During "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" will the crowd substitute "the home team" with "the Guard-yuns"?

 

I like the name overall. Good local connection.

On 6/4/2021 at 10:27 AM, skiwest said:

For as long as I live, they will be the Indians.

I disagree.  Guardians is a great choice!!!  Unless you are still going to see Dodgers games in Brooklyn, or Colts games in Baltimore - progress happens.

The Charlotte Bobcats are now the Hornets, the Oilers are the Titans, the Bullets are the Wizards, etc, etc etc

26 minutes ago, NorthShore647 said:

 

He got his first acting job in Cleveland at Great Lakes Shakespeare Festival in the 1970s and went to a lot of games. 

So Dolan didn't even have the courage to make the announcement.  What a wuss.

16 minutes ago, Mendo said:

The name is fine. We'll all get used to it in a few years.

 

 

Yeah, it's fine. Mashed potatoes are fine, too. The name is generic and...."fine". Not great, not good, not bad. just fine. "Spiders" would have been a hell of a lot better. Too bad we're settling for just fine these days. Just like a 2---or even four--story bldg on Public Square for Sherwin Williams.....its fine. Not good, but we're not pushing for 10-12 stories at least to match the other shorter bldgs on the square, but rather, 'public rooftop access'. 

The name is phenomenal! The logos leave a lot to be desired. The name has a lot of good logo potential, check out this fan design: https://www.behance.net/gallery/101622239/CLE-Guardians?tracking_source=for_you_feed_user_published

"Spiders" lol. Sounds like the name kindergarten students would pick. 

 

Guardians is a solid choice. Like the Royals and Nationals.

8 minutes ago, Pugu said:

Yeah, it's fine. Mashed potatoes are fine, too. The name is generic and...."fine". Not great, not good, not bad. just fine. "Spiders" would have been a hell of a lot better. Too bad we're settling for just fine these days. Just like a 2---or even four--story bldg on Public Square for Sherwin Williams.....its fine. Not good, but we're not pushing for 10-12 stories at least to match the other shorter bldgs on the square, but rather, 'public rooftop access'. 

 

I happen to like Guardians over the Spiders. Who's opinion is right?

Did they just chose the new name because it has "dians" in it?

 

They could have gone with "Comedians" and had a Drew Carey tie-in.

 

 

6 minutes ago, ink said:

"Spiders" lol. Sounds like the name kindergarten students would pick. 

 

Guardians is a solid choice. Like the Royals and Nationals.

 

They both seem pretty childlike to me. But then again, a lot of sports names are fairly childlike, so I don't really mind the name. 

 

I feel they could have done much better with the logo though. Two flying Gs carrying a baseball? What the heck is that? And the new C is inferior to the old block C. They could have just kept that old C. 

 

Working off of the guardian statues makes sense. It's a local unique feature and it's next to the ball park. But if you are going to work off of that, at least make something epic by building off of the intimidating statues. Don't drop cartoonish flying Gs carrying a baseball on us.

 

 

1 hour ago, Pugu said:

Stupid name; limited meaning. Yeah, I get the Lorain Carnegie Bridge connection. The Cleveland Spiders would have been a far more meaningful--and very cool and edgy---name. The "Guardians" is just so blah and ordinary.

I think the Spiders is a dumb name with no meaning beyond the fact that it was a dumb name with no meaning that we used way before anyone alive today lived to see it.  Guardians is a reference to a local landmark so it is if anything more meaningful.

This is a better look than block C.  

 

Baseball names are strange. The MLB has 2 teams that share their names with other pro teams, 2 teams names after socks, 2 named after fish and 3 named after birds. 4 of them got their name while they played in another city. 

 

I'm happy with the Cleveland Guardians. 

here's a poll from someone in Toronto--so far the new name is a flop

 

 

34 minutes ago, Ethan said:

The name is phenomenal! The logos leave a lot to be desired. The name has a lot of good logo potential, check out this fan design: https://www.behance.net/gallery/101622239/CLE-Guardians?tracking_source=for_you_feed_user_published

Lots of great ideas on that page. His logo proposal is better than any of the ones the team came up with:

 

3 hours ago, jeremyck01 said:

 

 

Also, the font they are using for Guardians reminds me a bit of the Indian's font from the '70s.

 

Or a Judas Priest album cover.  

Major League opening shot: The Guardians
 

 

BTW… if you needed another reason to hate Albert Porter:

 

https://photos.clevescene.com/10-things-you-should-know-about-the-guardians-of-traffic-statues-since-you-might-be-rooting-for-the-guardians-soon/?slide=9&press-hopebridge80_7b40f0bd72_cd8d1294d8

 

 

 

Edited July 23, 20213 yr by MuRrAy HiLL

 

4 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

^^^ Trump is 100% garbage in, garbage out. As predictable as he is vapid.

 

I give zero cares about major league sports, but I am glad to say goodbye to the Indians. Guardians is fine with me.

 

I was holding out for Cleveland Lakers, though. 

 

Edited July 23, 20213 yr by westerninterloper

41 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

I feel they could have done much better with the logo though. Two flying Gs carrying a baseball? What the heck is that? And the new C is inferior to the old block C. They could have just kept that old C. 

 

I think the two "G"'s are meant to evoke a hand pitching a ball. The wings of the G's bring to mind the speed of the pitch as well as a nod to the winged Guardians of Traffic.

 

That being said, the execution of the logo is horrendous. It looks like Microsoft clip-art from the 90's. I could see these as a "flying toasters" screen saver. Definitely needs tweaking.

5 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Somehow, worrying about the changing name of a sports team seems right about 45's level of leadership you'd expect.  He must have written that note during "executive time"

If that moronic traitor is against it, I'm even more in favor of it!!!  Where to I get some gear?  GO GUARDIANS, BIGLY!!!!!!!

If someone tells Donnie that Putin said he liked the name-change (and that he said it very strongly and very powerfully) maybe then he'd like it

Maybe he and King Jong-Un can exchange some additional love letters about the name change

 

 

1 hour ago, Ram23 said:

Did they just chose the new name because it has "dians" in it?

 

 

Cheaper to change signs that way

1 hour ago, Pugu said:

 

Yeah, it's fine. Mashed potatoes are fine, too. The name is generic and...."fine". Not great, not good, not bad. just fine. "Spiders" would have been a hell of a lot better. Too bad we're settling for just fine these days. Just like a 2---or even four--story bldg on Public Square for Sherwin Williams.....its fine. Not good, but we're not pushing for 10-12 stories at least to match the other shorter bldgs on the square, but rather, 'public rooftop access'. 

 

1 hour ago, Mendo said:

 

I happen to like Guardians over the Spiders. Who's opinion is right?

 

Always difficult to prove who is right with opinions. But if we want to quantify things to provide some supporting evidence, there are probably more (college, HS, Jr High, elementary school) teams out there named "Guardians" than "Spiders", meaning the former is more generic and less special. For example, the Glastonbury Tomahawks are now the Glastonbury Guardians.

 

https://www.courant.com/community/glastonbury/hc-news-glastonbury-guardians-mascot-20210323-lkxrqidlpzgfddrjpja6v6xptm-story.html

 

However, it ultimately doesn't matter what you or I think. And granted, there were far worse names than "Guardians."

The nature of opinions is that they aren't right or wrong; they are subject(ive) to change. They are right for the person or community, but not universally "correct". 

Edited July 23, 20213 yr by westerninterloper

38 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

Or a Judas Priest album cover.  

 

 

Put a baseball in this fist:

More good logo alternatives:

 

 

18 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

More good logo alternatives:

 

The only good one of that bunch in my opinion is the last one. But I do think it's good.

1 minute ago, ryanlammi said:

 

The only good one of that bunch in my opinion is the last one. But I do think it's good.

The last one should be turned to face the right; left-facing suggests going backwards. 

7 minutes ago, westerninterloper said:

The last one should be turned to face the right; left-facing suggests going backwards. 

Looks good to me (just reverse the C).

1 hour ago, NorthShore647 said:

Baseball names are strange. The MLB has 2 teams that share their names with other pro teams, 2 teams names after socks, 2 named after fish and 3 named after birds. 4 of them got their name while they played in another city. 

 

The Reds are also named after their socks. So three socks teams.

14 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

The Reds are also named after their socks. So three socks teams.

The Blue Sox could have been good, an homage to the Union Army, like the Columbus Blue Jackets.

 

I'd really like it if northern cities would poke a little more at the Confederacy, like say, the Cleveland Abolitionists, Liberators, Emancipators. Guardians can fit that bill, I suppose. 

Edited July 23, 20213 yr by westerninterloper

The Guradians of the Tribe

The Guardians of Dolan's pocketbook.

I think the G logo is kind of being underrated by the collective Cleveland internet community, the wings are cool IMO. Not saying I'd have done exactly the same thing but the aesthetic is on the right track. I love that we're going to be the only Art Deco sports team.

Edited July 23, 20213 yr by mu2010

 

19 minutes ago, mu2010 said:

I think the G logo is kind of being underrated by the collective Cleveland internet community, the wings are cool IMO. Not saying I'd have done exactly the same thing but the aesthetic is on the right track. I love that we're going to be the only Art Deco sports team.

 

Now I've had a few hours with it, I think I'd agree with you.

 

IIRC I posted this on this thread a good while ago. Cleveland SC really nailed the best 'Guardians' logo

 

 

4 hours ago, skiwest said:

This is a better look than block C.  

 

This I like. Too bad they hired a seemingly terrible graphic designer. I can’t get over the G logo, worst logo in sports.

the logo can change, whatever, but if it had to be then i am very happy with the name choice.

 

of course biden is down with it, but trump is aggrieved: 

 

https://nypost.com/2021/07/23/psaki-says-biden-onboard-with-cleveland-indians-name-change/

4 hours ago, westerninterloper said:

The Blue Sox could have been good, an homage to the Union Army, like the Columbus Blue Jackets.

 

I'd really like it if northern cities would poke a little more at the Confederacy, like say, the Cleveland Abolitionists, Liberators, Emancipators. Guardians can fit that bill, I suppose. 

 

I liked the idea of the Blues. Then Ohio could have the Blues and the Reds.

Well, they were called the Blues before the Spiders. So there is some logic to having gone back to that name in some form.

Edited July 24, 20213 yr by TBideon
Forgot to add the end

It’s an ‘OK’ nickname but this much I know - Cleveland Guardians sounds a lot better than the Charlotte, Portland or Las Vegas Guardians.  Hope that stadium lease gets figured out sooner rather than later.  

 

And no, the Dolans won’t move the team - but apparently since there are no other local CLE-based families with enough money to buy a CLE franchise these days (see the Haslams and Gilberts as an example) some out of town owner would have no problem starting somewhere else.   

i'm ok with the name change but I do wish the naming process was more transparent.  I would have liked The Dolan's to have narrowed down the choices to the top 3 and let the public vote for the final choice.   I do hope the graphics get some refinement  The font type has the "V" in Cleveland looking like a "U".  Also the Guardians font script is very reminiscent of the Indians script.   Also I can't wait to see the Guardians of Traffic  statues replacing "Slider" as our mascot. LOL

Edited July 24, 20213 yr by dave2017

1 hour ago, TBideon said:

Well, they were called the Blues before the Spiders. So there is some logic to having gone back to that name in some form.

then the cavs could change their name to a color too.

48 minutes ago, BigMacky said:

It’s an ‘OK’ nickname but this much I know - Cleveland Guardians sounds a lot better than the Charlotte, Portland or Las Vegas Guardians.  Hope that stadium lease gets figured out sooner rather than later.  

 

And no, the Dolans won’t move the team - but apparently since there are no other local CLE-based families with enough money to buy a CLE franchise these days (see the Haslams and Gilberts as an example) some out of town owner would have no problem starting somewhere else.   

 

hmm, its kinda true because if the As move to vegas or where ever i would guess they pick a new name.

Also, this:   

 

Sure invokes:   (PS:  hope it changes, but perhaps it was intentional)

 

  

 

 

Uhmmm,   copycats!  

 

 

 

Edited July 24, 20213 yr by DO_Summers
double pic

I don't mind the name change to the Cleveland Guardians.  What I am having issue with is that the script font is easily manipulated to still read "Indians". Also the shape of the lower case script "s" has a similar resemblance to the shape of Chief Wahoo's left eye. Add 2 lines and there you have the current team's name. Hopefully they will work on refining this

 

Edited July 24, 20213 yr by dave2017

11 hours ago, dave2017 said:

I ok with the name change but I do wish the naming process was a bit more transparent.  I would have liked The Dolan's to have narrowed down the choices to the top 3 and let the public vote for the final choice.   I do hope the graphics get some refinement  The font type has the "V" in Cleveland looking like a "U".  Also the Guardians font script is very reminiscent of the Indians script.   Also I can't wait to see the Guardians of Transportation statues replacing "Slider" as our mascot. LOL

 

They knew the public was going to write in "Indians", or at least "Tribe".   The latter someone would eventually have been "offended" by.

16 hours ago, mu2010 said:

I think the G logo is kind of being underrated by the collective Cleveland internet community, the wings are cool IMO. Not saying I'd have done exactly the same thing but the aesthetic is on the right track. I love that we're going to be the only Art Deco sports team.

 

It looks like the little girl's Thor helmet in Adventures In Babysitting.

5 hours ago, dave2017 said:

I don't mind the name change to the Cleveland Guardians.  What I am having issue with is that the script font is easily manipulated to still read "Indians". Also the shape of the lower case script "s" has a similar resemblance to the shape of Chief Wahoo's left eye. Add 2 lines and there you have the current team's name. Hopefully they will work on refining this

 

 

The whole idea that the original name and logo were somehow "offensive" (when Notre Dame, the Celtics, and the Mario Brothers are not) is bad enough, but some are having issues with this?   

Just proves our point that some will never be satisfied and pushback has to happen at some point.

1 hour ago, E Rocc said:

 

The whole idea that the original name and logo were somehow "offensive" (when Notre Dame, the Celtics, and the Mario Brothers are not) is bad enough, but some are having issues with this?   

Just proves our point that some will never be satisfied and pushback has to happen at some point.

Why do you think some Native Americans protest team names like the Indians, while Irish don't protest the Celtics and Fighting Irish? Read through the Native press today and you'll see almost 100% approval of dropping the Indians name. 

14 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

 

I liked the idea of the Blues. Then Ohio could have the Blues and the Reds.

Could also gone with the Cleveland Ranch Dressings, about the most Ohio name ever.  😄

Edited July 24, 20213 yr by westerninterloper