study into ways to improve traffic flows on an increasingly congested stretch of Route 23 between Columbus and the Marion County line. Possible solutions include an upgrade of the existing route between Interstate 270 and the village of Waldo, with new overpasses and interchanges, or new roadway connections to divert traffic flow to U.S. Route 33 to the west or Interstate 71 to the east. .... A half-dozen public meetings are scheduled in July to gain public comments on potential improvements. The online sessions will take place July 7, July 13 and July 14 at noon and 5 p.m. each day, organized geographically by participants' residences."

 

 

For more info: https://publicinput.com/23connect

 

The only option that will help in the long run is mass transit. The options they are throwing out there, may help in the short term, but will do nothing after a year or two. 

^Interesting that funding is coming from Toledo. It makes sense, though, as the corridor comprises the most direct route between the two cities. I'm somewhat surprised that the article didn't resurrect talk of bring I-73 through Ohio from Portsmouth to Toledo, which would have included this corridor in the plan. That being said, 23 is no longer a viable highway option for that proposed interstate in my opinion.

 

Regarding the article, I think diverting traffic to 33 is too far of a stretch. Rather, an upgraded 36 or new highway straddling 36 to I-71 would probably be better option as far as access is concerned. The 36-37 corridor is already shaping up to be a second north outerbelt, much to my chagrin. But 71 from I-270 to 36 is already a nightmare at times. Is the option to funnel even more traffic to I-71 really sustainable in the long term?

 

And really there is no viable way to make 23 from Delaware to I-270 into a more limited-access highway. It doesn't matter how many overpasses, interchanges, tunnels, ramps, drawbridges, traffic circles, or other magic pavement devices ODOT can concoct to throw at 23 to make it what they want it to be: a 6-lane highway plowing through the area from point A to point B with no regard to the neighborhood and the people in them and their connectivity to their environment. The other problem is the majority of the people in this area wouldn't be caught dead riding public transit, so a multi-modal option is probably DOA anyway. Really quite the conundrum for the northern 'burbs. 

Time to dust off the 'ol I-73 proposals.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_73

23 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

The only option that will help in the long run is mass transit. The options they are throwing out there, may help in the short term, but will do nothing after a year or two. 

 

The problem for this particular corridor seems to be more thru-traffic consisting of trucks and those going beyond Delaware. As much as I would love to see a multi-modal solution for it in the form of light or commuter rail to Delaware and either inter-city bus or rail north to Marion, Findlay, BG, and Toledo, the former would be hard-pressed to consider public transit and the latter likely doesn't have enough demand to make a service commercially viable. It's a tough problem for sure; one that ODOT is not qualified to handle, in my opinion.

31 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

The only option that will help in the long run is mass transit. The options they are throwing out there, may help in the short term, but will do nothing after a year or two. 

That corridor is growing so rapidly, by the time any improvements are completed, it's already time to expand again, just like with the costly express lane that opened a few years ago. I had to drive up through 23 to Delaware yesterday, and it's a headache. If mass transit were a real option, I would definitely take advantage of it.

Had companies not been so hellbent on locating in Dublin/Worthington/Westerville and continued to expand Downtown instead development patterns in the metro would have remained much more even during all this growth.

31 minutes ago, CMHOhio said:

 

The problem for this particular corridor seems to be more thru-traffic consisting of trucks and those going beyond Delaware. As much as I would love to see a multi-modal solution for it in the form of light or commuter rail to Delaware and either inter-city bus or rail north to Marion, Findlay, BG, and Toledo, the former would be hard-pressed to consider public transit and the latter likely doesn't have enough demand to make a service commercially viable. It's a tough problem for sure; one that ODOT is not qualified to handle, in my opinion.

I get that and agree, but the time to find better transit is now. Build for the future and not now. That’s why we have this problem now. The travel to Marion, Findlay, BG, Toledo could follow with better transit options. 
 

I know that wouldn’t do a ton for the trucks, but it could have the potential to get a number of cars off the road and would make the travel easier.  

41 minutes ago, CMHOhio said:

^Interesting that funding is coming from Toledo. It makes sense, though, as the corridor comprises the most direct route between the two cities. I'm somewhat surprised that the article didn't resurrect talk of bring I-73 through Ohio from Portsmouth to Toledo, which would have included this corridor in the plan. That being said, 23 is no longer a viable highway option for that proposed interstate in my opinion.

 

Regarding the article, I think diverting traffic to 33 is too far of a stretch. Rather, an upgraded 36 or new highway straddling 36 to I-71 would probably be better option as far as access is concerned. The 36-37 corridor is already shaping up to be a second north outerbelt, much to my chagrin. But 71 from I-270 to 36 is already a nightmare at times. Is the option to funnel even more traffic to I-71 really sustainable in the long term?

 

And really there is no viable way to make 23 from Delaware to I-270 into a more limited-access highway. It doesn't matter how many overpasses, interchanges, tunnels, ramps, drawbridges, traffic circles, or other magic pavement devices ODOT can concoct to throw at 23 to make it what they want it to be: a 6-lane highway plowing through the area from point A to point B with no regard to the neighborhood and the people in them and their connectivity to their environment. The other problem is the majority of the people in this area wouldn't be caught dead riding public transit, so a multi-modal option is probably DOA anyway. Really quite the conundrum for the northern 'burbs. 

This just points to the pointlessness of suburban development and the damage it has on travel and life. Better transit and smarter building practices should have been put into place as soon as Delaware county started getting crazy busy. 

Why not a two-pronged approach? Build out I-73 AND commuter rail. An interstate-grade limited-access highway will support inter-city traffic between Columbus, Toledo, and beyond, while commuter rail between the city of Delaware and Downtown Columbus with several key stops in between (e.g. Polaris, Worthington) can dramatically reduce commuter traffic congestion.

 

We're the wealthiest country on earth. Why is this sort of thing so difficult for us?

6 hours ago, CMHOhio said:

^Interesting that funding is coming from Toledo. It makes sense, though, as the corridor comprises the most direct route between the two cities. I'm somewhat surprised that the article didn't resurrect talk of bring I-73 through Ohio from Portsmouth to Toledo, which would have included this corridor in the plan. That being said, 23 is no longer a viable highway option for that proposed interstate in my opinion.

 

Regarding the article, I think diverting traffic to 33 is too far of a stretch. Rather, an upgraded 36 or new highway straddling 36 to I-71 would probably be better option as far as access is concerned. The 36-37 corridor is already shaping up to be a second north outerbelt, much to my chagrin. But 71 from I-270 to 36 is already a nightmare at times. Is the option to funnel even more traffic to I-71 really sustainable in the long term?

 

And really there is no viable way to make 23 from Delaware to I-270 into a more limited-access highway. It doesn't matter how many overpasses, interchanges, tunnels, ramps, drawbridges, traffic circles, or other magic pavement devices ODOT can concoct to throw at 23 to make it what they want it to be: a 6-lane highway plowing through the area from point A to point B with no regard to the neighborhood and the people in them and their connectivity to their environment. The other problem is the majority of the people in this area wouldn't be caught dead riding public transit, so a multi-modal option is probably DOA anyway. Really quite the conundrum for the northern 'burbs. 

 

...and then Austin says "Hold my beer!"

 

7 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

 

...and then Austin says "Hold my beer!"

 

Gosh that is ugly and horrible 

15 hours ago, VintageLife said:

This just points to the pointlessness of suburban development and the damage it has on travel and life. Better transit and smarter building practices should have been put into place as soon as Delaware county started getting crazy busy. 

Sadly we live in a very reactionary as opposed to proactive society. Do something, create problems, solve problems repeat. We are always behind and always planning to solve existing problems as opposed to planning to not create future problems.

16 hours ago, CMHOhio said:

The other problem is the majority of the people in this area wouldn't be caught dead riding public transit, so a multi-modal option is probably DOA anyway. Really quite the conundrum for the northern 'burbs. 

 

This isn't necessarily true. I have a colleague who lives in the Lewis Center area - they would happily hop on commuter rail to come downtown because of the traffic. The traffic is very unpredictable - their commute varies from 30-60 minutes. The predictability of rail would be a big selling point.

5 hours ago, VintageLife said:

Gosh that is ugly and horrible 

 

I was just in the Austin area last week. This kind of thing is everywhere and it boggles my mind. It's just so normal to them and they don't even think about it.

That's Texas in general. Collector-Distributor roads with a freeway in the middle all over the place. Not all of them have the freeway elevated for as long as the Austin example though.

20 hours ago, NEOBuckeye said:

Why not a two-pronged approach? Build out I-73 AND commuter rail.

Because everyone would default to using the highway and commuter rail traffic would then be unsustainable.

Delaware city and county residents supported I-73 in the 90's in theory but no one wanted it by them so it fell apart. I don't see how it will be any different now. There's no good spot to put the thing.

Part of me wants ODOT to do nothing at all. DelCo is one of the fastest growing counties in the country. There’s gonna be traffic, you can’t get around that. People need to accept that and recognize that it comes with the territory of buying a house there. 

Roundabouts get around in Central Ohio.  There are single lane roundabouts all over the place, a multiple lane roundabout next to the Dublin Bridge Park development and a situation in Hilliard where two roundabouts are adjacent to each other(!)  But this peanut-shaped roundabout that opened last Monday in eastern Delaware County is something new:

 

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/delaware-county/peanut-shaped-roundabout-to-open-monday-in-delaware-county/

 

Ohio Supreme Court denies petition to put Liberty Township referendum on ballot

Jim Fischer - ThisWeek News - Aug. 27, 2021

 

 

"A referendum on a controversial zoning decision in Liberty Township will not appear on the November ballot. The Supreme Court of Ohio ruled against a case filed by Scott Donaldson on behalf of residents wanting the zoning matter to be brought before voters. The court ruled 6-1 against the appeal. The case had sought to overturn a decision by the Delaware County Board of Elections to remove the referendum from the ballot after initially approving a petition filed by township residents. ... Planned Overlay District 18, approved by township trustees in March, created a roughly 190-acre zoning overlay for mixed-use development north of Hyatts Road, primarily between Sawmill Parkway and Liberty Road."

3 hours ago, NorthShore647 said:

Ohio Supreme Court denies petition to put Liberty Township referendum on ballot

Jim Fischer - ThisWeek News - Aug. 27, 2021

 

 

"A referendum on a controversial zoning decision in Liberty Township will not appear on the November ballot. The Supreme Court of Ohio ruled against a case filed by Scott Donaldson on behalf of residents wanting the zoning matter to be brought before voters. The court ruled 6-1 against the appeal. The case had sought to overturn a decision by the Delaware County Board of Elections to remove the referendum from the ballot after initially approving a petition filed by township residents. ... Planned Overlay District 18, approved by township trustees in March, created a roughly 190-acre zoning overlay for mixed-use development north of Hyatts Road, primarily between Sawmill Parkway and Liberty Road."

Hahaha. Too bad NIMBYS. 

 

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...residents who have opposed the overlay on the basis that large-scale commercial and light-industrial development, plus the density of proposed apartment complexes, would run counter to the area’s rural nature...

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/olentangy-valley/2021/03/16/liberty-township-overlay-approval-clears-way-mixed-use-development-north-hyatts-road/4721001001/

 

Oh well...I guess being right by a fast growing city they are just going to have to get used to the dreaded density and apartment complexes that will be full of what some Dublin officials referred to as vagrants.  lol.

 

I hope they build a very dense mixed use development that rivals what is being done in Dublin. 

Edited September 1, 20213 yr by Toddguy

German manufacturer coming to Delaware County

 

“WIKA Sensor Technology is bringing 15 new jobs to Delaware County with a brand new 20,000-square-foot facility.

 

The manufacturer, which is headquartered in Germany, broke ground on the $3.25 million project in Delaware County's Creekside Business Park Tuesday, according to a news release. All of the company's current 32 employees in the region will relocate to the new location from its Worthington site when construction is completed.

 

WIKA is a global leader in manufacturing force and pressure measurement technology, according to the release. The company caters to mainly industrial markets such as automation, custom machine solutions and aerospace. 
 

According to the release, the new facility will be home to additional product lines in the company's U.S. market, with a focus on strengthening aerospace business.”

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2021/11/04/wika-delaware-county-location.html

 

Delaware County considering $39M social services campus

 

Delaware County is considering consolidating three social service agencies in one large campus.  The three-phased development plan calls for moving the Board of Developmental Disabilities, Job and Family Services and the Delaware-Morrow Mental Health & Recovery Services Board to one multi-building site on undeveloped land near the former Delaware Area Career Center North Campus on Rt. 521, east of downtown Delaware.

• The plan envisions a $17.5 million, 71,000-square-foot administrative building for the three agencies, with the county taking the lead.  Funding would come from cash or bonds and would be repaid through leases and economic incentives.
• The second phase calls for a $16.4 million, 60,000-square-foot building for five Mental Health & Recovery Services Board provider agencies – Southeast Healthcare, Maryhaven, HelpLine, Safe Harbor and NAMI.
• A third phase be a $5.3 million 16,650-square-foot residential facility and crisis center operated by the Mental Health & Recovery Services Board.  The building would serve as a mental health facility and provide access for ambulances and law enforcement.

MORE:  https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2021/03/09/delaware-county-pitches-social-services-campus.html

  

Just now, Dev said:

Delaware country rural residents want to ODOT to destroy more of Delaware city instead of creating a bypass. Direct link to their website here and for ODOT's project page.

 

Of course ODOT only sees the need for more highways and more lanes, but this is a prime commuting corridor that would be well-served with a train.  It's frustrating to see the inevitable induced demand route being the only option considered.

4 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

Of course ODOT only sees the need for more highways and more lanes, but this is a prime commuting corridor that would be well-served with a train.  It's frustrating to see the inevitable induced demand route being the only option considered.

It’s more about the commerce than the people. Columbus is a distribution hub and trucks clog the current route. Freight rail traffic has steadily been increasing but it’s still not enough.

16 minutes ago, wpcc88 said:

It’s more about the commerce than the people. Columbus is a distribution hub and trucks clog the current route. Freight rail traffic has steadily been increasing but it’s still not enough.

 

Rail would still make sense if it meant fewer cars.  Cars also contribute to traffic, and there are a lot more cars on the road than trucks.  

13 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Rail would still make sense if it meant fewer cars.  Cars also contribute to traffic, and there are a lot more cars on the road than trucks.  

I don’t disagree with you, but with Amazon and others upping their game with next day delivery expectations that’s why I believe trucks and being a distribution hub play more of a factor. 
 

Your scenario plays out for those in central Ohio, but it won’t stop the traffic from NW Ohio and Michigan from using that route to get to the east coast and southeast.

2 hours ago, wpcc88 said:

I don’t disagree with you, but with Amazon and others upping their game with next day delivery expectations that’s why I believe trucks and being a distribution hub play more of a factor. 
 

Your scenario plays out for those in central Ohio, but it won’t stop the traffic from NW Ohio and Michigan from using that route to get to the east coast and southeast.

There are so many things which just make more sense to transport via roadways. Using trucks for transport will always be necessary. So many regional needs for truck transport, it's not all long haul trucking.

4 hours ago, wpcc88 said:

I don’t disagree with you, but with Amazon and others upping their game with next day delivery expectations that’s why I believe trucks and being a distribution hub play more of a factor. 
 

Your scenario plays out for those in central Ohio, but it won’t stop the traffic from NW Ohio and Michigan from using that route to get to the east coast and southeast.

 

I'd be interested to see an actual breakdown, if such a thing even exists, of the origins of traffic on 23, especially between Delaware and Columbus, which the relevant article is only talking about.