August 15, 20222 yr 8 minutes ago, X said: Yes, everything is a big, shadowy conspiracy that we can project our personal hang-ups onto. Shadowy? Ha, more like plain sight!
August 16, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, surfohio said: The NFL seems to really hate Browns fans. I blame the league for the team moving and for virtually all the expansion chaos. God hates Cleveland. It is why the only championship they have won in 70 years is in the sport they care least about.
August 16, 20222 yr 23 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: God hates Cleveland. It is why the only championship they have won in 70 years is in the sport they care least about. Yes God arguably does hate Cleveland. However it is a bit sad that the Browns hardly ever get credit for winning several NFL titles.
August 16, 20222 yr ^the time before the super bowl did not exist in the eyes of many. Heck, they only had about 1/3 of the teams at that time. So beyond the great players enshrined in Canton, most of what happened then is unknown by anyone outside of Cleveland
August 16, 20222 yr 48 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: God hates Cleveland. It is why the only championship they have won in 70 years is in the sport they care least about.
August 16, 20222 yr 19 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: ^the time before the super bowl did not exist in the eyes of many. Heck, they only had about 1/3 of the teams at that time. So beyond the great players enshrined in Canton, most of what happened then is unknown by anyone outside of Cleveland I'd bet that many people in Cleveland don't know about the NFL titles either. But pro football existed long before the Super Bowl. And the recent proliferation of teams shouldn't mean anything. Like, nobody is going to downplay the World Series winners from back then.
August 16, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, bumsquare said: That was nice but the cavs are a distant 3rd in fan loyalty in Cleveland behind the browns and Tribe. I remember back in the 90s when the cavs ranked behind Ohio state basketball and the Browns (and the Browns weren’t even around at that time) in fan passion
August 16, 20222 yr 13 hours ago, surfohio said: The NFL seems to really hate Browns fans. I blame the league for the team moving and for virtually all the expansion chaos. They blamed the modells for putting them in a bind and us for making them take action they did not want to take.
August 16, 20222 yr 8 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said: That was nice but the cavs are a distant 3rd in fan loyalty in Cleveland behind the browns and Tribe. I remember back in the 90s when the cavs ranked behind Ohio state basketball and the Browns (and the Browns weren’t even around at that time) in fan passion Yes can’t argue with that data
August 16, 20222 yr So two Browns centers are gone for the season already. Better put Ethan Pocic in bubble wrap until the opener! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 16, 20222 yr 3 hours ago, bumsquare said: Yes can’t argue with that data Not trying to take anything away from the Cavs. What happened in 2015 was awesome. Also, the 90s was a pretty dark time for Cleveland basketball and the NBA was down in general during that period too.
August 16, 20222 yr 10 hours ago, E Rocc said: They blamed the modells for putting them in a bind and us for making them take action they did not want to take. at one time it seemed the nfl hated modell, but even if true its no elephant memory -- they sure dont hate modell all that much these days: https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/former-ravens-owner-art-modell-pro-football-hall-of-fame-finalist
August 16, 20222 yr and speaking of elephants ... the one in the room is so far mayfield had a better debut on the field than watson. there i said it.
August 17, 20222 yr 14 hours ago, mrnyc said: and speaking of elephants ... the one in the room is so far mayfield had a better debut on the field than watson. there i said it. Pre. Season. The list of former Browns that have looked like All Pros in August is long and not very distinguished. Watson likely isn't focused yet if he suspects he won't be able to play for real this year. Sort of like Ted Washington's approach to training camp and pre season when he was here.
August 18, 20222 yr https://www.yahoo.com/sports/deshaun-watson-receives-largest-player-fine-in-nfl-history-suspension-increased-to-11-games-in-settlement-160130069.html Quote Deshaun Watson will serve an 11-game suspension and pay a $5 million fine for multiple violations of the league’s personal conduct policy in what amounts to one of the most significant penalties in NFL history, sources have confirmed to Yahoo Sports. The Cleveland Browns quarterback and the NFL have settled his disciplinary case prior to a final ruling by arbitrator Peter C. Harvey, following an agreement between the two sides on Thursday. The fine is the steepest ever levied against an NFL player. Very Stable Genius
August 18, 20222 yr Deshaun Watson will return Week 11 vs the Texans (coincidence?), to be played on December 4th, 2022. His last regular season game was January 3rd, 2021. That means he'll have gone *700 days* between game action in the regular season. Very Stable Genius
August 18, 20222 yr Thanks Deshaun. I believe I just heard the most gibberish press conference ever lol.
August 18, 20222 yr Well those conferences were quite the sh*tshows. We will certainly be hearing about those failures for a while. And then there's this gem: “I’ve always been able to stand on my innocence, and always said I never assaulted or disrespected anyone,” Watson said, “but at the same point I have to continue to push forward with my life and career. This freak's face should be posted at every legitimate massage parlor: "Predators Not Welcome." Game 12, the offensive line should find their moral compass. Edited August 18, 20222 yr by TBideon
August 18, 20222 yr 5 minutes ago, TBideon said: Well those conferences were quite the sh*tshows. We will certainly be hearing about those failures for a while. Synopsis: DW: I didn't do anything wrong, I'm just going through all this because I have to. I apologize for triggering sensitive people like ya'all. I'm moving forward as a person and a human being. Dee Haslam: Dashawn is stupid, but he will learn more about himself and what he did wrong through counseling [waves hand to signal henchmen to bring in duffelbags containing $1 mil USD for sexual harassment research]. Jimmy: Dashawn can throw a football real good and I'm Southern and folksy. So i'm just gonna sweet talk my way around all this sounding like Foghorn Leghorn and ya'all will still watch us on Sundays.
August 18, 20222 yr And now that Jimmy and Dee got this silly sexual predator issue out of the way, they must begin campaigning for a publicly financed multi-billion dollar "competitive" stadium. They, really, we, must improve the experiences for the ticket holders in Westlake and Moreland Hills, who have suffered mediocre accommodations since '99. Fortunately the city and county are flush with cash. Shouldn't be a problem at all. And it all evens out with all those directly adjacent restaurants and businesses benefiting from our 9 home games and 1 pre-season. It's not like we have winters where generally ticket holders, especially those with families, would rather drive home after a game.
August 22, 20222 yr On 8/18/2022 at 4:23 PM, X said: And that, folks, is why I want nothing to do with this entire team anymore. yet here you still are.
August 22, 20222 yr i think just looking at the first half the game was more enlightening for philly than the browns. three long grinding philly drives down the field for scores is very useful for them and maybe concerning re the browns defense. also the browns with short series scores doesnt tell us much about the o. the caveat to that is the one very long drive down the field at the end of the half to a field goal for the browns. so i still dk what to make of this team. they can score, but can they sustain drives against tough opponents? not sure yet. and the d being out there too long and getting ground down and then giving up td’s is still a puzzle too.
August 22, 20222 yr 32 minutes ago, mrnyc said: i think just looking at the first half the game was more enlightening for philly than the browns. three long grinding philly drives down the field for scores is very useful for them and maybe concerning re the browns defense. also the browns with short series scores doesnt tell us much about the o. the caveat to that is the one very long drive down the field at the end of the half to a field goal for the browns. so i still dk what to make of this team. they can score, but can they sustain drives against tough opponents? not sure yet. and the d being out there too long and getting ground down and then giving up td’s is still a puzzle too. Looking at the schedule, I think the Browns are an 8-9 or 9-8 team. Brissett is a 500 QB. Watson coming back week 11 is going to be rusty and the schedule at the end of the year is pretty challenging. I think he has 2 losses just getting up to speed and comfortable again after a long layoff. Also, who knows about injuries.
August 22, 20222 yr 40 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: Looking at the schedule, I think the Browns are an 8-9 or 9-8 team. Brissett is a 500 QB. Watson coming back week 11 is going to be rusty and the schedule at the end of the year is pretty challenging. I think he has 2 losses just getting up to speed and comfortable again after a long layoff. Also, who knows about injuries. yep i said a long time ago a .500 team and so far nothing is making me rethink that, granted its still early.
August 22, 20222 yr 14 minutes ago, mrnyc said: yep i said a long time ago a .500 team and so far nothing is making me rethink that, granted its still early. I can't really see better than 500 with the schedule. If things go off the rails early, it could get very ugly.
August 22, 20222 yr 6 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: And no first round picks for a few years. Lovely. I do not think the 1st round picks will bite them **if** Watson performs as he is billed in the future. It seems like 1 of every 3 first round pick is a big hit while others are either busts or marginal players. The bigger downside is that even if Watson is the All Pro he is billed to be, how long can they afford the rest of the key players they have, plus each passing year, Garrett and others get older and start breaking down more.
August 22, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, Brutus_buckeye said: I do not think the 1st round picks will bite them **if** Watson performs as he is billed in the future. It seems like 1 of every 3 first round pick is a big hit while others are either busts or marginal players. The bigger downside is that even if Watson is the All Pro he is billed to be, how long can they afford the rest of the key players they have, plus each passing year, Garrett and others get older and start breaking down more. dont forget — no way watson comes back and doesnt get hurt immediately after all this time out. unless they are in some serious playoff hunt, which i doubt, but maybe, he should have very limited play the last six games. i mean for that guy to get hurt in meaningless games would really be icing on the cake. otherwise, how they play him depends on whats happening by then of course and yeah its very likely that 2/3rds thru the season most teams will still be in some sort of as yet unknown logjam for the playoffs. assuming rust for week 11&12 and limited play no matter what, it might be the browns then really need watson for last four games. i think thats unlikely, but who knows and that would be great to be in a playoffs race this season.
August 22, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, mrnyc said: dont forget — no way watson comes back and doesnt get hurt immediately after all this time out. unless they are in some serious playoff hunt, which i doubt, but maybe, he should have very limited play the last six games. i mean for that guy to get hurt in meaningless games would really be icing on the cake. otherwise, how they play him depends on whats happening by then of course and yeah its very likely that 2/3rds thru the season most teams will still be in some sort of as yet unknown logjam for the playoffs. assuming rust for week 11&12 and limited play no matter what, it might be the browns then really need watson for last four games. i think thats unlikely, but who knows and that would be great to be in a playoffs race this season. That is a good point, if Cleveland is 3-8 when Watson comes back, do you play him and risk injury in a season going down the crapper? (Yes they could run the table and go 9-8 but what is the reality of that happening in the last 6 games with a QB who has not played in almost 2 years). Love Watson or hate Watson, he is the person the Browns are going to roll with the next 5 years for 240 million guaranteed. Knocking him out another year with a blown ACL or something would not be a great return on the investment for the Browns. Of course if something like that would happen, it is something that could only happen in Cleveland.
August 25, 20222 yr i dint agree with this blame the coach take, but the latest espn power rankings would seem to agree browns are not a playoff team — more like middle of the pack: 17. Cleveland Browns Post-draft ranking: 17 Who's on the hot seat: Coach Kevin Stefanski No Browns head coach has survived three full seasons since Jimmy Haslam bought the team in 2012; Stefanski is now entering his third season. And though he won NFL coach of the year in 2020 while guiding the Browns to the playoffs, last year's losing season was a massive disappointment. The pressure is now on Stefanski to get Cleveland back in the postseason despite enormous turmoil at quarterbacksurrounding Deshaun Watson. Although he spearheaded the Watson trade, Haslam has never demonstrated patience as an owner. If the Browns struggle under the circumstances, the heat could fall on Stefanski. -- Jake Trotter
August 25, 20222 yr another new low? i see vividseats has 500 level tix for the upcoming bears game as low as $4.
August 25, 20222 yr 10 hours ago, mrnyc said: i dint agree with this blame the coach take, but the latest espn power rankings would seem to agree browns are not a playoff team — more like middle of the pack: 17. Cleveland Browns Post-draft ranking: 17 Who's on the hot seat: Coach Kevin Stefanski No Browns head coach has survived three full seasons since Jimmy Haslam bought the team in 2012; Stefanski is now entering his third season. And though he won NFL coach of the year in 2020 while guiding the Browns to the playoffs, last year's losing season was a massive disappointment. The pressure is now on Stefanski to get Cleveland back in the postseason despite enormous turmoil at quarterbacksurrounding Deshaun Watson. Although he spearheaded the Watson trade, Haslam has never demonstrated patience as an owner. If the Browns struggle under the circumstances, the heat could fall on Stefanski. -- Jake Trotter I agree with the ranking, but I think Stefanski has been a good coach. Ultimately, your QB will take you to the playoffs and further. An average QB will get you to the playoffs. A poor QB will waste the season. Last year Cleveland had a poor QB. This is not a knock on Baker. I actually think he is a top half of the league QB when he is healthy and playing his best, but he was playing hurt all of last year and despite that the Browns went into week 17 with a chance to win the division and could have still made a wild card if they beat Pittsburgh. That is not on Stefanski. I think he has proven himself a good coach. At least as good as any coach in the modern history of the Browns. Although it was before the Haslem's, letting go of Stefanski and using him as a scapegoat for the season would almost be as bad as when Moddell fired Belicheck after 1995. He took a team to the playoffs the year before and had a loaded team in 1995 that would have probably won the division had it not been for the distraction of the team moving and he chose not to retain the coach when they moved to Baltimore. Not that I am disappointed that the Ravens did not get to enjoy a Belicheck type run, but to my point, running Stefanski out of town would almost feel that way.
August 25, 20222 yr aww shucks, this is kind of sweet -- it almost reminds me of c.c. sabathia leaving and his family all sad and his kids crying about it: Baker Mayfield’s wife Emily ‘emotional’ as couple leaves Cleveland By Jaclyn Hendricks August 25, 2022 11:53am Emily Mayfield, the wife of new Panthers quarterback Baker Mayfield, shared a heartfelt message Wednesday as she said farewell to Cleveland. more: https://nypost.com/2022/08/25/baker-mayfields-wife-emily-emotional-as-they-leave-cleveland/
August 28, 20222 yr well yeah not everyone is playing, but brissett is and if we are just looking at the first half for now its not good at a 3-21 halftime hole with the freakin nobody bears. so the browns had six o series chances, with 3 3-n-out punts, one missed field goal, one interception and one fg. the positives are an epic cady fg and winfrey grabbed a fumble. i know, i know, but meh. not good news here at all tonight.
August 28, 20222 yr well there it is browns 20 bears 21. i didnt see any of the second half, but it seems dobbs and rosen did well. i guess thats good the browns have some depth.
August 28, 20222 yr 20 minutes ago, mrnyc said: meanwhile mayfield was 9/15 and 2 td’s. Without a single Bills starter in there. You put him against the first team BIlls defense and the outcome would likely be much different.
August 28, 20222 yr Breaking news, Browns finalizing negotiations to sign “Punt God” Matt Azaria who was just released by the Bills.😀 yes a little humor but given the Browns it is at least plausible. Edited August 28, 20222 yr by Brutus_buckeye
August 28, 20222 yr 4 hours ago, Oldmanladyluck said: Schwartz is the new Greg Little. Schwartz is worse. Little would at least catch a few. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 29, 20222 yr 13 hours ago, Oldmanladyluck said: Schwartz is the new Greg Little. late greg little. first year little lead the browns in catches.
August 29, 20222 yr FWIW, I have absolutely no panic in me after the preseason. We didn't start our 5 best defensive players this weekend, and we didn't running a single offense to defense swing with more than 18 of our 22 starters at any single point. That matters. The only thing that I'm worried about at this point is the center. He's been AWFUL and cannot combo block to save his life. Brissett will keep us in games, but it will absolutely be up to our defense and special teams to supplement some points.
August 29, 20222 yr 18 minutes ago, YABO713 said: FWIW, I have absolutely no panic in me after the preseason. We didn't start our 5 best defensive players this weekend, and we didn't running a single offense to defense swing with more than 18 of our 22 starters at any single point. That matters. The only thing that I'm worried about at this point is the center. He's been AWFUL and cannot combo block to save his life. Brissett will keep us in games, but it will absolutely be up to our defense and special teams to supplement some points. If Brisset guides the team to 6-5 they make the playoffs If they start out 3-8 they obviously miss the playoffs. I think that can be said about every team with hopes of the playoffs this year. What is important to remember is that EVERY NFL team can end up that way. A couple of key injuries and a Patrick Mahomes led chiefs or Josh Allen led Bills turn into a last place team. People act like the Browns are down and out before the season starts but that is hardly the case. Yes, Super Bowl this year may be overly optimistic to think about in August, but playoffs should not be. This is not MLB where making the playoffs is reserved for a few select teams trying to compete at the beginning of the year. In the NFL, every team can have playoff aspirations come week 1. The talent divide is not as big as it may seem on the surface. Who would have predicted last August what Cincinnati did, or even that the Titans would win home field advantage. Heck it was not too long ago that Drew Brees, in a lame duck year, was starting for the Chargers before Phillip Rivers took over, and he led them to the best record in the AFC that year. Brissett may be no Brees, but that does not mean he cannot catch lightening in a bottle, especially with the Browns Defense.
August 30, 20222 yr current top 100 players ranked by espn: 9. Myles Garrett DE | Browns Age: 26 2021 rank: 11 Garrett has contended for NFL Defensive Player of the Year the past three seasons only to fade down the stretch. Yet this will be the most talented Browns defense he has played with during his career. And after topping the league in pass rush win rate (27.8%) last season, Garrett could finally establish himself as the league's top defender. -- Jake Trotter Signature stat: Since entering the league in 2017, Garrett ranks fourth in the NFL in pass rush win rate (25.6%) and fifth in sacks (58.5). Donald is the only other player in the top five of both categories over the same span. What they are saying: "He's been locked in more so than I've ever seen him. He's out early to everything. He's really taken the next step in our defensive line room, being a leader. ... The talent continues to get better. His time will come [to win NFL Defensive Player of the Year]. Hopefully, it's this year." -- Browns defensive line coach Chris Kiffin 2022 projection: 13 sacks, 54 tackles, 2 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery more: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34459811/nfl-rank-2022-predicting-top-100-players-stats-notes-quotes-league-best-including-patrick-mahomes-no-1
September 2, 20222 yr On 8/30/2022 at 7:37 AM, mrnyc said: 2022 projection: 13 sacks, 54 tackles, 2 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery Hoping for most of these in the opener against Carolina
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