November 23, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: A couple of thoughts after yesterday's game -- The Browns offense is getting less explosive. We've also had some brutal weather at home the last 3 games (and no Odell Beckham, who is a serious running threat as we saw in Dallas).
November 23, 20204 yr 44 minutes ago, Cleburger said: We've also had some brutal weather at home the last 3 games (and no Odell Beckham, who is a serious running threat as we saw in Dallas). Agree...and it's also a part of why the defense has looked better IMO.
November 23, 20204 yr 4 hours ago, jam40jeff said: Agree...and it's also a part of why the defense has looked better IMO. Another part is that Ronnie Harrison was a big contributor in the Raiders and Texans games, and the Browns ran some creative blizting yesterday to make up for a missing Myles. That delayed corner blitz by Ward that forced the pick-6 was a thing of beauty. BTW, I also note that Browns got more turnovers than they gave away was key in these last three bad weather games. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 24, 20204 yr 8 hours ago, Cleburger said: We've also had some brutal weather at home the last 3 games (and no Odell Beckham, who is a serious running threat as we saw in Dallas). Earlier I saw Marcellus Wiley on ESPN commenting that the weather was instrumental in helping out the Browns secondary. According to him they'll be exposed in "normal" weather and, with the defense leaking like a sieve, the Browns entire ball-control game plan won't work. We shall see!
November 24, 20204 yr 20th in point differential. I wonder if a team with negative point differential has ever been 7-3? This team still feels like fools gold to me. They’ve only beaten one team that’s not absolute garbage. I guess we’ll know where they stand after the Titans/Ravens games in a few weeks. You would hope they can take care of Jaguars this week. Edited November 24, 20204 yr by bumsquare
November 24, 20204 yr 24 minutes ago, bumsquare said: 20th in point differential. I wonder if a team with negative point differential has ever been 7-3? This team still feels like fools gold to me. They’ve only beaten one team that’s not absolute garbage. I guess we’ll know where they stand after the Titans/Ravens games in a few weeks. You would hope they can take care of Jaguars this week. Ever that bad with a 7-3 record, not sure. But apparently it's not uncommon to have a winning record at the end of the season with a negative diff: https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/agplox/has_a_team_ever_had_a_winning_record_but_a/
November 24, 20204 yr I’m at a point where I’m thrilled with 7-3, but am not overly confident in them against playoff teams. They are above average right now and making plays. They are not built to come from behind. They have to hope for close games and then close out (like they’ve been! ) with that running game. Even on the eagles first drive, thank goodness for the fumble or that game may have had a different tone. Baker will be asked to make big plays like in the Cincinnati game at some point. Eager to see if he delivers
November 24, 20204 yr It never ceases to amaze me that there are Browns fans who aren't ecstatic with 7-3. It's as if the last 25 years never happened. This team has had one playoff season in that time (2002) and only in one other season (2007) did the Browns even compete for the playoffs. We are competing for it this year. Suddenly we want a Super Bowl contender? That's not how it works. I'm just overjoyed to have a playoff contender and a solid foundation for future growth. Once you have a solid OL and DL and a competent QB and coaching staff, you have that foundation. They are also learning how to win against teams they would have lost to in the past. This year has been very enjoyable and, with a competent front office, there's a very good chance that this team could be Super next year. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 24, 20204 yr 7 minutes ago, KJP said: It never ceases to amaze me that there are Browns fans who aren't ecstatic with 7-3. It's as if the last 25 years never happened. This team has had one playoff season in that time (2002) and only in one other season (2007) did the Browns even compete for the playoffs. We are competing for it this year. Suddenly we want a Super Bowl contender? That's not how it works. I'm just overjoyed to have a playoff contender and a solid foundation for future growth. Once you have a solid OL and DL and a competent QB and coaching staff, you have that foundation. They are also learning how to win against teams they would have lost to in the past. This year has been very enjoyable and, with a competent front office, there's a very good chance that this team could be Super next year. I also think people forget that we did this with Chubb out for 6 weeks and losing OBJ for the season. The Browns of the 2000s and 2010s found ways to lose even games they should have won. These Browns are finding ways to win games. Edited November 24, 20204 yr by jam40jeff
November 24, 20204 yr I think losing so badly to the Steelers and Ravens has tempered some of the enthusiasm. The Browns are closer to being the 4th best team vs. being best in the AFC North. But hey, I'm ecstatic the team has found ways to win. Though I'm admittedly still upset at the Kitchens experiment wasting all of last season. So bad lol.
November 24, 20204 yr I think the enthusiasm will ramp up a lot if we beat a couple more good teams. Right now, we've only beat a bunch of drek and the Colts (which was a quality win, for sure).
November 24, 20204 yr 3 hours ago, KJP said: It never ceases to amaze me that there are Browns fans who aren't ecstatic with 7-3. It's as if the last 25 years never happened. This team has had one playoff season in that time (2002) and only in one other season (2007) did the Browns even compete for the playoffs. We are competing for it this year. Suddenly we want a Super Bowl contender? That's not how it works. I'm just overjoyed to have a playoff contender and a solid foundation for future growth. Once you have a solid OL and DL and a competent QB and coaching staff, you have that foundation. They are also learning how to win against teams they would have lost to in the past. This year has been very enjoyable and, with a competent front office, there's a very good chance that this team could be Super next year. They were in almost exactly the same spot in 2014. This definitely feels more like that than actual contention. I hope they’re actually good this time but I think it’s reasonable to wait for them to actually complete one competent season before getting excited.
November 24, 20204 yr 12 minutes ago, bumsquare said: They were in almost exactly the same spot in 2014. This definitely feels more like that than actual contention. I hope they’re actually good this time but I think it’s reasonable to wait for them to actually complete one competent season before getting excited. Respectfully, there are very little parallels between this season and 2014. This is an above-average team who clearly has needs to fill. I'll give the full analysis tomorrow!
November 24, 20204 yr 13 minutes ago, YABO713 said: Respectfully, there are very little parallels between this season and 2014. This is an above-average team who clearly has needs to fill. I'll give the full analysis tomorrow! I’m just saying the record was almost exactly the same. I said previously they should beat Jacksonville, that would get them to at least .500. Obviously that 2014 team finished with 5 straight losses. They still need to prove they’re a good team rather than like the 8th best in the AFC.
November 24, 20204 yr 4 hours ago, jam40jeff said: I also think people forget that we did this with Chubb out for 6 weeks and losing OBJ for the season. The Browns of the 2000s and 2010s found ways to lose even games they should have won. These Browns are finding ways to win games. And now Myles Garret for a couple weeks and Denzel Ward for_____________? If they can make adjustments and keep winning, it is a great sign. The Browns of old would have quit and started talking "next year".
November 24, 20204 yr Turns out the Browns aren't outliers..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 25, 20204 yr 19 hours ago, bumsquare said: I’m just saying the record was almost exactly the same. I said previously they should beat Jacksonville, that would get them to at least .500. Obviously that 2014 team finished with 5 straight losses. They still need to prove they’re a good team rather than like the 8th best in the AFC. That team finished with 5 straight losses because we moronically decided Johnny Manziel was "the man" when we had a winning record. We all know how that little experiment turned out.
November 25, 20204 yr 20 hours ago, KJP said: Turns out the Browns aren't outliers..... The browns are literally the only team on that list that is 1-3. This site makes a composite of a number of statistical power rankings from various sites. It has the Browns ranked 18th. A below average team that’s had an easy schedule seems about right. http://powerrankingsguru.com/nfl/team-power-rankings.php Edited November 25, 20204 yr by bumsquare
November 29, 20204 yr They deserve to lose to the Jags "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 29, 20204 yr 27-25. That was more exciting than it needed to be. 😬 Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
November 29, 20204 yr 26 minutes ago, Dougal said: 27-25. That was more exciting than it needed to be. 😬 A win is a win though. I bet the Jaguars regret going for two in the 3rd quarter.
November 30, 20204 yr 4 hours ago, KJP said: They deserve to lose to the Jags Baker’s receivers made tough catches all day. That play was painful to watch. Wide open. However, he did make some tough throws today.
November 30, 20204 yr 36 minutes ago, stpats44113 said: Baker’s receivers made tough catches all day. That play was painful to watch. Wide open. However, he did make some tough throws today. He missed the easy throw and made the heart throws. Such is the life of Baker Mayfield. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 30, 20204 yr Baker is still the best the Browns have had at QB since ‘99. While there’s a lot of things he needs to tighten up, I think he can and will improve.
November 30, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, Sapper Daddy said: Baker is still the best the Browns have had at QB since ‘99. While there’s a lot of things he needs to tighten up, I think he can and will improve. If Couch never got injured he would have been a stud. He definitely was the real deal until he blew his arm out. Baker is a good QB but not a great one. He needs a better supporting cast. He is like an Andy Dalton type QB. He is not the transformational QB who can lift a team on his shoulders and win on his own. Mahomes, Brady, Manning, Elway, Brees, Rothlisberger were these types of QB's. Baker is not going to make it to that level. DOes not mean he cannot be a good NFL QB. Just not elite.
November 30, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said: If Couch never got injured he would have been a stud. He definitely was the real deal until he blew his arm out. Baker is a good QB but not a great one. He needs a better supporting cast. He is like an Andy Dalton type QB. He is not the transformational QB who can lift a team on his shoulders and win on his own. Mahomes, Brady, Manning, Elway, Brees, Rothlisberger were these types of QB's. Baker is not going to make it to that level. DOes not mean he cannot be a good NFL QB. Just not elite. All of those QBs you mentioned had elite talent around them and great coaching. Mahomes and Roethisberger were drafted by playoff contending teams. Baker was drafted by the winless Browns who since 1999 have been the worst team in pro sports. He since has had 4 head coaches, at least 3 off coordinators and one of the worst defenses in the NFL. This year he has lost his best WR, RB, TE and O-lineman, and the defense has been riddled with injuries and some of you people are wondering why he isn’t an “elite” QB? Some of you people are amazingly ridiculous!! After all the Browns are 8-3 not 3-8!! Take a chill pill. Please!!!
November 30, 20204 yr Yeah, and outside of 3-4 bad passes at pretty critical times, he had a really good game. He's doing a great job protecting the ball, he can be accurate most of the time, and of course bottom line we're 8-3!
November 30, 20204 yr 7 hours ago, pontiac51 said: All of those QBs you mentioned had elite talent around them and great coaching. Mahomes and Roethisberger were drafted by playoff contending teams. Baker was drafted by the winless Browns who since 1999 have been the worst team in pro sports. He since has had 4 head coaches, at least 3 off coordinators and one of the worst defenses in the NFL. This year he has lost his best WR, RB, TE and O-lineman, and the defense has been riddled with injuries and some of you people are wondering why he isn’t an “elite” QB? Some of you people are amazingly ridiculous!! After all the Browns are 8-3 not 3-8!! Take a chill pill. Please!!! The Browns have the #1 rushing offense in the league and one of the best offensive lines. He’s still only completing 61% of his passes (29th in the league) and is 23rd in the league in passer rating. He’s 40 games into his career and going to be 26 already next year and due for an extension. I hope the Browns are able to be honest with themselves about what kind of player he is: a below average game manager.
November 30, 20204 yr Synopsis Defense Honestly, not much to say here. We have very little talent on defense without Garrett, Ward, and Harrison. I do wish we would run a little more cover 1 with Karl Joseph - not Sendejo - in zone. That would be better suited once we get our pass rush back, however. I also wish we'd blitz a little more from the boundary - I think we could utilize Mack Wilson's aggression and put him in situations to be successful. All in all - they did the best we could ask of them with their 3 best players out. Offense We know Baker missed the touchdown - for the love of God its all anyone talked about. I'm more concerned with the fact that he was so delayed on his read, tbh. That was a smash concept (which sees a flag or deep out over top, normally with a hitch or option route underneath). However, because this was against man, Higgins had the option route and it worked as a rub. Baker should've seen that immediately and that ball should've been to Higgins before he even crossed the goal line. Beyond that, Baker's mistakes are correctable - he threw that ball off his back foot, with his body opened up, which will lead to a high throw 9x out of 10. Take comfort in the fact that his biggest flaws are the most correctable. Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt continue to be incredible. Our interior lineman have also been phenomenal. Teller, Bitonio, and Tretter all have an uncanny ability to combo and get to the next level. Having an Ivy League grad at center certainly helps in those situations, because you seldom see the Browns make assignment errors up front. Our wide receivers deserve another shoutout - I don't know if there's a receiving core in the NFL who blocks harder than them - and I'll include the TE's in there too. I know Harrison Bryant is struggling with ball security, but the kid just flat out GETS IT with blocking. A reach or scoop on a 9 technique is one of the hardest blocks in football, and Hooper and Bryant get it done consistently. PSA: Get over the refs bad calls. Losers blame the refs. Fact of the matter is, against a team like Jacksonville, you shouldn't even be in a position to let a blown call impact the outcome of the game. In the end it all worked out anyways. Additional PSA: Idk what it is about our fan base, but why do we hate ourselves so much??? Pretty much all of our best players have missed multiple games, we have a first year head coach, and we're 8-3!?!? I swear to God there are a contingent of Browns fans who are upset that the Browns are good. To put my Freud hat on, I think many of these fans have a miserable, unfulfilling life and were always able to point at the Browns and say, "well even I could have ______" and "well at least I'm not __________", and now they have to confront their own shortcomings, or wait until Cavs season
November 30, 20204 yr Well, there's this....... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 30, 20204 yr 4 hours ago, YABO713 said: Additional PSA: Idk what it is about our fan base, but why do we hate ourselves so much??? Pretty much all of our best players have missed multiple games, we have a first year head coach, and we're 8-3!?!? I swear to God there are a contingent of Browns fans who are upset that the Browns are good. To put my Freud hat on, I think many of these fans have a miserable, unfulfilling life and were always able to point at the Browns and say, "well even I could have ______" and "well at least I'm not __________", and now they have to confront their own shortcomings, or wait until Cavs season lol you are obviously young. its isnt so much that as it is the long and sadly real history of the browns. but don't worry, they are not that bad of a fanbase, just a knowledgable one with a sometimes maddening elephant memory. an upcoming win against any of these good teams: titans, ravens or steelers will excite those people. assuming we beat the pathetic ny teams, going 2-3 over the last games will not. now i dont agree with that at all, its already been a wildly successful season given all you already said imo, but thats how it is. as chris rock says, i don't approve, but ... i understand lol. Edited November 30, 20204 yr by mrnyc
December 1, 20204 yr On 11/30/2020 at 8:19 AM, YABO713 said: Additional PSA: Idk what it is about our fan base, but why do we hate ourselves so much??? Pretty much all of our best players have missed multiple games, we have a first year head coach, and we're 8-3!?!? I swear to God there are a contingent of Browns fans who are upset that the Browns are good. To put my Freud hat on, I think many of these fans have a miserable, unfulfilling life and were always able to point at the Browns and say, "well even I could have ______" and "well at least I'm not __________", and now they have to confront their own shortcomings, or wait until Cavs season Time for me to put on my old-man hat.... The year was 1986. The Browns were winning ugly. Week after week, they barely eeked out wins against the likes of the Buffalo Bills (4-12), Houston Oilers (5-11), and Pittsburgh Steelers (6-10). Their only quality win that season was against the Kansas City Chiefs who went on to go 10-6 that season. Yes, the Browns ended the Three Rivers jinx, winning there for the first time ever. But the Steelers stunk that season. They should have beaten the crap out of the Steelers, instead they escaped with a narrow 27-24 win. A month later, they needed overtime to beat the Steelers. After Week 14, when the Browns barely beat the lowly Bills, the Browns were 10-4. No one thought the Browns were going to beat the 9-5 Bengals in Cincinnati in Week 15. Earlier in the year, on Thursday Night Football, the Browns were smoked by the Bengals on national TV in Cleveland 30-13. Everyone expected Cincinnati to win and win big in taking over the lead in the AFC Central. On Dec. 14, 1986, the Browns went down to Cincinnati and physically dominated the Bengals, beating them 34-3. It was one of the most exhilirating games I can remember. THAT was when people started to believe. THAT was when the Browns songs started playing on the radio for the first time in six years (the Kardiac Kids season). THAT was when statues in downtown Cleveland started wearing Browns gear. The next game, the Browns destroyed the faded San Diego Chargers in Dan Fouts last game 47-17, ending the season with a magical 12-4 record. It was followed by the Browns-Jets playoff game when Bernie led the Browns back from 10 points down in the final 4 minutes to go to double overtime and win. And then there was The Drive game vs. Denver. I was at both, although I didn't see the overtimes in the Jets game, as my family, I and many others thought the Browns playoff woes were continuing. The Browns hadn't won a playoff game since 1969, losing the next six playoff games. But after 1986, we began to realize the Browns were legit Super Bowl contenders. They were a better team in 1987 in my opinion, with a better defense and a more polished offense. They beat up a few good teams that season, including the Steelers and Oilers. Where do I think the Browns are right now? It's hard to say in the context of the present. In hindsight, like 1986, you can more clearly see who and what a team is. But now, no one can say for sure except that the Browns are still learning how to win. Considering where the Browns (including many of its players who have been here a few years) have been, that's a difficult but wonderful lesson to learn. A team that believes in itself and believes it is going to find a way to win is what the Browns are trying to achieve, overcoming the "oh no, what's going to take this win away from us today" mentality of the past 20 years. When this Browns team gets that first Dec. 14, 1986-type victory over a good team, that is when we fickle fans will join the players and coaches in believing in this team. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 1, 20204 yr 6 hours ago, KJP said: Time for me to put on my old-man hat.... The year was 1986. The Browns were winning ugly. Week after week, they barely eeked out wins against the likes of the Buffalo Bills (4-12), Houston Oilers (5-11), and Pittsburgh Steelers (6-10). Their only quality win that season was against the Kansas City Chiefs who went on to go 10-6 that season. Yes, the Browns ended the Three Rivers jinx, winning there for the first time ever. But the Steelers stunk that season. They should have beaten the crap out of the Steelers, instead they escaped with a narrow 27-24 win. A month later, they needed overtime to beat the Steelers. After Week 14, when the Browns barely beat the lowly Bills, the Browns were 10-4. No one thought the Browns were going to beat the 9-5 Bengals in Cincinnati in Week 15. Earlier in the year, on Thursday Night Football, the Browns were smoked by the Bengals on national TV in Cleveland 30-13. Everyone expected Cincinnati to win and win big in taking over the lead in the AFC Central. On Dec. 14, 1986, the Browns went down to Cincinnati and physically dominated the Bengals, beating them 34-3. It was one of the most exhilirating games I can remember. THAT was when people started to believe. THAT was when the Browns songs started playing on the radio for the first time in six years (the Kardiac Kids season). THAT was when statues in downtown Cleveland started wearing Browns gear. The next game, the Browns destroyed the faded San Diego Chargers in Dan Fouts last game 47-17, ending the season with a magical 12-4 record. It was followed by the Browns-Jets playoff game when Bernie led the Browns back from 10 points down in the final 4 minutes to go to double overtime and win. And then there was The Drive game vs. Denver. I was at both, although I didn't see the overtimes in the Jets game, as my family, I and many others thought the Browns playoff woes were continuing. The Browns hadn't won a playoff game since 1969, losing the next six playoff games. But after 1986, we began to realize the Browns were legit Super Bowl contenders. They were a better team in 1987 in my opinion, with a better defense and a more polished offense. They beat up a few good teams that season, including the Steelers and Oilers. Where do I think the Browns are right now? It's hard to say in the context of the present. In hindsight, like 1986, you can more clearly see who and what a team is. But now, no one can say for sure except that the Browns are still learning how to win. Considering where the Browns (including many of its players who have been here a few years) have been, that's a difficult but wonderful lesson to learn. A team that believes in itself and believes it is going to find a way to win is what the Browns are trying to achieve, overcoming the "oh no, what's going to take this win away from us today" mentality of the past 20 years. When this Browns team gets that first Dec. 14, 1986-type victory over a good team, that is when we fickle fans will join the players and coaches in believing in this team. I am the son of a man that bought Super Bowl tickets in 1986, 1987, and 1988. I understand the skepticism wholeheartedly. I also know what's in front of us now has nothing to do with the Browns of 1987 or the Browns of 2017. Stefanski has this team learning to win games that in year's past we would've lost. He's done an excellent job reinventing a culture, not about a "new attitude" or a "return to greatness", rather by remaining calm and making sure that everyone knows to do their 1/11. Do I think we'll likely lose by 10+ this weekend? Yeah, I do. But holy crap we're 8-3 and our first round pick this year gets to be a compliment, not a cornerstone. That's exciting.
December 1, 20204 yr ^ lol yeah but to win over skeptics the browns need that one big game win against a real team, aka one of any of those remaining non-ny teams. heck that would even forgive an upset loss to one of the crummy ny teams. and that's right that are certain teams like jets/giants that if they beat the browns it would be an upset. progress at last ha! Edited December 1, 20204 yr by mrnyc
December 1, 20204 yr 5 minutes ago, mrnyc said: ^ lol yeah but to win over skeptics the browns need that one big game win against a real team, aka one of any of those remaining non-ny teams. heck that would even forgive an upset loss to one of the crummy ny teams. and that's right that are certain teams like jets/giants that if they beat the browns it would be an upset. progress at last ha! FWIW - We're one of only 4 teams in the NFL undefeated against teams below 500.
December 1, 20204 yr ^ yes and that makes the attitude for some about this year's team worse. otoh, a big win always turns the tide.
December 1, 20204 yr i am fully expecting the browns to go 2-3 at the end here and squeak into the playoffs, but that will still leave plenty of skeptics bummed or at least scratching their heads about the team. a good thing is it all will continue piss off stephen a. -- haha.
December 1, 20204 yr 9 hours ago, KJP said: Time for me to put on my old-man hat.... The year was 1986. The Browns were winning ugly. Week after week, they barely eeked out wins against the likes of the Buffalo Bills (4-12), Houston Oilers (5-11), and Pittsburgh Steelers (6-10). Their only quality win that season was against the Kansas City Chiefs who went on to go 10-6 that season. Yes, the Browns ended the Three Rivers jinx, winning there for the first time ever. But the Steelers stunk that season. They should have beaten the crap out of the Steelers, instead they escaped with a narrow 27-24 win. A month later, they needed overtime to beat the Steelers. After Week 14, when the Browns barely beat the lowly Bills, the Browns were 10-4. No one thought the Browns were going to beat the 9-5 Bengals in Cincinnati in Week 15. Earlier in the year, on Thursday Night Football, the Browns were smoked by the Bengals on national TV in Cleveland 30-13. Everyone expected Cincinnati to win and win big in taking over the lead in the AFC Central. On Dec. 14, 1986, the Browns went down to Cincinnati and physically dominated the Bengals, beating them 34-3. It was one of the most exhilirating games I can remember. THAT was when people started to believe. THAT was when the Browns songs started playing on the radio for the first time in six years (the Kardiac Kids season). THAT was when statues in downtown Cleveland started wearing Browns gear. The next game, the Browns destroyed the faded San Diego Chargers in Dan Fouts last game 47-17, ending the season with a magical 12-4 record. It was followed by the Browns-Jets playoff game when Bernie led the Browns back from 10 points down in the final 4 minutes to go to double overtime and win. And then there was The Drive game vs. Denver. I was at both, although I didn't see the overtimes in the Jets game, as my family, I and many others thought the Browns playoff woes were continuing. The Browns hadn't won a playoff game since 1969, losing the next six playoff games. But after 1986, we began to realize the Browns were legit Super Bowl contenders. They were a better team in 1987 in my opinion, with a better defense and a more polished offense. They beat up a few good teams that season, including the Steelers and Oilers. Where do I think the Browns are right now? It's hard to say in the context of the present. In hindsight, like 1986, you can more clearly see who and what a team is. But now, no one can say for sure except that the Browns are still learning how to win. Considering where the Browns (including many of its players who have been here a few years) have been, that's a difficult but wonderful lesson to learn. A team that believes in itself and believes it is going to find a way to win is what the Browns are trying to achieve, overcoming the "oh no, what's going to take this win away from us today" mentality of the past 20 years. When this Browns team gets that first Dec. 14, 1986-type victory over a good team, that is when we fickle fans will join the players and coaches in believing in this team. I was also at the the 1986 Jets playoff game and stayed for the whole game. Probably one of the best games I saw live. I was a junior in high school and my high school girlfriend and I scalped tickets and went.
December 5, 20204 yr Wow... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 5, 20204 yr On 12/1/2020 at 3:47 PM, mrnyc said: i am fully expecting the browns to go 2-3 at the end here and squeak into the playoffs, but that will still leave plenty of skeptics bummed or at least scratching their heads about the team. a good thing is it all will continue piss off stephen a. -- haha. I think they will go 3-2 or 4-1. They are currently better than the ravens. The ravens are a disaster. I’m actually more concerned about the giants than the ravens. If the Steelers have their playoff spot clinched by week 17, you can guarantee Ben won’t play. This weekend is the biggest game for many reasons
December 5, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, BelievelandD1 said: I think they will go 3-2 or 4-1. They are currently better than the ravens. The ravens are a disaster. I’m actually more concerned about the giants than the ravens. If the Steelers have their playoff spot clinched by week 17, you can guarantee Ben won’t play. This weekend is the biggest game for many reasons The Ravens remaining schedule is sooo easy though: DAL, JAX, CLE, NYG, CIN. I think the MNF Browns-Ravens game is gonna be huge.
December 7, 20204 yr On 11/24/2020 at 2:58 PM, bumsquare said: I’m just saying the record was almost exactly the same. I said previously they should beat Jacksonville, that would get them to at least .500. Obviously that 2014 team finished with 5 straight losses. They still need to prove they’re a good team rather than like the 8th best in the AFC. On 12/1/2020 at 3:40 PM, mrnyc said: ^ yes and that makes the attitude for some about this year's team worse. otoh, a big win always turns the tide. Edited December 7, 20204 yr by YABO713
December 7, 20204 yr Huge win today on the road against a VERY good TN team. This was such an odd game. World beaters in the first half then completely flat in the second half. Oh well 9-3 with a 97% chance to make the playoffs. I hope we start seeing a lot of people rocking their Browns gear around NE Ohio.
December 7, 20204 yr Amazing first half today. Almost totally blew the game in the second half but they made enough plays to survive. Going into this game I expected it to be a shootout, which it was but for not the reasons I expected. I thought it was going to be Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt and Derrick Henry would be gashing the other teams porous defenses. Instead it was the passing game that did the damage. I was glad to see that Baker Mayfield had a great game. Nine and three, baby! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 7, 20204 yr yeah really good timing to see baker have a great passing game in the first half. the higgins td throw was a particularly freakin amazing touch. well, they held on and beat a good team --- so if this doesn't get naysayers excited i dk what will lol.
December 10, 20204 yr Two prime time games in a row! Browns-Giants Week 15 matchup flexed to Sunday Night Football The Browns will be back in the primetime spotlight for a second consecutive week when they face the Giants on Dec. 20, at MetLife Stadium. The NFL on Wednesday announced the Browns-Giants Week 15 matchup, which was previously scheduled to kick off at 1 p.m., will now be played in the league's marquee, Sunday Night Football time slot. The game will now kick off at 8:20 p.m. and air nationally on NBC. More: https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-giants-week-15-matchup-flexed-to-sunday-night-football
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