7 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Nope, I live in a world with pretty well-established concepts of what urbanity is... and what it isn't.  

 

I wasn't commenting on your "well-established concepts of what urbanity is". I was commenting on your bizarre claim that suburbanites think New Albany is suburban. 

2 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

 

I wasn't commenting on your "well-established concepts of what urbanity is". I was commenting on your bizarre claim that suburbanites think New Albany is suburban. 

 

I've seen plenty of comments in stories about New Albany suggesting that its "downtown" adheres to urban development and walkability concepts.  

On 10/21/2019 at 6:11 PM, jonoh81 said:

 

I've seen plenty of comments in stories about New Albany suggesting that its "downtown" adheres to urban development and walkability concepts.  

 

Saying it adheres to concepts is not the same as saying we are just as urban as (insert your favorite urban Columbus neighborhood here). Compared to many other suburban developments, what they are doing is relatively urban and walkable for those that live in the immediate area.

On 10/21/2019 at 2:43 PM, DTCL11 said:

I'm both surprised and not surprised that Delaware hasn't taken a lesson from Dublin and worked to make their downtown denser. While there is something to be said for main street USA, if the smaller towns, even the tiny ones, would work to invite some moderate density in their own cores, that would help too. As much heck as I give Dublin, they are central Ohio's bar for urbanizing the core of a suburb. 

 

I think this is really a matter of time and generational turnover. Dublin suburbanized and melted into the contiguous metro footprint years ago. Bridge Park, in some ways, seems like a natural progression. Delaware is just now starting to become contiguous to Columbus and its adjacent suburban growth. As the perceptions of what Delaware is and its role in the metro region changes, so will, likely, its policies.

Edited October 23, 20195 yr by scorpio

19 minutes ago, scorpio said:

 

Saying it adheres to concepts is not the same as saying we are just as urban as (insert your favorite urban Columbus neighborhood here). Compared to many other suburban developments, what they are doing is relatively urban and walkable for those that live in the immediate area.

 

That's a pretty low bar, though, and kind of proves what I said about it.  It's urban and walkable... to people who live in the suburbs.  That's not necessarily a knock against those people, it just annoys me when things are called urban and walkable when they're really not.  It waters down the definitions to excuse what is still really just suburban development.  Developers, in particular, are playing fast and loose with those terms in recent years, with one of the most glaring examples being Hamilton Quarter.

22 minutes ago, scorpio said:

 

I think this is really a matter of time and generational turnover. Dublin suburbanized and melted into the contiguous metro footprint years ago. Bridge Park, in some ways, seems like a natural progression. Delaware is just now starting to become contiguous to Columbus and its adjacent suburban growth. As the perceptions of what Delaware is and its role in the metro region changes, so will, likely, its policies.

 

I don't know about that.  Dublin still has room to sprawl, and it didn't need to build Bridge Park anything like they did.  It was a conscious choice to embrace more urban concepts there, maybe in part because they recognized that they could maximize things like property taxes by going denser, similar to the way UA and Grandview are now doing to some degree (and because they are both landlocked).  I just don't see that happening anytime soon with a place like Delaware, with plenty of room to expand and zero current effort to change development practices.  The county will most likely always be about sprawl.  

Edited October 23, 20195 yr by jonoh81

7 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

That's a pretty low bar, though, and kind of proves what I said about it.  It's urban and walkable... to people who live in the suburbs.  That's not necessarily a knock against those people, it just annoys me when things are called urban and walkable when they're really not.  It waters down the definitions to excuse what is still really just suburban development.  Developers, in particular, are playing fast and loose with those terms in recent years, with one of the most glaring examples being Hamilton Quarter.

 

I don't disagree that some developers are way too fast and loose with the terminology. I do feel like there are suburbs that are making good faith efforts to improve, to the best of their ability, the designs of the development they are getting and those efforts should be encouraged.

8 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

I don't know about that.  Dublin still has room to sprawl, and it didn't need to build Bridge Park anything like they did.  It was a conscious choice to embrace more urban concepts there, maybe in part because they recognized that they could maximize things like property taxes by going denser, similar to the way UA and Grandview are now doing to some degree (and because they are both landlocked).  I just don't see that happening anytime soon with a place like Delaware, with plenty of room to expand and zero current effort to change development practices.  The county will most likely always be about sprawl.  

 

Dublin proper doesn't, relatively speaking anyway. The townships around it certainly do. Dublin definitely deserves credit for their foresight, vision, and choices whatever the motivations may be. Urbanization and density typically is a result of necessity and cost. As those factors change for Delaware, I think their regulations and attitudes will eventually change. Probably not in the near future, and definitely not for the County as a whole, but for the city proper, they most likely will in time.

4 minutes ago, scorpio said:

 

Dublin proper doesn't, relatively speaking anyway. The townships around it certainly do. Dublin definitely deserves credit for their foresight, vision, and choices whatever the motivations may be. Urbanization and density typically is a result of necessity and cost. As those factors change for Delaware, I think their regulations and attitudes will eventually change. Probably not in the near future, and definitely not for the County as a whole, but for the city proper, they most likely will in time.

I think the discussion is about the county as a whole though. And it is more about lot sizes really and mixed use developments than actual urban developments in Delaware City or downtown proper, which would just be a drop of urbanity in the sea of sprawl that would be the rest of Delaware County.

 

*at least parts of Evans Farm are a step in the right direction.

2 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

I think the discussion is about the county as a whole though. And it is more about lot sizes really and mixed use developments than actual urban developments in Delaware City or downtown proper, which would just be a drop of urbanity in the sea of sprawl that would be the rest of Delaware County.

 

*at least parts of Evans Farm are a step in the right direction.

Since the comment in the conversation I spurred off from referenced downtown Delaware, that has been my focus. Now that you mention it, I agree, I think others in the discussion are referring to the County as a whole, especially since that is the theme of the thread.

Edited October 23, 20195 yr by scorpio

Just now, scorpio said:

Since the comment I the conversation spurred off from referenced downtown Delaware, that has been my focus but, I agree, I think others in the discussion are referring to the County as a whole.

Making central Delaware City more urban certainly is a good thing, and if there can be some Dublin Bridge Street type projects in Delaware County would be great, but there are bigger issues of sprawl and I have a feeling that many, many areas want large lots to specifically economically screen out "undesirable" residents.

I think suburban governments, particularly the unincorporated ones, sometimes are unfairly criticized. Constitutionally guaranteed private property rights, case law, the high cost/risk of litigation, and the provisions of state law pertaining to governmental structure, planning, and zoning somewhat stack the deck against them. They also sometimes are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

 

Approve a low-density development = enabling sprawl and destroying the environment.

 

Approve a high-density development = enabling sprawl, destroying the environment, and tick off the constituents in the community.

 

Deny a development of any density = Not helping the metro housing supply/affordability problem, risk litigation in Federal court, and risk annexation by a neighboring village or city willing to approve it.

 

EDIT: Forgot to mention annexation.

Edited October 23, 20195 yr by scorpio

10 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

Making central Delaware City more urban certainly is a good thing, and if there can be some Dublin Bridge Street type projects in Delaware County would be great, but there are bigger issues of sprawl and I have a feeling that many, many areas want large lots to specifically economically screen out "undesirable" residents.

No doubt there is a long, sad history of shady reasons for zoning regulations. Large lot requirements are no exception. That said, large lot provisions were/are also tied to the long-standing requirements of agencies overseeing septic systems, often at the County level. It is, or at least was in some areas, very common for said agencies to require larger lots in order to provide sufficient room for septic systems which made sense. Some agencies even wanted lots to be big enough to accommodate two systems in case the property was ever split or someone wanted to expand their home. Zoning codes were often written to reflect these requirements. Advancements in septic tech and the expansion of public sewer systems has made the size of a lot less of a concern but many zoning codes still retain these provisions put in place decades ago because its what has always been done, control population/traffic, provide an aesthetic often desired by the citizens of the community, and, yes, sadly, can restrict the demographics of an area.

For the longest time, Delaware City was like Circleville with a college. There's still a lot of people left with that mindset even if things have changed in the southern part of the County.

6 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

For the longest time, Delaware City was like Circleville with a college. There's still a lot of people left with that mindset even if things have changed in the southern part of the County.

 

Yep and those are the people often running for office and voting and thus setting policy. That's why I think its going to take time for those perceptions to change. The newer, younger people moving into the area and growing up in the area will not know it or remember it as a country town independent of Columbus; it will have always been an extension of greater Columbus.

Edited October 23, 20195 yr by scorpio

7 minutes ago, scorpio said:

No doubt there is a long, sad history of shady reasons for zoning regulations. Large lot requirements are no exception. That said, large lot provisions were/are also tied to the long-standing requirements of agencies overseeing septic systems, often at the County level. It is, or at least was in some areas, very common for said agencies to require larger lots in order to provide sufficient room for septic systems which made sense. Some agencies even wanted lots to be big enough to accommodate two systems in case the property was ever split or someone wanted to expand their home. Zoning codes were often written to reflect these requirements. Advancements in septic tech and the expansion of public sewer systems has made the size of a lot less of a concern but many zoning codes still retain these provisions put in place decades ago because its what has always been done, control population/traffic, provide an aesthetic often desired by the citizens of the community, and, yes, sadly, can restrict the demographics of an area.

 

That's often ribbon development, which near Columbus and other growing cities is really good at getting gobbled up by more dense and/or commercial uses. Think of all the '60s-'70s 2-5 acre ribbon development that has been eaten up in New Albany, Gahanna, Hillard, Groveport, and southern Delaware County.

19 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

 

That's often ribbon development, which near Columbus and other growing cities is really good at getting gobbled up by more dense and/or commercial uses. Think of all the '60s-'70s 2-5 acre ribbon development that has been eaten up in New Albany, Gahanna, Hillard, Groveport, and southern Delaware County.

 

For better or for worse, it's pretty easy to see what the future holds if current trends continue. Barring some unforeseen, significant event, situation, policy change(s), or market shift, the development north of 70 will eventually result in Marysville, Delaware, Galena, Sunbury, Johnstown, Granville, Newark, Heath, and Hebron all becoming satellite cities of Columbus; contiguous to the current urbanized metro footprint. Some of them are practically there already. South of 70, as has always been the case, will take longer to fill in but you will eventually be able to draw a similar arc around London, Mount Sterling, Circleville, Lancaster, and Buckeye Lake. Lancaster will likely be the first south of 70 to be completely drawn in. I'm not saying  any of the above is necessarily a good thing. There are serious environmental, social, economic, and logistical impacts but it does seem realistic, at least to me, given the direction things are headed.

Edited October 23, 20195 yr by scorpio

4 minutes ago, scorpio said:

 if current trends continue.

 

Sounding more like Disco Stu than Scorpio, LOL

 

4 hours ago, scorpio said:

I think suburban governments, particularly the unincorporated ones, sometimes are unfairly criticized. Constitutionally guaranteed private property rights, case law, the high cost/risk of litigation, and the provisions of state law pertaining to governmental structure, planning, and zoning somewhat stack the deck against them. They also sometimes are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

 

Approve a low-density development = enabling sprawl and destroying the environment.

 

Approve a high-density development = enabling sprawl, destroying the environment, and tick off the constituents in the community.

 

Deny a development of any density = Not helping the metro housing supply/affordability problem, risk litigation in Federal court, and risk annexation by a neighboring village or city willing to approve it.

 

EDIT: Forgot to mention annexation.

You have to think about why does high density development tick off constituents? Classism is still a strong force in society just like racism is.  There is a reason Columbus is one of the most economically segregated larger metros in the country.  I don't think you can underestimate the "keeping them out" mindset in upper income suburban areas in southern Delaware County and in certain areas of Franklin County. 

 

Sure some people are sincere when they complain about increased congestion, etc. but there is also a lot of insincerity as well.  Too bad Columbus stopped it's annexation because at least the city of Columbus would have some say in this sprawl.  I wonder if the area around Polaris in Columbus has the highest density in Delaware County?

Edited October 23, 20195 yr by Toddguy

7 hours ago, scorpio said:

 

Dublin proper doesn't, relatively speaking anyway. The townships around it certainly do. Dublin definitely deserves credit for their foresight, vision, and choices whatever the motivations may be. Urbanization and density typically is a result of necessity and cost. As those factors change for Delaware, I think their regulations and attitudes will eventually change. Probably not in the near future, and definitely not for the County as a whole, but for the city proper, they most likely will in time.

 

What Dublin is doing is not much different than any much larger city, including Columbus.  There will always be parts that are single-family and pretty suburban, but also parts that are dense and urban.  Few cities out there don't have both.  You're right that outside of its core, Dublin is still mostly sprawl, but a lot of that was built prior to any of these view changes.  It remains to be seen if they push for better development in other parts of their land area.

New 2,000-acre business park is planned along Routes 36/37 in Berlin Township of Delaware County.  The new development - to be called the Berlin Business Park - is located between I-71 and the City of Delaware:

 

https://www.dispatch.com/business/20190604/delaware-county-plans-2000-acre-berlin-business-park

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/05/28/delaware-county-officials-plan-2-000-acre-business.html

 

https://www.thisweeknews.com/news/20190719/2000-acre-business-park-in-berlin-township-will-fill-need-leaders-say

 

What’s being dug along Delaware’s Hogback Road? A private lake for Worthington Industries CEO John P. McConnell

Dean Narciso - Jan. 26, 2020

Link: https://www.thisweeknews.com/news/20200126/whatrsquos-being-dug-along-delawarersquos-hogback-road-private-lake-for-worthington-industries-ceo-john-p-mcconnell

 

"The project, a man-made lake and pond, is on private property, part of the 110-acre estate owned by John P. McConnell, CEO and chairman of Worthington Industries and majority owner of the Columbus Blue Jackets hockey team. The 23.6-acre lake will have a scuba area about 30-feet deep and a 1.5-acre island in the center, according to diagrams prepared by Gahanna-based Watcon Consulting Engineers and filed with the Ohio Department of Natural Resources."

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.3041759,-82.9464895,962m/data=!3m1!1e3

I guess things are looking up for Kilbourne, after all.

People with that kind of money are kinda alien to me. Like......I know I say this as a poor person, but ...just why? lol.

17 hours ago, Zyrokai said:

People with that kind of money are kinda alien to me. Like......I know I say this as a poor person, but ...just why? lol.

 

Because they can, lol.  That's the only reason.

22 hours ago, Zyrokai said:

People with that kind of money are kinda alien to me. Like......I know I say this as a poor person, but ...just why? lol.

Are you asking why someone would want to live next to water?

I just want to know what he intends to see scuba diving in his brand new mud lake? It's not exactly like they'll be coral or a shipwreck

16 minutes ago, 17thState said:

I just want to know what he intends to see scuba diving in his brand new mud lake? It's not exactly like they'll be coral or a shipwreck

 

They'll probably have some vehicles. I grew up near a family that had part of an old quarry on their property and they sunk a bus, small plane, and a few cars for scuba diving. He can probably afford to bring in a big salvage or something.  

12 minutes ago, 17thState said:

I just want to know what he intends to see scuba diving in his brand new mud lake? It's not exactly like they'll be coral or a shipwreck

If you have to ask, you can't afford it.

4 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

If you have to ask, you can't afford it.

 

This season on Tanked! We think outside the box and build a full scale scuba experience in Ohio!

 

 

Plan designed to establish Delaware County Fairgrounds as year-round ‘destination’

 

The Delaware County Agricultural Society has a plan to turn the county fairgrounds into one of central Ohio’s leading venues for special events.

 

Construction of a new Junior Fair-Agriculture Center building will be one of the first steps in the effort that could take 15 years to complete, with a number of new structures planned.  “The Little Brown Jug (harness race) brings attention to the fairgrounds every September, but our plans for the future will bring attention to the entire fairgrounds all year", said county commissioner Jeff Benton.

( . . . )

Other steps will include upgrades to the fairgrounds’ Coliseum, Merchants Building and Arts and Crafts Building, new agricultural buildings, a new show/sale arena, total grounds fencing, a Pennsylvania Avenue sidewalk, an enclosure of the covered equine arena, tree planting and an expansion of the midway.

 

MORE:  https://www.thisweeknews.com/news/20200306/plan-designed-to-establish-delaware-county-fairgrounds-as-year-round-destination

Orange Township holds virtual town hall to plot the future of a key Delaware County corridor

 

"(Route) 23 needs a sense of place, and that can be accomplished by mixed-use developments at key intersections."

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/04/10/delaware-county-holds-virtual-town-hall-to-plot.html

 

Planning for new Powell library undaunted, so far, by coronavirus

 

Design work continues for the new Delaware County District Library branch in Powell, and leaders still anticipate breaking ground in the summer.  But they said the COVID-19 coronavirus pandemic and subsequent restrictions have brought many unknowns into the process.

 

Library director George Needham said the hope is to have a groundbreaking ceremony in the summer at the site, within the Middlebury Crossing development at Home and Steitz roads.  That would be followed by preliminary site work, with construction of the 20,000 to 25,000-square-foot building set to begin in the fall following approval of the design by the city of Powell’s Planning and Zoning Commission.

 

“We are continuing to work with the architect and construction manager on our plans, but we do not have a firm handle at this point on what the pandemic may do to the schedule,” Needham said. ... The cost of the project is anticipated to be $7.5 million, not counting the cost of the land purchase.  Delaware County voters’ renewal of a 1-mill levy in November 2018 will allow the library – the fifth in the county’s system – to be built.

 

MORE:  https://www.thisweeknews.com/news/20200421/planning-for-new-powell-library-undaunted-so-far-by-coronavirus

On 9/25/2019 at 9:15 AM, cbussoccer said:

 

Delaware's downtown is very cool and pretty underrated in my opinion.

 

Obvious pipe dream here, but how could would it be to have rail line starting at the northern end of Delaware's downtown and following 23/High Street all the way down to German Village. It will never happen, but it can't hurt to dream I guess.

 

 

this has been the dream since the 1980s.

i think it can and will happen.

i know, i know, but someday it most certainly will be a reality.

not too far off i don't think.

20yrs maybe?

i would bet that.

 

the thing is, it wont be piecemeal, columbus is going to get rail transit like that going all at once in a big project or two.

that's always been my best guess anyway.

33 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

 

 

this has been the dream since the 1980s.

i think it can and will happen.

i know, i know, but someday it most certainly will be a reality.

not too far off i don't think.

20yrs maybe?

i would bet that.

 

the thing is, it wont be piecemeal, columbus is going to get rail transit like that going all at once in a big project or two.

that's always been my best guess anyway.

 

I think there will eventually be some sort of rail transport connecting downtown Delaware to downtown Columbus, but it will be difficult to make that happen along High Street even though I would love for it to happen. I can only imagine the outrage when trying to get it built through Worthington. 

 

There is a freight rail line that passes under the convention center and goes all the way north to Delaware. If they could somehow work out a deal for ROW access or build an additional rail for passenger only trains which would follow the current rail path, it would be amazing. The same rail (I think) also goes all the way to Lancaster and passes directly through Groveport and Canal Winchester. As a matter of fact, Canal already has an old train depot along these tracks! 

51 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

I think there will eventually be some sort of rail transport connecting downtown Delaware to downtown Columbus,

 

1 hour ago, mrnyc said:

i know, i know, but someday it most certainly will be a reality.

not too far off i don't think.

20yrs maybe?

But, I don't wanna wait 20 years! ?  Can't we just do it in like 5, instead?

Would politics dictate that a northern commuter line run through Polaris? That has always appeared to me to be the conventional wisdom at least.

1 hour ago, Dev said:

Would politics dictate that a northern commuter line run through Polaris? That has always appeared to me to be the conventional wisdom at least.

 

It would definitely be pushed for. The railway I mentioned above just so happens to pass fairly close to Polaris. 

4 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

 

I think there will eventually be some sort of rail transport connecting downtown Delaware to downtown Columbus, but it will be difficult to make that happen along High Street even though I would love for it to happen. I can only imagine the outrage when trying to get it built through Worthington. 

 

There is a freight rail line that passes under the convention center and goes all the way north to Delaware. If they could somehow work out a deal for ROW access or build an additional rail for passenger only trains which would follow the current rail path, it would be amazing. The same rail (I think) also goes all the way to Lancaster and passes directly through Groveport and Canal Winchester. As a matter of fact, Canal already has an old train depot along these tracks! 

 

 

What fun would it be to turn this little area in Groveport into some TOD?

18 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

It would definitely be pushed for. The railway I mentioned above just so happens to pass fairly close to Polaris. 

 

Oh yes, I am very familiar with that line all right. I grew up a half mile from it and drove over it to get to school. I just wasn't sure if people would force a commuter line to go through Polaris, not next to it. The NIMBYs will use whatever argument they can try.

 

15 hours ago, Dev said:

 

Oh yes, I am very familiar with that line all right. I grew up a half mile from it and drove over it to get to school. I just wasn't sure if people would force a commuter line to go through Polaris, not next to it. The NIMBYs will use whatever argument they can try.

Since Polaris isn't walkable, it doesn't seem to me like the exact placement would have any impact.

Article about new warehouse development in southern Delaware County.  Because, "speculative warehouses - it not just for Rickenbacker anymore":

 

Speculative warehouses going up in Lewis Center

 

Lewis Center is getting a new industrial development along its busy Rt. 23 corridor.  Columbus-based Tenby Partners recently broke ground on a pair of speculative warehouses at 850 and 870 Corduroy Road, behind the Menards store in Lewis Center.  The first of the two 100,000-square-foot flex-warehouse buildings is on schedule to be completed by the end of the year.

( . . . )

To the north, county officials broke ground last year on a $10 million extension of Home Road off Rt. 23 in Lewis Center, beginning an infrastructure project that will eventually result in an east-west connector that opens the door for industrial traffic into southern Delaware County and, officials say, a commercial development boom.

 

MORE:  https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/09/09/lewis-center-getting-new-industrial-complex.html

A design for the new Powell branch of the Delaware County District Library system has been approved, the land has been purchased, and a groundbreaking ceremony is scheduled for Nov. 18.  And it will be called the Liberty Branch Library - as it is located in Liberty Township in southern Delaware County:

 

https://www.thisweeknews.com/story/news/local/delaware-news/2020/10/20/powell-library-called-liberty-branch/6000805002/

 

13 minutes ago, Columbo said:

A design for the new Powell branch of the Delaware County District Library system has been approved, the land has been purchased, and a groundbreaking ceremony is scheduled for Nov. 18.  And it will be called the Liberty Branch Library - as it is located in Liberty Township in southern Delaware County:

 

https://www.thisweeknews.com/story/news/local/delaware-news/2020/10/20/powell-library-called-liberty-branch/6000805002/

 

Beautiful. Have money, will design.

Delaware County's vision for Rt. 23: Denser, mixed-use projects to expand tax base

 

As Central Ohio's population continues to increase, Rt. 23 in Delaware County will serve as one of the major avenues of that growth.  A new zoning overlay there is intended to guide that growth into a denser growth with mixed-use projects.

 

Orange Township this month approved a new zoning overlay to guide development of 1,683 acres of land along the corridor with a zoning outline that it hopes will guide development, which today officials call a "hodgepodge" of suburban shopping centers, housing developments, industrial use and no clear unifying identity.  "We want to promote that office, commercial and mixed-use, our overall focus and goal is growing the commercial development here and diversifying the tax base," Trustee Ryan Rivers said.

 

They overlay designates 478 acres for mixed-use development, 568 acres for commercial and office space, and 628 acres for light industrial.  It also caps housing units to 400 between Shanahan and Lewis Center roads, 435 between Lewis Center and Orange roads, and 350 from Orange Road to Green Meadows Drive South.  Land adjacent to Rt. 23 to recommended for mixed-use projects, with ground-floor commercial and residential units above them.

 

MORE:  https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/11/02/delaware-countys-vision-for-route-23-denser.html

 

2,000 acres in Delaware County readied for business use

 

Berlin Township leaders have positioned a 2,000-acre swath of county land for business use, anticipating a massive boost to the growing Delaware County economy.

 

The envisioned Berlin Business Park spreads from the eastern edge of the city of Delaware, roughly along the U.S. Route 36 and 37 corridor until it intersects with I-71 near Sunbury.  Berlin Township officials approved the final overlay for the property, completing the administrative positioning of the land and allowing them to begin seeking business tenants.

 

MORE:  https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/12/17/2-000-acres-in-delaware-county-readied-for-busines.html

The taxpayers are paying $100M for a redundant I-71 interchange boondoggle so that people can build more sprawling trash developments on green fields.

Such is the Ohio way.

2 minutes ago, Ted said:

The taxpayers are paying $100M for a redundant I-71 interchange boondoggle so that people can build more sprawling trash developments on green fields.

 

You obviously don't travel that area often, it's a country road interchange for an area that has grown significantly in the past decade.  Adding more businesses will only make it worse and unattractive to companies they are trying to attract.  I'm sure you didn't have the same complaint when they quietly rebuilt the one that leads to West Jeff, which alone attracted about 1,000 jobs.

1 hour ago, wpcc88 said:

 

You obviously don't travel that area often, it's a country road interchange for an area that has grown significantly in the past decade.  Adding more businesses will only make it worse and unattractive to companies they are trying to attract.  I'm sure you didn't have the same complaint when they quietly rebuilt the one that leads to West Jeff, which alone attracted about 1,000 jobs.

I'm honestly struggling a bit to interpret this comment.

 

1 hour ago, wpcc88 said:

You obviously don't travel that area often, it's a country road interchange for an area that has grown significantly in the past decade

That makes it seem like you're for the exit.

 

1 hour ago, wpcc88 said:

only make it worse and unattractive to companies they are trying to attract

That makes it seem like you're against.

 

1 hour ago, wpcc88 said:

which alone attracted about 1,000 jobs.

Once again, for?

 

How should I feel about this project? lol  Obviously we all hate sprawl here.  But, this should lead to net gains for the region, right?