January 4, 20169 yr ^ eh, that team is one and done. I'll take one and done vs. 13 years without one. Hell, I'll take a .500 team which at least offers hope. I have none. The Browns are the Ted Stepien Cavs reincarnated, minus the racism. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 4, 20169 yr So, I know NOTHING about Sashi, but at the surface it sounds like he may be a guy of integrity...if so, im ok with him running the ship as long as he isn't evaluating talent...which he will not be. ALso, just because he HAS final say of the 53 man roster, doesn't mean he will exercise it. This is my problem. It doesn't seem like a sound policy to me. It's a recipe for less accountability and more friction.
January 4, 20169 yr People are saying that Sashi is the opposite of a Yes man...that he will actually be able to tell Haslem NO...whereas Farmer did not. Example: Jimmy- "draft Manziel now", Farmer- "OK". What I took from the presser last night is Haslem hired people who let him down. The inmates ran the asylum and he is not around enough to take care of business. I feel he trusts nobody except this Sashi guy...and Jim Donovan states that Sashi is the type of guy that wont accept the shenanigans that Farmer did and Haslem didn't know about. So, I know NOTHING about Sashi, but at the surface it sounds like he may be a guy of integrity...if so, im ok with him running the ship as long as he isn't evaluating talent...which he will not be. ALso, just because he HAS final say of the 53 man roster, doesn't mean he will exercise it. If they have a good GM that he trusts and makes good decisions, he will probably just let the GM do the job. But if the GM wants to make a stupid move COUGH COUGH, sign DWAYNE BOWE for 9 mill, Sashi would be the guy to say...ummmm No. Also, regarding Manziel, did anyone hear Grossi's question last night about Manziel being sent home inebriated last week? Nobody knew what that was about. Im hearing (allegedly), that was TRUE. He was sent home and the concussion was a cover up. If I'm not mistaken the concussion protocol is administered by independent doctors who work for the league. Right, but there is speculation there was not a concussion...that they used that as a cover up for the media after JOhnny did indeed show up to the facility last week inebriated. The league was in on the coverup? That's what this would entail. Oh. hmmm. unless they weren't involved at all? The browns just threw concussion out there to the public. I guess the league would have to go out of there way to say "he didn't go through our program"...
January 4, 20169 yr ^NFL is very strict on injury reporting. Recall Joe Haden's issue from earlier this year. That said, it could be a combination of him being in the concussion protocol and showing up at the facility for his treatment while under the influence.
January 4, 20169 yr Time to change the above poll to reflect next season and win expectations. Let me be the first to cast my vote of "0".
January 4, 20169 yr I've decided to not pay attention this time around. Don't really care who they bring in at this point. 16 years is long enough. I couldn't have said it better myself.
January 4, 20169 yr Clvlndr, Mike&Mike on ESPN and 92.3 The Fan this morning were also ragging on the Browns for a lawyer being the one who's selecting the next coach. He should be selecting a GM who has a certain philosophy and selects a coach who concurs with that philosophy. And that GM, with the collaborative input of the coach, selects players to implement that philosophy. There is also a bizarre organizational chart in terms of who reports to who. It's a recipe for failure... To help me write this posting, I found this which is worth reading.... http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/1/4/10706930/illustrating-the-browns-new-organizational-structure Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but this particular post (and other articles I've read) indicated Brown will have the "final say" over personnel decisions, including coach, GM, etc. (whereas Alec Scheiner will have no say over the coach or GM hiring). However, I don't interpret "final say" to mean Brown will be making these determinations without input from the football people. To that extent, even though the Browns (read: Haslam) don't explicitly say it, they very well may (and I think it's likely) they will employ the kind of "collaborative process" in hiring these football people as they expressly state they will for making draft picks.... Again, I could be wrong. btw: as for Mike & Mike, don't forget (and I'm sure you haven't forgotten) that Golic is a dyed-in-wool homer who is passionate about Cleveland sports, especially the Browns, even though he does a pretty good job of masking it on the show. That's part of the reason why I think Golic is kinda cool.
January 4, 20169 yr Tom Coughlin to Cleveland... maybe that would keep my interest a bit next year. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2603476-tom-coughlin-resigns-as-giants-hc-latest-comments-reaction?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
January 4, 20169 yr Meh, Coughlin is 69 years old. I don't know how many more years he has in him to maintain the greuling schedule of an NFL coach, much less a coach of the Browns.
January 4, 20169 yr Meh, Coughlin is 69 years old. I don't know how many more years he has in him to maintain the greuling schedule of an NFL coach, much less a coach of the Browns. Coughlin is not the exciting pick but he's got a long NFL career as a head coach, 2 rings and a LONG list of qualified coordinators & assistants who will come to Cleveland.
January 4, 20169 yr I agree, I just don't know if he's up for the challenge of a lifetime at this point in his career. I think he has the right temperament to whip this team into shape. We need a drill sergeant.
January 6, 20169 yr http://clevelandsports360.com/wordpress/did-the-cleveland-browns-place-manziel-in-the-nfl-concussion-protocol-to-cover-up-his-drunken-arrival-to-practice/ Was only a matter of time
January 6, 20169 yr What do you all think of the DePodesta hiring? I say why not. After years of a revolving door in Berea, you can't fault the Browns for trying something different. Everyone seems to have great things to say about DePodesta
January 6, 20169 yr ^ Yes, he is the guy from Moneyball. They changed his name for the movie because DePodesta wasn't into all the fame and attention. I still don't buy that Haslam is as dumb as everyone thinks he is. For as much firings as we've had, he has never had a chance to build from the ground up. It seems like he's talked to a lot of people and put a lot of thought into things. It's shaping up to 4 groups which report to the owner - 1. Alec Scheiner - Business 2. Sashi Brown - Personnel, roster, acquistions, GM 3. Paul DePodesta - Data. Does not make personnel decisions but instead provides info to be used in those decisions. 4. Coach I could see how you'd worry about infighting from this structure though.
January 7, 20169 yr LeBron James' marketing agency cuts ties with Johnny Manziel http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/01/lebron_james_lrmr_no_longer_wo.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 7, 20169 yr ^ Yes, he is the guy from Moneyball. They changed his name for the movie because DePodesta wasn't into all the fame and attention. I still don't buy that Haslam is as dumb as everyone thinks he is. For as much firings as we've had, he has never had a chance to build from the ground up. It seems like he's talked to a lot of people and put a lot of thought into things. FWIW, I saw Chuck Klosterman speak in 2014, and with regards to the time he spent with The Browns during the draft he asserted that The Browns were a horribly run organization and that they used little to zero of their own scouting to make draft picks. He said they basically watched ESPN like fans.
January 7, 20169 yr Even though he'd be crazy for leaving the gig in New England, Matt Patricia would fit in nicely with this (literally) the smartest guys in the room management team as HC. From what I heard He's apparently extremely intelligent and has a degree in aeronautical engineering.
January 7, 20169 yr Not a good week for Billy.... Browns' Manziel cited for having expired plates https://t.co/irV1gMImUZ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 7, 20169 yr ^ Yes, he is the guy from Moneyball. They changed his name for the movie because DePodesta wasn't into all the fame and attention. I still don't buy that Haslam is as dumb as everyone thinks he is. For as much firings as we've had, he has never had a chance to build from the ground up. It seems like he's talked to a lot of people and put a lot of thought into things. FWIW, I saw Chuck Klosterman speak in 2014, and with regards to the time he spent with The Browns during the draft he asserted that The Browns were a horribly run organization and that they used little to zero of their own scouting to make draft picks. He said they basically watched ESPN like fans. I believe you, I just also would think that Haslam is self aware enough to realize the problem and work to change it. Maybe I just want to have too much faith...
January 7, 20169 yr I don't believe it. If they would've just "watched ESPN like fans", they would have made better picks. Seriously, I would bet if you went back and took the ESPN consensus pick each year for each pick, we would've been better off..... especially if you made the pick as set by the big boards PRIOR TO the draft workouts and interviews. It seems we have for too long placed too much stock in measurables and not enough in actual game film. Just because a guy runs a 4.5 does not mean he plays at a 4.5. If a guy was an All-American in college and a top level recruit coming out of HS, that trumps how many reps he does on the bench press or how much he impresses you during an interview. I'm not saying ignore the measurables. We just need to spend more time on the tape.
January 11, 20169 yr Like I keep saying, the Browns are a waste of valuable lakefront property, winning team or not. San Diego is confident at letting the NFL go because they don't need the Chargers to be a big-league city. The NFL preys on insecure cities like Cleveland to pay for a big-league label rather than pay for infrastructure that gives it a big-league economy.... http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/dec/23/chargers-nfl-football/?fbshare=1927503 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 11, 20169 yr Like I keep saying, the Browns are a waste of valuable lakefront property, winning team or not. San Diego is confident at letting the NFL go because they don't need the Chargers to be a big-league city. The NFL preys on insecure cities like Cleveland to pay for a big-league label rather than pay for infrastructure that gives it a big-league economy.... http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/dec/23/chargers-nfl-football/?fbshare=1927503 Meh...San Diego is questionable as a "big league" city anyway. Without the US Navy payroll, it would just be another Anaheim, etc....
January 11, 20169 yr Like I keep saying, the Browns are a waste of valuable lakefront property, winning team or not. San Diego is confident at letting the NFL go because they don't need the Chargers to be a big-league city. The NFL preys on insecure cities like Cleveland to pay for a big-league label rather than pay for infrastructure that gives it a big-league economy.... http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/dec/23/chargers-nfl-football/?fbshare=1927503 Meh...San Diego is questionable as a "big league" city anyway. Without the US Navy payroll, it would just be another Anaheim, etc.... And without the auto industry, Detroit is just another Grand Rapids. San Diego's issue is proximity to LA.
January 11, 20169 yr Like I keep saying, the Browns are a waste of valuable lakefront property, winning team or not. San Diego is confident at letting the NFL go because they don't need the Chargers to be a big-league city. The NFL preys on insecure cities like Cleveland to pay for a big-league label rather than pay for infrastructure that gives it a big-league economy.... http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/dec/23/chargers-nfl-football/?fbshare=1927503 How did you get that San Diego is "confident" about losing the chargers from that article. The author is clearly trying to get people to see the positive of the team leaving, but makes it clear that they city and it's leadership want the team to stay.
January 12, 20169 yr San Diego's issue is proximity to LA. Correct. See above re: Anaheim. Anaheim and San Diego are so very different I don't even know where to start. Anyhow nobody here in SD wants the Chargers to leave. It is traumatic for fans here, believe me. But it does seem very different from when the Browns left Cleveland. Charger fans are not calling sports radio 24/7 or hanging the owner in effigy or calling NFL headquarters en masse like Browns fans did. Instead, the fans feel totally powerless over how this entire situation; many have already moved on, figuring out other things to do on Sundays. My brother has been a season ticket holder for 30 years. All he's known is tailgating all day during every Sunday home game. Well, I've asked him and he's just going to get to spend more Sundays with his grandkids at their own youth sporting events. He's sad, certainly. But he's not devastated. I hate the NFL for what it has allowed happen to the good fans of Cleveland and San Diego. I really do. The New Browns have been a bizarre, relentless and traumatic joke perpetrated by the League. I can't even watch the Browns without getting sick. And the LA Chargers? Dead to me. I think my Sundays are going to be better spent elsewhere.
January 12, 20169 yr How did you get that San Diego is "confident" about losing the chargers from that article. The author is clearly trying to get people to see the positive of the team leaving, but makes it clear that they city and it's leadership want the team to stay. Sometimes I think we speak different languages. That’s not what I said. I said San Diego is confident about their future without the Chargers being a part of it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 12, 20169 yr Fine, but that article says nothing of the sort. It's just one man's opinion that the they will be fine without the them, not a report on the city (or City) of San Diego's morale, which is according to that article trying to do what it can to keep the Chargers.
January 12, 20169 yr Yes, but he's right because I agree with him. ;) BTW, Browns' ratings were worst among young adults (no big surprise there)... Browns' local TV ratings drop significantly in 2015 http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20160111/BLOGS06/160119985/browns-local-tv-ratings-drop-significantly-in-2015 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 12, 20169 yr Yes, but he's right because I agree with him. ;) BTW, Browns' ratings were worst among young adults (no big surprise there)... Browns' local TV ratings drop significantly in 2015 http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20160111/BLOGS06/160119985/browns-local-tv-ratings-drop-significantly-in-2015 Who are most likely to watch either at a bar or online....
January 12, 20169 yr ^ Yeah, but we are no more likely to watch at a bar this year than last year. Illegal streams can come into play, but most likely not in the local market (which this article is discussing) where anyone with rabbit ears can pick up WOIO. My brother and I stream it in Columbus when CBS shows us the Bungles instead of the Browns, which is only a few games a year. It's definitely a real decrease and I'm part of it. Who could sit through that crap this year? Hoyer & Co were a blast to watch last year (the first half of the season anyways), this year was just torture.
January 13, 20169 yr Copied from our Facebook group: At Haslam’s press conference to announce Hue Jackson hired as head coach: Grossi: Who is the new head coach? Haslam: That’s correct, Hue is the new head coach. Grossi: That’s what I’m here to find out. Haslam: I said Hue is the new head coach. Grossi: Who is? Haslam: Yes. Grossi: You’re still the owner right? Haslam: Yes of course. Grossi: And you don’t your coach’s name? Haslam: Well, I should. Grossi: Well then, who’s the coach? Haslam: Yes. Grossi: I mean the guy’s name. Haslam: Hue Grossi: The guy you just hired. Haslam: Hue Grossi: The head coach. Haslam: Hue Grossi: The coach of the Cleveland Br... Haslam: Hue is the head coach of the Browns! Grossi: I'm asking YOU who is the head coach. Haslam: That's the man's name. Grossi: That's who's name? Haslam: Yes. Grossi: Well go ahead and tell me. Haslam: That's it. Grossi: That's who? Haslam: Yes. PAUSE Grossi: You got a head coach? Haslam: Certainly. Grossi: Who's the head coach? Haslam: That's right. PAUSE Grossi: When you signed the head coach, how did he sign his name? Haslam: Hue. Grossi: The guy. Haslam: Hue. Grossi: How does he sign... Haslam: That's how he signs it. Grossi: Who? Haslam: Yes. PAUSE Grossi: Look, I'm trying to find out what's the guy's name coaching the Browns. Haslam: No. Watt is a defensive end. Grossi: I'm not asking you who's a defensive end. Haslam: No. Hue’s the head coach. Grossi: One guy at a time! Haslam: Well, don't change the positions around. Grossi: I'm not changing anybody! Haslam: Take it easy, Tony. Grossi: I'm only asking you, who's the guy coaching the Browns? Haslam: That's right. Grossi: Ok. Haslam: All right. PAUSE Grossi: Well then tell me. What's the guy's name coaching the Browns? Haslam: No. Watt is a defensive end. Grossi: I'm not asking you who's a defensive end. Haslam: No. Hue is the head coach. PAUSE Grossi: Who? Haslam: Hue Grossi: Who? Haslam: Hue. Grossi: So who is a head coach and what is a defensive end? Haslam: That’s the first thing you’ve said right today. Grossi: I don’t even know what I’m talking about! Haslam: Just print it that way. Grossi: So if there’s who and what, how about where? Haslam: Say that again? Grossi: Where. Who, what, and where! Haslam: Oh, Ware. He’s a linebacker.
January 13, 20169 yr Hue will probably trade for AJ McCarron, have a poor season, get fired, and come back the the Bengals.
January 14, 20169 yr Hue will probably trade for AJ McCarron, have a poor season, get fired, and come back the the Bengals.
January 14, 20169 yr I like Hue a lot. Seems like a highly competent man and he has a great demeanor. It's gonna be a shame when he's railroaded out of town in 2 years as the dumpster fire burns ever hotter.
January 14, 20169 yr Most coaches can run a talented team of players. But even the best coaches can't win without a talented roster. Browns better add some talent or Hue's term won't last any longer than any of the others that came before in the expansion era. If that's the case, Hue should be the last coach of the Cleveland Browns. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 14, 20169 yr It's gonna be OK. This same roster, more or less, led the division thru half of the 2014 season. Then this past year we had a ton of concussions, led the league in that stat. Our secondary in particular was decimated. Plus, our best offensive player sat out the year. And there were indications that some players gave up on Pettine, and his staff and his schemes, a while ago. I like to believe that what we just saw was not representative of where we're going. Hue Jackson is the best head coaching hire we've had in a long time.
January 14, 20169 yr I'm happy with Hue, for the first time since the Browns have returned. What is anyone hearing on Josh Gordon? I know he should have been a free agent, but due to the suspension he owes the Browns some games. I hope he's been trying to take care of himself.
January 15, 20169 yr I'm happy with Hue, for the first time since the Browns have returned. What is anyone hearing on Josh Gordon? I know he should have been a free agent, but due to the suspension he owes the Browns some games. I hope he's been trying to take care of himself. Hearing that he's been working very hard and staying out of trouble. Keep in mind that his recent "incidents" weren't all that severe. Second-hand levels of pot, and one drink on an airplane.
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