October 9, 2024Oct 9 We're doing it again. I have to think Stefanski would bench Watson if it was his choice. Based on plays like this and the sideline interactions between Stefanski and Watson, it's clear to me that Stefanski is extremely frustrated with Watson. Apparently the front office has not given up on him. If they did, they would be admitting to the worst trade in Cleveland Browns history and one of the worst ever in the NFL. This is just brutal.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 9, 2024Oct 9 On 10/8/2024 at 11:51 AM, surfohio said: Good Lord.....how is that record even possible in a league with a salary cap, and where the worst team gets the best pick in the draft? It's astounding. Even with our "brilliant" front office now, the Browns are barely above .500 at 50-48-1 since the 0-16 season in 2017. These are the clowns that brought back Hue after 0-16, replaced him with Gregg Williams who went 5-3, and let him go for Fast Food Freddie Kitchens who restored the Browns' losing ways. I don't like everything Stefanski does but he's actually a competent coach and it seems the front office is getting in his way. I wouldn't be surprised if he borrowed Kyle Shanahan's powerpoint presentation to the Haslams before walking out the door. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 10, 2024Oct 10 I have a hard time believing Stefanski would tell Watson not to throw to the decoy on a slant if the decoy was open and the first read was not. Who does that? If they didn't say that (and I believe they didn't), why would Watson accuse them of something so bizarre?? That's bizarre in and of itself. Ability-wise, what has happened to this guy? Is he hallucinating?? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 10, 2024Oct 10 21 minutes ago, KJP said: I have a hard time believing Stefanski would tell Watson not to throw to the decoy on a slant if the decoy was open and the first read was not. Who does that? If they didn't say that (and I believe they didn't), why would Watson accuse them of something so bizarre?? That's bizarre in and of itself. Ability-wise, what has happened to this guy? Is he hallucinating?? "Decoy" routes don't really exist FWIW
October 10, 2024Oct 10 17 minutes ago, YABO713 said: "Decoy" routes don't really exist FWIW Then he's truly hallucinating "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 14, 2024Oct 14 Interesting take "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 14, 2024Oct 14 I've been saying this all along. Was Watson ever THAT good? Nothing he did in Houston was memorable enough to make him the highest paid QB in the league and give away all our draft picks.
October 14, 2024Oct 14 47 minutes ago, Cleburger said: I've been saying this all along. Was Watson ever THAT good? Nothing he did in Houston was memorable enough to make him the highest paid QB in the league and give away all our draft picks. Very Stable Genius
October 14, 2024Oct 14 1 hour ago, KJP said: Interesting take Couldn't get much on X, since I don't have an account and refuse to get one, but at least his Substack was linked. The man has a way with words. Favorite line: "Jimmy Haslam is a Coen brothers villain, a schlubby hustler whose idea of a big score is a slip-and-fall in the Whole Foods produce aisle. We’re talking about a truck stop magnate who got caught skimming the profits off of gasoline rebate coupons from customers, for heaven’s sake: Haslam is one step up from the folks who siphoned gas out of parked cars by slurping it through a rubber hose during the 1970s oil crisis." 9 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said: The article says that 13 of those 2020 touchdowns were 4th quarter touchdowns, but that there were no 4th quarter comeback victories. That's about as good an indication that Watson's numbers were seriously padded out with garbage time heroics as any.
October 14, 2024Oct 14 FWIW last week Kurt Warner said he saw Watson miss open receivers like 24 separate times vs. Washington. That seems like a lot.
October 15, 2024Oct 15 sobering brownie fax — 🤡 https://www.instagram.com/p/DBHcPhryINV/?igsh=MWlkejhnd3B0bHFhbg==
October 16, 2024Oct 16 Watson has the worst QBR in the league...yet isn't getting benched. Almost looks like a directive from ownership? Very Stable Genius
October 16, 2024Oct 16 If I were getting $3.5 million to kiss the ring, I'd be keeping in the rapist too. Plus there's always the hope for injury. Ten more games and big Kev can go somewhere with fewer criminals.
October 17, 2024Oct 17 Browns got any heart left? Or are they just gonna take this abuse? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 17, 2024Oct 17 I'm sure they don't - of course, it's not like I'm doing backflips before/during work every day either; a job is just a job - but that is interesting footage. I've always wondered how trash talking works in the NFL (and NHL). Can they even hear and articulate from their helmets and crowd noise? Guess so.
October 23, 2024Oct 23 Stefanski giving up playcalling. Ken Dorsey will call the offense. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/kevin-stefanski-hands-over-offensive-play-calling-to-ken-dorsey#:~:text=Head coach Kevin Stefanski announced,during his Wednesday press conference. Am I the only one questioning this? Dorsey was fired from Buffalo after their high-powered offense struggled last year. They were a disappointing 6-6 after the bye week. Once Dorsey was fired, the offense returned to it's all pro form, they won the rest of their games and an AFC East title, losing to the Chiefs in the divisional round. Now think about the 2024 Browns vs 2023. Yes Watson returned, but is he the only reason for the complete undoing of a once power-ranked offense from 2023? Enter Ken Dorsey, and the Browns have barely been able to score points.
October 23, 2024Oct 23 winston & dorsey ok. now they got me interested, lets see what happens. i may go out with the browns backers to see this. 👍
October 27, 2024Oct 27 I actually thought we got away with that game today but seeing as I've watched the Browns snatch defeat away from the jaws of victory so many times I'll take it on our side for once. Winston for his faults gives the team life and it was good to see guys like Tillman, Jeudy and Moore getting into things. Edited October 27, 2024Oct 27 by snakebite
October 28, 2024Oct 28 5 hours ago, snakebite said: Winston for his faults gives the team life and it was good to see guys like Tillman, Jeudy and Moore getting into things. I admittedly didn't watch the entire game, but from the highlights it certainly casts a pall on Watson even more. Nothing much has change, yet Winston has added a spark.
October 28, 2024Oct 28 14 hours ago, Cleburger said: I admittedly didn't watch the entire game, but from the highlights it certainly casts a pall on Watson even more. Nothing much has change, yet Winston has added a spark. I only watched the highlights. But FWIW, that's as much of the Browns as I've watched this season since Week 1, and I literally just now finally bothered to read the last couple of weeks' worth of posts in this thread, including some of those depressing deep-dive video breakdowns of Watson's QB play.
October 29, 2024Oct 29 On 10/23/2024 at 5:01 PM, newyorker said: Mr. NYC, do you go to Haswell Greens BB? yes, big apple browns backers. that place is better than the liberty was, although that was nice too. i have not been this season yet tho.
October 30, 2024Oct 30 speaking of pubs — what its like to be a browns fan 100% — 😂 https://www.instagram.com/reel/DA6RDaZxL4I/?igsh=MTE3bnlwOGllNDJodg==
November 5, 2024Nov 5 We hardly knew ya "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 8, 2024Nov 8 this is great — 👍🎉 https://www.instagram.com/reel/C-sYcolJfIv/?igsh=c3loNzNndmQwbDhs
November 11, 2024Nov 11 44 minutes ago, mrnyc said: the chargers are still trolling. ok. 😬 Hey hey hey---c'mon man the Browns didn't lose yesterday! 😐
November 17, 2024Nov 17 49 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said: Maybe hiring the Moneyball guy was a mistake. Can't say I've spent much of my time watching this season, but I'd disagree. Decisions like Manzel and Watson seem to be overrides of the front office. If Jimbo would get out of the way and just pay the bills I think we'd be fine.
November 18, 2024Nov 18 Today the Browns Backer bar in my neighborhood had no Browns flags hanging outside and no Browns fans inside. Sad.
November 18, 2024Nov 18 1 hour ago, Luke_S said: Can't say I've spent much of my time watching this season, but I'd disagree. Decisions like Manzel and Watson seem to be overrides of the front office. If Jimbo would get out of the way and just pay the bills I think we'd be fine. Though we love the Browns we have to be honest and name what we have been watching under the HSG era - intentional sabotage: · Give away all future draft picks and bring an alleged multi-victim villain as the new face (mugshot) of the franchise. · Release Disneyland lakefront development plans for the lakefront out-of-the-blue in a solo PR move without any notice or input from City/County/State stakeholders while posturing as wanting a world-class lakefront. · Continue to demoralize NFL’s perennial top fanbase with non-stop losing seasons due to poor management and limited talent (too few draft picks) while peers in Pittsburgh and Baltimore (should have been the Browns when under Ozzie Newsome) somehow continually rebuild and remake themselves. · Go slient when City/State/Countyactually rally around those plans and begin planning and funds for stadium and lakrefront development. · With his bluff called he quietly walks away from those plans and receptive collaboration. · Drop (surprise!) vague and cobbled together ideas (not firm plans) for a new stadium in Brook Park on former industrial land that if true would likely need years and millions of State/Federal public hazmat clean-up dollars – Brownfield and EPA Super Fund – to make usable to such a use let alone for housing (?). · At the same time shine on the long-suffering citizenry and claim that their noble sacrifice of moving out of Cleveland will now actualize lakefront development – by others – not them - as they originally claim Cleveland needed and they would do themselves. · File lawsuits against the startled or whiplashed City/County/State – who believed they were in collaborative negotiations - on day one of the massive PR push extolling their new mirage plans in BP and sacrifice for Cleveland. Next ? · Sell a minority % stake of the Browns (as Buffalo is now doing for 25% stake) in accordance with the growing Multi-Club Ownership (MCO) bazillionaire movement · Sell up to 10% more to private equity investors · Count new cash windfall in back room and buy more franchises. · Cite new ownership demands and move to larger or international market (C-bus, OKC, Austin, Toronto, Mexico City…) with those plans some-how already completed and on the shelf. · Then in coordination with the NFL-controlled media blame the lack of City/County/State and false trope of a dwindling fanbase (see Art Modell blame game PR plan). NFL will say they tried twice but the Cleveland rubes wouldn't meet Saint Jimmy and NFL halfway. Hope we're wrong but sounds like the NFL verison of Major League (imagine Jimmy in the wigged role in pic below).
November 18, 2024Nov 18 14 hours ago, Luke_S said: Can't say I've spent much of my time watching this season, but I'd disagree. Decisions like Manzel and Watson seem to be overrides of the front office. If Jimbo would get out of the way and just pay the bills I think we'd be fine. DePodesta facilitated perhaps the worst trade in NFL history, maybe second only to the Herschel Walker trade. Very Stable Genius
November 18, 2024Nov 18 This is just one man's opinion. but what kind of toxic locker room must there be to foment an opinion like this? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 18, 2024Nov 18 Just now, KJP said: This is just one man's opinion. but what kind of toxic locker room must there be to foment an opinion like this? Can you imagine how much this town would love Josh Allen if we had taken him over Baker? Of course, Haslam would have probably already traded him away, but it's nice to dream.
November 18, 2024Nov 18 28 minutes ago, KJP said: This is just one man's opinion. but what kind of toxic locker room must there be to foment an opinion like this? That is how a gentleman delivers an FU gut punch to Jimmy-world
November 22, 2024Nov 22 Brown's upcoming TNF game vs Cincinnati has been moved to Sunday. https://fox8.com/news/browns-bengals-week-16-game-rescheduled/
November 22, 2024Nov 22 NY Giants release Daniel Jones. I wouldn't be surprised if the brown's take a flyer on him. ttps://bleacherreport.com/articles/10144412-daniel-jones-cut-by-giants-after-requesting-release-amid-benching-for-tommy-devito
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