You mean, after the "catch."

 

Playoff teams don't squander their fourth-quarter leads this badly

 

 

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Deshaun Watson has another suit filed against him alleging sexual misconduct in ‘20; not expected to impact his suspension

 

Updated: Oct. 13, 2022, 10:48 p.m.|Published: Oct. 13, 2022, 10:10 p.m.

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Three days after Deshaun Watson was permitted back at the Browns facility, a 26th massage therapist has filed a civil suit against him alleging sexual misconduct during an appointment.

 

The suit was filed Thursday in Harris County District Court in Texas by “Jane Doe,” stemming from an incident in December 2020.

 

The first 25 plaintiffs, including one that dropped her suit, were all represented by Houston attorney Tony Buzbee, but the new one is represented by Houston attorney Anissah Nguyen.

 

Apropos of nothing that happened on the second play of the game, my new nickname for Kevin Stefanski is “galaxy brain”.

Nothing a multi-billion-dollar publicly subsidized stadium won't fix.

 

But at least we get to see the rapist start in 6 weeks.

If only I were allowed to say RUN THE BALL…

2 and 4.

 

1 hour ago, TBideon said:

Nothing a multi-billion-dollar publicly subsidized stadium won't fix.

 

But at least we get to see the rapist start in 6 weeks.

The suspended quarterback hasn't been presented to a grand jury for that sort of act....yet, but based upon how things are going, that sort of action could be added to his list of perverted things.  Just think, it has been stated that when he comes back in December, he will assume the role of "leader of the team".  Wonderful, somebody who should be put on a predator list being anointed with that title.

 

This is what you get with an inept owner trying to run football operations.  This is the same owner whose influence caused Johnny Football to be drafted and put in eventually as a starter.  

 

Looks like the Texans will be getting a nice high first round draft pick for that awful deal where they duped a fool to pick up a player who they did not to ever play for them again.

Has anyone been fired yet?

 

38 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Has anyone been fired yet?

 

In true Cleveland fashion, the Browns are working on hiring a consultant.  Hopefully it's @YABO713

They should hire Francona

17 hours ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

This is what you get with an inept owner trying to run football operations.  This is the same owner whose influence caused Johnny Football to be drafted and put in eventually as a starter.  

Now that Tennessee football is relevant again, he can direct his attention back to wrecking that program and away from the Browns.

18 hours ago, Cleburger said:

In true Cleveland fashion, the Browns are working on hiring a consultant.  Hopefully it's @YABO713

19 hours ago, Cleburger said:

In true Cleveland fashion, the Browns are working on hiring a consultant.  Hopefully it's @YABO713

A consultant is just a fancy term for the guy who takes the fall when the sh*t hits the fan. 

Maybe the consultant can throw in yet another lakefront or Burke airport study as long as he's at it.

@YABO713 I was looking forward to a spirited defense of the coaching staff. Should I not hold my breath? 
 

All ribbing aside, I am shocked that AVP has not been given play calling duties and that Joe Woods is still on the team.

 

But, hey, Coach knows they have to be better and that it starts with him, so we’ve got that going for us.

16 hours ago, Ineffable_Matt said:

@YABO713 I was looking forward to a spirited defense of the coaching staff. Should I not hold my breath? 
 

All ribbing aside, I am shocked that AVP has not been given play calling duties and that Joe Woods is still on the team.

 

But, hey, Coach knows they have to be better and that it starts with him, so we’ve got that going for us.

 

The only thing I really can critique Stefanski for, offensively, is not getting the ball in Chubb's hands more. My buddy texted me after watching the film (he had to help with pro personnel this week to assist the Bears mid-season decisions), and told me he had to mark 7 MEPs (missed explosive plays) for Jacoby Brisett. An explosive play is defined as any gain over 25 yards. 2 of those would've resulted in Schwartz TDs, 1 would have resulted in a DPJ TD, the other four would have been long first downs to Hunt, Cooper, and Njoku. With the exception of my earlier point re: Chubb's touches, our offense is an excellent positions to win games, but as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water... Having said that - there are situational awareness issues I think Stefanski needs to do a better job hammering into the team, I.E. DPJ's batted ball. Though, the Browns aren't badly penalized on the whole, and I can't fault the onside kick hustle. You could tell on the replay it was instinctual to reach in, and he quickly tried to adjust his body. 

 

As for Joe Woods, I have mixed feelings. I hate disruptions like that midseason, but it's been VERY bad. Our tackling is atrocious, and our zone assignments have been REALLY bad. We should most certainly be playing more man and blitzing - and that's for two reasons (only one of which is Woods' fault):

 

• 1. Our 1 and 3 techniques are BAD, which in turn makes our LBs bad. It's an impossible task to ask a linebacker to play the run when his interior linemen are being blown off the ball 3-4 yards. Dick Butkus couldn't have done that. Great 1 and 3 techs command double teams and occupy both, without losing their gap. Good 1 and 3 techs can occupy their gap and their man. Bad 1 and 3 techs can get beat with a single blocker, expose their chest, and get blown off the ball. If we show man blitz more often it at least forces their O-Line to account for an anticipated rush in their respective gaps, which opens us up for stunts, even if we don't blitz. 
• 2. We straight up BLOW ASSIGNMENTS in zone. And that's on Woods (as well as the veteran players like JJIII)

Grant Delpit makes some good plays, but he's not a cerebral player. That jet sweep touchdown was his man, he watched him come in jet motion across the field and still got sucked inside. If you see it from the endzone view, it's barf-worthy. But again, that's also on Woods. 

 

 

^ But regarding your point about getting Chubb the ball more, do you think there is a certain calculus on managing his touches during the season in order to try and keep him healthier down the stretch? Yes, it may be beneficial to get Chubb 5-10 more touches in some of these games but does Stefanski calculate that if he does that now, Chubb may break down in week 10 or 11?

 

Is this a reasonable theory?

Stefanski needs to work on his own situational awareness, e.g. going for two when an extra point makes it a one possession game. IDGAF what analytics tells you, that was a poor call that put the team further behind the eight ball.
 

As far as missed explosive plays, Brissett has made it painfully obvious that he is simply not going to make those plays. I’d rather setup easy throws for him by running the ball with the best running back in the NFL (not Hunt, whom we should have traded).

 

With less than 2 minutes left in the third quarter of a game that was 10-6 at the half, Chubb had 9 carries. That in and of itself is a fireable offense. What is the thought process behind that - “Well, I know Belichik is going to take away Chubb, might as well not even

 other”?

unless i’m missing something, this was a pretty mild trolling by the pats, or not even one at all lol.

 

 

On 10/18/2022 at 10:15 AM, Brutus_buckeye said:

^ But regarding your point about getting Chubb the ball more, do you think there is a certain calculus on managing his touches during the season in order to try and keep him healthier down the stretch? Yes, it may be beneficial to get Chubb 5-10 more touches in some of these games but does Stefanski calculate that if he does that now, Chubb may break down in week 10 or 11?

 

Is this a reasonable theory?

Based upon the way Chubb has been used, by the time week 11 rolls around, it may no longer matter.

On 10/18/2022 at 1:36 PM, Ineffable_Matt said:

Stefanski needs to work on his own situational awareness, e.g. going for two when an extra point makes it a one possession game. IDGAF what analytics tells you, that was a poor call that put the team further behind the eight ball.
 

As far as missed explosive plays, Brissett has made it painfully obvious that he is simply not going to make those plays. I’d rather setup easy throws for him by running the ball with the best running back in the NFL (not Hunt, whom we should have traded).

 

With less than 2 minutes left in the third quarter of a game that was 10-6 at the half, Chubb had 9 carries. That in and of itself is a fireable offense. What is the thought process behind that - “Well, I know Belichik is going to take away Chubb, might as well not even

 other”?

Stefanski was questioned about personnel usage last season and he is making the same types of decisions now.  On top of it, he successfully used the strategy to have Chubb go down short of the goal line to allow the team run out the clock and win a game.  When presented with the same situation this year, he doesn't call for it.  Stefanski refuses to hand over play-calling duties.  His statements about the blame falling upon him are getting very old.  He could be very well over his head and making the same sorts of poor calls over and over again are a strong indication.

 

8 minutes ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

Stefanski was questioned about personnel usage last season and he is making the same types of decisions now.  On top of it, he successfully used the strategy to have Chubb go down short of the goal line to allow the team run out the clock and win a game.  When presented with the same situation this year, he doesn't call for it.  Stefanski refuses to hand over play-calling duties.  His statements about the blame falling upon him are getting very old.  He could be very well over his head and making the same sorts of poor calls over and over again are a strong indication.

 

 

IMO his personnel decisions have been phenomenal. The execution and failing to get the ball in Chubb's hands for another 5-8 touches a game, though, is his shortcoming. 

13 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

IMO his personnel decisions have been phenomenal. The execution and failing to get the ball in Chubb's hands for another 5-8 touches a game, though, is his shortcoming. 

 

Speaking of execution, the past two seasons we've seen some real garbage plays. Each time we see it I wonder, "what gave Stefanski the idea that this would work?" 

51 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

IMO his personnel decisions have been phenomenal. The execution and failing to get the ball in Chubb's hands for another 5-8 touches a game, though, is his shortcoming. 

When I mentioned the personnel decisions, I was referring to the players that he has on the field at specific times, specifically the lack of Chubb being on the field.  Even if he doesn't get the ball, the other team must be aware of what he can do.  Also, there too few times when both Chubb and Hunt are on the field at the same time.  It is beginning to appear that he will stick with Brissett too long.  He also goes to the three tight end sets quite often, even going back to his days as offensive coordinator in Minnesota.

Anyone fired yet?

35 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Anyone fired yet?

 

Can't blame the defense for this one. 

So if they start 2-6 is the season over and they just mail it in?

They played hard, but came up short. I think avoidable, stupid penalties had a big impact on the game.

12 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

So if they start 2-6 is the season over and they just mail it in?

Yep. They can put Dobbs in to see what he can do.

9 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Yep. They can put Dobbs in to see what he can do.

It makes me question the logic of the Watson decision even more. When your team is built to win, why waste so much capital on a franchise QB that wont help you immediately. They knew he was facing a lengthy suspension when they acquired him. They would have been better off trading for Matt Ryan, Jimmy G or even Teddy Bridgewater or even just rolling with Baker for 1 more year.  The team was too stacked in every other position to waste a year and in 2023, they may not have the same composition to compete like they did this year. 

I was speaking to my father over the weekend. He had been a Browns fan for about 60 years. Grew up In NE Ohio and remembers the days of Jim Brown and the NFL championship teams. Growing up, he would always make us watch the Browns games on TV even when the Bengals were on in market by getting an antenna strong enough to pick up the Columbus or Dayton signals.  Part of his Browns fandom died when they moved in the 90s but he still quietly kept his Browns loyalty. Last weekend he officially announced he is a Bengals fan now because the Watson deal was his last straw. He is sick of management and how they continue to screw things up and their ineptitude of running the team. He longs for the days of Art Modell and the desire to build a winner. He has not seen that in 20 years. 

24 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Matt Ryan, Jimmy G or even Teddy Bridgewater

Maybe, maaaaybe Jimmy G would have been a sort of upgrade. The other two names might as well say jacoby brissett.

10 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

 He longs for the days of Art Modell ...

Yikes!  Sorry for your friend.

8 minutes ago, Ineffable_Matt said:

Maybe, maaaaybe Jimmy G would have been a sort of upgrade. The other two names might as well say jacoby brissett.

I do not think there were any phenomenal upgrades, but remember, you could have the same as Brissett and you keep all the draft capital you squandered to get Watson and you can replenish the roster in future years to keep up (and maybe draft a franchise QB in a year or two as well)

45 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

He longs for the days of Art Modell 

 

You have got to be kidding me.... He got rid of Paul Brown. He got rid of Jim Brown. He got rid of the Cleveland Browns. May his gravesite be a toilet for generations of Browns fans.

Here's what's so crazy:

 

Last season the Browns are coming off a playoff run. For the first time in 30+ years everything is looking up. Browns play and awesome game but come up short vs. KC losing 33-29 in what surely looks like the future AFC Championship game. No worries though, Cleveland wins the next three games....except they don't look so good vs. Minnesota. 

 

And that's sorta when the wheels came off. Baker is injured and the highest paid backup QB turns out to be dead weight. 

 

The season slips away and yadda yadda yadda the Browns are suddenly back to being the laughingstock of the League. The universe just has a way of correcting itself. 

 

What's happened with the team in such short a time is just unprecedented. 

^ It's the curse of Art Modell.

1 hour ago, KJP said:

He got rid of the Cleveland Browns.

Actually, the culprit for getting rid of the Browns was Al Lerner. Moddell was just struggling financially, he let Lerner push him to move the team to Baltimore. The person who is responsible for pushing the Browns to Baltimore was Al Lerner.

19 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Actually, the culprit for getting rid of the Browns was Al Lerner. 

 

I do believe Lerner was the architect of the move. But the League should have never let that happen to begin with, just a real slap in the face to a fanbase that did nothing but support the team. Then three years without a team! Insult to injury, but the NFL had to set a precedent that cities would be punished for dragging their feet on stadiums. 

 

The franchise has never recovered and a generation of fans only know the Browns as unprecedented losers. 

10 minutes ago, surfohio said:

 

I do believe Lerner was the architect of the move. But the League should have never let that happen to begin with, just a real slap in the face to a fanbase that did nothing but support the team. Then three years without a team! Insult to injury, but the NFL had to set a precedent that cities would be punished for dragging their feet on stadiums. 

 

The franchise has never recovered and a generation of fans only know the Browns as unprecedented losers. 

The league should have stopped the madness. But at the end of the day, I am a bit sympathetic to Moddell. He was drowning in cash and looking for a lifeline and was unduly influenced by Lerner who ultimately wanted to own an NFL Team and ultimately wanted to own a team in Baltimore. He was positioning himself to be in a position to get control of the Browns once Moddell had to sell and if Baltimore did not have a team, it is likely Lerner would have moved them to Baltimore at that time. 

I'm still a little confused about it all. Why couldn't Modell just sell the Browns to Lerner or someone else willing to keep the team in Cleveland? Lerner paid a small fortune for the expansion franchise.

Rip Van Winkle himself could parachute into this thread today and determine the season isn't going very well for the Browns if we are arguing about A. Modell. 😂

1 hour ago, LibertyBlvd said:

I'm still a little confused about it all. Why couldn't Modell just sell the Browns to Lerner or someone else willing to keep the team in Cleveland? Lerner paid a small fortune for the expansion franchise.

Moddell still wanted to find a way to keep the team although the financial vice was closing in on him. He ended up having to sell to Boscotti shortly after moving the team to Baltimore. 
 

Lerner wanted the team, and thst was his first preference but Lerner wanted to move the team to Baltimore. He ultimately did not care what team he owned but his first preference was to own the team in Baltimore. After he lost out of a couple other ownership deals and expansion for Baltimore in the early 90s he cozied up to Moddell given his company’s strong Cleveland operation. His plan was to convince Moddell to move the team and be the financial backer and trusted advisor to allow him to own the team when Moddell was ready to sell. After he pulled the trigger on moving the team, Moddell and Lerners friendship soured and he was now on the outs to get control of the ravens. 

6 hours ago, KJP said:

 

You have got to be kidding me.... He got rid of Paul Brown. He got rid of Jim Brown. He got rid of the Cleveland Browns. May his gravesite be a toilet for generations of Browns fans.

Modell also famously fired Belichik, the 2nd most winningest coach in NFL history. 

15 hours ago, Cleburger said:

Modell also famously fired Belichik, the 2nd most winningest coach in NFL history. 

 

worse than even all that, he also got rid of the brownie.

trade winds rumors:

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kareem-hunt-trade-rumors-browns-listening-to-offers-on-veteran-rb-as-well-as-cb-greedy-williams/

11 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

trade winds rumors:

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kareem-hunt-trade-rumors-browns-listening-to-offers-on-veteran-rb-as-well-as-cb-greedy-williams/

 

Will be sad to see Kareem go.   Always good to have a hometown guy on the team. 

21 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Actually, the culprit for getting rid of the Browns was Al Lerner. Moddell was just struggling financially, he let Lerner push him to move the team to Baltimore. The person who is responsible for pushing the Browns to Baltimore was Al Lerner.

 

The culprit was david modell.   He antagonized everyone from the city to Gries and Lerner to the office staff with his clueless arrogance.    Pat doted on him, art doted on Pat.  He would wander the field like he was a coach pre-game, and the players would spit on his back.  I got that first hand from a Browns alumni.

 

The idea was to let him start over with a clean slate somewhere everyone didn't hate him.   By being himself, he wrecked that.

 

16 hours ago, Cleburger said:

Modell also famously fired Belichik, the 2nd most winningest coach in NFL history. 

 

Technically he did that when they were already the Ratbirds.

16 hours ago, Cleburger said:

Modell also famously fired Belichik, the 2nd most winningest coach in NFL history. 

But Belichick only had one winning season during his tenure with the Browns.