Same old Browns. I'll be back when they replace their kicker, ST coach, and quarterback. But I won't be all the way back until they also replace Mr. 1-32-1.

 

What exactly was "get rid of him" wrong with Taylor today?  Some inconsistency and one pick, otherwise a good game.

 

The offense was inept, Taylor's decision making was awful, he missed wide open receivers, he threw an INT at crunch time (his one claim to fame is that he usually doesn't turn the ball over), he didn't step up in the pocket, he actually ran into a sack when the left side was wide open for a QB run or pass, etc.

 

I'm really not surprised though. Everyone knows that Taylor is at best an average quarterback. This is the guy who was actually benched for Nathan Peterman for crying out loud. It's only a matter of time before he is benched for the Heisman winner and #1 overall pick.

Same old Browns. I'll be back when they replace their kicker, ST coach, and quarterback. But I won't be all the way back until they also replace Mr. 1-32-1.

 

What exactly was "get rid of him" wrong with Taylor today?  Some inconsistency and one pick, otherwise a good game.

 

The offense was inept, Taylor's decision making was awful, he missed wide open receivers, he threw an INT at crunch time (his one claim to fame is that he usually doesn't turn the ball over), he didn't step up in the pocket, he actually ran into a sack when the left side was wide open for a QB run or pass, etc.

 

I'm really not surprised though. Everyone knows that Taylor is at best an average quarterback. This is the guy who was actually benched for Nathan Peterman for crying out loud. It's only a matter of time before he is benched for the Heisman winner and #1 overall pick.

 

How many times did Tyrod revert to that little dump off pass 3 years down field right over the line of scrimmage.  It must have been 6 times in the last two drives.  It seems like he was always looking for the relief valve.  Count me in on the "let's try Baker" bandwagon.

Ok just a bit funny...making the rounds on social media this evening. 

 

Same old Browns. I'll be back when they replace their kicker, ST coach, and quarterback. But I won't be all the way back until they also replace Mr. 1-32-1.

 

What exactly was "get rid of him" wrong with Taylor today?  Some inconsistency and one pick, otherwise a good game.

 

The offense was inept, Taylor's decision making was awful, he missed wide open receivers, he threw an INT at crunch time (his one claim to fame is that he usually doesn't turn the ball over), he didn't step up in the pocket, he actually ran into a sack when the left side was wide open for a QB run or pass, etc.

 

I'm really not surprised though. Everyone knows that Taylor is at best an average quarterback. This is the guy who was actually benched for Nathan Peterman for crying out loud. It's only a matter of time before he is benched for the Heisman winner and #1 overall pick.

 

How many times did Tyrod revert to that little dump off pass 3 years down field right over the line of scrimmage.  It must have been 6 times in the last two drives.  It seems like he was always looking for the relief valve.  Count me in on the "let's try Baker" bandwagon.

 

Browns fans are the worst.  This is why we keep ruining rookie QBs (or playing guys like Manziel when we're 7-4.). We were expected to lose the first two games even if we're much better this year, and we tied the Steelers and would have beaten the Saints if we had a kicker and you're calling for the QB's head already?  Come on.

Same old Browns. I'll be back when they replace their kicker, ST coach, and quarterback. But I won't be all the way back until they also replace Mr. 1-32-1.

 

What exactly was "get rid of him" wrong with Taylor today?  Some inconsistency and one pick, otherwise a good game.

 

The offense was inept, Taylor's decision making was awful, he missed wide open receivers, he threw an INT at crunch time (his one claim to fame is that he usually doesn't turn the ball over), he didn't step up in the pocket, he actually ran into a sack when the left side was wide open for a QB run or pass, etc.

 

I'm really not surprised though. Everyone knows that Taylor is at best an average quarterback. This is the guy who was actually benched for Nathan Peterman for crying out loud. It's only a matter of time before he is benched for the Heisman winner and #1 overall pick.

 

How many times did Tyrod revert to that little dump off pass 3 years down field right over the line of scrimmage.  It must have been 6 times in the last two drives.  It seems like he was always looking for the relief valve.  Count me in on the "let's try Baker" bandwagon.

 

Browns fans are the worst.  This is why we keep ruining rookie QBs (or playing guys like Manziel when we're 7-4.). We were expected to lose the first two games even if we're much better this year, and we tied the Steelers and would have beaten the Saints if we had a kicker and you're calling for the QB's head already?  Come on.

 

I don’t think the fans are the ones ruining anything

The fans are the reason the Browns have sucked for 20 years?? The Browns are the reason there are no more Browns fans.

 

Some rookie QBs aren't ready to start (Kizer). Some QBs are (Wilson, Prescott,  Newton). Tyrod has never been ranked higher than the 15th best QB in the league in any season and the only reason why he was ranked that high is because he typically doesn't throw interceptions. He takes sacks, runs or throws the ball away because he can't drive the ball into tight spaces due to a weak, inaccurate arm. While he doesn't usually throw INTs (which makes his QBR look good), he also doesn't throw TDs either. He's never thrown more than 20 TDs in a season. Of course Tyrod is keeping the seat warm until the cockpit is ready for Mayfield. The 10 days after the Jets game is the first potential window for starting Mayfield. If Tyrod has another lackluster performance against the Jets, it's time to start Mayfield. Only Tyrod can keep Mayfield strong, accurate arm and quick mind on the bench.

Taylor was the 8th best QB by rating in 2015. He’s also run for 500 yards three times, which isn’t nothing.

So he's declining? ;)

 

Impotent offense:

Browns have forced eight turnovers in two games. They have scored 10 total points off those turnovers despite numerous drives starting in the opponent's territory. The lone TD was a one-yard drive.

The fans have put pressure on the team to do stupid things, like replace Hoyer with Manziel when we were 7-4.  Do you really think that all the Johnny chants and stadium filled with Manziel jerseys didn't have an effect on the team's decision making?

 

Baker Mayfield may very well be the Browns quarterback of the future.  Tyrod very likely is not.  But yanking him now is a terrible idea and sends the message that the Browns are still the Browns to the rest of the players.

 

I get it, the first two games were frustrating.  But everyone expected us to be 0-2.  Even people that thought we might win 8 games this year.  Everyone said "we need to be patient after starting 0-2 and not blow things up".  We did BETTER than expected and everyone is still doing what they said they wouldn't do.

 

That being said, Zane Gonzalez DOES need to go.  He has consistently sucked.

I will settle this debate right now. Browns fans and Browns front office leadership are both terrible.

The fans have put pressure on the team to do stupid things, like replace Hoyer with Manziel when we were 7-4.  Do you really think that all the Johnny chants and stadium filled with Manziel jerseys didn't have an effect on the team's decision making?

 

 

You know the old saying -- coaches who succumb to fan pressure will soon be sitting among them.

The fans have put pressure on the team to do stupid things, like replace Hoyer with Manziel when we were 7-4.  Do you really think that all the Johnny chants and stadium filled with Manziel jerseys didn't have an effect on the team's decision making?

 

 

You know the old saying -- coaches who succumb to fan pressure will soon be sitting among them.

 

Reason 1,354,272 Baker shouldn't be playing yet.

Have the Browns cut Gonzalez yet?

Free agent kickers available:

 

Dan Bailey - All time he's an 88.2% kicker and 99.3% on PATs.  In 2017, he played 12 games for Dallas and was 15/20, though he did miss one from 20-29 yards, one from 30-39 yards, and two PATs.  Still...can't be worse than Zane.  Career long is 56 yards and he's 95+% for his career inside of 40 yards.

Kai Forbath - He's 85.9% for his career with a long of 57.  "Only" 169/180 on PATs.  Last year with Minnesota he was 32/38 on FGs.

Cairo Santos - He hasn't played a lot, but he's 90/107 for his career (84.1%) on FGs on has made 127/132 (96.2%) of PATs.

Blair Walsh: He's "only" 82.4% all-time on FGs and has made 95.1% of his PATs.

 

Have to act fast if Minnesota opts to dump their kicker and Zuerlein for the Rams may be out for a bit with an injury.

Here's the thing. Teams lose games - I will forever endorse that mantra. No one person is solely responsible.

 

Having said that, Gonzalez obviously was terrible and has to be cut. I also didn't like Todd Haley's play calling. Granted, Todd Haley has forgotten more football than all of us in the collective will ever know - here is my issue:

 

The Saints were manned up throughout most of the game, every so often they would play Cover 3, and typically you'd see Tyrod hit those middle control routes to Njoku or Higgins against it. Nonetheless, we had very favorable matchups with Callaway against a nickel safety at times, and Landry - who man to man is a good matchup against just about anyone. Tyrod was able to hit them in stride on a couple occasions after they got inside leverage and released to the seam whether it be a 12 yard dig, 5 yard under, or quick two-step slant.

 

We had good momentum several times mixing in the above-referenced routes and run plays out of 11 personnel - then we would suddenly run a screen or a draw. Don't get me wrong, Haley dialed up screens twice that were perfect - however only one was executed. He knew the Saints would bring pressure and he threw right into it.

 

I just wish he would coach a little more off of feel and a little less on the analytics of playcalling, which tells him he is overdue for X, Y, or Z.

 

Also, unpopular take... Hue should've given Tyrod one more shot at getting a completion to a sideline or throwing the ball away before kicking.

Also, unpopular take... Hue should've given Tyrod one more shot at getting a completion to a sideline or throwing the ball away before kicking.

 

If I have the timing right, the first play took 7 seconds then the next play took 6 seconds.  He opted to kick with 8 seconds - so it seems very viable one more play (even just in the 8-15 yard range) would have taken less than 8 seconds if they got it to the sideline with good timing.  I guess the risk is getting tackled inbounds, sack, etc.  Being where they were, the Saints likely wouldn't have been in prevent anymore so the windows that were open on the two previous plays may have been closed down quicker.

Also, unpopular take... Hue should've given Tyrod one more shot at getting a completion to a sideline or throwing the ball away before kicking.

 

If I have the timing right, the first play took 7 seconds then the next play took 6 seconds.  He opted to kick with 8 seconds - so it seems very viable one more play (even just in the 8-15 yard range) would have taken less than 8 seconds if they got it to the sideline with good timing.  I guess the risk is getting tackled inbounds, sack, etc.  Being where they were, the Saints likely wouldn't have been in prevent anymore so the windows that were open on the two previous plays may have been closed down quicker.

 

Saints would have had to run something like Tampa 2 against it. My point being, you put Tyrod in the shotgun and roll him out, the ball will be out of his hands either well out of bounds or to an open receiver near the sidelines in under 6 seconds.

If continuity is the rational way why not trade back for Kiser? Give him three years to blossom. Or what about Sashi? He drafted a kicker which is never done and then wasted it on good 'ole Zane.

 

I hate attacking the fan base. It's so silly. The Browns organization isn't this bad because of the fans, it's because it has been run by two inept owners: Randy Lerner followed by Jimmy Haslam. When Al Lerner was the owner the Browns weren't actually so bad as much as they we're coming out of expansion.

 

The fans control nothing about the organization except it's profitability.

Walsh and Santos working out today for the Browns.  Wonder if Dan Bailey is in Minneapolis today for the Vikings.

I don't believe they'll cut Zane. They spent a pick on the guy. They need to get value out of him.

I don't believe they'll cut Zane. They spent a pick on the guy. They need to get value out of him.

 

See: Roberto Aguayo

I don't believe they'll cut Zane. They spent a pick on the guy. They need to get value out of him.

 

See: Roberto Aguayo

 

We're using the Bucs front office as an example? Ouch.  ;D

 

Let's see, it's interesting Zane is still part of Berea as of now. Maybe they are waiting to sign a replacement, maybe not. I just have a weird feeling Zane will still be here for the Jets game.

Saints Become First Team To Beat Browns In 37 Weeks  ;D ;D ;D

 

https://deadspin.com/saints-become-first-team-to-beat-browns-in-37-weeks-1829094962?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=Deadspin_twitter

We're using the Bucs front office as an example? Ouch.  ;D

 

They're 2-0, so...

I don't believe they'll cut Zane. They spent a pick on the guy. They need to get value out of him.

 

See: Roberto Aguayo

 

We're using the Bucs front office as an example? Ouch.  ;D

 

And the Bears, and Panthers, and Chargers.

 

Point being - you don't hang on to something because it cost you if it doesn't work. Zane is a talented kicker - but its not the position where you can "give him time to come around"

I don't believe they'll cut Zane. They spent a pick on the guy. They need to get value out of him.

 

You’d like to believe that but:

 

Coleman, Erving, Manziel, Gilbert, Mingo, Weeden, Taylor

 

I don't believe they'll cut Zane. They spent a pick on the guy. They need to get value out of him.

 

See: Roberto Aguayo

 

We're using the Bucs front office as an example? Ouch.  ;D

 

And the Bears, and Panthers, and Chargers.

 

Point being - you don't hang on to something because it cost you if it doesn't work. Zane is a talented kicker - but its not the position where you can "give him time to come around"

 

Bears, Panthers and Chargers didn't draft Roberto.

We're using the Bucs front office as an example? Ouch.  ;D

 

They're 2-0, so...

 

So they're the SB Champs? Cause 2-0 means 19-0!  ;D

I don't believe they'll cut Zane. They spent a pick on the guy. They need to get value out of him.

 

See: Roberto Aguayo

 

We're using the Bucs front office as an example? Ouch.  ;D

 

And the Bears, and Panthers, and Chargers.

 

Point being - you don't hang on to something because it cost you if it doesn't work. Zane is a talented kicker - but its not the position where you can "give him time to come around"

 

A perfect example of the sunk cost fallacy.  You get one internet point.

 

I don't believe they'll cut Zane. They spent a pick on the guy. They need to get value out of him.

 

You’d like to believe that but:

 

Coleman, Erving, Manziel, Gilbert, Mingo, Weeden, Taylor

 

Drafting a kicker is a bit unusual vs. something like the Corey Coleman situation and they did get a pick for Coleman.

 

Other stuff is from those "ancient" regimes.

 

Reason 1,354,272 Baker shouldn't be playing yet.

 

I see your reasons and raise you 1,354,273 why Baker should be starting.

I don't believe they'll cut Zane. They spent a pick on the guy. They need to get value out of him.

 

See: Roberto Aguayo

 

We're using the Bucs front office as an example? Ouch.  ;D

 

And the Bears, and Panthers, and Chargers.

 

Point being - you don't hang on to something because it cost you if it doesn't work. Zane is a talented kicker - but its not the position where you can "give him time to come around"

 

Wait, but you keep the 1-32-1 coach? You guys crack me up! Hue gets soooo many passes yet Zane's head must be chopped off for two bad games.

Browns are 3-point favorites over the Jets at home. Win this game, Hue. The coaching excuse machine has to break down at some point.

 

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/line-movement/jets-[/member]-browns.cfm/date/9-20-18/time/2020

If they lose against the Jets, Hue should pack his bags.

If they lose against the Jets, Hue should pack his bags.

 

I'm actually in agreement here. The only way to turn this thing around is by winning the games you're supposed to win.

 

We can all make the argument that the Browns should be 2-0 or at least 1-0-1, but the fact of the matter is, the Saints and Steelers are both good squads. The Jets, not so much. Win the game.

I don't believe they'll cut Zane. They spent a pick on the guy. They need to get value out of him.

 

See: Roberto Aguayo

 

We're using the Bucs front office as an example? Ouch.  ;D

 

And the Bears, and Panthers, and Chargers.

 

Point being - you don't hang on to something because it cost you if it doesn't work. Zane is a talented kicker - but its not the position where you can "give him time to come around"

 

Wait, but you keep the 1-32-1 coach? You guys crack me up! Hue gets soooo many passes yet Zane's head must be chopped off for two bad games.

 

Yeah, aside from saying I thought we should keep him GOING into this season, idk where I said we should keep Hue?

I don't believe they'll cut Zane. They spent a pick on the guy. They need to get value out of him.

 

See: Roberto Aguayo

 

We're using the Bucs front office as an example? Ouch.  ;D

 

And the Bears, and Panthers, and Chargers.

 

Point being - you don't hang on to something because it cost you if it doesn't work. Zane is a talented kicker - but its not the position where you can "give him time to come around"

 

Wait, but you keep the 1-32-1 coach? You guys crack me up! Hue gets soooo many passes yet Zane's head must be chopped off for two bad games.

 

Yeah, aside from saying I thought we should keep him GOING into this season, idk where I said we should keep Hue?

 

The sunk cost fallacy applies to Hue as much as Zane. Zane had one really bad game, the Steelers game wasn't ideal for kicking. Hue has had more bad games than any NFL coach should be allowed to have. I believe the Jets game should be a referendum on Hue.

^ No doubt.  I think Hue should go if the lose to the Jets.

^ No doubt.  I think Hue should go if the lose to the Jets.

 

I think that's fair too.

 

Additionally, there is a MASSIVE difference between 1-1-1 and 0-2-1, especially in a division that could be wide open

And who replaces Hue Jackson?

 

There's nobody on this staff qualified to be HC.

 

There's nobody on this staff qualified to be HC.

 

This includes Hue

And who replaces Hue Jackson?

 

There's nobody on this staff qualified to be HC.

 

Except for the two coaches on the staff that have already been HC's....

And who replaces Hue Jackson?

 

There's nobody on this staff qualified to be HC.

 

Except for the two coaches on the staff that have already been HC's....

 

The guys who failed at being a head coach lol.

The Browns and the Steelers have the same record through week 2.

And who replaces Hue Jackson?

 

There's nobody on this staff qualified to be HC.

 

Except for the two coaches on the staff that have already been HC's....

 

The guys who failed at being a head coach lol.

 

Haley is 19-26 with a playoff appearance... Not great numbers but certainly an upgrade at this point.

And who replaces Hue Jackson?

 

There's nobody on this staff qualified to be HC.

 

Except for the two coaches on the staff that have already been HC's....

 

The guys who failed at being a head coach lol.

 

Haley is 19-26 with a playoff appearance... Not great numbers but certainly an upgrade at this point.

 

I get ya. But doesn't Haley need to focus 100 percent on the offense?

Browns signing kicker Greg Joseph

 

The Browns have found a replacement for Zane Gonzalez. The Browns are signing kicker Greg Joseph, a league source confirmed for cleveland.com. The signing was first reported by NFL Network's Ian Rapoport.

 

Joseph spent training camp with the Miami Dolphins after signing as an undrafted free agent out of FAU. He lost a training camp competition to Jason Sanders, who the Dolphins picked in the seventh round of last April's draft.

 

MORE:

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/09/browns_to_sign_kicker_greg_jos.html

Who?

The area to the left of the goalposts will now be referred to as Zanesville.

Looks like Flash is going to New England.