Maybe he'll autograph a Surface tablet next.  :)

 

Seriously, one thing I really liked seeing was him getting rid of the ball very quickly and accurately.  It almost doesn't matter who you are playing against when you can do that.

Johnny looked good yesterday.  He's probably always going to make a few boneheaded throws like that INT.  But that's who he is.  He is more a gunslinger, like Farve, than a technician, like Brady.  But I was impressed with his decision making overall.  He only scrambled when it was necessary and was generally smart, with that one exception, in throwing the ball away if no one was open.  He kept the defense on their toes, which really helped the running game.

 

I also liked what I saw out of Nate Orchard.  I think Kruger is overpaid and will get cut in the offseason.  Orchard should get a crack at filling that role of strong side pass rusher.

thats a shame about hartline breaking his collar bone. i didnt see that, when did it happen? late i take? i didnt see the end of the game. so i guess its more tyrelle pryor time. and yeah, manziel looked good. which kind of complicates things for the draft. or uncomplicates things depending on these last games.

I don't see a sure fire franchise QB in this draft. There certainly is no clear cut #1

Johnny played impressively, but I don't see that he can play his way into franchise quarterback status this season.  There are too many personal issues looming with him.  We need to get another potential franchise quarterback, and see who plays better for a season, shows more upside for future seasons, and most importantly if Manziel can keep himself together for a greater length of time.  We can't afford for our franchise QB to go the same route as our #1 receiver.

^I don't see him going the same route as Gordon.  As far as we know, Johnny is not in the NFL's substance abuse program.  Josh was already in that program before he ever put on a uniform due to the incidents in college.  That put him way behind the ball, causing him to be suspended for 20 games for (a) having trace amounts of THC in his system which wouldn't have even registered on IOC tests, and (2) for having a drink on a flight to Vegas.  Once you're in the program, it is very difficult to get out of it and much easier to get suspended.

 

I don't know if Johnny can be a franchise QB, but I am not convinced he can't be one.  His last two starts have been very encouraging in that measurement.  More importantly is the question of who you see as the QB we can hand the reigns to if not Johnny.  If there was an Andrew Luck or Jameis Winston in this draft, that would be nice, but there isn't.  Jared Goff and Paxton Lynch may turn out to be good pros, but I have some serious reservations about both.  The worst thing we can do, IMO, is trade Johnny for a 5th or 6th rounder only to see him go Drew Brees on us with another team.

i seriously doubt they would trade manziel for drafts picks unless he really effed up, which i guess he could? yipes. otherwise, he's the bird in the hand. i could see them rolling the dice and drafting somebody though. wouldnt it be cool if the browns took cardalle jones and he worked out. we'll see.

I want to be put on record now as a full blown Johnny believer.  I think the kid has the chops to be our franchise QB.  Also, I think fears about his off-field "issues" are overblown.  Consider this my public statement.

I want to be put on record now as a full blown Johnny believer.  I think the kid has the chops to be our franchise QB.  Also, I think fears about his off-field "issues" are overblown.  Consider this my public statement.

 

I don't think they are overblown.  I truly believe, and you could see it in their interactions yesterday, that Pettine genuinely loves and cares about the kid.  He doesn't want to have to be a parent and dish out the tough-love, but that's what he was given.  He wants Johnny to succeed, because if he does, he keeps his job and lifts himself to another level by showing that he undertstands what it takes to elevate and exploit talent. 

 

 

I don't think they are overblown.  I truly believe, and you could see it in their interactions yesterday, that Pettine genuinely loves and cares about the kid.  He doesn't want to have to be a parent and dish out the tough-love, but that's what he was given.  He wants Johnny to succeed, because if he does, he keeps his job and lifts himself to another level by showing that he undertstands what it takes to elevate and exploit talent.

 

Mmmm I didn't get that impression.  I saw adults playing football.....good football, for a change.

If you've been in rehab for substance abuse and you later consume an intoxicating substance, you lie about it to your employer and you get others to lie about it to your employer, well...

 

If I'm that employer and I see someone at least as potentially productive as that employee come along, then I move on.

 

The questions are: Is Jared Goff or Paxton Lynch as potentially as productive as Manziel? And what more will Johnny do in these final three games of the season and, more importantly, in his free time during the off-season??

The assumption has been Johnny was in rehab for alcohol. I'm not so sure about that

The assumption has been Johnny was in rehab for alcohol. I'm not so sure about that

 

As I've said, I suspect it was for pain medication he was using during the season.  Last year's meltdown started after he got hurt, and this year they shut him down early in preseason for arm pain.

 

Also to the point, there haven't been "incidents" when he has drank this year, and quite specifically he started and stopped drinking, while rolling with someone who decidedly did not, the day of the Avon pullover.  Alcoholics normally can't do that.

I make no assumptions other than it was for abuse of an intoxicating, addictive substance. If you abuse one substance, there's a pretty good chance you've abused or are susceptible to abusing others. You violate the program when you use again, no matter how small the amount consumed. If you're emotionally, intellectually and spiritually invested in the program, then using again feels like cheating on a loved one -- except the loved one is you. It's no coincidence that sneaking a drink or a puff or a snort is called cheating, too. And when you lie about using any of them, no matter how small the amount consumed, you've destroyed any modicum of trust you've managed to rebuild with those around you. Most addicts or persons who become addicts are very good liars and deceivers to hide their lifestyle and level of usage. I don't know what Johnny is, but I do know Johnny is a very convincing liar.

^^Or coke.  I know a few people who had major problems with one substance but the same addictive and self-destructive tendencies didn't apply to their use of all substances.  One guy I was close with in college had a major drinking problem and went to rehab.  He never drank again, but still smoked weed and he did fine with that.  Another guy I knew had it bad with coke and had to cut that out, but drinking was never a problem.  Neither of them went into a continuing program or followed through with counseling.  I'm sure that doesn't work for a lot of addicts.  Probably depends on a lot of individual contingencies.  My brother, for his part, can't touch anything because it has a domino effect for him and down the spiral he goes.  Of course, he has it so bad, there is absolutely no way he'd make it through an NFL season..... not even close.

 

Many pro athletes have had well-documented trouble with addiction - Mickey Mantle, Lawrence Taylor, Brett Favre and probably Joe Namath - to name a few.  I think Johnny will always be a bit wild.  If you want a boy scout as your starting QB, he ain't it.

I'd gladly take the Brett Favre model! He was still a little crazy after rehab, but he kept his crazy within the lines of the gridiron.

^^Or coke.  I know a few people who had major problems with one substance but the same addictive and self-destructive tendencies didn't apply to their use of all substances.  One guy I was close with in college had a major drinking problem and went to rehab.  He never drank again, but still smoked weed and he did fine with that.  Another guy I knew had it bad with coke and had to cut that out, but drinking was never a problem.  Neither of them went into a continuing program or followed through with counseling.  I'm sure that doesn't work for a lot of addicts.  Probably depends on a lot of individual contingencies.  My brother, for his part, can't touch anything because it has a domino effect for him and down the spiral he goes.  Of course, he has it so bad, there is absolutely no way he'd make it through an NFL season..... not even close.

 

Many pro athletes have had well-documented trouble with addiction - Mickey Mantle, Lawrence Taylor, Brett Favre and probably Joe Namath - to name a few.  I think Johnny will always be a bit wild.  If you want a boy scout as your starting QB, he ain't it.

 

Exactly.  Someone I'm quite close to can't be anywhere near certain perscription meds and will overtake others to a point.  Others aren't a problem.  She can drink or smoke pot and it's completely under control.  She does smoke tobacco.

 

Indeed, we have quite a few patrons who have had problems with drugs, kicked those, but still drink controllably.  On the other hand, AA meetings used to be notorious for caffiene and nicotine consumption.

Many pro athletes have had well-documented trouble with addiction - Mickey Mantle, Lawrence Taylor, Brett Favre and probably Joe Namath - to name a few.  I think Johnny will always be a bit wild.  If you want a boy scout as your starting QB, he ain't it.

 

We don't need a boy scout, but we need someone who can show they can make it through a season without stupid incidents if they want to be a "franchise quarterback".  Note that wording, the value and success of the whole franchise rides on that man.  They aren't just a #1 receiver, or a stud linebacker.  That man better be solid.

I agree.  But he also needs to be given some room to breathe.  He is constantly under the microscope.  Maybe it is just the day and age we live in, but I laugh when I think of what would have shown up on instagram, twitter, etc. if social media was around when Broadway Joe, or Wilt the Stilt, or any number of revered sports superstars from the past were in their prime.  Johnny is going to party a bit.  He is going to showboat.  It is who he is.  It's probably part of what makes him the player he is.  When it affects the locker room or his play on the field, then it is fair game I suppose.  But, same as the position I took with Josh, if it is just an 'image' problem for the franchise, then maybe we are worrying a bit too much about image.  I'm tired of these continued efforts to bring in 'stand-up' guys while some of the more successful franchises take risks which pay off on players who might have some issues off the field.  Hell, the teams in our division are a perfect example of that.

I agree.  But he also needs to be given some room to breathe.  He is constantly under the microscope.  Maybe it is just the day and age we live in, but I laugh when I think of what would have shown up on instagram, twitter, etc. if social media was around when Broadway Joe, or Wilt the Stilt, or any number of revered sports superstars from the past were in their prime.  Johnny is going to party a bit.  He is going to showboat.  It is who he is.  It's probably part of what makes him the player he is.  When it affects the locker room or his play on the field, then it is fair game I suppose.  But, same as the position I took with Josh, if it is just an 'image' problem for the franchise, then maybe we are worrying a bit too much about image.  I'm tired of these continued efforts to bring in 'stand-up' guys while some of the more successful franchises take risks which pay off on players who might have some issues off the field.  Hell, the teams in our division are a perfect example of that.

 

Ken Stabler and Babe Ruth made Namath look like Tim Tebow lol.  Chamberlain did the bulk of his bad behavior behind closed doors.

 

It very much is a part of his competitive nature.

 

It's part social media, and part the quickness to judge and hypersensitivity of the modern era.  It's hard to say how related the two are.

 

Maybe the solution is an entourage like LeBron's.  >:)

^Not sure if you were being sarcastic, but we can only pray that Johnny emulates LeBron off the field.  I doubt it has much to do with his entourage, but LeBron has never been in any real trouble, is a dedicated husband and father, and his charitable work is outstanding.  The only negative I can recall (other than the infamous Decision) is that, at one time, he had a bad reputation as a tipper.  But, I suspect THAT was indeed due to his entourage.

One reason I've always placed the blame more on player evaluation over player development is that our draft picks rarely go somewhere else and give that team more or even the same level of production. But it does happen on ocassion and this is one of those years it is really showing

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/17153/free-agents-who-left-browns-are-a-big-help-to-other-teams

Jabal Sheard was the biggest head scratcher for me.

Jabal Sheard was the biggest head scratcher for me.

 

The defense was "loaded with talent" ha ha...sure it was.

^Not sure if you were being sarcastic, but we can only pray that Johnny emulates LeBron off the field.  I doubt it has much to do with his entourage, but LeBron has never been in any real trouble, is a dedicated husband and father, and his charitable work is outstanding.  The only negative I can recall (other than the infamous Decision) is that, at one time, he had a bad reputation as a tipper.  But, I suspect THAT was indeed due to his entourage.

 

Remember right before Braylon Edwards got traded?  There was an incident between him and some of LeBron's entourage.

 

One of the reasons for those is to keep the celeb out of trouble.

True, but that particular incident wasn't caused by any beef between LeBron and Braylon

True, but that particular incident wasn't caused by any beef between LeBron and Braylon

Do we know that?  Part of the entourage's job is to absorb/handle any beefs. 

 

At this point in time, LeBron was much less mature than he is now, and had people around him who encouraged that.  Plus, the media covered for him.

 

Braylon was almost immediately traded.

My mind doesn't allow me to make conclusion off such loose inferences and innuendoes.

 

What we know is that there was an argument at 2:30am between Edwards and a club promoter, who happened to be a friend of James, but not in his close inner ring circle.  James was not there.  Braylon punched the guy and that was that.  If Lebron wanted someone in his entourage "handle any beefs" (as you put it) with Braylon, they probably would've picked someone who weighed more than 130 pounds.  Besides, LeBron had never even met Braylon before this happened.

 

I'm sorry if it doesn't fit the stereotype, but LeBron just isn't that guy.  He has been under such a microscope, that if he was, we would know by now.

My mind doesn't allow me to make conclusion off such loose inferences and innuendoes.

 

What we know is that there was an argument at 2:30am between Edwards and a club promoter, who happened to be a friend of James, but not in his close inner ring circle.  James was not there.  Braylon punched the guy and that was that.  If Lebron wanted someone in his entourage "handle any beefs" (as you put it) with Braylon, they probably would've picked someone who weighed more than 130 pounds.  Besides, LeBron had never even met Braylon before this happened.

 

I'm sorry if it doesn't fit the stereotype, but LeBron just isn't that guy.  He has been under such a microscope, that if he was, we would know by now.

There was a time when he was getting covered for by friends and the local media, to some degree.  Not too badly, but somewhat.  A couple years on either side of the "Decision" especially.

 

He snapped out of it for various reasons.  Part was the increasing influence of his wife and decreasing influence of his mom.  Plus simple maturation.

 

This is why he's back here, instead of in Miami or NYC.

Well here we go again. I'm guessing the lack of commentary is due to the fact everybody knew this was coming, except for perhaps the odd restructuring of the Browns Organization.

At this point, keeping a coach past this length of time would be the new and newsworthy development.

I've decided to not pay attention this time around.  Don't really care who they bring in at this point.  16 years is long enough.

Need some established people at these positions if Haslam is serious about building a winning program.  Chudzinski and Pettine had never been head coaches before and Farmer had never been a GM before.  Was hired as Asst GM, and then promoted to GM after Lombardi & Joe Banner were canned.  I could see taking a chance on a coach, but not on a GM.  Need at least one of these people to be established "been there, done that"

WKNR was going nuts last night because Haslam named Sashi Brown as head of football operations.  What's the big wup?  Brown is not GM personnel man, but is in charge of handling the biz side of things.  They guy was a partner at Wilmer Cutler, one of the DC power law firms, general counsel for the Jacksonville Jags before Haslam scooped him up just over a year ago.  And he's still not 40; obviously Brown is light years from being a dumb guy...  Brown is a cap/numbers guy.  Carmen Policy was not a football guy either and was also a top lawyer.  Dwight Clark was the player personnel guy... Policy was quite successful in with the Super Bowl winning 49ers before submitting himself to the curse of the Browns.  KNR hosts grossly overreacted. 

Why are they hiring the coach before the GM?  It would be nice if we followed conventional wisdom once in a while.

Clvlndr, Mike&Mike on ESPN and 92.3 The Fan this morning were also ragging on the Browns for a lawyer being the one who's selecting the next coach. He should be selecting a GM who has a certain philosophy and selects a coach who concurs with that philosophy. And that GM, with the collaborative input of the coach, selects players to implement that philosophy. There is also a bizarre organizational chart in terms of who reports to who. It's a recipe for failure...

 

To help me write this posting, I found this which is worth reading....

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/1/4/10706930/illustrating-the-browns-new-organizational-structure

 

The way the Browns are moving forward gives me zero confidence in the future of this team. It's so sad to see that valuable piece of real estate on the lakefront wasted for this clusterf*ck of a team. If another billionaire walked into town and said "I'll buy the Browns and move them to LA if you let me build high-rise apartment towers where First Energy Stadium now stands" I would take that offer in an instant. And I've been a Browns fan for nearly 40 years and joined the active fight to keep the Browns in Cleveland in 1995. I am now regretting doing that.

All I know is.....

 

 

Good luck Hoyer. You deserve that playoff spot

go bengals!

All I know is.....

 

 

Good luck Hoyer. You deserve that playoff spot

 

Not just Hoyer. They're smiling at you and thanking you, Browns...

http://www.scout.com/nfl/texans/story/1629222-hoyer-and-weeden-all-smiles-in-houston

^ eh, that team is one and done.

Clvlndr, Mike&Mike on ESPN and 92.3 The Fan this morning were also ragging on the Browns for a lawyer being the one who's selecting the next coach. He should be selecting a GM who has a certain philosophy and selects a coach who concurs with that philosophy. And that GM, with the collaborative input of the coach, selects players to implement that philosophy. There is also a bizarre organizational chart in terms of who reports to who. It's a recipe for failure...

 

To help me write this posting, I found this which is worth reading....

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/1/4/10706930/illustrating-the-browns-new-organizational-structure

 

The way the Browns are moving forward gives me zero confidence in the future of this team. It's so sad to see that valuable piece of real estate on the lakefront wasted for this clusterf*ck of a team. If another billionaire walked into town and said "I'll buy the Browns and move them to LA if you let me build high-rise apartment towers where First Energy Stadium now stands" I would take that offer in an instant. And I've been a Browns fan for nearly 40 years and joined the active fight to keep the Browns in Cleveland in 1995. I am now regretting doing that.

 

Interesting discussion this morning with coworkers on basically this same topic - how long will fans support a failing franchise?  how long till the stands are more than half empty?  Then what?  Haslam moves them to another city?  Is this just the beginning of the end?

I really want to see Haslem throw money at this GM/coach problem.  Not just any money, but the kind to pull a football guru away from their current gig (everyone has a price).  Think Bill Cowher and Ozzie Newsome. 

 

If he hires Doug Marrone, I am turning in my Browns jersey for good....

I wanted Gase last time around. I hope he is seriously interested this time

 

Why are they hiring the coach before the GM?  It would be nice if we followed conventional wisdom once in a while.

 

Probably because they don't want to close the door on any coaching candidates who will want final say on the roster

Haslem was quick to point out that Sashi Brown had "no ego." On the one hand, that's an attribute. But there's also the possibility this guy is merely a yes man for Haslem.

 

Anyhow, anybody who sticks with this team through all of this is clearly suffering from battered wife/husband syndrome.

Haslem was quick to point out that Sashi Brown had "no ego." On the one hand, that's an attribute. But there's also the possibility this guy is merely a yes man for Haslem.

 

Anyhow, anybody who sticks with this team through all of this is clearly suffering from battered wife/husband syndrome.

 

From what I know of him, he would not be a yes man for Haslam.  He really is a smart guy and I think it would likely be the other way around. 

People are saying that Sashi is the opposite of a Yes man...that he will actually be able to tell Haslem NO...whereas Farmer did not.  Example: Jimmy- "draft Manziel now", Farmer- "OK".  What I took from the presser last night is Haslem hired people who let him down. The inmates ran the asylum and he is not around enough to take care of business.  I feel he trusts nobody except this Sashi guy...and Jim Donovan states that Sashi is the type of guy that wont accept the shenanigans that Farmer did and Haslem didn't know about.  So, I know NOTHING about Sashi, but at the surface it sounds like he may be a guy of integrity...if so, im ok with him running the ship as long as he isn't evaluating talent...which he will not be.  ALso, just because he HAS final say of the 53 man roster, doesn't mean he will exercise it.  If they have a good GM that he trusts and makes good decisions, he will probably just let the GM do the job.  But if the GM wants to make a stupid move COUGH COUGH, sign DWAYNE BOWE for 9 mill, Sashi would be the guy to say...ummmm No.

 

Also, regarding Manziel, did anyone hear Grossi's question last night about Manziel being sent home inebriated last week?  Nobody knew what that was about. Im hearing (allegedly), that was TRUE.  He was sent home and the concussion was a cover up. 

Clvlndr, Mike&Mike on ESPN and 92.3 The Fan this morning were also ragging on the Browns for a lawyer being the one who's selecting the next coach. He should be selecting a GM who has a certain philosophy and selects a coach who concurs with that philosophy. And that GM, with the collaborative input of the coach, selects players to implement that philosophy. There is also a bizarre organizational chart in terms of who reports to who. It's a recipe for failure...

 

To help me write this posting, I found this which is worth reading....

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/1/4/10706930/illustrating-the-browns-new-organizational-structure

 

The way the Browns are moving forward gives me zero confidence in the future of this team. It's so sad to see that valuable piece of real estate on the lakefront wasted for this clusterf*ck of a team. If another billionaire walked into town and said "I'll buy the Browns and move them to LA if you let me build high-rise apartment towers where First Energy Stadium now stands" I would take that offer in an instant. And I've been a Browns fan for nearly 40 years and joined the active fight to keep the Browns in Cleveland in 1995. I am now regretting doing that.

 

Interesting discussion this morning with coworkers on basically this same topic - how long will fans support a failing franchise?  how long till the stands are more than half empty?  Then what?  Haslam moves them to another city?  Is this just the beginning of the end?

 

I don't believe Haslem can move to another city.  Lerner built that into contract.  And we keep asking "how long", but its been 20 years, the people in NE Ohio will continue to go.

People are saying that Sashi is the opposite of a Yes man...that he will actually be able to tell Haslem NO...whereas Farmer did not.  Example: Jimmy- "draft Manziel now", Farmer- "OK".  What I took from the presser last night is Haslem hired people who let him down. The inmates ran the asylum and he is not around enough to take care of business.  I feel he trusts nobody except this Sashi guy...and Jim Donovan states that Sashi is the type of guy that wont accept the shenanigans that Farmer did and Haslem didn't know about.  So, I know NOTHING about Sashi, but at the surface it sounds like he may be a guy of integrity...if so, im ok with him running the ship as long as he isn't evaluating talent...which he will not be.  ALso, just because he HAS final say of the 53 man roster, doesn't mean he will exercise it.  If they have a good GM that he trusts and makes good decisions, he will probably just let the GM do the job.  But if the GM wants to make a stupid move COUGH COUGH, sign DWAYNE BOWE for 9 mill, Sashi would be the guy to say...ummmm No.

 

Also, regarding Manziel, did anyone hear Grossi's question last night about Manziel being sent home inebriated last week?  Nobody knew what that was about. Im hearing (allegedly), that was TRUE.  He was sent home and the concussion was a cover up. 

 

If I'm not mistaken the concussion protocol is administered by independent doctors who work for the league.

People are saying that Sashi is the opposite of a Yes man...that he will actually be able to tell Haslem NO...whereas Farmer did not.  Example: Jimmy- "draft Manziel now", Farmer- "OK".  What I took from the presser last night is Haslem hired people who let him down. The inmates ran the asylum and he is not around enough to take care of business.  I feel he trusts nobody except this Sashi guy...and Jim Donovan states that Sashi is the type of guy that wont accept the shenanigans that Farmer did and Haslem didn't know about.  So, I know NOTHING about Sashi, but at the surface it sounds like he may be a guy of integrity...if so, im ok with him running the ship as long as he isn't evaluating talent...which he will not be.  ALso, just because he HAS final say of the 53 man roster, doesn't mean he will exercise it.  If they have a good GM that he trusts and makes good decisions, he will probably just let the GM do the job.  But if the GM wants to make a stupid move COUGH COUGH, sign DWAYNE BOWE for 9 mill, Sashi would be the guy to say...ummmm No.

 

Also, regarding Manziel, did anyone hear Grossi's question last night about Manziel being sent home inebriated last week?  Nobody knew what that was about. Im hearing (allegedly), that was TRUE.  He was sent home and the concussion was a cover up. 

 

If I'm not mistaken the concussion protocol is administered by independent doctors who work for the league.

 

Right, but there is speculation there was not a concussion...that they used that as a cover up for the media after JOhnny did indeed show up to the facility last week inebriated.

People are saying that Sashi is the opposite of a Yes man...that he will actually be able to tell Haslem NO...whereas Farmer did not.  Example: Jimmy- "draft Manziel now", Farmer- "OK".  What I took from the presser last night is Haslem hired people who let him down. The inmates ran the asylum and he is not around enough to take care of business.  I feel he trusts nobody except this Sashi guy...and Jim Donovan states that Sashi is the type of guy that wont accept the shenanigans that Farmer did and Haslem didn't know about.  So, I know NOTHING about Sashi, but at the surface it sounds like he may be a guy of integrity...if so, im ok with him running the ship as long as he isn't evaluating talent...which he will not be.  ALso, just because he HAS final say of the 53 man roster, doesn't mean he will exercise it.  If they have a good GM that he trusts and makes good decisions, he will probably just let the GM do the job.  But if the GM wants to make a stupid move COUGH COUGH, sign DWAYNE BOWE for 9 mill, Sashi would be the guy to say...ummmm No.

 

Also, regarding Manziel, did anyone hear Grossi's question last night about Manziel being sent home inebriated last week?  Nobody knew what that was about. Im hearing (allegedly), that was TRUE.  He was sent home and the concussion was a cover up. 

 

If I'm not mistaken the concussion protocol is administered by independent doctors who work for the league.

 

Right, but there is speculation there was not a concussion...that they used that as a cover up for the media after JOhnny did indeed show up to the facility last week inebriated.

 

The league was in on the coverup?  That's what this would entail.