ten - nil

 

and then ...

So here we have Baker, now 2-1 on the Rams, having a solid end to his and their bad season. Then we see him step in front of the reporter to make sure those idiots didn't hurt her while they were arguing/fighting.

 

The polar opposite of the unrepentant criminal the Browns hired. 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-suspends-broncos-randy-gregory-rams-oday-aboushi-after-postgame-fight-following-blowout-rams-win-210015098.html

 

 

 

Edited December 26, 20222 yr by TBideon

4 minutes ago, TBideon said:

So here we have Baker, now 2-1 on the Rams, having a solid end to his and their bad season. Then we see him step in front of the reporter to make sure those idiots didn't hurt her while they were arguing/fighting.

 

The polar opposite of the unrepentant criminal the Browns hired. 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-suspends-broncos-randy-gregory-rams-oday-aboushi-after-postgame-fight-following-blowout-rams-win-210015098.html

 

 

 

Nobody cares about Baker.

45 minutes ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

Nobody cares about Baker.

 

Definitely not true, especially after last night's game.  But that's a topic for another thread.  This thread is for the Browns, which Baker is no longer a part of.

1 hour ago, TBideon said:

So here we have Baker, now 2-1 on the Rams, having a solid end to his and their bad season. Then we see him step in front of the reporter to make sure those idiots didn't hurt her while they were arguing/fighting.

 

The polar opposite of the unrepentant criminal the Browns hired. 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-suspends-broncos-randy-gregory-rams-oday-aboushi-after-postgame-fight-following-blowout-rams-win-210015098.html

1 hour ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

Nobody cares about Baker.

 

35 minutes ago, X said:

Definitely not true, especially after last night's game.  But that's a topic for another thread.  This thread is for the Browns, which Baker is no longer a part of.

 

Actually during last night's game, the NBC crew was discussing how McVay was able to make things work based upon what Mayfield had to offer (as compared to what Denver's now-fired head coach did with Russell Wilson).  They also said that under the circumstances on how he arrived at the Rams, Mayfield's third game (Sunday night) would start to reflect his learning the playbook and teammates.  Compare this with the Browns.  Game after game, Stefanski has made questionable play calls after questionable play calls.  There have been questions this season (as Mayfield himself brought up last season) about having certain players not on the field when it was crunch time.  Jeff Schudel of the News Herald called the deep route ran by People-Jones on 4th and 2 that Watson overthrew was a bonehead call that was a questionable one even in good weather conditions.  Schudel, everyone in the press box and obviously the Saints knew exactly the play that was going to be called with Hunt getting the ball on a 3rd and 1.  He was stopped for a loss.  A few games back, he had Brissett throw the 4th down pass that went incomplete.  There was the awful clock management in the Jets game.  In Watson's four games back, the Browns offense scored three touchdowns.  Based upon the NBC commentators's comments, Watson should be in tune with the offense.  He has played 4 games and practiced with the team for another month.

 

Stefanski has been the head coach here for nearly 3 seasons.  He was an assistant with Minnesota for 14 seasons.  Between his time with the Browns and Vikings, he knows what cold/bad weather games can be like.  For 2 full seasons at Minnesota, the Vikings played in an open-air stadium while Stefanski was an assistant, plus there are the games the Vikings played at Green Bay and Chicago.  Didn't that give him a cold-weather game perspective and how the game plan should be designed for such games? 

 

Finally, what is going on with the team in general?  Why did Stefanski bench Garrett to start the Saints' game?  Overall team discipline is severely lacking.  There is something seriously out-of-alignment with this team.  The excuses for last year are not on the team this year, yet at best the record is going to be no better than last year.

Browns undefeated in 2023!

19 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Browns undefeated in 2023!

 

 

came here to say that via courtesy of the big apple browns backers 😂

 

 

Hope not.

 

 

if there is one thing we can rest assured of … this clown is never right!  😂

 

 

https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/35391978

On 12/26/2022 at 9:01 PM, LifeLongClevelander said:

Actually during last night's game, the NBC crew was discussing how McVay was able to make things work based upon what Mayfield had to offer (as compared to what Denver's now-fired head coach did with Russell Wilson).  They also said that under the circumstances on how he arrived at the Rams, Mayfield's third game (Sunday night) would start to reflect his learning the playbook and teammates.  Compare this with the Browns.  Game after game, Stefanski has made questionable play calls after questionable play calls.  There have been questions this season (as Mayfield himself brought up last season) about having certain players not on the field when it was crunch time.  Jeff Schudel of the News Herald called the deep route ran by People-Jones on 4th and 2 that Watson overthrew was a bonehead call that was a questionable one even in good weather conditions.  Schudel, everyone in the press box and obviously the Saints knew exactly the play that was going to be called with Hunt getting the ball on a 3rd and 1.  He was stopped for a loss.  A few games back, he had Brissett throw the 4th down pass that went incomplete.  There was the awful clock management in the Jets game.  In Watson's four games back, the Browns offense scored three touchdowns.  Based upon the NBC commentators's comments, Watson should be in tune with the offense.  He has played 4 games and practiced with the team for another month.

 

Stefanski has been the head coach here for nearly 3 seasons.  He was an assistant with Minnesota for 14 seasons.  Between his time with the Browns and Vikings, he knows what cold/bad weather games can be like.  For 2 full seasons at Minnesota, the Vikings played in an open-air stadium while Stefanski was an assistant, plus there are the games the Vikings played at Green Bay and Chicago.  Didn't that give him a cold-weather game perspective and how the game plan should be designed for such games? 

 

Finally, what is going on with the team in general?  Why did Stefanski bench Garrett to start the Saints' game?  Overall team discipline is severely lacking.  There is something seriously out-of-alignment with this team.  The excuses for last year are not on the team this year, yet at best the record is going to be no better than last year.

Stefanski has just not built a new culture of accountability for the Browns. The team had bad losses, lacked discipline, committed too many penalties and didn’t perform up to reasonable expectations given the talent it had.  Especially on offense considering that it had arguably the best running tandem in the league.  (You couldn’t ask for much better than Brissett gave you for 11 weeks.).  The defense was problematic at best  and Joe Woods is on the hot seat but the head coach also has to take accountability. 
 

Another concern is that even Watson has  not impressed as his six playing weeks have gone by. Is Stefanski a big part of the problem?   I’m sure the Haslams bring him back but I’d make a change.  I really hope I’m wrong and that Stefanski turns the team into a  legitimate Super Bowl contender next year.  
 

Next year simply cannot be another wasted year.  This team is supposed to be built for now.  But the clock is ticking and the Browns are still last in their division.  For me, the head coach is on the hot seat. 

Good move by the Browns.

We’ll see if the Special Teams Coordinator survives.

Edited January 9, 20232 yr by Oldmanladyluck

10 hours ago, CleveFan said:

Stefanski has just not built a new culture of accountability for the Browns. The team had bad losses, lacked discipline, committed too many penalties and didn’t perform up to reasonable expectations given the talent it had.  Especially on offense considering that it had arguably the best running tandem in the league.  (You couldn’t ask for much better than Brissett gave you for 11 weeks.).  The defense was problematic at best  and Joe Woods is on the hot seat but the head coach also has to take accountability

The D definitely underachieved this year. They were going to rely on the D even before the Watson trade and if they still had Mayfield. The fact that the D underachieved is why they are not in the playoffs. Certainly there were injuries, but they still should have put up better numbers and overcome some of their befuddling mistakes during the year. There are at least 3 more games they should have won if it were not for major D lapses this year, and that is the difference between sitting at home in January and playing in the playoffs. That certainly boils down to lack of leadership and failure to make the adjustments needed with world class talent on D.

 

10 hours ago, CleveFan said:

Another concern is that even Watson has  not impressed as his six playing weeks have gone by. Is Stefanski a big part of the problem?   I’m sure the Haslams bring him back but I’d make a change.  I really hope I’m wrong and that Stefanski turns the team into a  legitimate Super Bowl contender next year.  

I do not think you can read anything into Watson this season. Remember he sat out for almost 2 years and really did not play a meaningful snap (because the Texans were out of the playoffs) for over 2 years. Watson was going to be rusty. He did not have a chance to get on the same page with his O-line and receivers throughout most of the season. If it were Patrick Mahomes coming into the exact same situation, I would not expect much different from the QB play.  Watson will be fine. He is a good passer and top level (borderline elite QB). I think when he is sharp and has a chance to play next year from jump, he is better than Lamar. 

Question: can someone tell me how the Browns (or any NFL team owner really) becomes more profitable by winning?  Like, is there a significant financial motive to be good or is it all about ego? 

My guess:

 

Winning teams build up goodwill that translate to higher tickets and concession prices, sponsor packages, merch sales, and eventually that unicorn shiny city/county subsidized billion-dollar stadium. 

2 minutes ago, TBideon said:

My guess:

 

Winning teams build up goodwill that translate to higher tickets and concession prices, sponsor packages, merch sales, and eventually that unicorn shiny city/county subsidized billion-dollar stadium. 

Don’t teams share ticket revenues? If so making the playoffs mean more opportunities for teams to gather revenue. Isn’t that why Dan Snyder is partially in trouble with congress?

I thought the team owners keep the revenue from what I mentioned above.

 

Also, I believe the league pays for the playoffs, not team owners except for bonuses/incentives.

Speaking of building up goodwill vs. badwill:

 

The Deshaun Watson trade and signing could end up as the worst move in NFL history

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/106wnws/the_deshaun_watson_trade_and_signing_could_end_up/

 

23 minutes ago, surfohio said:

Speaking of building up goodwill vs. badwill:

 

The Deshaun Watson trade and signing could end up as the worst move in NFL history

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/106wnws/the_deshaun_watson_trade_and_signing_could_end_up/

 

 

Some random redditer who may indeed be a Stoolers fan?

 

Watson has looked better and better each game.    His escape skills have been impressive.    Had the zebra not incorrectly said his knee was down on the one play, he would have gained a critical first down.   That, along with the chicken feces pass interference call on a key third down and the fact that Myles was getting held (and even facemasked) on nearly every pass play made it clear who the league wanted to win.

Edited January 9, 20232 yr by E Rocc

6 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

The D definitely underachieved this year. They were going to rely on the D even before the Watson trade and if they still had Mayfield. The fact that the D underachieved is why they are not in the playoffs. Certainly there were injuries, but they still should have put up better numbers and overcome some of their befuddling mistakes during the year. There are at least 3 more games they should have won if it were not for major D lapses this year, and that is the difference between sitting at home in January and playing in the playoffs. That certainly boils down to lack of leadership and failure to make the adjustments needed with world class talent on D.

 

I do not think you can read anything into Watson this season. Remember he sat out for almost 2 years and really did not play a meaningful snap (because the Texans were out of the playoffs) for over 2 years. Watson was going to be rusty. He did not have a chance to get on the same page with his O-line and receivers throughout most of the season. If it were Patrick Mahomes coming into the exact same situation, I would not expect much different from the QB play.  Watson will be fine. He is a good passer and top level (borderline elite QB). I think when he is sharp and has a chance to play next year from jump, he is better than Lamar. 

 

J.C. Tretter being cut and retiring, plus his backup getting injured, hurt a lot.   People who never played underestimate the role of the center in the OL's teamwork, particularly in pass blocking.

1 hour ago, E Rocc said:

 

J.C. Tretter being cut and retiring, plus his backup getting injured, hurt a lot.   People who never played underestimate the role of the center in the OL's teamwork, particularly in pass blocking.

Maybe it was the center but that O-Line was miserable.  Mayfield got destroyed, Brisset was under duress and Watson never had time. 

Sorry, maybe some quarterbacks (Mahomes or Hurt) are good under constant pressure but that is not a winning strategy for any team.

Peyton Manning could read a defense like no other but his O-Line kept him upright - that is a winning strategy.

 

J. Woods was fired.  GOOD.  I have not seen a professional football team with blown coverages as bad and as often as the browns.  Either the scheme sucked or the players did - but the responsibility lies on the coach.

 

On Offense, anyone else think that what is missing is a super-fast receiver.  It has been some time since the browns have had a super fast deep threat that kept defenses nervous.

Cooper has steady hands, Peoples-Johns looks reliable and I'm hoping Bell can become a play-maker but does anyone fear them?  

 

My rant - GO BROWNS

 

4 hours ago, surfohio said:

Question: can someone tell me how the Browns (or any NFL team owner really) becomes more profitable by winning?  Like, is there a significant financial motive to be good or is it all about ego? 

winning builds the brand. Builds the retail sales, allows you to charge higher ticket prices. Now you are playing at the margins but it still adds value. 

 

The biggest reason why the Cowboys are so valuable are:
1) Jerry owns Jerryworld

2) Market size

 

The Browns will never be able to overcome those two things, but where they add value by winning is

1) Goodwill, merchandise sales, etc.

2) increased ticket sales, 

3) increased out of market/international interest.

 

More importantly, the value of winning and exposure also lets the Browns compete better for free agents at more favorable rates than other teams. All things being equal, would a impactful level free agent, for the same amount of money sign with Cincinnati of Cleveland?? You tax rates are essentially the same (although tax burden in Cincinnati will probably still be less since many athletes can live in Kentucky). Both are colder weather cities (although again Cincinnati is considerably milder, most key players are leaving town in the offseason anyway). Both cities are similar sized markets.  All things being equal, the Browns would have to pay a slight premium for the same player than the Bengals now simply because of winning. That matters to the bottom line. 

1 hour ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

More importantly, the value of winning and exposure also lets the Browns compete better for free agents at more favorable rates than other teams. All things being equal, would a impactful level free agent, for the same amount of money sign with Cincinnati of Cleveland?? You tax rates are essentially the same (although tax burden in Cincinnati will probably still be less since many athletes can live in Kentucky). Both are colder weather cities (although again Cincinnati is considerably milder, most key players are leaving town in the offseason anyway). Both cities are similar sized markets.  All things being equal, the Browns would have to pay a slight premium for the same player than the Bengals now simply because of winning. That matters to the bottom line. 

This is true--Von Miller left the Rams for the polar (literally) opposite team in the Buffalo Bills.   He's injured now, but it appears he made a good decision as the Bills are playing at an elite level. 

14 hours ago, Chazz Michael Michaels said:

Maybe it was the center but that O-Line was miserable.  Mayfield got destroyed, Brisset was under duress and Watson never had time. 

Sorry, maybe some quarterbacks (Mahomes or Hurt) are good under constant pressure but that is not a winning strategy for any team.

Peyton Manning could read a defense like no other but his O-Line kept him upright - that is a winning strategy.

 

J. Woods was fired.  GOOD.  I have not seen a professional football team with blown coverages as bad and as often as the browns.  Either the scheme sucked or the players did - but the responsibility lies on the coach.

 

On Offense, anyone else think that what is missing is a super-fast receiver.  It has been some time since the browns have had a super fast deep threat that kept defenses nervous.

Cooper has steady hands, Peoples-Johns looks reliable and I'm hoping Bell can become a play-maker but does anyone fear them?  

 

My rant - GO BROWNS

 

 

Other than at center and the first rounder at LT it was the same people that were the best OL in the league 2 years ago.  Last year, lots of injuries.

15 hours ago, Cleburger said:

This is true--Von Miller left the Rams for the polar (literally) opposite team in the Buffalo Bills.   He's injured now, but it appears he made a good decision as the Bills are playing at an elite level. 

Also of note, he more or less allowed himself to be traded from Denver to the Rams in the season before because of the Super Bowl run. Yes, the Rams were renting the player for 1/2 a season, but a veteran like Miller would likely have protested a trade to a team like the Dolphins, Texans, Bears, or Falcons (all large market teams but not contenders). Also worth noting is that the Broncos were at least playoff competitive until late in the 2021 season last year, so Miller was at least on a team competing for a wild card. 

 

To you point, as a free agent, Miller would not have signed with the Jags (too unproven), Texans (not a competitor), or Bears (not competitive) unless they paid him a premium higher than the Bills. Winning is contagious and once you have it, it is easier to keep that ball rolling in a positive direction for many reasons. 

 

uuuggh —

 

 

 

NFL QB bargains: Ranking best to worst, exploring who gets paid next

 

 

Worst bargain: Deshaun Watson

It somehow went slightly under the radar just how badly Watson played in 2022 after returning from an 11-game suspensionfor violating the NFL's personal conduct policy by committing sexual assault, as defined by the league, on massage therapists. His QBR was 38.3 -- barely beating out Russell Wilson (37.0) and trailing far behind teammate Jacoby Brissett(59.9) -- over his six games with the Browns despite signing a deal with $230 million guaranteed last offseason. Lest you think this was just a volume thing: Even if we did this exercise on a per-snap basis Watson would still rank last in his category. Sure, his contract was made with future seasons in mind. But in 2022, even if we focus on only what he did on the field, Watson was the worst quarterback value by a mile. -- Seth Walder

 

 

more:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35532896/nfl-quarterback-contract-bargain-salary-best-worst

haslam's buying out the bucks --

 

 

Sources: Marc Lasry agrees to sell Bucks to Haslams for $3.5B

8:46 AM ET

Tim BontempsESPN

 

 

Milwaukee Bucks co-owner Marc Lasry has reached an agreement to sell his portion of the Bucks to Cleveland Browns owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam for a $3.5 billion valuation, sources told ESPN.

 

The deal, which sources said is still pending league approval, would be the second-highest valuation ever for an NBA team, only being surpassed by the $4 billion purchase of the Phoenix Suns by Mat Ishbia from Robert Sarver that was completed earlier this month. It would also be the third highest for any American professional sports team, also trailing the $4.65 billion the Denver Broncos went for last June.

 

The Bucks sale is just the latest in a series of escalating prices for NBA teams in recent years. Before Ishbia's purchase, the previous record was Joe Tsai buying the Brooklyn Nets for $2.3 billion in 2019. That was preceded by Tilman Fertitta spending $2.2 billion to land the Houston Rockets in 2017, and Steve Ballmer paying $2 billion to buy the LA Clippers in 2014.

 

 

more:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35746705/sources-marc-lasry-agrees-sell-bucks-haslams-35b

3 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

haslam's buying out the bucks --

 

 

Sources: Marc Lasry agrees to sell Bucks to Haslams for $3.5B

8:46 AM ET

Tim BontempsESPN

 

 

Milwaukee Bucks co-owner Marc Lasry has reached an agreement to sell his portion of the Bucks to Cleveland Browns owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam for a $3.5 billion valuation, sources told ESPN.

 

The deal, which sources said is still pending league approval, would be the second-highest valuation ever for an NBA team, only being surpassed by the $4 billion purchase of the Phoenix Suns by Mat Ishbia from Robert Sarver that was completed earlier this month. It would also be the third highest for any American professional sports team, also trailing the $4.65 billion the Denver Broncos went for last June.

 

The Bucks sale is just the latest in a series of escalating prices for NBA teams in recent years. Before Ishbia's purchase, the previous record was Joe Tsai buying the Brooklyn Nets for $2.3 billion in 2019. That was preceded by Tilman Fertitta spending $2.2 billion to land the Houston Rockets in 2017, and Steve Ballmer paying $2 billion to buy the LA Clippers in 2014.

 

 

more:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35746705/sources-marc-lasry-agrees-sell-bucks-haslams-35b

Sending along our thoughts and prayers to Bucks fans....

Good.  They can ruin a Cavs competitor in the east.

espn grading the defense --

 

 

Browns' defense: Grading the positions ahead of free agency, 2023 NFL draft

 

6:00 AM ET

Jake TrotterESPN Staff Writer 

 

 

BEREA, Ohio -- The Cleveland Browns are entering a crucial offseason, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

 

Last season, the Browns finished 19th in defensive efficiency, which was a massive disappointment given the expectations. Even though Cleveland quietly improved late in the year, the franchise fired defensive coordinator Joe Woods and replaced him with Jim Schwartz, the former head coach in Detroit and former Super Bowl-winning defensive coordinator of the Philadelphia Eagles.

 

The Browns have work to do on the roster as well and at every level of their defense.

 

 

more:

https://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/29423/browns-defense-grading-the-positions-ahead-of-free-agency-2023-nfl-draft

browns are active in fa season and it looks like so far, so good —

 

 

 

Browns 2023 free-agency tracker: Thornhill fills need at safety; Tomlinson, Okoronkwo bolster D-line

 

Jake TrotterESPN Staff Writer

 

 

more:

https://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/29396/cleveland-browns-2023-free-agent-signings-oc-ethan-pocic-returning-to-cleveland

browns fa rating according to cbs sports:

 

 

Cleveland Browns: B 

Key additions: DE Obo Okoronkwo (Texans); DT Dalvin Tomlinson (Vikings), TE Jordan Akins (Texans), DL Maurice Hurst (49ers), S Juan Thornhill (Chiefs). Key re-signings: C Ethan Pocic

With Jadeveon Clowney wading through the waters of free agency, it was important for the Cleveland to find a new pass-rushing partner opposite Myles Garrett. They did so by signing 27-year-old defensive end Obo Okoronkwo to a three-year, $19 million contract that could hit $22 million with incentives. A solid add at a decent price point for a player coming off a career year despite playing for the Houston Texans, the team in possession of the second overall pick in the 2022 NFL Draft.

 

However, the Browns' defensive line re-tooling didn't stop there. Late into Monday, the signed defensive tackle Dalvin Tomlinson to a four-year, $57 million deal with $27.5 million of it guaranteed, according to NFL Media. These two signings could allow Cleveland to be a force up front, critical in a division with Joe Burrow and most likely Lamar Jackson still.

 

Adding former Chiefs safety Juan Thornhill on a three-year, $21 million deal fills in the hole left by the release of John Johnson III nicely. 

 

A restructure of Deshaun Watson's five-year, fully-guaranteed $230 million contract created $36 million in cap space for the Browns to work with this offseason, and they're making good use out of that additional cap room. 

highlights via espn —-

 

 

NFL free agency 2023: Experts debate best signings, improved teams

 

 

Cleveland Browns are among the teams that have made a lot of noise to start free agency, both bolstering their defenses with major additions.

 

Which was the best overall free agent signing?

 

Mike Clay, fantasy football writer: DT Dalvin Tomlinson to the Cleveland Browns. He wasn't cheap to sign, but it seems like I've been picking on the Browns for their inability to solve defensive tackle for a decade and it was nice to see them prioritize the position this offseason. Tomlinson is one of the league's best interior defensive linemen and will take some pressure off superstar defensive end Myles Garrett and fellow newcomer Ogbonnia Okoronkwo on the edge.

 

Jeremy Fowler, national NFL writer: Tomlinson to the Browns. Cleveland desperately needed ruggedness in the middle of its maligned defense. It had to overpay to secure that, but Tomlinson (four years, $57 million) is coming off an impressive season for Minnesota. He seems to be improving at age 29, too. Garrett gets help up front with Tomlinson and Okoronkwo.

 

What is the most improved team after the past week of moves?

 

Bowen: Cleveland Browns. The Browns made some savvy moves to upgrade their defense. Edge rusher Ogbonnia Okoronkwo and defensive tackle Dalvin Tomlinson bolster the Cleveland front, and safety Juan Thornhill brings much-needed post range and ball skills to the Cleveland secondary.

 

Jordan Reid: Browns. The Browns had major holes along the defensive line and at safety. Tomlinson, one of the top defensive free agents on the open market, was the team's marquee signing. The former Vikings interior defender is exactly what the Browns needed, as the middle of their defense struggled mightily last season. Okoronkwo brings more pressure off of the edge and a lot of versatility. And signing Thornhill following the release of John Johnson III was a swap for a better player and one that better fits the free safety role in new defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz's scheme.

 

 

more:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35872038/nfl-free-agency-2023-best-worst-deals-signings-moves-most-improved-teams

 

 

 

 

 

up the browns off season moves from a B to a B+/A- for this get and for cleverly taking advantage of the jets wr overload and pursuit of aaron rodgers.

 

https://www.silive.com/jets/2023/03/new-york-jets-trade-elijah-moore-to-browns-in-swap-of-draft-picks.html

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35968103/qb-lamar-jackson-says-requested-trade-ravens 

 

Maybe somehow signing Watson to all that guaranteed money was a secret plot to get back at Baltimore for stealing the team almost 30 years ago. Lamar likely would have signed if it were not for the Watson deal. 

i think i broke the google bard a.i. magic eightball!  😆

 

 

 

will the cleveland browns win the superbowl before the heat death of the universe?

 

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The Cleveland Browns have not won a Super Bowl since 1964. The heat death of the universe is a hypothetical event that will occur when the universe has expanded so much that all matter and energy is spread out too thin to interact. It is estimated that the heat death of the universe will occur in 10^100 years.

 

It is therefore possible that the Cleveland Browns could win a Super Bowl before the heat death of the universe. However, it is also possible that they will never win a Super Bowl again. The future is uncertain, and anything is possible.

this wr dude the browns picked loks ok, but he had an ankle injury, hope he rebounds —

 

highlights:

 

dt siaki ika highlights —

 

 

https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/36316462

 

Vote now in the Final Five for the new dog logo!

 

 

Fans can now submit their votes for their favorite of the final five new designs selected to become the new Browns dog logo

 

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/final-five-new-dog-logo-vote

 

What are people's favorites? Top left seems like the safe, clear, standard choice, but top middle and bottom left seem like interesting dark horse options. The more I look at them different ones grow on me. 

Good grief.  The dogs should have been put to sleep years ago.

Maybe we don't need a stadium at all? Just play all of our games on the road....

 

5 hours ago, KJP said:

Maybe we don't need a stadium at all? Just play all of our games on the road....

 

 

39% is probably still much better than their win% on the road in this timeframe.

On 5/10/2023 at 8:03 AM, KJP said:

 

 

 

don't you just love inflation for no reason?

 

for just a cash grab?

 

yet some people would try to tell somehow this is our uncle joe's fault.  🙄

 

Holy sh!t. What did we trade for him? Myles Garrett??

 

 

So we traded only two fifth-rounders?? Now the Browns have Myles, Za'Darius and Ogbo. Best defensive line in the NFL? 

 

 

^ who knew the browns had any picks left!

according to this funny espn animation the browns, or err at least the brownie, is going undefeated!  😂

 

 

https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/37606210

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/37685864/all-great-running-back-jim-brown-dies-87

There is a strong possibility that Deshaun Watson and DeAndre Hopkins reunite with the #Browns 

 

https://nflrums.com/f/deandre-hopkins-expected-to-join-deshaun-watson-with-the-browns