Theres path-dependency in play in stuff like this. May I suggest as a first step: https://cincinnatiideas.com/2017/04/20/cincinnati-needs-people-vision-10000/

 

Also, Downtown, OTR, and the West End need real urbanism, not drive-to urbanism.  That means the zoning has to be changed so that buildings can be built with zero parking.  Building new high-end apartment buildings where every resident has a space in a garage does not work. 

 

 

There’s path-dependency in play in stuff like this. May I suggest as a first step: https://cincinnatiideas.com/2017/04/20/cincinnati-needs-people-vision-10000/

 

Also, Downtown, OTR, and the West End need real urbanism, not drive-to urbanism.  That means the zoning has to be changed so that buildings can be built with zero parking.  Building new high-end apartment buildings where every resident has a space in a garage does not work. 

 

If you want a car, move to Mt. Auburn. There's plenty of vacant lots that can accommodate a small garage, or allow for easy on-street parking.

I think Cincinnati leadership knew they were not going to get HQ2 but hoping to get on the finalist list in order to elevate the city's national profile for other potential site selection opportunities. Before the city was not on the national radar in any meaningful way, but now it is so in a somewhat tarnished light as an HQ2 also-ran.

 

I honestly don't think missing out casts Cincinnati, Cleveland, or other similar cities in a negative light.

 

Does anyone here care that St. Louis didn't make the list? Milwaukee? Detroit? Memphis? Charlotte? Orlando? Tampa? Houston? New Orleans? Minneapolis?

 

No. No one will remember. I agree it's free publicity for Pittsburgh, Columbus, Indy, etc. But it doesn't in any way hurt the image of Cincinnati that we didn't make the cut for the final 20.

 

And yet again Pittsburgh gets free publicity when Cincinnati doesn't.  Its a game that Cincy should play a bit more often ;).

I think Cincinnati leadership knew they were not going to get HQ2 but hoping to get on the finalist list in order to elevate the city's national profile for other potential site selection opportunities. Before the city was not on the national radar in any meaningful way, but now it is so in a somewhat tarnished light as an HQ2 also-ran.

 

I honestly don't think missing out casts Cincinnati, Cleveland, or other similar cities in a negative light.

 

Does anyone here care that St. Louis didn't make the list? Milwaukee? Detroit? Memphis? Charlotte? Orlando? Tampa? Houston? New Orleans? Minneapolis?

 

No. No one will remember. I agree it's free publicity for Pittsburgh, Columbus, Indy, etc. But it doesn't in any way hurt the image of Cincinnati that we didn't make the cut for the final 20.

 

And yet again Pittsburgh gets free publicity when Cincinnati doesn't.  Its a game that Cincy should play a bit more often ;).

 

You keep pretending that Pittsburgh gets a monumental amount of attention over Cincinnati. I really don't think that's the case.

 

Cincinnati was listed as the #8 place to visit in the world to visit this year by the New York Times. I would much rather have that than make it to the final 20 list of Amazon HQ2, and then get passed over by a bigger city.

 

I agree that this is good publicity for Pittsburgh, but it really isn't that big of a deal. Once they announce they are going to Boston or Atlanta or Chicago, no one is going to remember that Pittsburgh was on the list.

When you have hollywood productions like Amolisa or John From Cincinnati using Cincinnati as a stand-in for anywhere middle USA that's a problem.  The city is way more unique than that.

 

I've been on national urbanist discussion groups where Cincinnati got brought up multiple times as a city that has the least distinct local culture, usually from coastal folks who were completely ignorant of the Midwest.  Pittsburgh was never brought up - people know Pittsburgh.  I've seen multiple posts from people from NYC or SF mentioning Pittsburgh as a place they'd move to if they got priced out of their city... its real.

When you have hollywood productions like Amolisa or John From Cincinnati using Cincinnati as a stand-in for anywhere middle USA that's a problem.  The city is way more unique than that.

 

I've been on national urbanist discussion groups where it got brought up multiple times as a city that has the least distinct local culture, usually from coastal folks who were completely ignorant of the Midwest.  Pittsburgh was never brought up - people know Pittsburgh.  I've seen multiple posts from people from NYC or SF mentioning Pittsburgh as a place they'd move to if they got priced out of their city... its real.

 

I remember a few years ago reading articles about how Columbus was promoting itself with actual advertisements in other cities.  Does Cincinnati do anything like that?

Not at all.

 

Columbus was all over those large recycle cans in the loop in Chicago, maybe not the best choice of place to advertise, but they actually made a pretty good pitch to Chicagoans:

 

http://www.pewtrusts.org/~/media/post-launch-images/2015/04/sln_april3/sln_april3_16x9.jpg

 

Cincinnati doesn't even advertise itself as a roadtrip destionation.  Even Kalamazoo does that.  In fact almost every major city within driving distance to Chicago has ads for itself except for one notable exception...

When you have hollywood productions like Amolisa or John From Cincinnati using Cincinnati as a stand-in for anywhere middle USA that's a problem.  The city is way more unique than that.

 

I've been on national urbanist discussion groups where it got brought up multiple times as a city that has the least distinct local culture, usually from coastal folks who were completely ignorant of the Midwest.  Pittsburgh was never brought up - people know Pittsburgh.  I've seen multiple posts from people from NYC or SF mentioning Pittsburgh as a place they'd move to if they got priced out of their city... its real.

 

Yeah I'm very surprised by that. We have a great local culture here in Cincinnati with alot of nationally known events like Oktoberfest etc. I would argue coastal people saying this have not visited nor know anyone from here. At least we are finally getting props from more movies that show off downtown and otr and some even blatently saying they are in Cincinnati.

Now that Amazon's HQ2 guessing game has concluded for Cincinnati, it's time to turn attention to Apple's new big business solicitation, right?  Well, our powerful hometown newspaper has done just that this morning!  Whether be it that you laugh or cry, get a good look at today's Enquirer front page - more than ever, it proves that Cincinnati's on top of the situation from the very get-go!  ;D 

Curse you for making me go to that rag's site for the first time in over a year!  Cuuuurrrrssseee yooouuuuu...  :P

Now that Amazon's HQ2 guessing game has concluded for Cincinnati, it's time to turn attention to Apple's new big business solicitation, right?  Well, our powerful hometown newspaper has done just that this morning!  Whether be it that you laugh or cry, get a good look at today's Enquirer front page - more than ever, it proves that Cincinnati's on top of the situation from the very get-go!  ;D 

 

Right. Would an Apple store even be placed at the Banks, let alone an Apple HQ2? If not, why not? That’s what we need to work on.

 

That and there’s less overlap of Cincinnati’s business strengths with Apple than there was with Amazon.

 

 

I think Cincinnati leadership knew they were not going to get HQ2 but hoping to get on the finalist list in order to elevate the city's national profile for other potential site selection opportunities. Before the city was not on the national radar in any meaningful way, but now it is so in a somewhat tarnished light as an HQ2 also-ran.

 

I honestly don't think missing out casts Cincinnati, Cleveland, or other similar cities in a negative light.

 

Does anyone here care that St. Louis didn't make the list? Milwaukee? Detroit? Memphis? Charlotte? Orlando? Tampa? Houston? New Orleans? Minneapolis?

 

No. No one will remember. I agree it's free publicity for Pittsburgh, Columbus, Indy, etc. But it doesn't in any way hurt the image of Cincinnati that we didn't make the cut for the final 20.

 

It's free publicity for Amazon. The reason to release a 'finalist' list of 20 cities is to get another round of press in all these cities (and the 218 that weren't chosen) and try to get another round of concessions from the finalists. I would have to imagine they've got their list down to 3-5 (assuming they didn't actually have it chosen before this whole process began)

^ You nailed it.  Seattle's fiendishly clever genius now has 20 cities running around in desperation scrounging whatever they can grab to offer him.  Meanwhile, Cincinnati can just sit back and be entertained by all the action, keeping in mind it's already won Amazon's second biggest prize...their global air-freight operation [/member] CVG.

 

Coincidentally and of interest is an article from the urbanist Aaron M. Wrenn on same:

http://www.urbanophile.com/2018/01/18/amazon-hq2-first-cut-designed-to-keep-america-guessing/

^ You nailed it.  Seattle's fiendishly clever genius now has 20 cities running around in desperation scrounging whatever they can grab to offer him.  Meanwhile, Cincinnati can just sit back and be entertained by all the action, keeping in mind it's already won Amazon's second biggest prize...their global air-freight operation [/member] CVG.

 

Coincidentally and of interest is an article from the urbanist Aaron M. Wrenn on same:

http://www.urbanophile.com/2018/01/18/amazon-hq2-first-cut-designed-to-keep-america-guessing/

 

Low level workers in sweatshop conditions who could be from anywhere is not anywhere near the same as a giagantic office full of highly paid workers who are most importantly from other parts of the country because there is not enough of these kinds of workers in the Cincy area.  Bring in a large number outsiders to disrupt the status quo would do wonders for Cincinnati's attitudes.

 

Its good to have jobs that don't require degrees I'll agree with that, but said jobs are pretty terrible IMO and won't provide the kinds of cultural benefits that HQ2 would have caused.

 

Apple HQ2 is a nice idea, but IMO Apple is even more image conscious than Amazon is - I've been to their campus and the engineers walking around were some of the best dressed I've seen...  How is a city that is a (unjust) standin for anywhere USA going to impress a company that cares so much about image?

 

Also Apple is a slowly sinking ship as its literal head has been cut off.  I don't see them making up for not having Steve Jobs pushing them forward - they've been loosing market share in a lot of key areas and haven't been able to unveil a product that has the kind of buzz the iPhone or iPad had when it first came out...

^ You nailed it.  Seattle's fiendishly clever genius now has 20 cities running around in desperation scrounging whatever they can grab to offer him.  Meanwhile, Cincinnati can just sit back and be entertained by all the action, keeping in mind it's already won Amazon's second biggest prize...their global air-freight operation [/member] CVG.

 

Coincidentally and of interest is an article from the urbanist Aaron M. Wrenn on same:

http://www.urbanophile.com/2018/01/18/amazon-hq2-first-cut-designed-to-keep-america-guessing/

 

Last week I talked on the phone with a guy offering to buy my vacant lots in Cincinnati.  I told him I wasn't interested in selling until the Amazon HQ2 thing was announced.  I predicted to him that "I imagine they'll announce 8 finalists or something like that".  I was off by 12. 

 

 

Mercy Health, Ohio's largest hospital system, to merge with Maryland network

 

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/02/22/mercy-health-merge-bon-secours-health-system/362456002/

 

In a merger that could shake Greater Cincinnati’s health landscape, Mercy Health, Ohio’s largest health care system, is joining forces with another major Catholic hospital network based in Maryland.

 

Few details have been hammered out, such as a name, the leadership and the fate of Mercy's gleaming new Bond Hill headquarters. The deal is expected to close by year’s end.

Mercy Health, Ohio's largest hospital system, to merge with Maryland network

 

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/02/22/mercy-health-merge-bon-secours-health-system/362456002/

 

In a merger that could shake Greater Cincinnati’s health landscape, Mercy Health, Ohio’s largest health care system, is joining forces with another major Catholic hospital network based in Maryland.

 

Few details have been hammered out, such as a name, the leadership and the fate of Mercy's gleaming new Bond Hill headquarters. The deal is expected to close by year’s end.

 

As Mercy is the larger system and just built a new HQ i am hoping the merged HQ is here.

"Cincinnati had the fourth-lowest rate of job growth among the 40 largest metro areas, with non-farm payroll employment increasing just 0.5% between September 2017 and September 2018."

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-economy-by-metro-area-ranked-san-francisco-seattle-austin-2018-4#32-philadelphia-camden-wilmington-pa-nj-de-md-9

 

THIS is why property values aren't rising in Cincinnati, not because too many houses were built on purpose.

^ Sept 2018?? Ok.

 

 

^ Sept 2018?? Ok.

 

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-economy-by-metro-area-ranked-san-francisco-seattle-austin-2018-4#32-philadelphia-camden-wilmington-pa-nj-de-md-9

 

Yes.  Any article with a gaffe this big loses all credibility:  "Cincinnati had the fourth-lowest rate of job growth among the 40 largest metro areas, with non-farm payroll employment increasing just 0.5% between September 2017 and September 2018."

 

^ Sept 2018?? Ok.

 

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-economy-by-metro-area-ranked-san-francisco-seattle-austin-2018-4#32-philadelphia-camden-wilmington-pa-nj-de-md-9

 

Yes.  Any article with a gaffe this big loses all credibility:  "Cincinnati had the fourth-lowest rate of job growth among the 40 largest metro areas, with non-farm payroll employment increasing just 0.5% between September 2017 and September 2018."

 

See for yourself at www.bls.gov/eag. It has all metro job numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. This is all widely available to investors and businesses. It's no secret that Cincinnati simply isn't creating jobs like it's peer metros.

It's no secret that Cincinnati simply isn't creating jobs like it's peer metros.

 

The San Francisco FRB offered a study a couple of months ago that attributes the apparent lagging growth in older east-of-the-Mississippi metro areas to the large number of baby-boomer retirements in those areas.  The boomer retirements are disguising the growth that's occurring in younger age segments. Those retirements are also serving to disguise wage growth.

 

This is one version of it:

https://www.frbsf.org/our-district/about/sf-fed-blog/boomer-retirement-weighing-down-us-equity-markets/

Fifth Third to buy MB Financial

 

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20180521/NEWS01/180529997/fifth-third-to-buy-mb-financial-in-4-7-billion-deal

Fifth Third is buying Chicago's MB Financial in a $4.7 billion deal that suddenly vaults a perennial local also-ran into the upper echelon of commercial banks here and at the same time takes out a major Chicago-based lender.

 

...

 

Cincinnati-based Fifth Third has struggled to get traction in Chicago ever since entering the market 17 years ago. This deal will make Chicago by far the biggest market for Fifth Third, surpassing its home town of Cincinnati.

 

It will vault Fifth Third to fourth in the Chicago market measured by deposits, trailing only JPMorgan Chase, BMO Harris and Bank of America. Fifth Third says, too, that it will have the second-largest market share for lending to middle-market companies, perhaps the most important battleground in Chicago for these banks.

 

The transaction will be mainly stock, with 10 percent of the proceeds in cash. At Fifth Third's current stock price, MB Financial shareholders would be getting $54.20 for their shares, a 24 percent premium to MB Financial's closing price May 18. That represents a generous 2.67 times MB Financial's tangible book value.

Cintas made the F500 for the first time.

 

•  Kroger at No. 17 with $122.7 billion

 

•  Procter & Gamble at No. 42 with $66.2 billion

 

•  Macy’s at No. 120 with $24.8 billion

 

•  Fifth Third at No. 366 with $7.7 billion

 

•  American Financial Group at No. 413 with $6.9 billion

 

•  AK Steel at No. 461 with $6.1 billion

 

•  Western & Southern Financial at No. 476 with $5.8 billion

 

•  Cincinnati Financial at No. 484 with $5.7 billion

 

•  Cintas at No. 500 with $5.4 billion

 

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/2018/05/21/cintas-makes-fortune-500-cincinnati-keeps-eight-total/627982002/

Shouldn't the company formerly known as Vantiv/now called Wordplay easily be in the top 500 after the two companies combined? 

Shouldn't the company formerly known as Vantiv/now called Wordplay easily be in the top 500 after the two companies combined?

 

The merger was only completed in January so that might explain why it's not included here. It's going to be tough for Mason to hold onto this operation. The appeal of Atlanta or Chicago for a business of this size will be hard to resist, though back office operations could certainly remain in Mason. They had their eyes on Atlanta just a few years ago. http://www.worldpay.com/sites/default/files/Worldpay_to_Relocate_US_Headquarters_FINAL.pdf

 

 

I could see them moving to Charlotte, also.

I could see them moving to Charlotte, also.

 

I'd agree. They won't be able to get the people they want in Cincinnati.

Actually Vantiv was the buyer in this deal and had its start in Cincinnati.  They just assumed the Worldpay name after the purchase.  While there are no guarantees the chances of the HQ staying here are relatively good.

Actually Vantiv was the buyer in this deal and had its start in Cincinnati.  They just assumed the Worldpay name after the purchase.  While there are no guarantees the chances of the HQ staying here are relatively good.

 

We can hope.

Actually Vantiv was the buyer in this deal and had its start in Cincinnati.  They just assumed the Worldpay name after the purchase.  While there are no guarantees the chances of the HQ staying here are relatively good.

As you mentioned, Worldpay (acquired by Vantiv) will undoubtedly remain in Cincinnati and become its next F500 company:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/01/16/cincinnati-might-have-just-added-a-fortune-500.html

 

Unfortunately, there's an outside chance that this new company could also be acquired by the nation's largest bank:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/05/14/worldpay-could-be-acquisition-target-analyst-says.html

I could see them moving to Charlotte, also.

 

I'd agree. They won't be able to get the people they want in Cincinnati.

O really you think so?  No way.....

Actually Vantiv was the buyer in this deal and had its start in Cincinnati.  They just assumed the Worldpay name after the purchase.  While there are no guarantees the chances of the HQ staying here are relatively good.

As you mentioned, Worldpay (acquired by Vantiv) will undoubtedly remain in Cincinnati and become its next F500 company:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/01/16/cincinnati-might-have-just-added-a-fortune-500.html

 

Unfortunately, there's an outside chance that this new company could also be acquired by the nation's largest bank:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/05/14/worldpay-could-be-acquisition-target-analyst-says.html

 

Correct - I had seen this article but was focusing on the odds of the current company remaining here.  M&A activity is unpredictable and could happen at any time or not.

I could see them moving to Charlotte, also.

 

I'd agree. They won't be able to get the people they want in Cincinnati.

O really you think so?  No way.....

 

Yes way no way doesn't make for a very useful discussion. Any reasons for your assertion? I gave some reasons. You could respond to those.

I could see them moving to Charlotte, also.

 

I'd agree. They won't be able to get the people they want in Cincinnati.

O really you think so?  No way.....

 

Yes way no way doesn't make for a very useful discussion. Any reasons for your assertion? I gave some reasons. You could respond to those.

 

Actually, no, you didn't give any reasons. 

Haven't you heard? Cincinnati is obviously an undesirable, backwards city and all of our remaining Fortune 500 companies will leave within the next 18 months due to the slow pace of progress here.  ::)

Haven't you heard? Cincinnati is obviously an undesirable, backwards city and all of our remaining Fortune 500 companies will leave within the next 18 months due to the slow pace of progress here.  ::)

 

Who wrote that?

Well, I mean, they won't be able to get the people they want in Cincinnati, so obviously they will all leave.

I could see them moving to Charlotte, also.

 

I'd agree. They won't be able to get the people they want in Cincinnati.

O really you think so?  No way.....

 

Yes way no way doesn't make for a very useful discussion. Any reasons for your assertion? I gave some reasons. You could respond to those.

 

Actually, no, you didn't give any reasons.

 

I said i think that Cincy is too small and doesn't have enough professionals to satisfy the demands of a multinational like Vantiv/worldpay. If you think otherwise, tell us about it.

Well, I mean, they won't be able to get the people they want in Cincinnati, so obviously they will all leave.

 

Who said that?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/22/lisnr-2018-disruptor-50.html

 

Here's a promising example to demonstrate to investors what can be achieved in Cincinnati. Still, we should remember that it was the state of Ohio that provided key investment in Lisnr's initial stage, not anyone in Cincinnati itself. There is hope brothers and sisters! Being realistic about Cincinnati's place in the world will not destroy us. It will make us stronger!

I said i think that Cincy is too small and doesn't have enough professionals to satisfy the demands of a multinational like Vantiv/worldpay. If you think otherwise, tell us about it.

 

It's a direct measure of your argument's quality that a counter-argument of "nuh-uh" would have equivalent soundness and evidentiary support. If you wonder why people don't seem to be responding to you as directly as you'd like, that's why.

I said i think that Cincy is too small and doesn't have enough professionals to satisfy the demands of a multinational like Vantiv/worldpay. If you think otherwise, tell us about it.

 

It's a direct measure of your argument's quality that a counter-argument of "nuh-uh" would have equivalent soundness and evidentiary support. If you wonder why people don't seem to be responding to you as directly as you'd like, that's why.

 

I don't really understand your first sentence. Most here use this forum as a sort of electronic water cooler to gather around and relax while getting things off of their chest and they use Cincinnati as a sort of 'meme' through which to do it. They don't come here looking for challenging or carefully thought out discussions about Cincinnati. I'm the nerdy annoying guy who joins the group who are laughing and joking by bringing up serious or challenging ideas. That's fine with me.

I don't really understand your first sentence. Most here use this forum as a sort of electronic water cooler to gather around and relax while getting things off of their chest and they use Cincinnati as a sort of 'meme' through which to do it. They don't come here looking for challenging or carefully thought out discussions about Cincinnati. I'm the nerdy annoying guy who joins the group who are laughing and joking by bringing up serious or challenging ideas. That's fine with me.

 

I disagree with literally everything in this paragraph.

Most here use this forum as a sort of electronic water cooler to gather around and relax while getting things off of their chest and they use Cincinnati as a sort of 'meme' through which to do it. They don't come here looking for challenging or carefully thought out discussions about Cincinnati.

 

I don't think that statement could be further from the truth. Nearly every thread in the Southwest Ohio Projects & Construction board is full of serious discussions about specific projects. A large percentage of people on this board are architects, urban planners, developers, historians, or long-time urban residents who have the expertise to discuss the ins-and-outs of various projects happening in the city.

I'm the nerdy annoying guy who joins the group who are laughing and joking by bringing up serious or challenging ideas. That's fine with me.

 

The problem is that you don't bring up serious or challenging ideas at all.  You only come to this forum as a whiny ^[/member]#$%$ with little real information to share and even less understanding of the issues you bring up.  This loser, Eeyore mentality you bring with you without proposing any ideas on ways to improve situations other than spend millions of dollars on vagaries is draining and pointlessly trolly.

I'm the nerdy annoying guy who joins the group who are laughing and joking by bringing up serious or challenging ideas. That's fine with me.

 

The problem is that you don't bring up serious or challenging ideas at all.  You only come to this forum as a whiny ^[/member]#$%$ with little real information to share and even less understanding of the issues you bring up.  This loser, Eeyore mentality you bring with you without proposing any ideas on ways to improve situations other than spend millions of dollars on vagaries is draining and pointlessly trolly.

 

Just ignore me. I ignore much of what is posted here because I find it naive, foolish, or just not useful or interesting. This is just an online forum. It's not a religion.

Most here use this forum as a sort of electronic water cooler to gather around and relax while getting things off of their chest and they use Cincinnati as a sort of 'meme' through which to do it. They don't come here looking for challenging or carefully thought out discussions about Cincinnati.

 

I don't think that statement could be further from the truth. Nearly every thread in the Southwest Ohio Projects & Construction board is full of serious discussions about specific projects. A large percentage of people on this board are architects, urban planners, developers, historians, or long-time urban residents who have the expertise to discuss the ins-and-outs of various projects happening in the city.

 

Really!? That's surprising. Even professionals can get confused or be misguided when straying beyond their area of expertise. That's what I see in many posts here. I'm sure we'll all be fine if we just respond to that which we find useful or interesting.

they use Cincinnati as a sort of 'meme' through which to do it.

 

I'm the nerdy annoying guy who joins the group who are laughing and joking by bringing up serious or challenging ideas. That's fine with me.

 

The problem is that you don't bring up serious or challenging ideas at all.  You only come to this forum as a whiny ^[/member]#$%$ with little real information to share and even less understanding of the issues you bring up.  This loser, Eeyore mentality you bring with you without proposing any ideas on ways to improve situations other than spend millions of dollars on vagaries is draining and pointlessly trolly.

 

Just ignore me. I ignore much of what is posted here because I find it naive, foolish, or just not useful or interesting. This is just an online forum. It's not a religion.

 

LOLZ!