November 22, 20168 yr in honor of the mexico city game, the browns helmet re-imagined in mexico-style: http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/11/21/13710032/local-artists-in-mexico-re-imagine-cleveland-browns-helmet
November 23, 20168 yr they look great -- the nfl should use these mex helmet designs every time they play down there: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18107528/new-designs-every-nfl-helmet-via-mexican-artists-2016-nfl
November 23, 20168 yr they look great -- the nfl should use these mex helmet designs every time they play down there: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18107528/new-designs-every-nfl-helmet-via-mexican-artists-2016-nfl Do you think they will compensate the artist when the Bears change their logo to a mechanical, jumping whale?
November 27, 20168 yr omg the browns and the red zone this half. im about to throw the remote at the tv lol.
November 27, 20168 yr Oh yeah, I forgot the Browns are playing today. I was watching a winning Cleveland team instead. And it's a good thing you didn't throw the remote at the TV. The Browns aren't worth a TV, a remote, or the frustration. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 3, 20168 yr r/jokes for the win! A guy walks into a bar wearing a Browns jersey and carrying a cat that also has a Browns jersey on with a little Browns helmet on his head, too. submitted 1 day ago by mercified_rahul The guy says to the bartender, "Can my cat and I watch the Browns game here? My TV at home is broke, and my cat and I always watch the game together." The bartender replies, "Normally, cats wouldn't be allowed in the bar, but it's not very busy in here right now, so you and the cat can have a seat at the end of the bar. But, if there's any trouble with you or the cat, I'll have to ask you to leave" The guy agrees, and he and his cat start watching the game. Pretty soon the Browns kick a field goal and the excited cat jumps up on the bar and walks down the bar and gives everyone a high five. The bartender says, "Hey, that's pretty cool! What does he do for a touchdown?" The guys answers, "I don't know, I've only had him for 2 years."
December 7, 20168 yr sad news - rashaan salaam suicide in colorado - he played his last games with the browns: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/chicago-bear-heisman-trophy-winner-rashaan-salaam-dead-42-article-1.2900840
December 8, 20168 yr Browns Considering Building New Practice Facility at Tuttle Park in Columbus. http://www.columbusunderground.com/browns-considering-building-new-practice-facility-at-tuttle-park-bw1
December 24, 20168 yr Cancel the parade! At least it raised some decent money for charity. Hopefully the Browns don't relinquish the first overall pick to the 49ers. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 25, 20168 yr Hopefully the Browns don't relinquish the first overall pick to the 49ers. Somehow the 49ers also won, keeping the Browns in prime position to snag the #1 pick.
December 25, 20168 yr Lots of other Christmas miracles! Including the Texans won, meaning the Titans don't get into the playoffs and their second round pick will have more value to the Browns. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 28, 20168 yr http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/12/28/Browns-staying-home.html On 2nd thought, Browns turn down potential Columbus camp. Very Stable Genius
January 3, 20178 yr With the #1 pick secured, who ya got? There are three potential QBs for that pick - Watson (Clemson), Kizer (ND), and Trubisky (UNC). I'm not in love with any of them, but each should get a close look. I have them in that order at the moment based on Watson's extremely high ceiling. Kizer probably has the most NFL ready arm, great size, and played his college ball in a Midwest climate. Trubisky is a local kid (Mentor) who has a solid all around skill set, but lower ceiling than the other two IMO. The two defensive lineman for consideration are Myles Garrett (Texas A&M) and Jonathan Allen ('Bama). These are the consensus top two prospects. I fear that both will need a 4-3 scheme to thrive as pass rushers. Both would probably be forced to play out of position in our scheme. This is why I hate the 3-4. It limits your prospects. Anyone who plays in a 3-4 can play in a 4-3, but not vice-versa. Leonard Fournette (RB - LSU) also deserves a very close look. He is probably every bit the prospect Zeke was, although he reminds me more of Adrian Peterson. Then there is the wild card of Jabril Peppers (ATH/SS - Mich). If you want a can't miss prospect who will play at a high level in the NFL over the next decade, he's your guy. But his position doesn't carry much draft value and he lacks ideal size. Anyone else to consider?
January 3, 20178 yr My goodness, after watching Sam Darnold last night. I want him. He's only a freshman, but I'm thinking build up premium talent and try to use assets to get him down the line. He was Philip Rivers body making Peyton Manning throws, and he has mobility. I digress though. For this draft, unless One of those QB's becomes a clear cut number 1 guy, then u can get some pretty bad @$$ people on defense like Garrett and hooker. Experts are making Ed reed comparisons for Hooker. I would also be interested in a RB, maybe Fournette. Of course I know little about football, so I would expect them to do something completely different. Since we are so far under the cap, u may wanna sign Collins and Pryor. Pryor, Coleman are a nice 1-2 tandem at WR. With Collins leading the D with Haden, a young front line of Garrett, ogbah and Shelton is promising.
January 3, 20178 yr Although having the #1 overall pick in this draft means the Browns can ensure getting the QB they want, I find it difficult to pass on Garrett or Allen. They're too good to pass up. And I'm just not impressed with the QBs. Watson is inaccurate, is too eager to run when plays break down, and reminds me way too much of RGIII. Even Cody Kessler played better than RGIII. To me, Kizer offers more NFL potential, and Trubisky is an unpolished gem. He really needs another year at UNC but the lack of QB talent in this draft will probably cause him to declare. So I think all of these QBs will be gone by the time the Browns pick again at #12. If one of them is there at #12, I suspect the Browns will grab him. Other possibilities at QB are Mahomes and Kaaya, but I wouldn't use a first-round pick on them. If the Browns don't go QB at #12 overall, I'd love to see them pick up one of the top free safeties. Yes, Peppers is a terrific multi-dimensional talent, but Hooker and Adams are better safeties. They can transform the Browns defense as free-roamers and disrupt offenses as much as Garrett could up front. Combine those two with Ogbah, Shelton, Collins, Kirksey, BB-C and a healthy Haden and the Browns should have a pretty good defense. In the 2nd round and later, want to see them add more talent at WR, OL, CB, LB, SS, TE -- in that order. That's, of course, after QB, edge rusher and/or free safety are selected with picks #1, #12 and #33. Browns have holes all over their roster, so they're just not going to address them all with this draft. They could address some missing pieces in free agency. But this draft is an excellent opportunity to really beef up the defense. I'd love to see the QB situation get resolved this off-season, but I just don't see it happening unless they use their #1 overall pick on a QB. And I'd hate to miss out on Garrett or Allen. BTW, I wrote this assessment of the Browns roster on Barking Hard: http://www.barkinghard.com/forums/showthread.php?206127-Browns-Foundation-Stones-amp-Up-n-Comers "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 3, 20178 yr BTW interesting interview today with Nathan Zegura... He pointed out last year the Browns had 2 picks within the top 65, yielding CoCo and Ogbah. This year, the Browns START OUT WITH 5 PICKS in the top 65, and both of their first-rounders start out higher than where their last year's pick 1st-rounder ended up (Coleman at 16). THIS is the year for the big talent infusion - Zegura points out. Last year was quantity, but this year is the quality draft. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 3, 20178 yr Who knows what these players have in common? Jadeveon Clowney Mario Williams Courtney Brown Dan Wilkinson Steve Emtman Russell Maryland
January 3, 20178 yr Any chance the Browns trade the #1 pick and drop back a couple picks+a low first or high second round pick? Seems like when you have as many holes as the Browns it makes more sense to get more picks. Unless they really fall in love with one of these QB's.
January 3, 20178 yr Who knows what these players have in common? Jadeveon Clowney Mario Williams Courtney Brown Dan Wilkinson Steve Emtman Russell Maryland 1st round picks taken before qb's?
January 3, 20178 yr Any chance the Browns trade the #1 pick and drop back a couple picks+a low first or high second round pick? Seems like when you have as many holes as the Browns it makes more sense to get more picks. Unless they really fall in love with one of these QB's. Trade with Tennessee and pick up thier other 1st round pick this year would be nice.
January 3, 20178 yr Although having the #1 overall pick in this draft means the Browns can ensure getting the QB they want, I find it difficult to pass on Garrett or Allen. They're too good to pass up. And I'm just not impressed with the QBs. Watson is inaccurate, is too eager to run when plays break down, and reminds me way too much of RGIII. Even Cody Kessler played better than RGIII. To me, Kizer offers more NFL potential, and Trubisky is an unpolished gem. He really needs another year at UNC but the lack of QB talent in this draft will probably cause him to declare. So I think all of these QBs will be gone by the time the Browns pick again at #12. If one of them is there at #12, I suspect the Browns will grab him. Other possibilities at QB are Mahomes and Kaaya, but I wouldn't use a first-round pick on them. If the Browns don't go QB at #12 overall, I'd love to see them pick up one of the top free safeties. Yes, Peppers is a terrific multi-dimensional talent, but Hooker and Adams are better safeties. They can transform the Browns defense as free-roamers and disrupt offenses as much as Garrett could up front. Combine those two with Ogbah, Shelton, Collins, Kirksey, BB-C and a healthy Haden and the Browns should have a pretty good defense. In the 2nd round and later, want to see them add more talent at WR, OL, CB, LB, SS, TE -- in that order. That's, of course, after QB, edge rusher and/or free safety are selected with picks #1, #12 and #33. Browns have holes all over their roster, so they're just not going to address them all with this draft. They could address some missing pieces in free agency. But this draft is an excellent opportunity to really beef up the defense. I'd love to see the QB situation get resolved this off-season, but I just don't see it happening unless they use their #1 overall pick on a QB. And I'd hate to miss out on Garrett or Allen. BTW, I wrote this assessment of the Browns roster on Barking Hard: http://www.barkinghard.com/forums/showthread.php?206127-Browns-Foundation-Stones-amp-Up-n-Comers I want Allen, and Hooker or Adams. I watched the Bowl game for T A&M and it looked like Garrett took plays off. Now Allen, was a force every single play. Also I think having Allen on the line will make our LB's and DB's instantly better, Since the opposing WR's / TE's wont have for ever to get open.
January 3, 20178 yr Who knows what these players have in common? Jadeveon Clowney Mario Williams Courtney Brown Dan Wilkinson Steve Emtman Russell Maryland 1st round picks taken before qb's? Defensive players selected first overall in the last 25 years. All D-lineman in college too. Not that impressive of a list when you look at their NFL accomplishments. Just saying. The NFL has this affinity for 'positional value', which we all know applies to QBs. But maybe it also applies to DLs
January 3, 20178 yr Garrett scared me watching him do nothing in that bowl game against K state. I could see him Joining that list.
January 3, 20178 yr Who knows what these players have in common? Jadeveon Clowney Mario Williams Courtney Brown Dan Wilkinson Steve Emtman Russell Maryland All were defensive linemen drafted first overall. And all were busts. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 3, 20178 yr Who knows what these players have in common? Jadeveon Clowney Mario Williams Courtney Brown Dan Wilkinson Steve Emtman Russell Maryland All were defensive linemen drafted first overall. And all were busts. Garrett's predraft hype reminds me of Clowney's but all hype seems more intense these days. There is no way to predict a "generational" player but they love using that word. IIRC Mario Williams was a surprise pick, everyone thought they would take Reggie Bush. But I still agree, history suggests Garrett is no sure thing.
January 3, 20178 yr Clowney is still good, but his injury history is what is proving to be his downfall. He was often hurt in college too. What you were in college (poor work ethic, injury prone, off-field issues) is what you will be in the NFL. If anything, the NFL and its money/stardom will amplify who you are -- good or bad. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 3, 20178 yr The Browns will also have Philly's 10th pick of the first round. If they go with someone else at #1, any chance at all Trubiski is still there at #10?
January 3, 20178 yr The Browns will also have Philly's 10th pick of the first round. If they go with someone else at #1, any chance at all Trubiski is still there at #10? The philly pick is 12, not sure Trubs will be there, every year the qb's get way overrated and drafted higher then they need to be.
January 4, 20178 yr Who knows what these players have in common? Jadeveon Clowney Mario Williams Courtney Brown Dan Wilkinson Steve Emtman Russell Maryland All were defensive linemen drafted first overall. And all were busts. Mario Williams was not a bust. What do these players have in common? Jeff George Tim Couch David Carr Jamarcus Russell Sam Bradford Jared Goff (probably) All were QB's drafted 1st overall and all were busts. And I was being nice by not including Alex Smith and Carson Palmer.
January 4, 20178 yr You're right. Mario Williams wasn't a bust. But I'm curious why you included Jared Goff after he's played in seven games. And of course you wouldn't include Alex Smith or Carson Palmer. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 4, 20178 yr There are some awful rumors swirling about Corey Coleman in the Flats the other night. Hope they are not true. If they are, he may not be playing here or anywhere anymore
January 4, 20178 yr Where is this being reported? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 4, 20178 yr You're right. Mario Williams wasn't a bust. But I'm curious why you included Jared Goff after he's played in seven games. And of course you wouldn't include Alex Smith or Carson Palmer. The 49ers gave up on Alex Smith after 5 years, that's why they drafted Kaepernick. Carson Palmer has won "1" playoff game in 12-13 years. I doubt those were the results expected with them being #1 overall picks. I know Palmer only winning one playoff game is not all on him because it takes a good team (not a good QB) to win in the NFL (just ask Andrew Luck), but I bring him up only because I know there are many out there that think good QB's are all you need to win. Goff is just a hunch, same hunch I had pre-draft.
January 4, 20178 yr Where is this being reported? Media doesn't have the story yet, investigation is ongoing. I had friends who were witnesses, cleveland is a small big city.
January 4, 20178 yr This is a second hand account and alleged, which is why I called it rumors, but he and two others allegedly beat another person to near death. The guy is currently in the ICU. Started in punch bowl and guy was dragged by the suspects into an area away from the bar and has a fractured skull and broken ear sums. Again, allegedly. The detectives showed up to my friends apartment yesterday for more questions. I received pictures via text of my friends clothes covered in blood. The detectives said cameras suggest it was Coleman, buti suppose innocent until proven guilty. Let's hope they have the wrong guy.
January 4, 20178 yr Who knows what these players have in common? Jadeveon Clowney Mario Williams Courtney Brown Dan Wilkinson Steve Emtman Russell Maryland All were defensive linemen drafted first overall. And all were busts. Mario Williams was not a bust. What do these players have in common? Jeff George Tim Couch David Carr Jamarcus Russell Sam Bradford Jared Goff (probably) All were QB's drafted 1st overall and all were busts. And I was being nice by not including Alex Smith and Carson Palmer. For sure, there are no locks. And I'm not necessarily advocating taking a QB or anyone else over the top two consensus prospects (Garrett and Allen). I was merely pointing out that EVERY defensive player selected first overall in the last 25 years, who all happened to be DL, were pretty much busts. You listed several QBs over that same time frame who were busts. But you didn't include Peyton Manning, Michael Vick, Eli Manning, Matthew Stafford, Cam Newton, and Andrew Luck. My point was that, while people often talk about over-inflated draft values for QBs, it appears the same (if not worse) over-valuing applies to DL. The league has this fascination with certain positions in the draft - QB, DL, OT, CB - probably in that order. It seems the risks of taking a QB are accepted, but anytime a DL is ranked that high he gets the "can't miss" tag.... which hasn't proven to be all that reliable.
January 4, 20178 yr Who knows what these players have in common? Jadeveon Clowney Mario Williams Courtney Brown Dan Wilkinson Steve Emtman Russell Maryland All were defensive linemen drafted first overall. And all were busts. Mario Williams was not a bust. What do these players have in common? Jeff George Tim Couch David Carr Jamarcus Russell Sam Bradford Jared Goff (probably) All were QB's drafted 1st overall and all were busts. And I was being nice by not including Alex Smith and Carson Palmer. For sure, there are no locks. And I'm not necessarily advocating taking a QB or anyone else over the top two consensus prospects (Garrett and Allen). I was merely pointing out that EVERY defensive player selected first overall in the last 25 years, who all happened to be DL, were pretty much busts. You listed several QBs over that same time frame who were busts. But you didn't include Peyton Manning, Michael Vick, Eli Manning, Matthew Stafford, Cam Newton, and Andrew Luck. My point was that, while people often talk about over-inflated draft values for QBs, it appears the same (if not worse) over-valuing applies to DL. The league has this fascination with certain positions in the draft - QB, DL, OT, CB - probably in that order. It seems the risks of taking a QB are accepted, but anytime a DL is ranked that high he gets the "can't miss" tag.... which hasn't proven to be all that reliable. I'm not completely against taking a QB high either if he's as close to a sure thing as possible, but there have been as many if not more bust QB's taken at #1 than good players. There haven't been many defensive players taken #1 overall in the past 30 years so the sample size is small but there have been some good one's like Bruce Smith and Mario Williams so we can't say that "all" defensive players taken #1 have been busts, and if the book isn't written on Goff yet, it's not on Clowney either. I also know there are many defensive players that teams wished they had taken #1 overall, many of them recently.
January 4, 20178 yr Draft has a 50/50 success rate. Success defined differently for different rounds. To me, first round success means being a pro-bowler at some point in your career. Second round means producing for at least twice as long as the average NFL career of three years. Third and later rounds means playing longer than the average NFL career. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 4, 20178 yr ^Certainly all true. And I purposefully limited it to the past 25 years because there were several good defensive players, including Bruce Smith, taken #1 overall prior to then. Maybe "bust" is a bit strong for Mario Williams, but he certainly has not lived up to the hype. He's a solid player, but no where near what he was advertised to be. My only point was that this assumption that the QBs are risky and the top rated DL are "locks" is flat out wrong. Taking a DL, no matter how high he's ranked, appears to be just as risky as taking a QB.
January 4, 20178 yr DePodesta is going to argue to take the #1 pick and trade it down since the Browns have the Eagles pick. Analytics scream out the Browns are so talent deficient they will need even more picks for the 2018 draft. It will be interesting to see who wins the power struggle because you have to believe Hue (and possibly Sashi) won't want to pass on a high draft pick again. Also, Hue should not have said the Browns will go not 1-15 again under his watch. In almost every "Moneyball" teardown, Year 2 is the bottom.
January 4, 20178 yr they just cant mess around anymore. Justin Gilbert and Manziel were messing around. Stop overthinking everything and get talented players. The disconnect in the previous regime was so apparent. Pettine says "the team im trying to run needs the best CB available so i have two shut down corners and can run alot of blitz schemes" over to Ray, who then uses his different set of criteria to judge a player and takes Gilbert. I mean, what a damn mess. Those three in the front office need to talk and agree. I actually do have more faith in these guys, believe it or not, because they seem more humble and mature than the previous guys.
January 4, 20178 yr I just think until we get good, the best bet is to take players who were big time recruits and then consistently performed at a high level in college. That seems to be what the Steelers and Ravens do year in and year out. Bad luck has plagued the Browns as much as poor decisions. They haven't "reached" on a whole lot of their picks over the years according to how those players were evaluated for the draft. You can minimize the chances of repeating past failures by taking safer picks and not swinging for the fences on players who "wow" scouts in the draft process with their measurables.
January 4, 20178 yr DePodesta is going to argue to take the #1 pick and trade it down since the Browns have the Eagles pick. Analytics scream out the Browns are so talent deficient they will need even more picks for the 2018 draft. It will be interesting to see who wins the power struggle because you have to believe Hue (and possibly Sashi) won't want to pass on a high draft pick again. Also, Hue should not have said the Browns will go not 1-15 again under his watch. In almost every "Moneyball" teardown, Year 2 is the bottom. I'd be okay with a trade down from #1 to 5-6, but no further than that. At this point they need some quality starters as opposed to roster fillers. I also hope they package all of those 4-7th round picks to get more early picks. With five picks in the top 65, I'm expecting 2-3 day one starters and 2-3 more players starting by year end out of this upcoming class.
January 4, 20178 yr DePodesta is going to argue to take the #1 pick and trade it down since the Browns have the Eagles pick. Analytics scream out the Browns are so talent deficient they will need even more picks for the 2018 draft. It will be interesting to see who wins the power struggle because you have to believe Hue (and possibly Sashi) won't want to pass on a high draft pick again. Also, Hue should not have said the Browns will go not 1-15 again under his watch. In almost every "Moneyball" teardown, Year 2 is the bottom. While I understand the philosophy, trading down always makes me uncomfortable, esp when you have the No. 1 pick (and lets face it, Myles Garrett is as close to a draft defensive can't miss as we've seen in a while). And since we already have Philly's No. 10 pick, I would stand pat and make the picks. That quantity over quality approach rarely seems to work out.
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