16 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Don't let the partners read that.  In their minds there are NEVER enough billable hours generated by you grunt associates?

 

Lol! I'll be here tomorrow and probably Sunday morning so whatever 

52 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

• Pass rush: If TB12 isn't able to get a lot of 3 steps drops and quick passes, Myles, Olivier, and Larry can have a field day - they have to be symbiotic, though - as Brady has the best pocket presence in the history of the game. 

 

You know, I keep hearing that our DL will have a field day in the next game because XYZ's starting left tackle is injured or because XYZ's line sucks in general. And the Browns's DL ends up being unable to generate consistent pressure. So far, I'd say our DL has been the biggest disappointment of the season. They've been decent, but that's subpar for the talent level there.

Edited October 25, 20195 yr by KJP

2 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

You know, I keep hearing that our DL will have a field day in the next game because XYZ's starting left tackle is injured or because XYZ's line sucks in general. And the Browns's DL ends up being unable to generate consistent pressure. So far, I'd say our DL has been the biggest disappointment of the season. They've been decent, but that's subpar for the talent level there.

 

I think that's unfair to say when Myles Garrett is tied for the NFL lead in sacks with a bye week already under his belt. Ogunjobi has 3 as well. If anything - I'd say Olivier Vernon has been a let down individually and request that we see more of Genard Avery

Like I say, I think they've been decent. But I was expecting something more like what we saw from them vs. Tampa Bay in the preseason. 

Can't believe that they are only down by ten. I admit I was feeling bad for Chubb but when Mayfield handed it off to the Patriots I actually laughed..sorry.

Penalties, penalties, penalties.

Illegal shift. 

4 minutes ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

Penalties, penalties, penalties.

ALL SEASON LONG

 

I'm so pissed

 

False start...again. 
 

What does this team do during the week?  

 

[edit] I want to apologize to the Browns O-line for what turns out to be A PURPOSEFUL FALSE START DIRECTED BY FREDDIE KITCHENS IN ORDER TO PRESERVE A TIMEOUT DESPITE MAKING IT 4TH AND 16 AND STILL GOING FOR A FIRST DOWN ON THE NEXT PLAY.  

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 28, 20195 yr by surfohio

And

 

Edited October 28, 20195 yr by KJP

On ‎10‎/‎27‎/‎2019 at 7:14 PM, surfohio said:

False start...again. 
 

What does this team do during the week?  

 

[edit] I want to apologize to the Browns O-line for what turns out to be A PURPOSEFUL FALSE START DIRECTED BY FREDDIE KITCHENS IN ORDER TO PRESERVE A TIMEOUT DESPITE MAKING IT 4TH AND 16 AND STILL GOING FOR A FIRST DOWN ON THE NEXT PLAY. 

 

I'm fine with firing Freddie for this stupidity alone.

Can we steal Greg Williams back from the Cardinals? 

Here goes y'all - i'll just go by offense and defense:

 

OFFENSE

• Nick Chubb is still the f****** man. The fumbles happened, he'll move on, as should we. 
• Baker's lack of awareness is starting to get really frustrating. Particularly:
  • It was the 2nd or 3rd play of the game where we had a nice gain that was called back due to an illegal man downfield. This play was an RPO (Run-pass option) and first off, I think Baker made the wrong read. We had 6 on 6 in the box and Baker's read was the weak side linebacker, who didn't overly commit on the run. Whenever you have numbers and a WLB in pass coverage, you give. Moreover, the fact that Baker had to wait for Landry to clear that LB is what caused the throw to come a half second later than it otherwise should have, and led to our OL downfield blocking - doing 100% the right thing. Baker needs better situational awareness there. 
  • The Pats didn't disguise all that much. When they were Cover 0, they were in our faces about it. 5-6x throughout the game Baker could have taken off for 7-8 easy yards as all defenders had their backs turned guarding their man. I know you all get frustrated when he scrambles, but when you see Cover 0 with no spy, running is usually the right thing to do. 
• We were out coached, and here's a couple nuanced points:
  • Chubb's first fumble was due to a brilliant piece of technique by Kyle van Noy. When left unblocked, defensive ends are taught to squeeze the end and scan laterally down the LOS, as it usually means they're either the read man or about to get blown up by a pulling OL. In this case, KVN saw the pull, and dove at the inside knee of Bitonio (I think), which clogged the hole and sent Bitonio off of his feet - leading to the fumble. 
  • When we run screens, our alignment makes it predictable. At least 2-3x I saw all of our receivers to the playside lined up on the line of scrimmage. In essence, this makes every receiver inside of the end man ineligible which: a) tells the defenders that the inside receivers/TE aren't running a route or b) leads to a penalty. This is the type of crap good high school coaches pick up on, much less Bellichick. 
• We need Odell to get more targets. He's really not being doubled as much as people claim, and even when he is, we can still throw him open. As someone that played TE throughout my career, I can sincerely say that a ball is exponentially harder to catch later in a game if you haven't gotten any targets and acclimation throughout the game. Obviously, he needs to bring in that back shoulder throw, but we also need to prime the motor a bit. 

DEFENSE

• Steve Wilks is the man. Our defense flies to the ball and everyone gives effort. We just need a little better technique out of Greedy and we'll be ready to roll. 
• I'd like to see him incorporate Myles and Olivier into a few more stunts when their lined up in the boundary. Both of them can escape blocks on their own, but they become damn near unguardable when communication between OL leads to any confusion whatsoever.
• Joe Schobert plays well beyond his means. Guy will be an asset if we start ripping off wins here and look for the playoffs. 

 

All in all, everyone needs to calm down. We're still okay. If we lose to Denver, however, get the life jackets. 

 

 

50 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

All in all, everyone needs to calm down. We're still okay. If we lose to Denver, however, get the life jackets. 

 

2-5 is still 2-5 and not many of the issues that have been highlighted appear to be getting fixed.  Blown out by a .500 Titans team and blown out by a surprising 9ers team. 

 

That said, the schedule gets markedly easier - Buffalo is the only remaining team currently above .500 before the Week 16 rematch with Baltimore.  Cincy twice and Miami should = 3 automatic wins.  Split the other remaining 6 and it's 8-8.  Do slightly better and it becomes 9-7.

9-7 this year vs 7-8-1 last year with allllllll of the extra firepower would be a disappointment, at least to me. Though 9-7 is probably realistic, I'm hoping they win every game for the rest of the season and that the penalties and turnovers will be finally be addressed. They're just playing sub-par with all of the talent this team has, and much of it points to coaching. I'm not saying get rid of Kitchens, but the penalties and turnovers- that's just undisciplined play and points to the coach.

13 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

2-5 is still 2-5 and not many of the issues that have been highlighted appear to be getting fixed.  Blown out by a .500 Titans team and blown out by a surprising 9ers team. 

 

That said, the schedule gets markedly easier - Buffalo is the only remaining team currently above .500 before the Week 16 rematch with Baltimore.  Cincy twice and Miami should = 3 automatic wins.  Split the other remaining 6 and it's 8-8.  Do slightly better and it becomes 9-7.

 

I agree - and there are no excuses for some of the undisciplined play we're seeing. 

 

Nonetheless, Browns fans love to enter this self-perpetuating cycle of starting over, and have yet to realize its effects

 

this week, how many:

Penalty yards?

Fumbles?

 

and most importantly, will we win?

11 minutes ago, MyTwoSense said:

this week, how many:

Penalty yards?

Fumbles?

 

and most importantly, will we win?

I predict a win (narrow margin of victory).

 

I think the two fumbles by Chubb were a fluke- the first one especially, as I doubt most running backs are really watching specifically for their linemen to get upturned right ahead of them and kick the ball out of their hands.  That was one in a million.  The second one was is the kind of thing that happens as the result of some really good ball hawking by the Pat's defense.  Chubb is too good and works too hard at his craft not to learn from it.

 

I hope.

18 hours ago, MyTwoSense said:

this week, how many:

Penalty yards?

Fumbles?

 

and most importantly, will we win?

Good weather today. They’ll focus on playing smarter. Browns will win it! 

2 hours ago, surfohio said:

Good weather today. They’ll focus on playing smarter. Browns will win it! 

I will be watching and rooting for them.

Freddie isn't ready to be a head coach.

^Unfortunately that looks true, much more so with each passing week. 

They make playing football look so hard.

Edited November 4, 20195 yr by BelievelandD1

On 11/2/2019 at 4:18 PM, Boxtruffles said:

I predict a win (narrow margin of victory).

 

 

Well, to be fair, the Cavs were 2-2 at that point.  Browns fans were similarly elated (myself included) after we beat the Ravens to go to 2-2.

11 hours ago, DarkandStormy said:

Freddie isn't ready to be a head coach.

 

The Browns need to fire him today.

2 and 6, with this level of talent, is unacceptable.

 

The team could've stuck with Greg Williams if this was what we had to look forward to.  

At least someone is being held accountable. He stinks and he publicly threatened people when criticized for it.

 

 

Edited November 4, 20195 yr by KJP

Do we have a Defensive Coordinator?  

4 hours ago, punch said:

Do we have a Defensive Coordinator?  

 

I think almost all of the coaching staff is defensive at this point, not just the coordinators.

I was fully expecting to give the browns a pass after a win in Denver. I predicted they would go 4-4 through 8 with that schedule they had...and then rock and roll. A win in Denver would’ve made them 3-5 and they let one against rams and one against Seahawks slip away. Ok, young team playing super bowl tested franchises down to the wire. We will give them a pass.  Funny how 5 points and several inches on bakers sneak and The entire season is a complete disaster. There is no excuse to lose that game with that much on the line. You win that game and come home to take care of buffalo and Pittsburgh and you are where you need to be. Bad bad bad.  Unfortunately the black cloud and losing culture is now all over these young guys and Dorsey who were suppose to change things. Once you are in, there is no gettin out

What a disappointment. They should have won that game, and instead...ugh...and the Jermaine Whitehead thing just make it uglier.  I think I am learning what it is to be a Browns fan. sigh. On to next week! 

 

On ‎11‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 1:47 PM, Gramarye said:

I think almost all of the coaching staff is defensive at this point, not just the coordinators.

 

No, they are offensive.

 

...

 

Ba dum tsss

I think the Browns need to take some advice from the late great Tony Gwynn.

 

Remember these two things: play hard and have fun.

 

Anyone else notice since game 1 the Cleveland Browns have looked absolutely miserable. Why is that? 

1 hour ago, freefourur said:

 

Just imagine what he will look like after 8 years...maybe like one of those meth before and afters. Either that or he will be on My 600 Pound Life?

I'm watching, but can't make this out on TV.  My brother and cousins say people are chanting, "Fire Freddie". 

 

Is it true the love affair is over?  Is last seasons "golden boy", this seasons "polished turd"! 

 

 

whoa how do you miss that tying fg?

 

but anyway ...

 

BAZINGA !!!!

 

way to go browns

A win is a win is a win is a win! 

 

Maybe this is the turnaround point?

 

*Cleveland wins, OSU wins, Bama loses. All is good.

Edited November 10, 20195 yr by Toddguy

23 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

A win is a win is a win is a win! 

 

Maybe this is the turnaround point?

 

*Cleveland wins, OSU wins, Bama loses. All is good.

I agree a "W" is a "W".  Lets hope the Cavs do their job and get a "W" tonight against the sknicks!  Or I may go to jail!

1 hour ago, mrnyc said:

whoa how do you miss that tying fg?

 

but anyway ...

 

BAZINGA !!!!

 

way to go browns

159ft is a long-@#% kick (through 18ft wide uprights). Couple that with the pressure of a game on the line and that was a very missable attempt. 

5 hours ago, MyTwoSense said:

I'm watching, but can't make this out on TV.  My brother and cousins say people are chanting, "Fire Freddie". 

 

Is it true the love affair is over?  

There's been quite a bit of game mismanagement this season. Plus the offense has been really out of sync, save for the Ravens game. 

 

But nice to see the W today, even though the Browns really should have won by 14.

Edited November 11, 20195 yr by surfohio

Penalties and turnovers were down, almost completely. So that’s good. Something still didn’t feel right, but they can make the first 8 games forgotten with a win Thursday and then Miami coming to town.  The taunting penalty in Q1 almost ended up being a huge issue. Little stuff like that, has to be eliminated completely 

On 10/30/2019 at 12:59 PM, YABO713 said:

 

I agree - and there are no excuses for some of the undisciplined play we're seeing. 

 

Nonetheless, Browns fans love to enter this self-perpetuating cycle of starting over, and have yet to realize its effects

Where is your post game analysis!

2 hours ago, stpats44113 said:

Where is your post game analysis!

 

Lol I have a presentation to prepare for along with some additional projects. Currently slammed, I'll try to get one in tomorrow, because I actually saw shimmers of hope in this goalline stands - believe it or not

Heh.  I turned the game off after the fumble-recovery TD for Buffalo that was waved off as a forward pass after I'd already tuned out.  This thread was the first inkling I had that we actually won the game.  I was very confused until I went back and watched a YouTube highlight reel.

12 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

Lol I have a presentation to prepare for along with some additional projects. Currently slammed, I'll try to get one in tomorrow, because I actually saw shimmers of hope in this goalline stands - believe it or not

I don’t believe it but I’m looking forward to seeing what you have to say. It looked like a complete sh*t show on the goal line.

1 hour ago, stpats44113 said:

I don’t believe it but I’m looking forward to seeing what you have to say. It looked like a complete sh*t show on the goal line.

 

Alright y'all... 

 

Offense

 

• Goal Line Stands - Here's the thing, the play-calling on the goal line stands was actually terrific. The execution by players was lacking. We lined up in a BOHICA formation and tried an iso, we isolated Odell twice and targeted him, if Chubb catches the shovel pass cleanly, he walks into the endzone, the power toss was designed to give the guard space to pull and kick out, but we missed our blocks playside which blew the whole damn thing up. Freddie called literally everything we would've wanted him to call. Now, having said that, we still need to execute, particularly the o-line... but for the first time all year, I thought Freddie was on top of the play-calling with goal to go. 
• Running game - Boy oh boy Chubb & Hunt are going to be tough to stop... both are capable blockers, pass catchers, hard runners, and difficult to bring down - I think Freddie used him as well as one could expect for a first game back. 
• Passing Game - Baker's pre-snap recognition was vastly improved this game. In particular, on the touchdown to Landry, the Bill showed Cloud 6 to the Field (I thinkkkkk, might not be remembering correctly - it was zone nonetheless), but they came off the ball manned up, and Baker knew it and put that ball on Jarvis's person, not in the gap (which would have been the read against zone). Still not perfect, and I think he expected man when he took the safety but got zone, which gave him pause. 

Defense

• I actually don't think this was one of Wilks' best performances. I think he had some very unique opportunities to get 2 vs 2 on the outside with Myles Garrett alone with Knox, which would've been like pistol whipping a blind guy - instead, he often sent field zone dog blitzes, off of Olivier's butt, which led to pressure and ultimately some sacks, but I think Myles gets 3-4 sacks that game if we send more stunts and blitzes off of his butt. 
• TJ Carrie continues to be an excellent tackler and Denzel flew under the radar with a great game... the only receptions he really gave up were nearly unguardable. 
• Joe Schobert might get exposed by Vance McDonald this week, he's really struggled guarding TEs in space
• MACK WILSON IS SPECIAL. Get attached, Cleveland, because this young man is the future. He has a nose for the ball, he plays angry, he plays smart, and he's a rookie... yikes. 

Coaching

• Per my above comments, I actually think the play calls on the goal line were exactly what we'd want them to be. If you would've shown me that play call script, and told me we wouldn't score off those options, I would've laughed at you. 
• The timeout before time expired at the 3rd was awful, though. People keep defending it saying it didn't give them time to come up with a play... and:
  • A) This is the NFL, you don't "come up with" plays, I promise you McDermott had a segment of his script devoted to the down and distance scenario, 4-5 plays in 2-3 different formations. 
  • B) If you were concerned about them coming up with a play - which is absurd - then it shows an utter lack of confidence in your defensive coordinator and scheme. 
  • C) In any cost-benefit analysis, you cannot tell me that burning a timeout there is worth losing one on a two-minute drive at the end of the game. 
• Ultimately, we won against a good football team, so it's a positive.
• I'd like to see some more hurry-up mixed into games, when Freddie is calling off a script with tempo, he's a much more creative coach

To sum up....