Hue Jackson still spouting off "Not everyone can do this job."

 

Uhhh Hue, literally anyone can coach an NFL team to 0-16.

I feel for the guy. The parade/protest is lame, pathetic, and all this anti-Jackson criticism is ridiculous. The Browns have been a historically terrible team for all but two or three years since their return, and the difference between going 0-16 and 3-13 is marginal. They were shit before him, and they'll be shit when he gets tossed; the issue is the culture as a whole, not the individual.

 

Just a lot of misplaced anger and outrage. Might as well play the Cleveland tourism videos on the stadium big screen during the event.

The culture of the team is bad, but so is the organizational structure. Having your coach report to the owner and having your general manager reported the owner is a sure way to create dissension amongst the coaching and player personnel sides of the team. It's time for the coach to answer to the general manager and the general manager to answer to the owner.  You fix the organizational structure and the culture of the team will have a chance to improve.

 

Regarding Hue, guess you haven't watched Hue mismanage and destroy the confidence of his young QB, idle the strongest part of his offense (the RBs which have the most yards per attempt than the TEs and even the WRs!), make panic moves in the fourth quarter, and publicly question his team's talent level (unconscionable!).  Do you realize how hard it is to have a winless team in the NFL? Jackson has managed to do that with a team whose talent level is easily the equivalent of the New York Jets or Chicago Bears. Yes the Browns need more talent but when you have decent running backs, a good offensive line, and a defense that played pretty well this year even with injuries, there's no excuse why the Browns shouldn't have at least eked out 2 to 4 wins.

 

And it's time for the fans to show they aren't impotent by expressing their displeasure with this team. Sure they can do it by leaving seats empty at the stadium, but if you feel embarrassed by the parade, I'm curious as to why. I think it's funny. How many of us would really care of the Browns again left Cleveland at this point? I for one would be grateful to have my lakefront back again.

 

I'm going to cheer for Buffalo.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/hue_jackson_wont_admit_it_but.html

 

The way Todd Bowles handled this situation is the perfect blueprint for how other coaches should deal with a bad hand from the dealer. Instead of crying about the lack of personnel during the rebuilding phase, TB coached his tail off & won games despite the odds. That's coaching

 

Instead, Cleveland has a coaching staff intent on arguing the merits on how talent-less the roster is. Jackson and new GM John Dorsey have said that before. After Sunday's loss, veteran corner Jason McCourty told reporters this roster was more talented than 0-16, and he was tired of people outside and inside the organization saying there weren't enough players on this team.

 

I'd fire him for stubborness and for being a bad teammate within the organization.

 

I'd fire him for messing with the head of a rookie quarterback and not designing gameplans that could put an overmatched DeShone Kizer in more comfortable situations.

 

I'd fire him for abandoning the run game and coaching in a state of desperation.

 

I'd fire him because he talked Monday about the stigma of 0-16 and the need to re-recruit fans and potential free agents, and if you believe that needs to happen it would be much easier to do with a new head coach.

 

I'd fire him because if Jackson was a hot candidate with a sharp offensive reputation two years ago, the Browns could get the next hotter, smarter offensive candidate now, dangling the chance to get your quarterback with that No. 1 pick and a roster with some pieces in place.

 

I'd fire him because he claims his responsibilty for this as the head coach, then time after time leaves bread crumbs with his comments that this isn't really on him. I'd fire him because Jackson too often presents himself as a victim of 1-31, and not a primary cause of it.

I feel for the guy. The parade/protest is lame, pathetic, and all this anti-Jackson criticism is ridiculous. The Browns have been a historically terrible team for all but two or three years since their return, and the difference between going 0-16 and 3-13 is marginal. They were shit before him, and they'll be shit when he gets tossed; the issue is the culture as a whole, not the individual.

 

Just a lot of misplaced anger and outrage. Might as well play the Cleveland tourism videos on the stadium big screen during the event.

 

The parade/protest is bush-league trashy bull**** that embarrasses our city like bottlegate. On Jackson I don't know. On one hand the Browns fired way too many coaches way too soon over the past two decades. I'm tired of all the regime changes. But on the other hand, Hue has managed to do worse than all of them. We should have kept Mangini, Pettine, and/or Chud.

 

And it's time for the fans to show they aren't impotent by expressing their displeasure with this team. Sure they can do it by leaving seats empty at the stadium, but if you feel embarrassed by the parade, I'm curious as to why. I think it's funny. How many of us would really care of the Browns again left Cleveland at this point? I for one would be grateful to have my lakefront back again.

 

I'm going to cheer for Buffalo.

 

I'm with you on Buffalo!

 

As for my disdain with the parade, well, I guess it just seems petty, needy, attention-seeking, etc. Kind of makes everyone there look like a sore loser desperately trying to give a middle finger to the organization by any means necessary, other than changing their television channels and not buying merchandise. It turns off Browns players, turns off prospective Browns players, and I think people will be laughing at those Cleveland fans, and Cleveland in general, rather than with them when ESPN, yahoo sports, etc, show clips. It would be a pathetic epilogue to a pathetic season. 

 

And the same idiots attending the parade will be the ones still buying 2018 tickets, watching the Browns on television, purchasing merchandise, tailgating in those parking lots, arguing on Cleveland.com and reddit and ESPN forums, treating the draft day like the f'ing Superbowl, etc. They never learn.

I would be more worried if the fanbase didn't do something public like a protest/anti-parade. I think people are taking this way too seriously. It's just sports.

 

I say this as a 40+ year fan of the Browns: the city needs to withdraw its public support for the team, demolish the stadium, sell the land for redevelopment and use the 8% parking tax to support public transit in Cleveland.

And the same idiots attending the parade will be the ones still buying 2018 tickets, watching the Browns on television, purchasing merchandise, tailgating in those parking lots, arguing on Cleveland.com and reddit and ESPN forums, treating the draft day like the f'ing Superbowl, etc. They never learn.

 

I respectfully disagree. Apathy is the true enemy of the Cleveland Browns.

If you go to the parade you're a loser. Period. EOD.

If you go to the parade you're a loser. Period. EOD.

 

I prefer the Cleveland.com spelling "looser," but anything that further shames HAslem and company is fine by me.

If you go to the parade you're a loser. Period. EOD.

 

I prefer the Cleveland.com spelling "looser," but anything that further shames HAslem and company is fine by me.

 

Marching around the stadium in below-freezing temperatures with RV's, accompanied by the likes of Mike Polk. All the while Jimmy Haslam hears about the parade from his multi-million dollar home in Bratenahl and goes "wow, I wish they weren't parading, this stinks."

 

Who is the shamed party in all of this again?

If you go to the parade you're a loser. Period. EOD.

 

I prefer the Cleveland.com spelling "looser," but anything that further shames HAslem and company is fine by me.

 

Marching around the stadium in below-freezing temperatures with RV's, accompanied by the likes of Mike Polk. All the while Jimmy Haslam hears about the parade from his multi-million dollar home in Bratenahl and goes "wow, I wish they weren't parading, this stinks."

 

Who is the shamed party in all of this again?

 

Still I have to go with Haslam. The gist of the problem is that the Browns are pathetic loosers and failures of historic proportion. A glittering tower of Failure in pro sports. And while it's a silly thing to march around the Factory of Sadness, you can't blame any of the Browns organizational failures on the parade contingent.

Woeful Cleveland Browns contribute to man's death

 

The Cleveland Browns have killed the careers of numerous coaches and quarterbacks.

 

And now, according to one local notice, they’re now responsible for playing a pivotal role in a Huron man’s recent death.

 

Paul Stark died on Wednesday and, in his obituary, list an interesting reason for what caused it.

 

“Stark passed away Dec. 27, 2017, of complications from a brief illness, exacerbated by the hopeless condition of the Cleveland Browns, at Stein Hospice, Sandusky.”

 

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/story/201712280026

 

Woeful Cleveland Browns contribute to man's death

 

The Cleveland Browns have killed the careers of numerous coaches and quarterbacks.

 

And now, according to one local notice, they’re now responsible for playing a pivotal role in a Huron man’s recent death.

 

Paul Stark died on Wednesday and, in his obituary, list an interesting reason for what caused it.

 

“Stark passed away Dec. 27, 2017, of complications from a brief illness, exacerbated by the hopeless condition of the Cleveland Browns, at Stein Hospice, Sandusky.”

 

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/story/201712280026

 

 

Somebody from this family better get Tim Misny on the phone right away.

I'm going to cheer for Buffalo.

 

Same here.  Bills fans love Browns fans as they share the same misery (since their 4 trips to the Super Bowl).  Also Browns fans used to make the trek up there during the years in between the old and new Browns, just to take in an NFL game. 

Plus it's nice to see other rust belt cities with similar struggles succeed in any venture. Jacksonville can take a powder next week.

I don't get all the vitriol aimed at the parade. Yeah, I'm not a fan of it either but who really cares?

 

To say that this parade will determine what free agents come to Cleveland is just not true. Going 4-41 is why free agents and draftees want no part of this organization. Likewise keeping a 1-31 "players" coach who blames everyone but himself will keep "real" players away like the plague. There are countless reasons players/coaches stay away from the Browns and none of them have to do with this parade.

 

BTW, I'm with Ken that the Dorsey/Jackson structure is flawed. If the Browns start 0-8 you really think Hue will make it? A new coach means a new OC and DC and a reset of coaching philosophy right in the middle of the season. Jimmy has to believe the Browns will be 2-6 or better to start next season to keep Hue. Just as a reminder, Detroit was 3-13 after going 0-16 in 2008. So don't expect 8-8 next season especially when the #1 pick from 2 drafts ago can't stay healthy or catch open passes. 

 

When Hue fails to get off to a good start Haslam will be setting this team up to fail for another two years, at least.

 

So the real idiots aren't in the parade, they're still in Berea, John Dorsey aside.

 

I guess the only hope of getting a normal reporting structure is through season ticket holders. If the Browns ticket base blows up and the team is 0-6 with 10K attending a home game the NFL may have to step in and give Jimmy some "guidance". Still think the odds of this are very low.

 

Makes me miss the Teddy Bear. At least he was actively trying to destroy the Cavs and not just some control freak fool like Haslam. Is Greg Schiano available?  :D

I like the parade.  I think it shows defiance, pluck, and humor in the face of futility with this pathetic team.  It's the ultimate in lemonade from lemons thinking.

 

Also, I don't care if they fire Hue Jackson or not till they fire Jimmy Haslam!  No organizational chart is going to improve the culture of this team as long as that flim-flam artist is the owner.

The parade is fine. It’s not celebrating losing.  The old get off my lawn crowd hates it, but this is what agitators do, they don’t just sit and complain and do nothing, they aim to embarrass and humiliate a group of underachieving professionals.  If you can’t laugh at it, your just taking it too seriously

The parade is fine. It’s not celebrating losing.  The old get off my lawn crowd hates it, but this is what agitators do, they don’t just sit and complain and do nothing, they aim to embarrass and humiliate a group of underachieving professionals.  If you can’t laugh at it, your just taking it too seriously

 

The get off my lawn crowd... Or the crowd that doesn't glorify losing...

 

There's nothing funny about 0-16, and now that the parade is being critiqued everyone is trying to play it up like this marathon of rejects is somehow a high brow satire of the Browns season...

The parade is fine. It’s not celebrating losing.  The old get off my lawn crowd hates it, but this is what agitators do, they don’t just sit and complain and do nothing, they aim to embarrass and humiliate a group of underachieving professionals.  If you can’t laugh at it, your just taking it too seriously

 

The get off my lawn crowd... Or the crowd that doesn't glorify losing...

 

There's nothing funny about 0-16, and now that the parade is being critiqued everyone is trying to play it up like this marathon of rejects is somehow a high brow satire of the Browns season...

 

You keep calling the parade participant names yet don't say much about the Browns themselves. I guess the "high road" is to accept 1-31 as normal.

The parade is fine. It’s not celebrating losing.  The old get off my lawn crowd hates it, but this is what agitators do, they don’t just sit and complain and do nothing, they aim to embarrass and humiliate a group of underachieving professionals.  If you can’t laugh at it, your just taking it too seriously

 

The get off my lawn crowd... Or the crowd that doesn't glorify losing...

 

There's nothing funny about 0-16, and now that the parade is being critiqued everyone is trying to play it up like this marathon of rejects is somehow a high brow satire of the Browns season...

 

You keep calling the parade participant names yet don't say much about the Browns themselves. I guess the "high road" is to accept 1-31 as normal.

 

No, it's to not renew tickets. Same as I did this year.

 

If you think a billionaire is going to be "humiliated" by a crowd of cargo shorts, tribal tats, RVs, and a grown man with a pumpkin on his head... I think you're mistaken. These guys are too egotistical for that...

 

What will matter is when he becomes the first NFL franchise in the last 16 years to DEPRECIATE in value due to lack of ticket sales, merchandise sales, and sponsorship revenue.

The parade is fine. It’s not celebrating losing.  The old get off my lawn crowd hates it, but this is what agitators do, they don’t just sit and complain and do nothing, they aim to embarrass and humiliate a group of underachieving professionals.  If you can’t laugh at it, your just taking it too seriously

 

The get off my lawn crowd... Or the crowd that doesn't glorify losing...

 

There's nothing funny about 0-16, and now that the parade is being critiqued everyone is trying to play it up like this marathon of rejects is somehow a high brow satire of the Browns season...

 

You keep calling the parade participant names yet don't say much about the Browns themselves. I guess the "high road" is to accept 1-31 as normal.

 

No, it's to not renew tickets. Same as I did this year.

 

If you think a billionaire is going to be "humiliated" by a crowd of cargo shorts, tribal tats, RVs, and a grown man with a pumpkin on his head... I think you're mistaken. These guys are too egotistical for that...

 

What will matter is when he becomes the first NFL franchise in the last 16 years to DEPRECIATE in value due to lack of ticket sales, merchandise sales, and sponsorship revenue.

 

Season ticket holders don't hold much power in the NFL due to revenue sharing. Ticket prices crashed this year and Haslam is still sticking with Hue. The only way the NFL will care is if there is a league wide drop in attendance again and Cleveland is leading that charge. Even then, I don't think they'll care much as long as there is a boatload of TV money.

The parade is fine. It’s not celebrating losing.  The old get off my lawn crowd hates it, but this is what agitators do, they don’t just sit and complain and do nothing, they aim to embarrass and humiliate a group of underachieving professionals.  If you can’t laugh at it, your just taking it too seriously

 

The get off my lawn crowd... Or the crowd that doesn't glorify losing...

 

There's nothing funny about 0-16, and now that the parade is being critiqued everyone is trying to play it up like this marathon of rejects is somehow a high brow satire of the Browns season...

 

You keep calling the parade participant names yet don't say much about the Browns themselves. I guess the "high road" is to accept 1-31 as normal.

 

No, it's to not renew tickets. Same as I did this year.

 

If you think a billionaire is going to be "humiliated" by a crowd of cargo shorts, tribal tats, RVs, and a grown man with a pumpkin on his head... I think you're mistaken. These guys are too egotistical for that...

 

The size of Haslam's huge ego is exactly why it'll get bruised. The amount of money and effort the guy pours into Tennessee college sports - where there is no financial incentive - is indicative that although he's particularly great at losing, he does hate seeing his teams continually fail.

 

 

The parade is fine. It’s not celebrating losing.  The old get off my lawn crowd hates it, but this is what agitators do, they don’t just sit and complain and do nothing, they aim to embarrass and humiliate a group of underachieving professionals.  If you can’t laugh at it, your just taking it too seriously

 

The get off my lawn crowd... Or the crowd that doesn't glorify losing...

 

There's nothing funny about 0-16, and now that the parade is being critiqued everyone is trying to play it up like this marathon of rejects is somehow a high brow satire of the Browns season...

 

High brow satire is exactly what it has been, last year and this year.  And it is hilarious, and im a browns fan.  I dont know, maybe i just dont care as much as you. And no, i wont be attending. 

The only way the NFL will care is if there is a league wide drop in attendance again and Cleveland is leading that charge. Even then, I don't think they'll care much as long as there is a boatload of TV money.

 

I believe you're correct. Look at the SD LA Chargers. The league is defensive and embarrassed over the near-complete fan disinterest  in Los Angeles. But in the end they'll do nothing because of the corporate dollars. They don't need fans to actually attend the games.

The parade is fine. It’s not celebrating losing.  The old get off my lawn crowd hates it, but this is what agitators do, they don’t just sit and complain and do nothing, they aim to embarrass and humiliate a group of underachieving professionals.  If you can’t laugh at it, your just taking it too seriously

 

The get off my lawn crowd... Or the crowd that doesn't glorify losing...

 

There's nothing funny about 0-16, and now that the parade is being critiqued everyone is trying to play it up like this marathon of rejects is somehow a high brow satire of the Browns season...

 

You keep calling the parade participant names yet don't say much about the Browns themselves. I guess the "high road" is to accept 1-31 as normal.

 

No, it's to not renew tickets. Same as I did this year.

 

If you think a billionaire is going to be "humiliated" by a crowd of cargo shorts, tribal tats, RVs, and a grown man with a pumpkin on his head... I think you're mistaken. These guys are too egotistical for that...

 

What will matter is when he becomes the first NFL franchise in the last 16 years to DEPRECIATE in value due to lack of ticket sales, merchandise sales, and sponsorship revenue.

 

When coaches and players have openly talked about the parade in pressers, trust me, they care.  If they didnt care, they wouldnt bring it up

The parade is fine. It’s not celebrating losing.  The old get off my lawn crowd hates it, but this is what agitators do, they don’t just sit and complain and do nothing, they aim to embarrass and humiliate a group of underachieving professionals.  If you can’t laugh at it, your just taking it too seriously

 

The get off my lawn crowd... Or the crowd that doesn't glorify losing...

 

There's nothing funny about 0-16, and now that the parade is being critiqued everyone is trying to play it up like this marathon of rejects is somehow a high brow satire of the Browns season...

 

You keep calling the parade participant names yet don't say much about the Browns themselves. I guess the "high road" is to accept 1-31 as normal.

 

No, it's to not renew tickets. Same as I did this year.

 

If you think a billionaire is going to be "humiliated" by a crowd of cargo shorts, tribal tats, RVs, and a grown man with a pumpkin on his head... I think you're mistaken. These guys are too egotistical for that...

 

What will matter is when he becomes the first NFL franchise in the last 16 years to DEPRECIATE in value due to lack of ticket sales, merchandise sales, and sponsorship revenue.

 

When coaches and players have openly talked about the parade in pressers, trust me, they care.  If they didnt care, they wouldnt bring it up

 

I'm sure Hue feels like he doesn't deserve any representation in the parade hence why he brought it up at the Steelers post-game presser. It was all Sashi's fault. How many times does he need tell the stupid fans to understand? Going to be hard to use that excuse with Dorsey.

Also, people have not be renewing seats the past 20 years. This is Cleveland, Ohio where people like the NFL maybe a little too much.  people will buy the seats.  Not renewing seats has done nothing.  The parade will make national news and these guys will have to answer questions about it for a while.  They dont want to do that, its humiliating.  Noticed they actually showed a little heart on Sunday vs the steelers when they realied they were staring 0-16 in the face?

Perhaps as a former college athlete I just think this will A) be a bigger shot at the players than it will ownership - and our team played hard this year. Undisciplined, but hard; and B) will be like shooting a beebee gun at a Panzer Tank in terms of affecting ownership decisions.

 

I played on an 0-10 team one year in college, and when alumni came around, it was us, not the school that were humiliated. Literally the only reason we turned it around were because of the people in the locker room, NOT because some wealthy alumni snubbed me at a function and that motivated me. Most of these players do not deserve this ridicule, and the owners won't care until it hits them in the pocket book. In all seriousness, if we want change, we'd be better served pressuring First Energy, Elk and Elk, KPMG, et al to cease contributing to the ad space around the stadium.

So the real idiots aren't in the parade, they're still in Berea, John Dorsey aside.

 

 

John Dorsey's talent procurement record in KC and GB is commendable. But I have to wonder about someone who takes a job where not only does the head coach not answer to him, can't bring in his own guy, and he had to accept the 1-31 coach already in place. Why would an intelligent person accept a job with that kind of doomed-to-infighting chain of command??

 

Haslem isn't going to get the message until he tries to hire a GM (next opportunity should come in about 1-3 years) and can't because all of the candidates demand to have a new organizational structure in which the GM runs the team, including hiring and firing the head coach. Problem is the Browns are still an NFL team and are at least a stepping stone for the career of some ambitious young executive, and... the Haslems are running the Browns like their own little family business when they need to leave it to the experts to run it. The Browns will never improve until the Haslems relinquish control over the day-to-day operations. Personally, I'd prefer they just sell the damn team.

So the real idiots aren't in the parade, they're still in Berea, John Dorsey aside.

 

 

John Dorsey's talent procurement record in KC and GB is commendable. But I have to wonder about someone who takes a job where not only does the head coach not answer to him, can't bring in his own guy, and he had to accept the 1-31 coach already in place. Haslem isn't going to get the message until he tries to hire a GM (next opportunity should come in about 1-3 years) and can't because all of the candidates demand to have a new organizational structure in which the GM runs the team, including hiring and firing the head coach. Problem is the Browns are still an NFL team and are at least a stepping stone for the career of some ambitious young executive, and... the Haslems are running the Browns like their own little family business when they need to leave it to the experts to run it. The Browns will never improve until the Haslems relinquish control over the day-to-day operations. Personally, I'd prefer they just sell the damn team.

 

My college roommate is a scout for an NFC North team. He told me that Dorsey actually INSISTED that they keep Hue.

i actually thought the browns were in a good place with Joe Banner...for whatever reason Ray Farmer got the nod over Banner...that was when things starting trajecting terribly.  I dont think Banner would ever preside over 1-31.

^^ is that team the Bears?  just curious.

 

My college roommate is a scout for an NFC North team. He told me that Dorsey actually INSISTED that they keep Hue.

 

Great. So now Hue is going to destroy the Browns' #1 overall pick, who is certain to be QB. If I'm a QB and the Browns pick me, I'm taking the Eli Manning approach. The only one who might be immune to Hue is Baker Mayfield. He'd probably tell Hue to "f*ck-off" on national TV and do his own thing.

Hue won't necessarily be bad if we can get a play-caller in. I don't think its feasible to ask a junior head coach to call a game and manage a team. That takes years of operational experience, which Hue doesn't have.

Perhaps as a former college athlete I just think this will A) be a bigger shot at the players than it will ownership - and our team played hard this year. Undisciplined, but hard; and B) will be like shooting a beebee gun at a Panzer Tank in terms of affecting ownership decisions.

 

I played on an 0-10 team one year in college, and when alumni came around, it was us, not the school that were humiliated. Literally the only reason we turned it around were because of the people in the locker room, NOT because some wealthy alumni snubbed me at a function and that motivated me. Most of these players do not deserve this ridicule, and the owners won't care until it hits them in the pocket book. In all seriousness, if we want change, we'd be better served pressuring First Energy, Elk and Elk, KPMG, et al to cease contributing to the ad space around the stadium.

 

These are pro athletes. If they can't handle feeling bad they should quit the sport.

 

Fans who stop renewing tickets and buying merch are just shooting other kinds of BB's.

i actually thought the browns were in a good place with Joe Banner...for whatever reason Ray Farmer got the nod over Banner...that was when things starting trajecting terribly. 

 

Oh yeah, that Ray Farmer who said he wouldn't draft Khalil Mack because he played in the MAC?

 

What a genius.

My issue with Hue is he now has to win and win early no matter how the draft goes.

 

If the Browns start 0-6 or worse the national media will obsess over how a 1-37..1-38..1-39 coach still has a job. There will be tremendous pressure on Jimmy to get rid of him. A mid-season blow up will reset this team for another 2 years, at least. Let's just hope the Browns win a few. The Lions won their first game in Week 3 after 0-16. Need the same from the Browns.

 

I'm not throwing Dorsey under the bus. He has had no imprint on this team. Hue has two awful years of coaching in Cleveland on his resume.

 

So the real idiots aren't in the parade, they're still in Berea, John Dorsey aside.

 

 

John Dorsey's talent procurement record in KC and GB is commendable. But I have to wonder about someone who takes a job where not only does the head coach not answer to him, can't bring in his own guy, and he had to accept the 1-31 coach already in place. Haslem isn't going to get the message until he tries to hire a GM (next opportunity should come in about 1-3 years) and can't because all of the candidates demand to have a new organizational structure in which the GM runs the team, including hiring and firing the head coach. Problem is the Browns are still an NFL team and are at least a stepping stone for the career of some ambitious young executive, and... the Haslems are running the Browns like their own little family business when they need to leave it to the experts to run it. The Browns will never improve until the Haslems relinquish control over the day-to-day operations. Personally, I'd prefer they just sell the damn team.

 

My college roommate is a scout for an NFC North team. He told me that Dorsey actually INSISTED that they keep Hue.

 

Even if this were true, it's quite clear Jimmy is calling the shots on Hue. He's doubled down on his support for him. I've haven't heard that kind of statement publicly from Dorsey. Maybe I missed it.

 

In other words even if Dorsey said Hue was the wrong fit, Hue would be staying.

You're right. And if Dorsey said something like that, I think Dorsey would be leaving soon after.

 

Dorsey's "real players", then "oops, I meant to say good players" comments probably didn't help team unity and morale. You can't be in the NFL unless you're at a nearly superhuman level of player in the first place. They're all phenoms, just at varying degrees, and the issues with the team have not been player quality. It's always been top down, structural.

Both Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold have declared for the draft.  Browns can get their QB (if they think either one is "their guy") at #1.

So if Rosen is drafted but refuses to play for the Browns, does his agent work with the team to trade him elsewhere before camp? How much is he part of that process?

I prefer the instant street cred that a proven free agent QB provides. Plus there's too many red flags with Rosen and Darnold.

You're right. And if Dorsey said something like that, I think Dorsey would be leaving soon after.

 

Dorsey's "real players", then "oops, I meant to say good players" comments probably didn't help team unity and morale. You can't be in the NFL unless you're at a nearly superhuman level of player in the first place. They're all phenoms, just at varying degrees, and the issues with the team have not been player quality. It's always been top down, structural.

 

You're right. He did put his foot in his mouth with the "real players" comment. It also tells me that Dorsey, Jimmy and Hue are on the same page about Sashi not being a credible talent evaluator.

 

They cannot allow Rosen to make the Browns look like fools. If Rosen really doesn't want to be in Cleveland and Dorsey does think he's the best talent out there then they should work with Rosen's agent and other teams to get a deal done behind the scenes before the draft so this event doesn't turn into another media circus and the Browns can get properly compensated.

 

I actually thought Jimmy or whoever handled the Dorsey situation well. Immediately after Sashi was fired the national sports media starting crowing about how Cleveland won't get a credible GM. That "story" lasted for about one hour as reports surfaced the deal was done with Dorsey. The Browns needs to handle Rosen in the same way.

^The big tell is that Dorsey kept Andrew Berry who, from my football circles, is a terrific, young, talent evaluater and who was able to get in Hue's ear about Njoku. AB may very well be the torch-bearer in Cleveland, but I do believe he'll be swept up by someone else before Dorsey's time is over. 

Rumors started to break last night that Belichick is feuding with Brady and Kraft and has already told them he's stepping down after the season.

 

If he's mad enough and in an "I'll show you...." mood.......

Rumors started to break last night that Belichick is feuding with Brady and Kraft and has already told them he's stepping down after the season.

 

If he's mad enough and in an "I'll show you...." mood.......

 

If he's mad enough and in an "Ill show you..." mood, he sure as heck ain't coming here.  They'd laugh their butts off.  He'd go to Indy for a much more stable organization to coach a QB he drafted, which would be a much bigger "f you" given the history between Indy and NE. 

Bill B. was the whipping boy for early 90s Browns fans in the way he handled a declining Kosar. I think most Browns fans have moved on from that era (a fair amount weren't alive back then) but something tells me old Bill B. never will.

 

If you want to be really depressed after witnessing 0-16 watch Cleveland '95: A Football Life on the NFL Network. It will make you sick on how many talented people were in the Browns organization when Bill was there.

Bill B. was the whipping boy for early 90s Browns fans in the way he handled a declining Kosar. I think most Browns fans have moved on from that era (a fair amount weren't alive back then) but something tells me old Bill B. never will.

 

Bill opted to play some dude named Todd Philcox instead of Kosar. Bill had the audacity to say that Philcox gave the Browns a better chance to win. The fans were right to be pissed off because that was a stupid thing to say.

 

Anyhow Bill and Bernie are on pretty good terms now. I don't imagine Bill would have any ill-will toward Cleveland fans. He knows he's made mistakes in Cleveland and he's publicly admitted that.

 

**fun fact, my college roommate got into a shoving match with Todd Philcox in the Flats. Todd took offense to the brand new Cowboys "Kosar" jersey he was wearing. Later on that night, Philcox apologized and it was all was good.

Bill B. was the whipping boy for early 90s Browns fans in the way he handled a declining Kosar. I think most Browns fans have moved on from that era (a fair amount weren't alive back then) but something tells me old Bill B. never will.

 

Bill opted to play some dude named Todd Philcox instead of Kosar. Bill had the audacity to say that Philcox gave the Browns a better chance to win. The fans were right to be pissed off because that was a stupid thing to say.

 

Anyhow Bill and Bernie are on pretty good terms now. I don't imagine Bill would have any ill-will toward Cleveland fans. He knows he's made mistakes in Cleveland and he's publicly admitted that.

 

**fun fact, my college roommate got into a shoving match with Todd Philcox in the Flats. Todd took offense to the brand new Cowboys "Kosar" jersey he was wearing. Later on that night, Philcox apologized and it was all was good.

 

He did that because Kosar was making plays in the dirt to tee off Bill B. and throw bombs to Michael Jackson (not the gloved one). Man, I miss those days. Bill B. made Vinny Inteceptaverde work maybe he could do his magic on Kiser?  ;D