November 24, 201014 yr ^^they will. it's only a matter of time...well, uh, depending how much of an exhibitionist you are. :behind: http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
November 24, 201014 yr ^^"Sorry that we don't have these platinum flying cards that allows us to bypass these security measures." huh, I didn't know about this! I thought mts just had a private jet. http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
November 24, 201014 yr FYI, MTS, your comments have not been helpful in this entire thread. Sorry that we don't have these platinum flying cards that allows us to bypass these security measures. Sorry we don't fly enough to justify our comments here. It would be better if you would simply shut up or allow others to have a conversation on a subject that really concerns us. I've never had beef with you, but dont ever tell me to "shut up" again. That is something that is not up for discussion. Having said that, your specific comment above validates my previous post. Leisure travelers are complaining about nothing! Just because I have elite priority on my air carriers, that does in no way excuse me from airport screening protocols. It amazes me that once the majority of white people (granted you are not white) start to complain that they are being infringed upon, its a tragedy. Welcome to the world of people of color. Now you know how we feel. Get the hell over it and be sure to wear clean undies on day(s) you need to pass thru airport security!
November 24, 201014 yr Poll finds 61% oppose new airport security measures Los Angles Times, November 23, 2010 On the eve of one of the nation's busiest travel days, a poll has found that 61% of likely voters oppose the newly enhanced security measures at the country's airports. The poll by Zogby International of 2,032 likely voters also found that 48% said they would probably seek alternatives to flying because of the new measures. Airport security has become a topic of heated debate, particularly since Nov. 1, when the Transportation Security Administration implemented a more aggressive pat-down search technique at security checkpoints. -- Next step for tight security could be trains, boats, metro By Jordy Yager, The Hill, 11/23/10 The next step in tightened security could be on U.S. public transportation, trains and boats. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano says terrorists will continue to look for U.S. vulnerabilities, making tighter security standards necessary. “[Terrorists] are going to continue to probe the system and try to find a way through,” Napolitano said in an interview that aired Monday night on "Charlie Rose." “I think the tighter we get on aviation, we have to also be thinking now about going on to mass transit or to trains or maritime. So, what do we need to be doing to strengthen our protections there?” -- Ron Paul: Crotch Groped by TSA, Calls for Boycott of Airlines November 23, 2010 Appearing on the Alex Jones Show today, Texas Congressman Ron Paul expressed his outrage and disgust with the TSA and its unconstitutional naked body scanners and genital groping under the transparent pretense of protecting the American people from terrorists in distant caves. “If we tolerate this,” Paul said, “there’s something wrong with us.” He added that the American people deserve to be humiliated and demeaned by the government if they refuse to stand up and resist.
November 24, 201014 yr Poll finds 61% oppose new airport security measures Los Angles Times, November 23, 2010 On the eve of one of the nation's busiest travel days, a poll has found that 61% of likely voters oppose the newly enhanced security measures at the country's airports. The poll by Zogby International of 2,032 likely voters also found that 48% said they would probably seek alternatives to flying because of the new measures. Airport security has become a topic of heated debate, particularly since Nov. 1, when the Transportation Security Administration implemented a more aggressive pat-down search technique at security checkpoints. This needs to be broken down by segments. Business, leisure, occasion traveler, male, female, age, etc.
November 24, 201014 yr FYI, MTS, your comments have not been helpful in this entire thread. Sorry that we don't have these platinum flying cards that allows us to bypass these security measures. Sorry we don't fly enough to justify our comments here. It would be better if you would simply shut up or allow others to have a conversation on a subject that really concerns us. I've never had beef with you, but dont ever tell me to "shut up" again. That is something that is not up for discussion. Having said that, your specific comment above validates my previous post. Leisure travelers are complaining about nothing! Just because I have elite priority on my air carriers, that does in no way excuse me from airport screening protocols. It amazes me that once the majority of white people (granted you are not white) start to complain that they are being infringed upon, its a tragedy. Welcome to the world of people of color. Now you know how we feel. Get the hell over it and be sure to wear clean undies on day(s) you need to pass thru airport security! I agree that blacks (and Latinos) are unfairly profiled on a constant basis every day in this country--especially young black men (it's too common a complaint for whites not to believe it happens), and it's something that has to addressed; but I think airport security is an entirely separate issue. I believe Americans of all colors and backgrounds--blacks, whites, Asians, etc--are protesting the current policy and see the absurdity of not profiling those most likely to commit an act of terror. Believe me, if pale people of Nordic ethnic origins were responsible for 99% of the terrorists acts being perpetrated I would be the first to demand they be profiled. http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
November 24, 201014 yr FYI, MTS, your comments have not been helpful in this entire thread. Sorry that we don't have these platinum flying cards that allows us to bypass these security measures. Sorry we don't fly enough to justify our comments here. It would be better if you would simply shut up or allow others to have a conversation on a subject that really concerns us. I've never had beef with you, but dont ever tell me to "shut up" again. That is something that is not up for discussion. Having said that, your specific comment above validates my previous post. Leisure travelers are complaining about nothing! Just because I have elite priority on my air carriers, that does in no way excuse me from airport screening protocols. It amazes me that once the majority of white people (granted you are not white) start to complain that they are being infringed upon, its a tragedy. Welcome to the world of people of color. Now you know how we feel. Get the hell over it and be sure to wear clean undies on day(s) you need to pass thru airport security! I agree that blacks (and Latinos) are unfairly profiled on a constant basis every day in this country--especially young black men (it's too common a complaint for whites not to believe it happens), and it's something that has to addressed; but I think the issue of airport security is an entirely separate issue. I believe Americans of all colors and backgrounds--blacks, whites, Asians, etc--are protesting the current policy and see the absurdity of not profiling those most likely to commit an act of terror. Believe me, if pale people of Nordic ethnic origins were responsible for 99% of the terrorists acts being perpetrated I would be the first to demand they be profiled. I believe this is only a "hot button" issue because it's the busiest air travel day of the year. Again, there needs to be mroe information on who is being polled. If 61% are upset, the airlines wont be happy. The airports wont be happy. However, business travelers were be overjoyed! Give me some real data to look at. I would go out on a limb and say 11% of those polled are business travelers and the rest occasional travelers. Get out the airport and out of my way so I can get to where I need to go quickly!
November 25, 201014 yr I believe this is only a "hot button" issue because it's the busiest air travel day of the year. Again, there needs to be mroe information on who is being polled. If 61% are upset, the airlines wont be happy. The airports wont be happy. However, business travelers were be overjoyed! Give me some real data to look at. I would go out on a limb and say 11% of those polled are business travelers and the rest occasional travelers. Get out the airport and out of my way so I can get to where I need to go quickly! MTS, that would be like saying the richest people in the country should have the most say about how taxes are charged because they are the ones paying most of them. That's silly. Just because I fly a handful of times per year as opposed to 100 doesn't mean my objection to unconstitutional searches is less valid. As for airports and airlines, quite a few airports have already started to study the process of opting out of TSA and going with private security.
November 25, 201014 yr I believe this is only a "hot button" issue because it's the busiest air travel day of the year. Again, there needs to be mroe information on who is being polled. If 61% are upset, the airlines wont be happy. The airports wont be happy. However, business travelers were be overjoyed! Give me some real data to look at. I would go out on a limb and say 11% of those polled are business travelers and the rest occasional travelers. Get out the airport and out of my way so I can get to where I need to go quickly! MTS, that would be like saying the richest people in the country should have the most say about how taxes are charged because they are the ones paying most of them. That's silly. Just because I fly a handful of times per year as opposed to 100 doesn't mean my objection to unconstitutional searches is less valid. As for airports and airlines, quite a few airports have already started to study the process of opting out of TSA and going with private security. apples to oranges.
December 2, 201014 yr Here we go. Man arrested after ejaculating during TSA pat-down A 47 year old gay man was arrested at San Francisco International Airport after ejaculating while being patted down by a male TSA agent. Percy Cummings, an interior designer from San Francisco, is being held without bail after the alleged incident, charged with sexually assaulting a Federal agent. According to Cummings’ partner, Sergio Armani, Cummings has “multiple piercings on his manhood” which were detected during a full body scan. As a result, Cummings was pulled aside for a pat-down. Armani stated that the unidentified TSA agent spent “an inordinate amount of time groping” Cummings, who had apparently become sexually aroused. Cummings, who has a history of sexual dysfunction, ejaculated while the TSA agent’s hand was feeling the piercings. The TSA agent, according to several witnesses, promptly called for back up. Cummings was thrown to the ground and handcuffed. A TSA spokesperson declined to comment on this specific case, but said that anyone ejaculating during a pat-down would be subject to arrest. http://www.deadseriousnews.com/?p=573
December 2, 201014 yr I figured out that site is fake (kinda like the Onion), but it's funny and half-believable. The name Percy Cummings made me suspicious though.
December 2, 201014 yr I figured out that site is fake (kinda like the Onion), but it's funny and half-believable. The name Percy Cummings made me suspicious though. That's what you get! I cannot believe you even posted this BS! (side eye) Here we go. Man arrested after ejaculating during TSA pat-down A 47 year old gay man was arrested at San Francisco International Airport after ejaculating while being patted down by a male TSA agent. Percy Cummings, an interior designer from San Francisco, is being held without bail after the alleged incident, charged with sexually assaulting a Federal agent. According to Cummings partner, Sergio Armani, Cummings has multiple piercings on his manhood which were detected during a full body scan. As a result, Cummings was pulled aside for a pat-down. Armani stated that the unidentified TSA agent spent an inordinate amount of time groping Cummings, who had apparently become sexually aroused. Cummings, who has a history of sexual dysfunction, ejaculated while the TSA agents hand was feeling the piercings. The TSA agent, according to several witnesses, promptly called for back up. Cummings was thrown to the ground and handcuffed. A TSA spokesperson declined to comment on this specific case, but said that anyone ejaculating during a pat-down would be subject to arrest. http://www.deadseriousnews.com/?p=573
December 2, 201014 yr Whatever, it could happen to you. Consider it a warning. SILENCE! Your insolent behavior will not be tolerated!! [i would be such a fabulous dictator! I have tons of one liners with matching disapproving facial expressions! HA!]
December 4, 201014 yr flew for the first time yesterday and today since this all blew up and was patted down at Hopkins. I didn't think it was any different than the few times prior to this story breaking that I had been patted down...they were pretty clear about what they were doing and what they were going to do and I did not feel uncomfortable at any point.
December 4, 201014 yr Harvard Students Sue TSA Over 'Intrusive' Searches By Zoe A. Y. Weinberg, CRIMSON, December 03, 2010 Two Harvard Law School students filed a lawsuit against the Transportation Security Administration for its use of “intrusive” full body scanners and pat down procedures late last month. Jeffrey H. Redfern and Anant N. Pradhan, both second year Law School students, allege that the scanners—which generate images of travelers’ bodies—and the TSA’s “enhanced pat down” technique which requires “the touching of their genital areas” are a violation of the Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure, according to the complaint filed on Nov. 29 at a U.S. District Court in Boston.
December 4, 201014 yr flew for the first time yesterday and today since this all blew up and was patted down at Hopkins. I didn't think it was any different than the few times prior to this story breaking that I had been patted down...they were pretty clear about what they were doing and what they were going to do and I did not feel uncomfortable at any point. Did they touch your junk?
December 4, 201014 yr flew for the first time yesterday and today since this all blew up and was patted down at Hopkins. I didn't think it was any different than the few times prior to this story breaking that I had been patted down...they were pretty clear about what they were doing and what they were going to do and I did not feel uncomfortable at any point. Did they touch your junk? you are such a perv!
December 9, 201014 yr India's ambassador Meera Shankar frisked at US airport BBC, December 9, 2010 India's ambassador to US has been pulled from an airport security line and frisked by a security agent in Mississippi, it has emerged. The hands-on search took place last week even after Meera Shankar's diplomatic status was revealed. Some reports said Ms Shankar, who was on her way from a conference, was singled out because she was wearing a sari. The Indian embassy in Washington has strongly protested about the incident.
December 9, 201014 yr flew for the first time yesterday and today since this all blew up and was patted down at Hopkins. I didn't think it was any different than the few times prior to this story breaking that I had been patted down...they were pretty clear about what they were doing and what they were going to do and I did not feel uncomfortable at any point. Did they touch your junk? Unfortunately, no.
December 9, 201014 yr flew for the first time yesterday and today since this all blew up and was patted down at Hopkins. I didn't think it was any different than the few times prior to this story breaking that I had been patted down...they were pretty clear about what they were doing and what they were going to do and I did not feel uncomfortable at any point. Did they touch your junk? Unfortunately, no.
December 16, 201014 yr I flew internationally Dec. 1-7.... (Photo evidence is here: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,25042.0.html) ...and had no problems in passing security at Cleveland, Newark, Munich, Frankfurt or Kiev. Actually, the security seemed to be the least intensive among all of my five trips to/from Europe since 2007. At Cleveland, it took me maybe 30 seconds to get through the entire security line and checkpoint. At Newark it was perhaps 5 minutes in line. No pat-downs. No dramatics. No big deal. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 16, 201014 yr Hopkins thus morning was very quick, and I didn't see any patdowns while in line. Also....my god is the shoes removal requirement stupid. It really pales beyond words.
December 16, 201014 yr Also....my god is the shoes removal requirement stupid. It really pales beyond words. I agree. I thought they were trying to stop weapons of mass destruction, not release them by asking certain people to take their shoes off! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 16, 201014 yr Also....my god is the shoes removal requirement stupid. It really pales beyond words. I agree. I thought they were trying to stop weapons of mass destruction, not release them by asking certain people to take their shoes off! While my explosives experience is limited to cherry bombs, bottle rockets and firecrackers as a kid and trying not to wet myself seeing IEDs and RPGs in Iraq, I would guess that most bombs small enough to fit inside shoes would be insufficient to do significant structural damage to an airliner. The same goes for underwear bombs. So we're making every passenger take off their shoes to prove they don't have have a weapon that might at most kill a handful of passengers and scare the crap out of the rest. It's much more likely they'll do what the underwear bomber did and just burn themselves before getting snot knocked out of them by their fellow passengers. While it would be nice to prevent anything like that from ever happening, is it really worth the time, effort, and money that TSA is spending and the inconvenience to passengers? I don't know. I'm sure there are some really advanced high powered explosives that could be packed into a shoe, but considering the knowledge and experience it takes to manufacture that type of explosives I would think that should be low on the list of things to search for. Just check the shoes of those coming through that are selected for extra screening or anyone with really bulky shoes/boots. If you see a guy that's 5'2" wearing size 21 shoes, then you might want to check him out, otherwise it seems like a waste to me.
December 16, 201014 yr ^I have to disagree. Didn't the FBI do some tests with the size and type of bomb that the "shoe bomber" attempted to use? I thought they did and found that the explosion would have been sufficient enough to bring down an airplane. -EDIT- "Cronin, the only witness to testify during Friday's probable-cause hearing, said an explosives expert told her that if the explosive in the sneakers had been detonated against the outside wall of the plane, it would have blasted a hole in the fuselage." http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/12/28/inv.reid/ -EDIT- An explosion next to the fuselage of a pressurized airliner at 30,000 feet could puncture the fuselage. The aluminum used on the fuselage is usually only about 0.04" thick and the only thing between that thin sheet of aluminum and the shoe bomb is a few inches of plastic and insulation. If the skin is punctured an explosive decompression would occur. This can cause floors to collapse, the aircraft skin could peel back, engines can fail due to ingested material, the leading edges of the wings can sustain serious impact damage, control lines can be severed... it's a big deal. ANY explosion on a pressurized aircraft is a very serious matter and has the potential to bring down the aircraft. Now, do I agree with the shoe removal policy? I'm undecided... but it doesn't seem like too much of an inconvenience for most people. Just wear slip-on shoes to the airport.
February 9, 201114 yr What is the TSA hiding from this bi-partisan panel? 'Inexcusable' delay on TSA body-scanner safety reports By Alison Young, USA TODAY, February 9, 2011 The Transportation Security Administration has told members of Congress that more than 15 million passengers received full-body scans at airports without any malfunctions that put travelers at risk of an excessive radiation dose. Despite the reassurance, however, the TSA has yet to release radiation inspection reports for its X-ray equipment — two months after lawmakers called for them to be made public following USA TODAY's requests to review the reports. -- "The public has a right to know, and there isn't something so sensitive that requires holding it back." -Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah. Chaffetz, who has sponsored legislation to limit the use of full-body scans.
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