The lack of comments in this thread -- seven hours after today's game -- is deafening!

 

Now that the Saints have pulled out Sunday night's game, the Browns are the lone winless team remaining in the NFL. I do think the Browns are past the worst of their season's schedule, although the rest isn't a walkover. Does anyone think Indianapolis is a walkover anymore? Or Washington?

 

Eleven losses in a row may not be enough to get a coach fired, but if the Browns fail to win as many games as they did in 2011 (!), that might just do it. I just don't think Shurmur has what it takes to be an NFL head coach. If the Browns followed the Indians' lead in getting a "head coach" with prior success in that position in the pros, I think it make more of a difference for the Browns than it would the Indians.

 

The Browns have some decent, young, undisciplined talent that a proven coach could work with. The Indians have a proven manager now but no talent and little chance of getting any considering their cheap-ass ownership. That is what we call a paradox.......

^BIG TUNA!!!!!!!

DITKA

During the second quarter of the Bengals broadcast, Marv Albert said "all is well in the state of Ohio" after a Browns-Giants update.  Boy was that short-lived...

 

Sunday, October 14, Cleveland Browns Stadium.  The Futility Bowl, Cleveland, Ohio.

They may not end with Shurmer, but the Browns' problems certainly start with him. 

 

In the second quarter, we're up 17-10 and driving in Giants' territory.  Trent just had two decent gains to get us in 3rd-and-1.  Shurmer takes Trent out and calls for a 15 yard hook which is intercepted and returned into Browns territory.  Horrible play call.  Completely swung the momentum to the Giants, especially when the 'butterfly effect' is Cribbs fumbling the ensuing kick return after the Giants score and tie the game.  Giants recover the fumble and score again to take the lead going into the half 24-17.  If Shurmer wouldn't have been such a knucklehead, we could have run down the clock and went into the half up either 20-10 or 24-10, depending on how that drive turned out.  Instead, we get ourselves behind and he stops going to Trent in the second half.

 

The, later on in the game, it is 3rd-and-6.  I look to my buddy and guarantee that they will not throw for the first down.  Sure enough, Shurmer calls a pre-determined pass to Watson in the flat and they fail to convert.

 

He has to go.  It's not just his system.  His calls a bad game using a bad system.

 

On another note, these injuries are exposing a lack of depth on our defense.  We need Phil Taylor back for run-stuffing.  I know people don't think DT is a 'sexy' position, but it is one of the most important and one of the hardest to play.  Winn and Hughes play well in short bursts, but the Giants wore them down as the game went on and were able to double-team Rubin.  With Fujita washed up and Gocong done for the year, we can't afford to lose DQ52 for any sustained period of time.  The defense collapsed when he went out.  Getting Haden back next week will be a god-send, but hopefully he is coming back as Patterson is going out.  Finally, I have to think we can find a FS off the street that will do a better job than the ones we have.   

Agreed all around.

This was painful for me! 

 

The Browns had a great start, then imploded!

 

I saw sparks of a good team, but the losses are painful.

Who is the most talented guy on the field when the Browns are on offense? Trent Richardson, by far. What I see of this kid astounds me. Every time he gets in the open field, my heart skips a beat. I suspect all the defenders' hearts skip a beat, too! So why in the world do you EVER take this guy off the field? When you do that, you tell the defense what you're going to do and what you're not going to do. Even if that play won't involve Richardson, having him on the field as a decoy occupies at least one defender. I doubt I'd even want to take him out on passing downs when an offense would normally go with a four WR set. Imagine how many defenders have to stay near the line of scrimmage on a passing down because Richardson is still in there. And if Shurmur really wanted to pass on that 3-and-1 yesterday, why not keep Richardson on the field to keep defenders near the line?

 

So in a nutshell, if Richardson is your best player, he needs to be on the field as much as possible -- especially at crunch time. On third down.

 

And then there's the lack of discipline..... Another coaching issue.

 

As for the lack of depth, that could have been addressed at least partially in each of the last two off-seasons via free agency. Yes, you build for the future through the draft, but you add depth via free agency. I realize we have a lot of holes that can't be fixed in just two years, but going 0-11 was certainly unavoidable with some stop-gap free agent moves to run a marketable business until enough talent can be drafted to be both a marketable business and a playoff contender.

 

Haslam didn't spend a billion dollars for a mantle piece. And if this team has a 13-game losing streak by the time he takes over officially, there's no way he can stand... Pat?

I see what you did there at the end ;)

 

We can debate whether you take TRich out on obvious 3rd down passing plays.  But your point is spot on for 3rd and short.  At the very least, having him out there keeps the box stacked and even if you are going to pass (and even if you are in the shotgun) you still play action to him every time in that situation.

 

Let's face it, the west coast offense should have never been brought here to begin with.  Incorporating palm trees into the stadium's landscaping makes about as much sense.

Who is the most talented guy on the field when the Browns are on offense? Trent Richardson, by far. What I see of this kid astounds me. Every time he gets in the open field, my heart skips a beat. I suspect all the defenders' hearts skip a beat, too! So why in the world do you EVER take this guy off the field?

 

Right on. I can see the concern from coming off surgery. Otherwise, it's confounding.

 

Ya know, there is a template the Browns should be following right now. And that is the Chargers circa 2006. Cam Cameron made LaDainian Tomlinson the focus of the offense. This not only put the ball in the hands of their best player; it gave Philip Rivers a chance to grow into the QB role. If defenses overplayed the run, Rivers had the ability to exploit single coverage to keep the other side honest. They were best when he'd throw 12-20 times for 180 yards, hardly spectacular but it won games. 

 

I think Weeden has this same ability.  And like LT, Richardson is a special player that you can build off of. So take the pressure of the QB and play to your strengths.  Make sure you've got WR's that 1. can block 2. catch and 3. have one guy fast enough to run motion into the backfield for handoffs/misdirection.

 

 

here is why you run on that third and one: we were in field goal range and time was running low in the half.  even if you ran TRich and he didn't get the first, you take 40 seconds off the clock and dawson comes in and puts you up 20-7 and you kick off with not much time left.

^yup. 

Shurmer's response to questioning on that call was essentially that his rookie QB threw a bad pass.  Unbelievable.  Dead man talking

Shurmer's response to questioning on that call was essentially that his rookie QB threw a bad pass.  Unbelievable.  Dead man talking

 

Yep. That actually pissed me off. I suspected it pissed off a lot of Browns players. They've all been very silent on Twitter this week. Yes, Weeden did throw a bad pass, but Weeden is still in only his fifth game as a pro. Why put so much pressure on him and then sh!t on him when he makes a mistake?

 

Great coaches make their players want to run through a wall for them. Not make them want to shove the coach through a wall.

I think my Sunday afternoons have just cleared up for the next couple months. I'll come back after Shurmer gets fired or at the beginning of next season. I don't really have anything much to do on Sunday afternoons usually, but sitting on the couch watching this implosion no longer beats closing my eyes for a nap on the "What's more interesting?" scale.

^you may not be the only one. My 5yo had a birthday party from 2-4 on Sunday, which I took her to. There were a bunch of other dads there as well. What I found interesting is that during that time, none of us brought up the Browns, or even thought to check the score. Usually when something like that happens, someone either has the game on a TV somewhere, or at a minimum, the topic comes up as small talk.

^you may not be the only one. My 5yo had a birthday party from 2-4 on Sunday, which I took her to. There were a bunch of other dads there as well. What I found interesting is that during that time, none of us brought up the Browns, or even thought to check the score. Usually when something like that happens, someone either has the game on a TV somewhere, or at a minimum, the topic comes up as small talk.

 

I hope Jimmy Haslam III starts receiving personal stories like this. It might cause him to rethink his "No immediate changes" pledge.

1 of the hundred or so nightmares of this season is over. Browns will not go winless.

1st game this season that the defense and the offense both made plays.  The offensive line was getting whipped in the first half and did a complete 360 for the second half.  The rookie DTs filled in well enough and having Haden back in the lineup was huge.  Gordon keeps on developing and Weeden is settling in.  I'm a little worried about the injury Trent suffered.  He got hurt early on and tried to play through it but it showed that he was hurt.  Luckily, the staff never seems to lose its faith in Hardestly and, for once, it paid off.

 

Marecic needs to go.  Lavao and Young too.

1st game this season that the defense and the offense both made plays.  The offensive line was getting whipped in the first half and did a complete 360 for the second half.  The rookie DTs filled in well enough and having Haden back in the lineup was huge.  Gordon keeps on developing and Weeden is settling in.  I'm a little worried about the injury Trent suffered.  He got hurt early on and tried to play through it but it showed that he was hurt.  Luckily, the staff never seems to lose its faith in Hardestly and, for once, it paid off.

 

Marecic needs to go.  Lavao and Young too.

 

Funny how they dropped Vickers for Marecic. They said Vickers cant catch and Marecic would be perfect for the system since he could.

 

We lost a great lead blocker who played a major role in Jerome Harrisons big games, and Peyton Hillis good season for a guy who cant catch or block. That was a terrible decision from day one.

 

Vickers wanted to stay here too.

Marearic couldn't catch a cold...

Fullback-as-receiver died in the 90s.  Larry Centers, Daryl Johnston, those guys.  These days anyone who's any good at it becomes a "thunder" halfback.

 

So happy about the win, I'll let the offense slide.  It was good today but only 21 points good.  D/ST gave us 13.  Colts seem beatable next week, and correct me if I'm wrong but I think Phil Taylor is now at least eligible to come back.

1st game this season that the defense and the offense both made plays.  The offensive line was getting whipped in the first half and did a complete 360 for the second half.  The rookie DTs filled in well enough and having Haden back in the lineup was huge.  Gordon keeps on developing and Weeden is settling in.  I'm a little worried about the injury Trent suffered.  He got hurt early on and tried to play through it but it showed that he was hurt.  Luckily, the staff never seems to lose its faith in Hardestly and, for once, it paid off.

 

Marecic needs to go.  Lavao and Young too.

 

Good analysis Hts.  What are you doing for the next 9 or 10 weekends this year?

shurmur probably got a repreive from the new owner.

 

and yay we will not go ofer.

 

and...dare i even think it? but we can the next one too its the colts. respek!

 

Congrats, Brownies.

 

The Bengals are much worse this year than I ever expected them to be.

I only saw the last 10 minutes of this game because of some family things, but it feels SO GOOD.  There were a few nail biting moments at the end where I thought they could blow it, but they proved me wrong.

 

Thank you Browns, you made my week.

I wasn't intending to watch but I'm glad I did. It looked the Browns got more than a few lucky breaks, managed to take advantage of the Bengals errors, kept the penalties to a minimum (Probably better than they've done since Mangini) and only had one turnover. Offense looked mediocre, which is sadly a huge improvement. Richardson looked hurt for a while before they pulled him, I'm glad they did so that they could show that they do have some depth with Hardesty as a backup. Cooper and Gordon looked pretty good, let's try to get the ball to them more often and to Little a bit less often. Defense showed up for the first time in a few weeks, Haden was nice to have back and Sheldon Brown looked better than he has all season.

Ivev been waiting for this win and i have said all along, if they can find out how to win a game, i think they will have confidence to string a few together.  This team has talent, its just raw.  The next two games are very winnable and I am hoping they are confident and believe they should win these games.  If they can figure out how to do that, the second half of the season will actually be quite enjoyable to watch.

 

By the way, Billy Winn was a great pick.

How does a team go 3-and-out SEVEN times in a row and still win??

 

Crazy.

^big plays.  There were plenty of them

How does a team go 3-and-out SEVEN times in a row and still win??

 

Crazy.

 

This game was sort of the inverse of their normal game plan of Cold Start- Decent Momentum- Stall/Choke at the end.

 

 

^ 4 Turnovers

I said last the summer that the first half-dozen or so games of the season were going to be brutal. But the Browns could realistically go .500 the rest of the way. The schedule alone was tough enough for any team, let alone a bunch of kids who have never seen so many big guys around them who could move so fast and make plays. I love this team's raw talent, especially on offense. I loved the pickup of Josh Gordon. I watched a lot of video of the guy before the supplemental draft, so I literally jumped for joy when the Browns picked him up. He's got all the physical attributes to be a great receiver, but needs to learn how to use his hands and arms to get position on defenders. So for the time being he's only going to be able to beat NFL DBs with his size and speed. But it looks like he's learning fast. I am more impressed with his catches in traffic over the middle than I was with his ability to run deep routes.

 

T-Rich is awesome in the open field, but he drives me nuts with his hesitation in looking for openings between defenders. Those holes don't stay open for long in this league. Hardesty has been playing at the NFL level long enough to realize you don't hesitate. Hopefully Richardson isn't hurt, but running back is one position where we do have some depth with Hardesty, Ogbonnaya and Jackson.

 

BTW, the reports of Josh Cribbs' retirement were greatly exaggerated.

 

Weeden's TD-INT ratio is starting to close (yesterday's INT was very unfortunate) to 7 TD and 10 INT. Weeden is also averaging 253 yards passing per game. At this rate, he will throw for 4,050 yards in his rookie season. If he does that, he will challenge Cam Newton for most passing yards by a rookie in a season (4,051). I've loved Weeden's story, riding the buses in the minor leagues for six years only now to make it to The Show, albeit a different major league. And he gets his first victory on his 29th birthday, earning a 93 passer rating in the win. Way to go, Old Man! :)

 

So that was the last game of Lerner era of the Browns. I don't doubt Al Lerner cared about the Browns and he wanted to win, but Randy couldn't have cared less. He owned it for 10 years only as a promise to his late father. I truly believe the only reason Randy hired Mike Holmgren in 2009 was to develop a team that would be worth more by the time his 10-year ownership promise had expired. It was easily the worst ownership era in Browns history. I'm looking forward to the Haslam era, if for no either reason that the guy WANTS to own an NFL team. Another positive is that Haslam at least has some talent on the field to work with and to build upon.

 

The Browns picked up a ton of talent in the past off-season. But that didn't make the first half-dozen games of the season any less brutal. If anything, it built character and chemistry! If this team builds into something, guys like Weeden, Richardson, Gordon, Benjamin, Schwartz and others will look back at those first five games as "shared misery that brought us closer together." It's one win, and it's just a start. So keep looking to the future.

^I thought that rumor of a 10 year promise had been debunked?

 

It's a shame we couldn't have won one or two of those previous games.  If the Charges lose tonight, the only teams in the AFC with above .500 records will be the Texans and the Ravens.  It's wide open out there.

^I thought that rumor of a 10 year promise had been debunked?

 

How does Randy disprove it?

 

It's a shame we couldn't have won one or two of those previous games.  If the Charges lose tonight, the only teams in the AFC with above .500 records will be the Texans and the Ravens.  It's wide open out there.

 

True, and too bad we're not in the AFC East right now! But I really did think the Browns had little or no chance to win in the first five games, except for the Buffalo game. I have long considered this season as an extended training camp for the 2013 season. After the offense gets more experience, I truly believe this team needs maybe three players to beat good teams: an explosively vicious OLB, a CB to join with Haden, and a safety who can cover AND tackle. Maybe one or two of those guys is already on this team (ie: Sheldon Brown as  safety).

 

BTW, did you catch Shurmur's post-game locker-room speech? Very inspiring...

 

Even so, Shurmur saved his job yesterday.

Even so, Shurmur saved his job yesterday.

Or at least delayed the inevitable. He probably guaranteed himself employment till the end of the season with yesterday's win. Now he's got to prove he deserves to stay at the wheel for next year.

The kid from Georgia might be the cure at OLB.  I think a healthy Patterson is a good #2 CB, but depth at CB never hurts.  I would add a road-grader at guard and a true #1 WR to the list of needs.

The kid from Georgia might be the cure at OLB.  I think a healthy Patterson is a good #2 CB, but depth at CB never hurts.  I would add a road-grader at guard and a true #1 WR to the list of needs.

 

Who, Jarvis Jones? He certainly has the explosiveness and ferocity and excels at both pass and run defense. Jones is probably a top-10 pick, and everybody wants rabid LBs, so I hope he's still there when the Browns' turn comes up.

 

You can never have too many lineman on either side of the line. As for CBs, I'll wait and see on Patterson.

 

And considering that WRs often take a year or two to figure out how to get open in the NFL, I'd say the early returns on Josh Gordon, Travis Benjamin and even Greg Little (if he could learn to focus a little better), are encouraging. I'd love to see what Josh Cooper can do from week-to-week. He could be a Brian Brennan-Joe Jurevicius type WR.

 

Put it this way: Josh Gordon (12 rec, 274 yds, 3 TDs) is already out-performing fellow rookies Stephen Hill (8 rec, 112 yds, 3 TDs) and Justin Blackmon (13 rec, 119 yds, 0 TDs) who were considered to be #1 WRs. Perhaps we already have that guy.....

Who, Jarvis Jones? He certainly has the explosiveness and ferocity and excels at both pass and run defense. Jones is probably a top-10 pick, and everybody wants rabid LBs, so I hope he's still there when the Browns' turn comes up.

 

That's the guy.  Von Miller type potential.

 

As for CBs, I'll wait and see on Patterson.

 

I thought he held his own when Haden was out.  Now that he won't be asked to cover the #1 WR, he can only look better.

 

I'd love to see what Josh Cooper can do from week-to-week. He could be a Brian Brennan-Joe Jurevicius type WR.

 

I can see the Brian Brennan comparison.  Smaller, slippery slot reciever with great hands and toughness going over the middle.  But I think you are stretching the white athlete - to - white athlete comparison a little think with Joe J. 

Who, Jarvis Jones? He certainly has the explosiveness and ferocity and excels at both pass and run defense. Jones is probably a top-10 pick, and everybody wants rabid LBs, so I hope he's still there when the Browns' turn comes up.

 

That's the guy.  Von Miller type potential.

 

I just read that Jones suffers from spinal stenosis, an abnormal narrowing of the spinal canal. It appears his stenosis is in his neck, which "is more dangerous because it involves compression of the spinal cord."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinal_stenosis

 

It was bad enough that his former team, USC, refused to let him play. So Jones transferred to a team that would let him play.

 

I can see the Brian Brennan comparison.  Smaller, slippery slot reciever with great hands and toughness going over the middle.  But I think you are stretching the white athlete - to - white athlete comparison a little think with Joe J. 

 

Both were possession receivers with 10-year careers and nearly identical numbers:

 

Brennan 132 rec, 4336 yds, 20 TDs

Jurevicius 133 rec, 4119 yds, 29 TDs

If he doesn't get drafted, maybe I could get him SSI.

I just read that Jones suffers from spinal stenosis, an abnormal narrowing of the spinal canal. It appears his stenosis is in his neck, which "is more dangerous because it involves compression of the spinal cord."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinal_stenosis

 

Playing contact sports with cervical stenosis is like playing Russian Roulette.

^Apparently, he has a very mild case.  The initial specialist who saw him said he would be OK.  The USC doctors disagreed.  But every doctor since then has cleared him to play.  Mild cases of SS are not uncommon at all in football players given the impacts they take week in and week out.

 

I like the kid because he relentlessly gets after the QB and has a "nose for the ball."  In basketball, the stat which translates best to the pro's is rebounding.  If a player is good at rebounding in college, chances are he will be good in the pro's.  In football, the same holds true for sacks.  Ignoring this led to Terrell Suggs and Elvis Dumerville, two guys who had 20+ sack seasons in college, slipping far past where they should have been drafted.

 

I can see the Brian Brennan comparison.  Smaller, slippery slot reciever with great hands and toughness going over the middle.  But I think you are stretching the white athlete - to - white athlete comparison a little think with Joe J. 

 

Both were possession receivers with 10-year careers and nearly identical numbers:

 

Brennan 132 rec, 4336 yds, 20 TDs

Jurevicius 133 rec, 4119 yds, 29 TDs

 

LaDanian Tomlinson and Jerome Bettis also had very similar career numbers, but that doesn't make them all that comparable.  Jurevicius was a very big target.  Almost like another tight end on the field.  He was a matchup problem because of his size and scored a bunch of touchdowns on slants towards the corner of the endzone.  Brennan was a dirtbag (I mean that in a good way) in that his jersey was always the dirtiest on the field at the end of the game.  He would make some fantastic diving catches and was very sneaky in getting deep.  I get that they both were reliable possession recievers, but I think the comparison ends there.  Cooper can never hope to do what allowed Jurevicius to stay in the league as long as he did.  Since his daughter is in my son's class, maybe I'll ask Joe his opinion ;)

^Apparently, he has a very mild case.  The initial specialist who saw him said he would be OK.  The USC doctors disagreed.  But every doctor since then has cleared him to play.  Mild cases of SS are not uncommon at all in football players given the impacts they take week in and week out.

 

I like the kid because he relentlessly gets after the QB and has a "nose for the ball."  In basketball, the stat which translates best to the pro's is rebounding.  If a player is good at rebounding in college, chances are he will be good in the pro's.  In football, the same holds true for sacks.  Ignoring this led to Terrell Suggs and Elvis Dumerville, two guys who had 20+ sack seasons in college, slipping far past where they should have been drafted.

 

Kiper projects JJ getting second overall. If Kiper is right and unless the Browns have a win-loss record in the second half of the season like they did in the first half or they make a big trade, JJ probably isn't going to be on the board when the Browns' turn comes up.

 

LaDanian Tomlinson and Jerome Bettis also had very similar career numbers, but that doesn't make them all that comparable.  Jurevicius was a very big target.  Almost like another tight end on the field.  He was a matchup problem because of his size and scored a bunch of touchdowns on slants towards the corner of the endzone.  Brennan was a dirtbag (I mean that in a good way) in that his jersey was always the dirtiest on the field at the end of the game.  He would make some fantastic diving catches and was very sneaky in getting deep.  I get that they both were reliable possession recievers, but I think the comparison ends there.  Cooper can never hope to do what allowed Jurevicius to stay in the league as long as he did.  Since his daughter is in my son's class, maybe I'll ask Joe his opinion ;)

 

Yes, Joe is a local. The possession receiver aspect and both players' reliabilityis what I refer to, not the player's size. I'm hopeful Coop' is as reliable as either guy. Every good quarterback needs their Mr. Reliable.

Two major bits of breaking news........

 

Sources: Scott Fujita career in doubt

Updated: October 15, 2012, 7:32 PM ET

By Chris Mortensen | ESPN

 

Cleveland Browns linebacker Scott Fujita, one of the four players who has battled NFL commissioner Roger Goodell over alleged bounty violations, is now confronted with a neck injury that the team and doctors believe could possibly end his 11-year career, according to league sources.

 

Fujita was inactive Sunday, having landed on the injury report Thursday with a neck and shoulder injury after missing two practices.

 

READ MORE AT:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8509743/scott-fujita-cleveland-browns-faces-career-threatening-neck-injury-according-sources

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Holmgren To Skip Owners Meetings In Chicago

By DARYL RUITER, 92.3 The Fan Browns Beat Reporter

October 15, 2012 7:40 PM

 

BEREA (92.3 The Fan) - Cleveland Browns president Mike Holmgren will not be present at the owners meetings in Chicago Tuesday.

 

Holmgren was originally scheduled to make the trip and represent the team one final time on behalf of Randy Lerner.

 

NFL Owners are scheduled to vote on and approve the sale of the Browns from Lerner to Jimmy Haslam III on Tuesday. The deal is worth an estimated $1 billion.

 

READ MORE AT:

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2012/10/15/holmgren-to-skip-owners-meetings-in-chicago/

Good bye, Holmgren.

Yep. Not sure how I feel about Banner yet. From what I've heard from media reports, he's apparently a good business man but a vindictive a-hole when it comes to personnel and players. But it's a new day, and hopefully the end of The Cleveland Sadness Factory.

 

Jimmy Haslam takes over as Browns owner; president Mike Holmgren out

1:53PM EDT October 16. 2012 -

 

CHICAGO (AP) — The sale of the Cleveland Browns to Jimmy Haslam III was unanimously approved by NFL owners Tuesday, and team President Mike Holmgren will be leaving the Browns at the end of the season.

 

A person familiar with the sale told The Associated Press that Joe Banner has been hired as CEO of the Browns to replace Holmgren. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because Banner's hiring and Holmgren's departure have not been announced.

 

Haslam bought the team from Randy Lerner for $1 billion. Haslam, who built his fortune with Pilot Flying J truck stops, has been a minority owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, but divested that stock to buy the Browns.

 

READ MORE AT:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/browns/2012/10/16/cleveland-browns-jimmy-haslam-owner-approved-mike-holmgren-out/1636785/

Trying to give Weeden a little bit of national limelight....

 

First Rookie QB Battle Arrives; Andrew Luck & Brandon Weeden May Rewrite History 

By Ken Prendergast (Contributor) on October 15, 2012

 

Sunday marks the first time that two of the five representatives from the much-heralded 2012 rookie quarterback class will go head-to-head. Brandon Weeden's Cleveland Browns will travel to face Andrew Luck's Indianapolis Colts in a reunion of 2012 Fiesta Bowl quarterbacks.

 

Weeden and his teammates hope for the same outcome for him, as Weeden's Oklahoma State Cowboys defeated Luck's Stanford Cardinals. But the Browns aren't the 'Pokes and the Colts aren't the 'Cards.

 

Yet, each QB is trying to reverse the fortunes of their respective teams. And, in doing so, both are on track to possibly write themselves into the NFL record books, starting this season. That's saying quite a lot considering the rookie company they're in, with five talented rookie QBs starting under center in 2012.

 

READ MORE AT:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1372343-first-rookie-qb-battle-arrives-andrew-luck-brandon-weeden-may-rewite-history

no surprises here - holmgren was 10-28 and obvs would be first to go. haslam will prob wait until the end of the season to ditch coach cleats shurmur. i dk what i think about a billionaire owner handing off the team to a carpet-bagger gas station owner. time will tell. a shakeup at the top is a good start tho.

 

 

Ditto for GM Tom Heckert