9 minutes ago, stpats44113 said:

Brisset looked terrible, much like the first game. Outside of the long pass to Peoples Jones, he couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. Another wasted season. 8-9 is my prediction 

Brisset played well enough for us to win and that is all you could ask of him. Missed some passes but also made some good ones as well. The defense giving up that wide open pass in a critical time and allowing a team to just run in an entire drive is what is infuriating to me. I still want woods fired but not sure if it will happen. 

33 minutes ago, cle_guy90 said:

Brisset played well enough for us to win and that is all you could ask of him. Missed some passes but also made some good ones as well. The defense giving up that wide open pass in a critical time and allowing a team to just run in an entire drive is what is infuriating to me. I still want woods fired but not sure if it will happen. 

I agree. It's time for Woods to go. 

3 hours ago, cle_guy90 said:

Brisset played well enough for us to win and that is all you could ask of him. Missed some passes but also made some good ones as well. The defense giving up that wide open pass in a critical time and allowing a team to just run in an entire drive is what is infuriating to me. I still want woods fired but not sure if it will happen. 

I don’t disagree on Woods. However, I thought Brisset looked terrible, like the backup he is in his career. I was very impressed with him in games two and three. Amari Cooper was open on several plays yet he chose to throw to a receiver who had no chance of actually catching the ball. I do blame the defense and Joe Woods for this loss.

11 hours ago, stpats44113 said:

I don’t disagree on Woods. However, I thought Brisset looked terrible, like the backup he is in his career. I was very impressed with him in games two and three. Amari Cooper was open on several plays yet he chose to throw to a receiver who had no chance of actually catching the ball. I do blame the defense and Joe Woods for this loss.

 

Brisset is inconsistent and that's why he's a journeyman.

 

They were missing three defensive lineman, including two first overall picks.   Once Atlanta realized they could run to the outside, I'm not sure what Woods could have done.

Edited October 3, 20222 yr by E Rocc

I blame Stefanski. While the defense wasn't great, holding a team to 23 points isn't awful. The Browns were inside the 5 yard line three times and scored 10 points. Their only TD from inside the 5 came on fourth down. With Chubb, Hunt and one of the best QB-sneak-QBs in Brissett, there's no excuse for not using your best weapons down there except trying to be too clever. Sometimes all you need is brute force.

Stefanski's play-calling is terrible.  You have the best set of guards in the league, probably the best 1-2 punch at RB, and you're running end arounds to a TE?  Opening drive, you march right down the field, then cute inside the 10 and decide it's worth the risk to walk away with no points.  How deflating is that, especially when your defense knows they don't have Garrett or Clowney?  EDIT - you hold an opposing QB to 7 of 19 and lose??  come on.

 

Browns have played four bad teams, 2-2.  One possession games in all of them (minus the final TD against the Steelers).  Really probably needed to come out 3-1 after the first four.

 

Next week it's the Chargers and Herbert.  Then the Pats and whoever they heck they can find to play QB.  Then it starts a rough stretch of @ Baltimore, home against Cincinnati, @ Miami, @ Buffalo.  Woof.

Edited October 3, 20222 yr by DarkandStormy

i assume everyone wears their seatbelts, but just a reminder wearing them saved myles garrett from major injuries and probably saved his life:

 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34707900/cleveland-browns-star-myles-garrett-expected-impacted-sprained-shoulder-2-4-weeks-source-says

4 hours ago, KJP said:

I blame Stefanski. While the defense wasn't great, holding a team to 23 points isn't awful. The Browns were inside the 5 yard line three times and scored 10 points. Their only TD from inside the 5 came on fourth down. With Chubb, Hunt and one of the best QB-sneak-QBs in Brissett, there's no excuse for not using your best weapons down there except trying to be too clever. Sometimes all you need is brute force.

On the flip side, I think Stefanski gets a bit of a raw deal. Look at Carolina and how horrible Baker is doing there. Not that he was excellent in Cleveland, but with Stefanski, he seemed to manage Baker in a way to allow him to excel to above his potential. I think Stefanski should be given credit for this. I think he is doing quite well with Brissett too. Brissett is serviceable but certainly not a franchise QB. I think he is overachieving with the Browns thus far. 

3 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

On the flip side, I think Stefanski gets a bit of a raw deal. Look at Carolina and how horrible Baker is doing there. Not that he was excellent in Cleveland, but with Stefanski, he seemed to manage Baker in a way to allow him to excel to above his potential. I think Stefanski should be given credit for this. I think he is doing quite well with Brissett too. Brissett is serviceable but certainly not a franchise QB. I think he is overachieving with the Browns thus far. 

 

3 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

On the flip side, I think Stefanski gets a bit of a raw deal. Look at Carolina and how horrible Baker is doing there. Not that he was excellent in Cleveland, but with Stefanski, he seemed to manage Baker in a way to allow him to excel to above his potential. I think Stefanski should be given credit for this. I think he is doing quite well with Brissett too. Brissett is serviceable but certainly not a franchise QB. I think he is overachieving with the Browns thus far. 

I would agree. He’s got more out of Brissett than I expected and he put Baker in situations to exceed. 

14 hours ago, stpats44113 said:

 

I would agree. He’s got more out of Brissett than I expected and he put Baker in situations to exceed. 

Also, look at where the Browns stand compared to their peers. Even at 2-2, the losses are both last second losses (Jets loss was just a fluke)and a last second loss to Falcons on a winnable game. They beat the Steelers by 2 scores.  Baltimore and Cincinnati have similar pedigrees.

 

I do feel that while very competitive, the Browns are maybe a step behind Cincinnati, Buffalo, Kansas City, Chargers at this point. The main reason is that the offense on those teams is poised to have more quick strike ability when they absolutely need a score. I do not think the Browns are built this way with a more run centric offense and that is what separates them from an elite team to just a contender. They remind me of the Titans from last year. Very good team and can win the division but not super dynamic. Now that may change once Watson comes back, but given his layoff he is going to need a few weeks to shake off the rust and the question is whether there is enough meaningful time left in the season at that point to allow him to do so. 

Where is @YABO713?   It's Tuesday already!  

2 hours ago, Cleburger said:

Where is @YABO713?   It's Tuesday already!  

 

Ugh - I was avoiding it haha. 

 

Defense

- Without a pass rush, I would've liked to see Joe Woods play more press man on the corners and send 5 with a QB spy on Mariotta. I think we played WAYYYY too much zone. But, to his defense, if you want to force Mariota to pass and not scramble, I get why he'd play zone to keep our defenses eyes upfield. 

- With that being said, our run defense was atrocious. With the exception of JOK, we don't have a defender who can consistently shed blocks B gap to B gap. We have to incorporate more run blitz packages into the mix (though maybe not this week against LAC). 

- The miscommunications in the secondary are unacceptable - and the buck stops with Woods. Having said that - I'm disappointed with John Johnson. He's the elder statesmen of the group, and he has to make sure our secondary has the same calls prior to the snap, which wasn't the case on at least 5 plays - fortunately only 2 of them resulted in big gains. 

 

Offense

- I know we all have our gripes with Stefanski not taking points and throwing in short yardage, and it's deserved to an extent. However, when you have a philosophy and a game plan - you shouldn't waiver, especially when you have a mediocre QB playing at such an elevated level that he's 7th in the league in QBR and a dynamic back. On the 4th and short, Brissett had Chubb wide open for 6, but he locked onto the corner of the endzone. 

- We are very good at running the ball, especially in zone schemes. But let me address this: STOP SCREAMING "RUN THE BALL" IN EVERY SITUATION. It's the Browns fans gut reaction. A HUGE part of the reason we run the ball so effectively is because we're not one dimensional or predictable in traditional running situations. Learn to live with it. It's served us well. 

- Brissett CANNOT take that sack at the end of the game. We had Cade York in a weather controlled stadium, gotta give him a shot to tie it. 

 

2-2 isn't good, especially given the fashion in which we lost. BUT, the Browns are first in the division, and if they can get to Week 7 at 3-3, we're in decent shape to have a shot at the division by the time Watson can play. Keep things in perspective. 

1 hour ago, YABO713 said:

But let me address this: STOP SCREAMING "RUN THE BALL" IN EVERY SITUATION.

The Falcons give up 5 yards per carry this season. Nick Chubb got 19 carries and didnt sniff the field on that last drive. Whatever you want to tell yourself about Stefanski's playcalling/gameplan, that is not acceptable. So this was going into hurry up on the first drive when we had it 1st and goal from the two or whatever. Absolutely boneheaded. Then you go for it on fourth and get completely blown up. Its maddening. And he called a reverse for... David Njoku? Take that section of the playbook and incinerate it. 

1 hour ago, Ineffable_Matt said:

The Falcons give up 5 yards per carry this season. Nick Chubb got 19 carries and didnt sniff the field on that last drive. Whatever you want to tell yourself about Stefanski's playcalling/gameplan, that is not acceptable. So this was going into hurry up on the first drive when we had it 1st and goal from the two or whatever. Absolutely boneheaded. Then you go for it on fourth and get completely blown up. Its maddening. And he called a reverse for... David Njoku? Take that section of the playbook and incinerate it. 

 

It's not what I tell myself...

 

Brissett is a historically below average QB who now holds the 7th best QBR in the league. We're the highest graded offense through 4 weeks. We are 2nd in the league in rush attempts and yards. We're 21st in the league in pass attempts. We're 4th in the league in YPG and 6th in PPG. All with a bad QB and 4 starting OL. 

 

The work it entails to get those^ numbers in the NFL with Aaron Rodgers or Pat Mahomes is TOUGH, let alone Jacoby Brissett. You want to criticize singular play calls, go for it. There's certainly room for improvement. But it's PEAK Browns fan to act like the playcalling is the issue, when nearly every quantifiable metric suggests otherwise. 

 

Our defense in the 4th quarter is a sieve - and I think that also puts our offense in some crappy spots. 

15 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

It's not what I tell myself...

 

Brissett is a historically below average QB who now holds the 7th best QBR in the league. We're the highest graded offense through 4 weeks. We are 2nd in the league in rush attempts and yards. We're 21st in the league in pass attempts. We're 4th in the league in YPG and 6th in PPG. All with a bad QB and 4 starting OL. 

 

The work it entails to get those^ numbers in the NFL with Aaron Rodgers or Pat Mahomes is TOUGH, let alone Jacoby Brissett. You want to criticize singular play calls, go for it. There's certainly room for improvement. But it's PEAK Browns fan to act like the playcalling is the issue, when nearly every quantifiable metric suggests otherwise. 

 

Our defense in the 4th quarter is a sieve - and I think that also puts our offense in some crappy spots. 

It’s not just singular play calls, though the ones I highlighted were particularly atrocious. 
 

The stats you mention are, for the most part, in spite of Brissett. I think we can all agree on that. The issue is that when you need to make plays, why put it in his hands as opposed to your best player? You know, the one who is doing things at the position that haven’t been done since Jim Brown. 
 

I know you can’t run the ball every play (unless you’re the Falcons, apparently, since that is precisely what they did to us with trash running backs), but everyone with half a brain says that for the Browns to be successful until Watson gets back you have to get a lead and run the ball.

 

Stefanski elected to get no points on the opening drive and keep our best player on the sideline when we needed him the most. 
 

We should be using our running game like the Steelers did to us with Bettis: run it and run it and run it, and in the fourth quarter their D is too gassed to put up a fight.

Just to clarify, I think overall Stefanski does a pretty good job calling plays. But then he outthinks himself, like Wallace Shawn in the Princess Bride and we end up crapping the bed.

2 minutes ago, Ineffable_Matt said:

We should be using our running game like the Steelers did to us with Bettis: run it and run it and run it, and in the fourth quarter their D is too gassed to put up a fight.

 

Only one team has done that in the modern NFL: the Titans, and it's a MASSIVE reason why they haven't been able to get over the hump, despite some great talent. 

 

The Pats killed the Bills last year early in the season, only passing the ball 3x. Then when the Bills put 7 in the box in the playoffs, it was a massacre. 

3 minutes ago, Ineffable_Matt said:

It’s not just singular play calls, though the ones I highlighted were particularly atrocious. 
 

The stats you mention are, for the most part, in spite of Brissett. I think we can all agree on that. The issue is that when you need to make plays, why put it in his hands as opposed to your best player? You know, the one who is doing things at the position that haven’t been done since Jim Brown. 
 

I know you can’t run the ball every play (unless you’re the Falcons, apparently, since that is precisely what they did to us with trash running backs), but everyone with half a brain says that for the Browns to be successful until Watson gets back you have to get a lead and run the ball.

 

Stefanski elected to get no points on the opening drive and keep our best player on the sideline when we needed him the most. 
 

We should be using our running game like the Steelers did to us with Bettis: run it and run it and run it, and in the fourth quarter their D is too gassed to put up a fight.

 

You have to be able to count on your defense to hold an offense led by Marcus Mariota when they're pinned back at their own 4 yard line. That the Falcons marched 84 yards down the field is a weird thing to hang on Stefanski. 

 

And the final drive we had the 2 minute warning and 0 timeouts. That's not a situation you run the ball.

@Luke_SThe interception to end the game happened with 55 seconds left, after Brissett took a god awful sack to put us at *checks notes*  our 46 yard line. We were well within Cade York range before we went backwards 13 yards. That being said, Joe Woods is doing an abysmal job, and the defense is incredibly disappointing this season. Definitely not holding up their end of the bargain.
 

@YABO713As for running not being a winning formula, I said we need to rely on Chubb until Watson comes back. Never said we would win the Super Bowl that way. You have to get to the playoffs to get boat raced by Buffalo, and this team is a lucky kick and horrible coaching decisions by Pittsburgh (and not having to go against TJ Watt) from being 0-4.

Edited October 4, 20222 yr by Ineffable_Matt

34 minutes ago, Ineffable_Matt said:

this team is a lucky kick and horrible coaching decisions by Pittsburgh (and not having to go against TJ Watt) from being 0-4.

 

This team is a bad onside kick bounce and a car accident away from being 4-0. 

15 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

This team is a bad onside kick bounce and a car accident away from being 4-0. 

I see what you did there. I didn’t know that pre-car accident Garrett could play three of the four D line positions simultaneously. 

3 minutes ago, Ineffable_Matt said:

I see what you did there. I didn’t know that pre-car accident Garrett could play three of the four D line positions simultaneously. 

He occupies 2 blockers and often 2 gaps on 70%+ of snaps. 

 

My point is, we can deal with hypos all we want. The stats before us represent an offense that's over performing at the moment. We're 2-2, and it's really tough to say that either of the losses are due to the offense and/or play calling more than the other phases of the game. 

5 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

He occupies 2 blockers and often 2 gaps on 70%+ of snaps. 

 

My point is, we can deal with hypos all we want. The stats before us represent an offense that's over performing at the moment. We're 2-2, and it's really tough to say that either of the losses are due to the offense and/or play calling more than the other phases of the game. 

The defense is clearly the weak link, no argument here. That being said, your over performing quarterback threw the two picks that sealed the losses. Atlanta, playing with backup running backs, ran the ball 25 times in the second half of the game (and they were tied or losing for a majority of that second half). We ran the ball 35 times all game, including 5 for Brissett and the awesome Njoku reverse.

 

If you honestly feel that out second half offensive game plan was 100% on point, then okay I guess. I think we should have run more; you specifically addressed, in all caps, that people who think we should have run more are wrong. 

 

Again, the defense is absolutely killing this team and is the main reason we are where we are. But the offense, for all of its over performing, is making baffling decisions at crucial times. Can you defend going hurry up on the first possession for no reason?
 

1 hour ago, Ineffable_Matt said:

The defense is clearly the weak link, no argument here. That being said, your over performing quarterback threw the two picks that sealed the losses. Atlanta, playing with backup running backs, ran the ball 25 times in the second half of the game (and they were tied or losing for a majority of that second half). We ran the ball 35 times all game, including 5 for Brissett and the awesome Njoku reverse.

 

If you honestly feel that out second half offensive game plan was 100% on point, then okay I guess. I think we should have run more; you specifically addressed, in all caps, that people who think we should have run more are wrong. 

 

Again, the defense is absolutely killing this team and is the main reason we are where we are. But the offense, for all of its over performing, is making baffling decisions at crucial times. Can you defend going hurry up on the first possession for no reason?
 

A point I think I left off my summary - unfairly - is that Joe Woods DID make adjustments to Atlanta pounding the rock on us. He put 7-8 in the box, went with a bear front at times, and our guys still got their asses kicked. Sometimes you just get worked man on man. That was at least a part of the problem here.

Well, at least I know how all our losses will occur. I thought Brissett was supposed to protect the ball.

 

But, hey, he was the 7th ranked passer in the league, so what do I know.

 

ETA: Fire Joe Woods

Edited October 9, 20222 yr by Ineffable_Matt

The Browns are pathetic.

even the midges couldn’t help …

3 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

even the midges couldn’t help …

If only Joba Chamberlain was quarterbacking the Chargers.

The Chargers were absolutely begging the Browns to win today lol. 

17 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said:

The Browns are pathetic.

Last season, it was questioned about the play calling and personnel on the field in crucial situations.  More of the same this season.  Obviously, the coaching staff is repeating the same mistakes this season and it is costing the Browns games.  The highly touted defense has been a disaster.  High-priced free agents, players signed for massive contract extensions and high draft picks all have not lived up to expectations.  The post-game comments made by Stefanski stating that the coaches have make better decisions, put the team into better positions and manage the game better are getting really old really fast.  This team could have been very easily been 5-0.  York who was the AFC special teams player of the week and was a fourth round selection cannot even be counted to make an extra point.  If he missed that last-second game-winning kick in the first game, they could be 1-4.  By the way, I am tiring of hearing him making practice kicks without any pressure from 60 to 70 yards away.

And that, my friends is why the Browns defense sucks. The Browns got a stopgap LB in Deion Jones to makeup for the loss of Anthony Walker. But what about the interior DL?? Time to pay Ndamukong Suh?

 

 

The offense is solid.  We can all question specific play calls (especially in hindsight), but the offense has been much better than expected up to this point in the season.

 

Special teams have been weak, but not terrible.  People trashing a rookie kicker for missing one (important) extra point and one bad kicking day where he missed his first two field goals of the season are grasping for someone to blame.  Cade York will bounce back and he has the potential to be a great kicker for the Browns organization.

 

Defense is the problem.  The pass defense has been terrible.  The interior run defense is abysmal.  The lack of effort shown by some of our "star" edge defenders is disappointing.  The highly touted pass rush has been missing in action in many games.  The big plays are crushing the Browns.

 

In summary, you couldn't have asked for or expected more out of this Browns offense.  If the defense was even average the Browns would be at least 4-1.

30 minutes ago, Hootenany said:

The offense is solid.  We can all question specific play calls (especially in hindsight), but the offense has been much better than expected up to this point in the season.

 

Special teams have been weak, but not terrible.  People trashing a rookie kicker for missing one (important) extra point and one bad kicking day where he missed his first two field goals of the season are grasping for someone to blame.  Cade York will bounce back and he has the potential to be a great kicker for the Browns organization.

 

Defense is the problem.  The pass defense has been terrible.  The interior run defense is abysmal.  The lack of effort shown by some of our "star" edge defenders is disappointing.  The highly touted pass rush has been missing in action in many games.  The big plays are crushing the Browns.

 

In summary, you couldn't have asked for or expected more out of this Browns offense.  If the defense was even average the Browns would be at least 4-1.

Brissett has shown why he is a journeyman backup quarterback.  Yes, he can deliver in the clutch at times, but more often he cannot.  Stefanski knows what he has in Brissett and should tailor the late-game offense to work off of the strengths of the offense, yet he has not.  The bad management falls directly on Stefanski.  There have been calls for him to give up play-calling duties, yet he refuses to do so.  It appears that in clutch situations where he has been in those very same positions previously, calls that he has made seem to elude his thinking now.  That is inexcusable.

19 minutes ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

Brissett has shown why he is a journeyman backup quarterback.  Yes, he can deliver in the clutch at times, but more often he cannot.  Stefanski knows what he has in Brissett and should tailor the late-game offense to work off of the strengths of the offense, yet he has not.  The bad management falls directly on Stefanski.  There have been calls for him to give up play-calling duties, yet he refuses to do so.  It appears that in clutch situations where he has been in those very same positions previously, calls that he has made seem to elude his thinking now.  That is inexcusable.

What specifically are we complaining about here?  His tendency to take significant 4th down risks even in his own territory?  Him calling a pass play on 3rd and 7 at the 9 yard line with 3 minutes left in the game (which resulted in an interception)?  I honestly don't understand.  It just feels like people are defaulting to "bad decision making" because the team is losing.

Our poor performance in the red zone, specifically inside the 5, is what is bothering me. Stefanski keeps saying "That loss was on me." If that keeps happening, isn't he writing his own epitaph?

Sounds about right

 

 

Make this move, AB....

 

 

6 hours ago, Hootenany said:

What specifically are we complaining about here?  His tendency to take significant 4th down risks even in his own territory?  Him calling a pass play on 3rd and 7 at the 9 yard line with 3 minutes left in the game (which resulted in an interception)?  I honestly don't understand.  It just feels like people are defaulting to "bad decision making" because the team is losing.

Stefanski should have relayed to Brissett is if a play isn't there, don't force it.  Throw the ball away and not try the heroics.  By the 4th quarter, at least the putrid defense had settled down, it may have been able to hold the lead at the end of the game.  A chip-shot field goal puts them ahead (granted, nothing is certain).  In the Falcons game, they had questionable calls inside the 10 yard line and ended up going for it on 4th down and came up with nothing.  Three points early in the game may seem trivial, but in the end it was the margin of defeat.  Not having the best offensive play-maker on the field at a key time when an injury wasn't a factor falls directly on the coach.  In the Jets game, not conveying to the offense to go down short of the goal line falls on him as well, especially since nearly the same scenario presented itself 1 1/2 seasons ago when he did call for that to happen is on the coach.

 

As for the "bad decision making", Stefanski has already come out and admitted it in varying forms.  The Chargers head coach got away with it on Sunday, but if that strange call to go for it in their own territory blew up in his face, Chargers fans would be ripping on him just as badly.

Edited October 10, 20222 yr by LifeLongClevelander

1 hour ago, KJP said:

Sounds about right

 

 

 

 

 

i was wondering about the rankings. yep its pretty much was we guessed. and its the mark of a .500 team at best. 

 

nothing really can be said except if they can fill these holes via free agency since we dont have any draft picks they are still young and can maybe get in the post season next year.

 

as for this season, they are entertaining, if frustrating, so i will continue to watch tho.

 

for example, cady hells yeah. i’ll cut him some slack for sunday — that boy has an almost unbelieveable boomin leg and big ups. 

9 hours ago, Hootenany said:

Defense is the problem. 

 

Not saying you're incorrect, but we just saw that defense held the Chargers on 4th down and handed over a very winnable scenario to the Browns offense. 

 

If the Browns defense was consistently terrible that would be one thing. It's really hard to understand the inconsistency with not just the D, but on both sides of the ball this season. 

16 hours ago, mrnyc said:

 

i was wondering about the rankings. yep its pretty much was we guessed. and its the mark of a .500 team at best. 

.500 could win the AFC north this year.  

1 hour ago, Cleburger said:

.500 could win the AFC north this year.  

This isn't entirely off the mark, absent it's impossibility. But I think 9-8 or 10-7 will get it done this year. 

 

I'll add my thoughts later. I legitimately had my scout friend send me game film yesterday lol, I was worked up to say the least. 

14 hours ago, surfohio said:

 

Not saying you're incorrect, but we just saw that defense held the Chargers on 4th down and handed over a very winnable scenario to the Browns offense. 

 

If the Browns defense was consistently terrible that would be one thing. It's really hard to understand the inconsistency with not just the D, but on both sides of the ball this season. 

Football is a lot like climate change.  One nice day of weather doesn't change the climate change trend much like one good series doesn't change the overall performance of the team.

How about performance over five games?

 

 

On 10/11/2022 at 7:34 AM, Hootenany said:

Football is a lot like climate change.  One nice day of weather doesn't change the climate change trend much like one good series doesn't change the overall performance of the team.

 

FYI I totally resisted the strong temptation of posting Al Gore throwing a football. 

5 minutes ago, KJP said:

How about performance over five games?

 

 

 

Does anyone have any coherent theories as to why the Defense is ranked around #7 for Q1-3 and dead last in Q4? 

31 minutes ago, surfohio said:

 

Does anyone have any coherent theories as to why the Defense is ranked around #7 for Q1-3 and dead last in Q4? 

I still feel like Myles Garrett hasn't been the same since COVID.  He always seems gassed.  

Also the offense seems to always go conservative and sputter in Q4, leaving the defense on the field more.  

1 hour ago, Cleburger said:

I still feel like Myles Garrett hasn't been the same since COVID.  He always seems gassed.  

Also the offense seems to always go conservative and sputter in Q4, leaving the defense on the field more.  

 

Not sure if that's been talked about but yep, I too had noticed Garrett looking like he's about to throw up. Your Q4 theory is indeed an interesting one that I've not heard. 

Anthony Schwartz needs to participate in a strength and conditioning program

 

 

47 minutes ago, KJP said:

Anthony Schwartz needs to participate in a strength and conditioning program

 

 

 

He just needs to get his eyes downfield after the catch lol. Dude just ran into an immovable part of the equipment. 

You mean, after the "catch."

 

Playoff teams don't squander their fourth-quarter leads this badly