6 runs after three straight strike-outs in the inning 😂

so its the white sox, padres, mariners & orioles to finish out the month. lets see if the guards can hang with and hopefully come out ahead of these basically peer level teams.

Texas v Minnesota tomorrow. This will be a very interesting weekend. Break ahead? Slide back? Stagnate?

Just win, baby, and forget about the others.

a move up the espn power rankings this week:

 

 

13. Cleveland Guardians

 

Record: 63-55

Previous ranking: 15

 

Cleveland fans might have noticed an interesting thing in our most recent edition of Awards Watch. That is, Andres Gimenez was very close to overtaking Jose Ramirez on the AXE leaderboard listed in that update. Then Gimenez went out and hit a clutch three-run homer to beat Detroit in the first game of a doubleheader on Monday and added a two-run shot in Game 2. Thus Gimenez has surpassed Ramirez in the AXE system as the most valuable Guardian this season. Clutch homers are a big part of it. According to Fangraphs, Gimenez's six homers in high-leverage spots this season are more than any other hitter in the big leagues. His 17 high-leverage runs created are five more than any other hitter. In other words, Gimenez is having a special season, and it just keeps getting better. -- Doolittle

 

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34409338/mlb-power-rankings-week-19-there-new-top-team-al

Wtf is with concerts at Progressive Field? Aren't there enough other concert venues in Cleveland?

3 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Wtf is with concerts at Progressive Field? Aren't there enough other concert venues in Cleveland?

Not that seat 35,000

And how many more "farewell tours" is Elton John going to do? I saw him at Blossom in 1989 during one of his "farewell tours".

 

 

2 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

And how many more "farewell tours" is Elton John going to do? I saw him at Blossom in 1989 during one of his "farewell tours".

 

 

This should be it.  It's been going on for 3 years   The show is a pandemic re-schedule 

Day games today and Sunday but late games Friday and Saturday. The west coast schedules always throw me off.

 

Should be an interesting series. Ramirez, Kwan and Geminez have been a killers row lately.

I get that the franchise did not endear themselves to most fans in Cleveland by changing their name from Indians to Guardians -and I know the front office is perceived as cheap (and arguably IS) -  but - given the effort of this young team (now ranked in the USA Today top 10 power rankings) why is so it hard to get more than 11,000 fans (Tuesday night attendance)  to attend a Guardians game in Cleveland?   Really disappointing . 

Edited August 31, 20222 yr by CleveFan

Undoubtedly there are a number of reasons discussed on these forums in previous years and they still apply: Lack of promotions, general disinterest in baseball, virtually no stars, dynamic pricing and overall expense of a game, lack of championships, perception we're a farm league for other teams, many diehard fans of the 90s and early 2000s since relocated, corporate community's ambivalence, a shrinking city and stagnated region, new stadium honeymoon period long gone, etc.

Then why doesn’t the shrinking population, the lack of championships, high price per game, stagnant region and lack of a new stadium affect  the Browns?  

 

And are you validating those reasons or just  offering them as an explanation?
 

It’s clear that “the culture” in Cleveland has shifted away from baseball but the malaise with a team that’s performing so well above expectations is still a bit surprising to me.  
 

Are the local tv ratings low as well? 
 

 

7 hours ago, TBideon said:

Undoubtedly there are a number of reasons discussed on these forums in previous years and they still apply: Lack of promotions, general disinterest in baseball, virtually no stars, dynamic pricing and overall expense of a game, lack of championships, perception we're a farm league for other teams, many diehard fans of the 90s and early 2000s since relocated, corporate community's ambivalence, a shrinking city and stagnated region, new stadium honeymoon period long gone, etc.

 

This has a lot to do with the things you said than - think Occam's Razor here and the answer is simple:

 

The best teams in Indians history were in town, in a brand new ballpark, at a time when the Browns did not exist. 

 

There ya have it. 

7 hours ago, CleveFan said:

Then why doesn’t the shrinking population, the lack of championships, high price per game, stagnant region and lack of a new stadium affect  the Browns?  

 

And are you validating those reasons or just  offering them as an explanation?
 

It’s clear that “the culture” in Cleveland has shifted away from baseball but the malaise with a team that’s performing so well above expectations is still a bit surprising to me.  
 

Are the local tv ratings low as well? 
 

 

Well above expectations but still middle of the pack league-wide. They’re barely over .500.  The central is just a terrible division. I know the Guardians are generally high in the local TV ratings but who even knows if you can trust TV ratings anymore. The Cavs always seem to be at least ok with attendance even when they’re terrible, so I think some of the fault probably lies with the Guardians too.

25 minutes ago, bumsquare said:

Well above expectations but still middle of the pack league-wide. They’re barely over .500.  The central is just a terrible division. I know the Guardians are generally high in the local TV ratings but who even knows if you can trust TV ratings anymore. The Cavs always seem to be at least ok with attendance even when they’re terrible, so I think some of the fault probably lies with the Guardians too.

 

It's weird - the Guardians are BY FAR Cleveland's most successful franchise since in the last 30 years, winning % wise, and their management is also most hated by the fans. Which is really par for the course with the intelligence of most Cleveland sports fans. 

6 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

It's weird - the Guardians are BY FAR Cleveland's most successful franchise since in the last 30 years, winning % wise, and their management is also most hated by the fans. Which is really par for the course with the intelligence of most Cleveland sports fans. 

I dare to say that the Guardians have the best ownership/management in Cleveland considering how each team is on their own revenue wise. Haslam has no excuse whatsoever. The NFL has revenue sharing and he should have a better product on the field. The Dolans build good teams on a shoestring budget. 

1 minute ago, freefourur said:

I dare to say that the Guardians have the best ownership/management in Cleveland considering how each team is on their own revenue wise. Haslam has no excuse whatsoever. The NFL has revenue sharing and he should have a better product on the field. The Dolans build good teams on a shoestring budget. 

 

And people get mad when we don't retain our best players - but they're always replaced - if not individually, at least in aggregate. 

I’d also add that, for whatever reason, the generally dreadful local media coverage too. Case in point, cleveland.com right now has NINE OSU football articles and five on the Browns. The two Guardians stories, neither of which are about last night’s win, or this week’s crucial homestand, are locked behind paywalls. 

1 hour ago, YABO713 said:

The best teams in Indians history were in town, in a brand new ballpark, at a time when the Browns did not exist. 

I'm not sure the Browns departure was much of a factor. Tribe games were selling out before the Browns left after the 95 season.

 

9 hours ago, CleveFan said:

Then why doesn’t the shrinking population, the lack of championships, high price per game, stagnant region and lack of a new stadium affect  the Browns?  

 Apples to oranges.  8 or 9 games for football vs 81 games for baseball.  For many attending Browns game, it is an excuse to party all day and act like an a-hole.  The game itself is almost secondary.  

10 hours ago, CleveFan said:

Then why doesn’t the shrinking population, the lack of championships, high price per game, stagnant region and lack of a new stadium affect  the Browns?  

 

And are you validating those reasons or just  offering them as an explanation?
 

It’s clear that “the culture” in Cleveland has shifted away from baseball but the malaise with a team that’s performing so well above expectations is still a bit surprising to me.  
 

Are the local tv ratings low as well? 
 

 

Because the region has shrunk so much and become stagnant that it can't support 3 teams any longer. Front office executives even know this. I think it's also in addition to Lebron playing a majority of his career mainly, mainly while the Indians were bad in the 2000s. Pretty much my whole demographic are bigger Cavs fans than Indians/Guardians fans as a result. Baseball just isn't popular here in Cleveland anymore. The radio personalities can barely talk about it either because ratings immediately drop when they go from Browns to Guardians talk. 

 

High prices per games? lol These games are insanely cheap, you don't have to sit in the lower level to enjoy a game. Parking an issue? There's this novel thing called the rapid. Food and drink expensive? You can eat at home prior to the game. Lack of titles - I didn't realize the Cavs were a perennial champion prior to Lebron, don't even get me started on the Browns. 

 

I'm honestly surprised Dolan didn't make a serious consideration to sell the team as the lease expired to allow them to be relocated to a rapidly growing city and metro like Charlotte or Nashville. This team is to good and interesting to be only getting ~12,000 at most in September while in First place fighting for the division. There is literally no excuse, yet I always hear these excuses thrown out by fans on why they won't attend. It just boils down to the stagnant population, lack of general interest of baseball in Cleveland, as well as lack of season ticket base that can also be attributed to the overall loss of Fortune 500 and 1000 companies that provided tickets to games - these now pretty much just go the Browns and Cavs. 

 

If the Indians/Guardians were set up to leave - would this region even care? I sometimes think not besides a few people on twitter.

10 hours ago, CleveFan said:

Then why doesn’t the shrinking population, the lack of championships, high price per game, stagnant region and lack of a new stadium affect  the Browns?  

 

And are you validating those reasons or just  offering them as an explanation?
 

It’s clear that “the culture” in Cleveland has shifted away from baseball but the malaise with a team that’s performing so well above expectations is still a bit surprising to me.  
 

Are the local tv ratings low as well? 
 

 

Just offering some ideas as to why attendance has been dreadful since the Sizemore/Haffner years. Frankly attendance has never been that impressive save for the golden period 25 years ago.

 

https://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/cleiatte.shtml

 

CLEVELAND GUARDIANS ATTENDANCE DATA

 

 

Edited August 31, 20222 yr by TBideon

2 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

It's weird - the Guardians are BY FAR Cleveland's most successful franchise since in the last 30 years, winning % wise, and their management is also most hated by the fans. Which is really par for the course with the intelligence of most Cleveland sports fans. 

Undoubtedly true. But the list of players they have let leave in their prime has def hurt the franchise’s reputation. Manny, Thome, Sabathia, Cliff Lee, Bartolo Colon, Victor Martinez, Lindor. They traded Cy Young winners in consecutive seasons! I think Jose Ramirez is the only all star player they’ve retained outside of arbitration years (besides the disastrous Hafner extension). 
 

I would also say the Guardians have one pennant in 25 years while the Cavs made the finals 5 times in 12 seasons. That certainly has an effect. 

Edited August 31, 20222 yr by bumsquare

6 minutes ago, bumsquare said:

Undoubtedly true. But the list of players they have let leave in their prime has def hurt the franchise’s reputation. Manny, Thome, Sabathia, Cliff Lee, Bartolo Colon, Victor Martinez, Lindor. 

Also Brantley, Kluber, Carrasco, Gomes, and basically every other player who is close to the end of their contract.  Yes, they do manage to get young prospects in return, some of whom turn out to be very good (i.e. Clase), but once those reach the end of their contract, the cycle starts all over again.

24 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

If the Indians/Guardians were set up to leave - would this region even care? I sometimes think not besides a few people on twitter.

I think if if all three teams left, there would be surprisingly little outcry. At first, sure there would be articles and people ranting on the forums, but it would quiet.

 

The Cavs' popularity stemmed solely from the Lebron years, the Browns never really returned, and this semi-expansion team is uniquely toxic, and the Indians/Guardians fanbase has always been marginal, save for that wonderful stretch. Teams need to win championships; ours generally don't.

 

Cleveland would probably be an OSU town afterwards. 

All this hand wringing about attendance has me chuckling a bit.  Most of you don't remember the 70s and 80s when many many games were played before 2,000-4,000 fans, especially on weeknights in late August and through September-in a Stadium that held 80,000.   Average weeknight crowds in the peak of the summer were 7,000-10.000 and weekends were not much better, 12,000-14,000 unless there was some type of promotion (bat day was always the big one and could draw crowds of 50.000 or more with long lines outside the stadium as they were usually flash crowds).  Whenever there was a huge crowd for one reason or another, it actually made headlines.  I remember seeing Dennis Eckersley pitch a no-hitter on Memorial Day (I still have my ticket stub) and the crowd was about 9,000.  There of course was always talk of the team moving.

 

I know the economic dynamics are way different now, as is the state of baseball in general.  The Tribe (don't shoot me) would definitely be heading out of town today with average season attendance of 700,000 which was common in  eras past.  With all that you still had rabid fans.  The game was usually on the radio every where you went and there was a huge amount of newspaper coverage (again a different ear)

Edited August 31, 20222 yr by Htsguy

Ah yes, I remember getting to the old stadium about a half hour before game time, parking in the lot behind the bleachers (I think it was $1), buying tickets at gate D (under the big Chief Wahoo sign), stopping at the concession stand and being in the seats in time for the national anthem.  I liked to go on bat day. Distributing thousands of bats at a ballgame is something that can't be done now.

 

Is it still possible to purchase tickets at the ballpark on the day of a game or do they have to be purchased online in advance?

 

Season ticket sales has an impact on attendance.  I'm guessing that number has been dwindling in recent years.  But I would expect the number to rebound next year based on their performance this year and also due to the Ramirez contract extension.

 

Edited August 31, 20222 yr by LibertyBlvd

58 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Also Brantley, Kluber, Carrasco, Gomes, and basically every other player who is close to the end of their contract.  Yes, they do manage to get young prospects in return, some of whom turn out to be very good (i.e. Clase), but once those reach the end of their contract, the cycle starts all over again.

Edit: sorry I quoted the wrong quote. 

 

I absolutely disagree with everything said here. Since Antonneti and Francona came to town there is probably no team that flips talent at their prime for more young talent than the Guardians. All of that talent that we jettison becomes garbage afterwards. Lindor is now garbage to middling for the amount of money he's being paid, Kluber has been a train wreck since he left, Clevinger is good when he's healthy which is rarely, Bauer is good but he is suspended so would have been no help to this team.

 

Only Carrasco in this modern era is good after he left. What did we get in return for these guys? Pretty much half our first place roster including the best closer in baseball, our leadoff hitter, Steven Kwan, and Cak Quantrill who has still never lost an outing at home.

 

There's no team that does a better job of giving away talent at the right time (before a crippling contract). 

Edited August 31, 20222 yr by KFM44107

7 minutes ago, KFM44107 said:

I absolutely disagree with everything said here. Since Antonneti and Francona came to town there is probably no team that flips talent at their prime for more young talent than the Guardians. All of that talent that we jettison becomes garbage afterwards. Lindor is now garbage to middling for the amount of money he's being paid, Kluber has been a train wreck since he left, Clevinger is good when he's healthy which is rarely, Bauer is good but he is suspended so would have been no help to this team.

 

Only Carrasco in this modern era is good after he left. What did we get in return for these guys? Pretty much half our first place roster including the best closer in baseball, our leadoff hitter, Steven Kwan, and Cak Quantrill who has still never lost an outing at home.

 

There's no team that does a better job of giving away talent at the right time (before a crippling contract). 

 

Tito is the GOAT, period.   Especially at handling pitchers.   Antonetti learned well from Shapiro, who has built another great pack of young hitters in Toronto but needs help with pitchers.   

 

Side note:  has anyone ever seen Tito wearing anything that says "Guardians"?   Everything he wears on the field seems to say "Cleveland" or "Cleveland baseball".   Is he disgruntled about the change as well?

1 hour ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

This team is to good and interesting to be only getting ~12,000 at most in September while in First place fighting for the division.

 

Of all the bad takes you made - this one is worst. 

 

Tribe are averaging 17,000 per game - not great. But since August 1, most night games have drawn 22,000+, with a handful drawing over 30,000. 

The Dolans problem since day 1 has always been their trouble with marketing and controlling perception. 

 

By most other variables they're pretty much a model organization. 

 

Also while I can't prove it, my pet belief is that the team lost a great deal of fan-connection when they left Channel 43. I distinctly remember those first few seasons on cable when it was difficult to watch them play, I didn't know too many people who paid extra. You practically had to go to a bar to see them on tv.

 

Before that, everyone had a tv and everyone had Channel 43 and so you saw the team constantly. 

48 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

 

 

Season ticket sales has an impact on attendance.  I'm guessing that number has been dwindling in recent years.  But I would expect the number to rebound next year based on their performance this year and also due to the Ramirez contract extension.

 

I would imagine spending 400 million upgrading Progressive Field the next 3-4 years will help attendance to a certain extent, although that is an unknown.  Miami moved into a new ballpark and it did not help them that much.

 

All this talk about a "ball park village" should also have an affect, if it actually happens.

35 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

Tito is the GOAT, period.   Especially at handling pitchers.   Antonetti learned well from Shapiro, who has built another great pack of young hitters in Toronto but needs help with pitchers.   

 

Side note:  has anyone ever seen Tito wearing anything that says "Guardians"?   Everything he wears on the field seems to say "Cleveland" or "Cleveland baseball".   Is he disgruntled about the change as well?

My far right brother in law is of course parroting the party line that the name "change" is the reason for the lagging attendance.

1 hour ago, KFM44107 said:

Edit: sorry I quoted the wrong quote. 

 

I absolutely disagree with everything said here. Since Antonneti and Francona came to town there is probably no team that flips talent at their prime for more young talent than the Guardians. All of that talent that we jettison becomes garbage afterwards. Lindor is now garbage to middling for the amount of money he's being paid, Kluber has been a train wreck since he left, Clevinger is good when he's healthy which is rarely, Bauer is good but he is suspended so would have been no help to this team.

 

Only Carrasco in this modern era is good after he left. What did we get in return for these guys? Pretty much half our first place roster including the best closer in baseball, our leadoff hitter, Steven Kwan, and Cak Quantrill who has still never lost an outing at home.

 

There's no team that does a better job of giving away talent at the right time (before a crippling contract). 

Eh, I think they make good trades but not everybody becomes “garbage”. Brantley has made 2 all star games for Houston. I def don’t enjoy defending Bauer but he did win a Cy Young. And I guess say what you will about Lindor’s salary, but there’s no salary cap in baseball and basically any team would take a SS who is about to put up 25 HRs with 100 runs and 100 RBI on a .790 OPS.

39 minutes ago, surfohio said:

Also while I can't prove it, my pet belief is that the team lost a great deal of fan-connection when they left Channel 43. I distinctly remember those first few seasons on cable when it was difficult to watch them play, I didn't know too many people who paid extra. You practically had to go to a bar to see them on tv.

 

Before that, everyone had a tv and everyone had Channel 43 and so you saw the team constantly.

 

I hope you're wrong about this because I think it only gets worse with the Bally streaming service.

 

I'm hoping the Guardians (and Cavs) renegotiate their TV deals when the contracts are up and go elsewhere that will actually work out streaming rights to Hulu and YouTube because right now it sounds like Bally has no interest in doing this. 

WKYC used to televise a few Indians games in recent years, but I don't think they do anymore.

5 hours ago, Htsguy said:

All this hand wringing about attendance has me chuckling a bit.  Most of you don't remember the 70s and 80s when many many games were played before 2,000-4,000 fans, especially on weeknights in late August and through September-in a Stadium that held 80,000.   Average weeknight crowds in the peak of the summer were 7,000-10.000 and weekends were not much better, 12,000-14,000 unless there was some type of promotion (bat day was always the big one and could draw crowds of 50.000 or more with long lines outside the stadium as they were usually flash crowds).  Whenever there was a huge crowd for one reason or another, it actually made headlines.  I remember seeing Dennis Eckersley pitch a no-hitter on Memorial Day (I still have my ticket stub) and the crowd was about 9,000.  There of course was always talk of the team moving.

 

I know the economic dynamics are way different now, as is the state of baseball in general.  The Tribe (don't shoot me) would definitely be heading out of town today with average season attendance of 700,000 which was common in  eras past.  With all that you still had rabid fans.  The game was usually on the radio every where you went and there was a huge amount of newspaper coverage (again a different ear)

The key difference is that teams of the 70s and 80s were complete ass, while the Guardians, who have had the second best record in the MLB since Tito was hired, can't even crack a top 20 average attendance. I can't even imagine how bad attendance would be if these Guardians were as bad as the 70s and 80s Indians.

35 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

The key difference is that teams of the 70s and 80s were complete ass, while the Guardians, who have had the second best record in the MLB since Tito was hired, can't even crack a top 20 average attendance. I can't even imagine how bad attendance would be if these Guardians were as bad as the 70s and 80s Indians.

Historically, until the early 90s the Indians were a poor draw even when they had good teams.  The 50s where the last time they drew great before the 90s, and that was when they had super teams in baseball"s golden era.

 

During most of the 60s the Indians had generally competitive teams with a fair number of exciting and popular players (Don't Knock the Rock),  In 1968 the Indians finished in 3rd place against a historic Tigers team (the eventual World Series winner) and the Orioles.  On August 12, 1968 I attended my first major league baseball game with my dad (we sat in the left field upper deck).  I remember Tony Horton hit two home runs for  the Tribe and what stick out in my mind was my dad telling me to watch the scoreboard as the ball landed over the fence.  Fireworks of course went off and trumpets appeared from the side of the scoreboard.  I was sold.  But the significance of this first game, and the reason my dad took me, was not only the pennant race but the fact Denny McLain was pitching in the year he won 31 games, the first pitcher to do so since Dizzy Dean and, in fact, the last to do so.  It was a big deal that summer.  A game which should have been standing room only.  Attendance that warm summer night was 15,919.  Nobody should be knocking the Dolans. 

3 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said:

WKYC used to televise a few Indians games in recent years, but I don't think they do anymore.

 

They did one like a week ago, whatever the fundraiser(?) game was.

4 hours ago, Htsguy said:

My far right brother in law is of course parroting the party line that the name "change" is the reason for the lagging attendance.

 

Been to a couple games this year, including opening day. I couldn't believe just how many people had on Guardians stuff. Sure you see your share of Keep the Chief shirts or some other GV Art crap, but seems like most game going fans don't care and are there for the baseball. 

 

Was talking with someone who was like "I don't watch since then..." these same people also probably "stopped" watching football. I'm sure they'll come around when Guards are in a World Series, staunch stances only go so far lol

22 hours ago, E Rocc said:

Side note:  has anyone ever seen Tito wearing anything that says "Guardians"?   Everything he wears on the field seems to say "Cleveland" or "Cleveland baseball".   Is he disgruntled about the change as well?

 

That would be a fun theory - but Tito actually advocated for the name change over the last 2-3 seasons. 

18 hours ago, Htsguy said:

Historically, until the early 90s the Indians were a poor draw even when they had good teams.  The 50s where the last time they drew great before the 90s, and that was when they had super teams in baseball"s golden era.

 

During most of the 60s the Indians had generally competitive teams with a fair number of exciting and popular players (Don't Knock the Rock),  In 1968 the Indians finished in 3rd place against a historic Tigers team (the eventual World Series winner) and the Orioles.  On August 12, 1968 I attended my first major league baseball game with my dad (we sat in the left field upper deck).  I remember Tony Horton hit two home runs for  the Tribe and what stick out in my mind was my dad telling me to watch the scoreboard as the ball landed over the fence.  Fireworks of course went off and trumpets appeared from the side of the scoreboard.  I was sold.  But the significance of this first game, and the reason my dad took me, was not only the pennant race but the fact Denny McLain was pitching in the year he won 31 games, the first pitcher to do so since Dizzy Dean and, in fact, the last to do so.  It was a big deal that summer.  A game which should have been standing room only.  Attendance that warm summer night was 15,919.  Nobody should be knocking the Dolans. 

 

It was the Jacobs family that turned the Tribe around from that point, though the Dolans have done a decent job of maintaining that momentum.   

Correct. 

 

https://www.news-herald.com/2019/04/01/if-not-for-d*ck-jacobs-indians-might-not-call-cleveland-home-jeff-schudel/

2 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Correct. 

 

https://www.news-herald.com/2019/04/01/if-not-for-d*ck-jacobs-indians-might-not-call-cleveland-home-jeff-schudel/

 

Leaving aside the fact that "naming rights" are obnoxious to begin with, the ballpark should have stayed "Jacobs Field" and that's what I continue to call it.

another problem is dolan is little dolan and the guardians are an afterthought in the family, so when msg needs a new coat of paint the tribe/guards can’t pony up with publicity $$$, to keep star players or get the big free agents.

 

also, i’m guessing viewership is floating the boat pretty well lately, but i would like to know how much more they make with cable now than when games were on channel 43 regularly for so many decades. i mean sure its more contractual money up front, but certainly they are well aware of the immense loss they suffer in exposure and publicity. i dont understand the thinking in how having games on all the time on easily available broadcast tv and the related advertizing around them isn’t a much better situation for the organization.

38 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

another problem is dolan is little dolan and the guardians are an afterthought in the family, so when msg needs a new coat of paint the tribe/guards can’t pony up with publicity $$$, to keep star players or get the big free agents.

 

also, i’m guessing viewership is floating the boat pretty well lately, but i would like to know how much more they make with cable now than when games were on channel 43 regularly for so many decades. i mean sure its more contractual money up front, but certainly they are well aware of the immense loss they suffer in exposure and publicity. i dont understand the thinking in how having games on all the time on easily available broadcast tv and the related advertizing around them isn’t a much better situation for the organization.

 

They did sign JRam, so it's not like they are the A's or anything like that.   But your point holds.

^ yes, an extension at the expense of letting who go later? we’ll see. we’ll never know how big the pot of gold the organization has to play with really is.

 

and i would guess outside of seeming to have operations expertise and hopefully interest in getting a ballpark village going, the new minority ownership probably cant help much in that cash flow area.

Aaron Civale, Zach Plesac on injured list.

 

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/mlb/cleveland-guardians/cleveland-guardians-aaron-civale-zach-plesac-injured-list/95-fe21590a-25f5-4117-af48-2fcb03ccad49

even tho the slumping guardians lost last night and it was a boring game, it was very nice to be able to stay home and just watch them out here in ny on national tv — along with switching to the nd-osu game a bit.

We were at the game last night.  Beautiful evening.  Lots of fans there.  Great fireworks show afterwards.  Unfortunately, the fireworks were limited to post game.  How often do you have:

  1.  Nine hits and no runs scored. +

  2. An error on a potential double play ball +

  3. Two runs allowed on bases loaded walks +

  4.  Potential run scoring situations killed by a runner thrown out trying to steal second and two double plays turned against you?

 

It was fun though.  Hot dogs were tasty..

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 4, 20222 yr by urb-a-saurus