April 26, 20241 yr down it goes — 🙀 https://www.instagram.com/reel/C33DXx8Jg15/?igsh=MTZ2aXVzeWF4a3libQ==
April 30, 20241 yr Ryan Homes plans 422 townhouses in Elyria mixed-use project STAN BULLARD April 29, 2024 Quote In what promises to be a more than $200 million project when completed, Ryan Homes (NYSE: NVR) of Reston, Virginia, announced plans with DBRL Realty to develop a 55-acre site with townhouses and retail in Elyria. ... Elyria Mayor Ken Brubaker said after the announcement that the site has access to utility infrastructure such as sewer and waterlines and that Ryan has not asked for an incentive so far. Housing may go in on the property because Elyria City Council already has installed an overlay zoning plan for the site. ... About 10 acres would be reserved for retail development, primarily restaurants, Dan Reaser said. A parcel will also be donated to Elyria to use for a new fire station, he added. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/ryan-homes-dbrl-realty-plan-422-townhouses-retail-elyria-site
May 4, 20241 yr ICP chosen to "redevelop" Midway Mall - aka chop it up into warehouse or industrial spaces... https://chroniclet.com/news/389809/icp-to-pay-17-million-for-midway-mall-part-of-42-million-total-investment/
May 5, 20241 yr so no innovative food center? no surprize that plan was just too out there for lorain county. it will just be some lame, bugly highway office park. oh well. that's ok. at least it will be put back to good use and bring jobs and tax money. plus a new marriott courtyard hotel, so thats a win too.
May 5, 20241 yr fyi -- oberlin allen memorial art museum closing for the summer -- Museum Closure in Summer 2024 March 1, 2024 In 2021, Oberlin College began work on the “Sustainable Infrastructure Program,” or SIP, which entails converting the campus heating system from steam to hot water, with the goal of achieving carbon neutrality by 2025. The Allen Memorial Art Museum had already undertaken this green heating and cooling approach as part of a major 2009–11 renovation that saw geothermal wells sunk in the museum’s north lawn and a complete updating of the museum’s heating, ventilation, air conditioning, and associated systems—a project that earned Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) Gold certification. Now, the museum’s existing systems are slated to be hooked into the campus’s new system during summer 2024. Regretfully, this will entail the closure of the museum to the public starting May 27 and throughout the summer. We are taking this rare opportunity of a closure to install new carpeting on the second floor, refinish flooring in the Nord and Willard-Newall galleries, and study lighting upgrades for the East Gallery, among other projects. We are grateful for the partnership of the Oberlin College Facilities Planning and Construction staff in this work, and look forward to welcoming you back to a refreshed museum in the autumn. https://amam.oberlin.edu/news/2024/03/01/museum-closure-in-summer-2024
May 16, 20241 yr Bartlett Maritime awarded contract to train submarine repair employees By: News 5 Staff Posted at 7:12 AM, Mar 06, 2024 and last updated 8:15 AM, Mar 06, 2024 A Cleveland based company is moving forward with part of its plan to build "capability and capacity in America's submarine industrial base." more: https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/we-follow-through/bartlett-maritime-awarded-contract-to-bring-submarine-repairs-to-ohio
May 16, 20241 yr ^ It is really interesting to contemplate a significant return to shipbuilding/repair to Lorain.
May 16, 20241 yr This will be pretty cool assuming they’ll stay at water level as they come in this could be our equivalent of whale watching
May 16, 20241 yr I don't think we'll see any subs (of a conventional sort) offshore; but the travelling team approach is an interesting foot-in-the-door to further Navy work. If Bartlett can meet the Subsafe/Level 1 requirements for submarine repair/overhaul work, which are excruciatingly exacting, they are almost guaranteed lots of follow-on contracts. Future shipbuilding in Lorain? Pure speculation on my part: There are plans for unmanned vessels that "might-could" be built in Lorain. If Bartlett can prove itself with welding and component repair, they could possible team up with Great Lakes Towing and get into the shipbuilding business. It doesn't even have to be in Lorain; it could be at the Great Lakes Towing place in the Old River. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 18, 20241 yr politicians were just laying into the navy secretary over shipbuilding -- that can only help bartlett -- Senate hearing gets testy over shipbuilding woes, climate change Navy Secretary Carlos Del Toro said he has tried to be “honest, transparent and deeply committed to turning things around.” CONNOR O’BRIEN 05/16/2024 ... Del Toro faced intense backlash from GOP senators over his focus on climate change, though concerns about shipbuilding delays — and whether the service’s budget for ships is enough — are bipartisan. A recent Navy review found delays of up to several years in the service's top programs, including construction of aircraft carriers, submarines and a new frigate. Del Toro argued that decades of Navy policy have led to this point and has highlighted the impacts of the pandemic and worker shortages as major recent hurdles. He also dinged defense contractors for using profits to repurchase stock, arguing some companies are putting shareholder interests over the needs of their customer, the Navy. more: https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/05/16/congress/senate-hearing-armed-services-del-toro-sullivan-shipbuilding-00158422
July 24, 2024Jul 24 nice summary for lorain city — more: https://www.cityoflorain.org/500/Active-Transportation-Planning
July 31, 2024Jul 31 Boom! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 31, 2024Jul 31 ^ man thats really hard to believe — fingers crossed the new development works out
July 31, 2024Jul 31 speaking of i hope it works out well — very cool — 👍 CLEVELAND NEWS Back Home in Lorain After Decades in California, Pro Skater Chad Muska Wants to Build Ohio's Best Skatepark The city and the skater are working in tandem to one day bring skate dreams to reality By Mark Oprea on Wed, Jul 31, 2024 … For the past four years, Muska has been partnering with a group of city boosters and like-aged skaters and BMXers to design and hopefully build his hometown’s first official skatepark. A park, that is, worthy of Muska’s reputation: some ten-thousand square feet of launch ramps, faux staircases, jellybean bowls, hand rails and stands for spectators of future contests. The only problem? Money, of course. So far there’s a $200,000 grant from the city, which arrived this year and portions of which have been spent on design and renderings. It could be renewed for 2025 if certain benchmarks are met. Outside of that, other fundraising hasn’t gotten off the ground much, with $20,000 secured so far. But the goal is a park that would lift Lorain to national levels. “I want to see people of all ages and abilities,” Linda O’Connor, an administrative assistant in Lorain’s Department of Public Property, said sitting behind her desk, in some industrial park on the west side of town. “I want to see families having picnics. I want to see skateboard competitions. I want eyes to be on our skatepark.” She held up a piece of paper that resembled a skater’s mood board, of ramps in Colorado and Tennessee. “I think we have the potential to have a park unlike anything this part of the country has ever seen.” more: https://www.clevescene.com/news/back-home-in-lorain-after-decades-in-california-pro-skater-chad-muska-wants-to-build-ohios-best-skatepark-44831237 Photo by Mark Oprea — Chad Muska at the site of what could be Lorain's skatepark Courtesy Spohn Ranch Skateparks — Renderings of what the skatepark might look like
August 16, 2024Aug 16 two major lorain brownfield sites will get cleaned up — 👍 It's been an eyesore for years. Now, cleanup is coming. By: Catherine Ross Posted 6:32 PM, Aug 14, 2024 LORAIN, Ohio — A pair of nuisance properties in Lorain are receiving funds for long-sought cleanup and redevelopment. The Lorain County Land Bank was recently awarded nearly $11.4 million from the Ohio Brownfield Remediation Program to remove debris and environmental hazards at Lorain’s former St. Joseph’s Hospital site and revitalize the former Stove Works industrial property. “This is as excited as we’ve been in many years and we have a reason for that,” said Lorain Safety Service Director Rey Carrion of the reinvestment in blighted property. more: https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/we-follow-through/its-been-an-eyesore-for-years-now-cleanup-is-coming
August 16, 2024Aug 16 also, more jobs on the way in lorain and around ohio — Governor DeWine, Lt. Governor Husted Announces Approval of New Projects Expected to Create 1,600 Jobs, More Than $185 Million in Investments August 15, 2024 (COLUMBUS, Ohio)— Ohio Governor Mike DeWine and Lt. Governor Jon Husted today announced the approval of eight projects that will create 1,664 new jobs and retain 2,201 jobs statewide. … NORTHEAST Camaco, LLC. A Delaware Limited Liability Company, city of Lorain (Lorain County)expects to create 104 full-time-equivalent positions, generating more than $5.2 million in new annual payroll as a result of the company’s expansion project in Lorain. Camaco is an independent supplier of seat frame structures to the North American automotive market. The proposed project includes the acquisition of a new facility that will house increased production capacity of a result of new contracts obtained by the company. TCA approved a 1.325%, eight-year Job Creation Tax Credit for this project. more: https://development.ohio.gov/home/news-and-events/all-news/2024-0815-governor-dewine-lt-governor-husted-announces-approval-of-new-projects-expected-to-create-1600-jobs-more-than-185-million-in-investments
August 26, 2024Aug 26 new public housing and lorain gets in on the container game for a park. more impressively, the lorain metro housing authority head speaks the golden word ... density -- If you build it, will they come? Plans in the works to develop Lorain neighborhood By: Tiffany Tarpley Posted 6:30 AM, May 02, 2024 ... With the money, LMHA is in the first phase of its Southside Gateway Community Plan. By the end of 2024, the goal is to have dirt moving on a container park project at Southside Gardens, which is located near East 30th Street and Vine Avenue. ... “If you spent any time in a Rust Belt city, you can see the absolutely unmistakable skyline of a closed steel mill or much less active and you see the effects of urban renewal, closed streets, [and] blocked access,” (LMHA CEO Judy) Carlin said. “We are going to put more density, more opportunity. All of Ohio needs affordable workforce housing, everybody understands that need, our goal through this is to be part of the solution too for that, as well as creating a neighborhood that has amenities that would make you want to say, wow, this is a great place to bring my kids, raise my kids and move forward,” Carlin said. more: https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/if-you-build-it-will-they-come-plans-in-the-works-to-develop-lorain-neighborhood MA Design -- Proposed Container Park
August 26, 2024Aug 26 also, yes we can have nice things -- looks like a nice ampitheater stage for the downtown lorain riverfront is on the way -- 👍 Stage Project Construction: Begins Sept 2024 Total: $8.6M Opening Season: May 2025 Estimated Crowd Size Capacity: 20,000+ ... The new amphitheater presents an opportunity to create a catalytic connectivity plan between the retail/businesses along Broadway to the waterfront. The project represents a vision that leverages this opportunity by creating a series of plazas and promenades, creating a highly intuitive path of connectivity between these two anchors. The initial phase design includes a permanent stage and top, an ancillary building which will include areas such as a green room, storage, and equipment, as well as the restructuring of Black River Landing to develop better sightlines of the stage, waterfront and downtown. The development of this amphitheater will allow us to better capitalize on the successes at Black River Landing and give us the opportunity to grow in the scope of events being offered at our facilities. The location and orientation of the new amphitheater will help to create a new visual terminus, drawing visitors to active events and the waterfront park itself. Future development should consider the creation of a waterfront ‘‘village’ that builds upon the success of Broadway and strengthens pedestrian connectivity to the riverfront. more: https://www.lorainport.com/stageproject/ via bialosky cleveland architects
October 5, 2024Oct 5 i missed this — more on southside gardens redevelopment area — they want a variety of housing options — sounds good — Southside Gateway redevelopment project asks for community voices By JOHN ELROD PUBLISHED: March 27, 2024 … Sarah Karpinski, program manager 1 for the city of Lorain’s Department of Building Housing and Planning, said the goal is to provide a variety of housing options for South Lorain residents. “We want to make sure there’s opportunities for home ownership and for renters to go into home ownership,” Karpinski said. “We found out not all housing is conducive for those who want to age in place. more: https://www.morningjournal.com/2024/03/27/southside-gateway-redevelopment-project-asks-for-community-voices/ The Southside Gardens housing complex is an area of focus in the proposed Southside Gateway redevelopment project. (Submitted)
October 10, 2024Oct 10 Lorain's Active Transportation Plan approved by Lorain County Public Health Story by Heather Chapin, The Morning Journal Sep. 3—Lorain County Public Health has approved the updated Lorain Active Transportation Plan for the city of Lorain. … "In Lorain, over eight percent of households have no vehicle available, making it challenging for residents to travel by car to areas with healthy food options, employment, and other crucial destinations," said Lorain County Public Health Commissioner Mark Adams. "It is crucial that everyone has equitable access to safe modes of transportation that link people to nearby health and well-being resources." … "I'm certainly happy that they're endorsing our plan. We are attempting to make our streets safer and more accessible to our residents," said Lorain Mayor Jack Bradley. "And, we've been lucky to secure funding to make that happen. more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/lorains-active-transportation-plan-approved-by-lorain-county-public-health/ar-AA1pWWml
October 11, 2024Oct 11 Avon Lake wants to buy former power plant property Avon Lake has begun a multiyear process to transform much of the city's lakefront from the site of a former power plant to a public park. The Lorain County city west of Cleveland is seeking public input on an interim development agreement with Avon Lake Environmental Redevelopment Group to pay $15 million to buy 23 lakefront acres formerly occupied by the GenOn Energy Services power plant. The city wants to develop the land into a park that would extend its existing Miller Road Park eastward. The balance of the former power plant property — nearly 20 acres — is being marketed to mixed-use developers by the Cleveland and Chicago offices of commercial realty company Avison Young. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cleveland/news/2024/10/10/avon-lake-wants-to-buy-former-power-plant-property.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 6, 2024Dec 6 4 minutes ago, simplythis said: Top Golf in Avon. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate Very interested to see what Avon looks like in 20 years. They're essentially going all in on a bunch of disconnected anchor tenants and national chain restaurants, many likely getting tax abatements/incentives, without much room left to expand their population. Seems like a recipe for financial disaster long term.
December 6, 2024Dec 6 El Centro de Servicios Sociales unveils new South Lorain building dedicated to opportunities By CLARA WICINSKI | [email protected] PUBLISHED: December 5, 2024 The El Centro Opportunity Center of South Lorain located at 1825 E. 28th St. was revealed to the public Dec. 5. The grand opening allowed members of the Lorain community an opportunity to tour the newly renovated building. … “We came up with this concept of doing this wellness workforce,” he said. “The wellness workforce center will bring in partners to provide services that will meet the needs of the community.” The primary goal for the El Centro Opportunity Center of South Lorain partner agencies providing services is to help residents on their journey of economic growth, connecting with career educational programs, jobs and education connections, starting small business and many other services. more: https://www.morningjournal.com/2024/12/05/el-centro-de-servicios-sociales-unveils-new-south-lorain-building-dedicated-to-opportunities/ Victor Leandry, second from left, executive director of El Centro, and Lorain Mayor Jack Bradley, far right, with El Centro staff and friends during ribbon-cutting Dec. 5 of El Centro Opportunity Center of South Lorain. (Journal staff – The Morning Journal)
December 7, 2024Dec 7 9 hours ago, PlanCleveland said: Very interested to see what Avon looks like in 20 years. They're essentially going all in on a bunch of disconnected anchor tenants and national chain restaurants, many likely getting tax abatements/incentives, without much room left to expand their population. Seems like a recipe for financial disaster long term. Avon is huge- almost as big as the whole westside of Cleveland. There's plenty of land for residential south of Detroit. Tons for retail along the highway from Detroit to Chester. And gobs from Chester to the RR tracks.
December 7, 2024Dec 7 5 hours ago, X said: Avon is huge- almost as big as the whole westside of Cleveland. There's plenty of land for residential south of Detroit. Tons for retail along the highway from Detroit to Chester. And gobs from Chester to the RR tracks. And you have to drive everywhere!
December 7, 2024Dec 7 9 hours ago, X said: Avon is huge- almost as big as the whole westside of Cleveland. There's plenty of land for residential south of Detroit. Tons for retail along the highway from Detroit to Chester. And gobs from Chester to the RR tracks. We have to admit we were impressed while visiting the Clec Clinic there. We explored during our hospital visits and found there are a lot of conveniences in the area that make daily life easy. Yes a lot of driving. If they develop their lakefront at the former power plant look out - they will draw even more new residents from both Lorain and Cuyahoga counties.
December 7, 2024Dec 7 Avon doesn't have a lakefront. That's Avon Lake, a separate city which is larger in land area than Lakewood.
December 7, 2024Dec 7 6 hours ago, X said: Avon doesn't have a lakefront. That's Avon Lake, a separate city which is larger in land area than Lakewood. ok
December 9, 2024Dec 9 205 single-story apartment homes coming to Planned Development District in Amherst Township November 26, 2024 Redwood Living, Inc., has started construction on Redwood Amherst, a brand-new neighborhood of single-story apartment homes that will add a desirable residential rental option to Sandstone Development – a Planned Development District in Amherst Township. Seven different floor plans will be available at Redwood Amherst, most of which will include two bedrooms and two bathrooms. Phase I of the neighborhood will include 153 apartment homes with the first residents expected to move in by early 2025. Phase II will include approximately 52 units, and timing will be announced at a later date. Unlike traditional apartment complexes, apartment homes by Redwood feature single-story open floor plans, attached two-car garages and private entrances with individual street addresses. “Redwood Amherst will deliver all the signature design elements and amenities that residents across Ohio have come to love about the Redwood brand,” said Taylor Haley, VP of Property Operations at Redwood. “But we are also incorporating a few new design elements at this neighborhood, including a one-bedroom option along with some upgraded finishes inside and out.” Apartment homes at Redwood Amherst range from 896 to 1,620 square feet. Monthly rent for one-bedroom apartments will start at $1,999 and two-bedroom units will start at $2,199. more: https://news.byredwood.com/2024/11/26/205-single-story-apartment-homes-coming-to-planned-development-district-in-amherst-township/ Redwood Amherst will feature new colors of exterior siding. Colors may vary slightly from the rendering.
December 9, 2024Dec 9 nice to see any development and more people on the way in lorain county — 205 single-story apartment homes coming to Planned Development District in Amherst Township November 26, 2024 Redwood Living, Inc., has started construction on Redwood Amherst, a brand-new neighborhood of single-story apartment homes that will add a desirable residential rental option to Sandstone Development – a Planned Development District in Amherst Township. Seven different floor plans will be available at Redwood Amherst, most of which will include two bedrooms and two bathrooms. Phase I of the neighborhood will include 153 apartment homes with the first residents expected to move in by early 2025. Phase II will include approximately 52 units, and timing will be announced at a later date. Unlike traditional apartment complexes, apartment homes by Redwood feature single-story open floor plans, attached two-car garages and private entrances with individual street addresses. “Redwood Amherst will deliver all the signature design elements and amenities that residents across Ohio have come to love about the Redwood brand,” said Taylor Haley, VP of Property Operations at Redwood. “But we are also incorporating a few new design elements at this neighborhood, including a one-bedroom option along with some upgraded finishes inside and out.” Apartment homes at Redwood Amherst range from 896 to 1,620 square feet. Monthly rent for one-bedroom apartments will start at $1,999 and two-bedroom units will start at $2,199. more: https://news.byredwood.com/2024/11/26/205-single-story-apartment-homes-coming-to-planned-development-district-in-amherst-township/ Redwood Amherst will feature new colors of exterior siding. Colors may vary slightly from the rendering.
December 9, 2024Dec 9 1 hour ago, mrnyc said: nice to see any development and more people on the way in lorain county — 205 single-story apartment homes coming to Planned Development District in Amherst Township November 26, 2024 Redwood Living, Inc., has started construction on Redwood Amherst, a brand-new neighborhood of single-story apartment homes that will add a desirable residential rental option to Sandstone Development – a Planned Development District in Amherst Township. Seven different floor plans will be available at Redwood Amherst, most of which will include two bedrooms and two bathrooms. Phase I of the neighborhood will include 153 apartment homes with the first residents expected to move in by early 2025. Phase II will include approximately 52 units, and timing will be announced at a later date. Unlike traditional apartment complexes, apartment homes by Redwood feature single-story open floor plans, attached two-car garages and private entrances with individual street addresses. “Redwood Amherst will deliver all the signature design elements and amenities that residents across Ohio have come to love about the Redwood brand,” said Taylor Haley, VP of Property Operations at Redwood. “But we are also incorporating a few new design elements at this neighborhood, including a one-bedroom option along with some upgraded finishes inside and out.” Apartment homes at Redwood Amherst range from 896 to 1,620 square feet. Monthly rent for one-bedroom apartments will start at $1,999 and two-bedroom units will start at $2,199. more: https://news.byredwood.com/2024/11/26/205-single-story-apartment-homes-coming-to-planned-development-district-in-amherst-township/ Redwood Amherst will feature new colors of exterior siding. Colors may vary slightly from the rendering. If I didn’t know any better, I would think people are living in garages.
December 9, 2024Dec 9 12 minutes ago, marty15 said: If I didn’t know any better, I would think people are living in garages.
December 9, 2024Dec 9 well duh, this is lorain county not lake county, much less westchester, so not exactly a robert a.m. stern design, but at least 205 moving in is a positive. so what exactly are those things anyway? duplex garages with apartments attached? but with one entrance?? or is it another entrance goes off to the side? is that right? pretty oddball style, no?
December 10, 2024Dec 10 1 hour ago, buckeye1 said: Here's a typical floor plan from the Redwood in Avon Lake... Depression.
December 10, 2024Dec 10 6 hours ago, mrnyc said: well duh, this is lorain county not lake county, much less westchester, so not exactly a robert a.m. stern design, but at least 205 moving in is a positive. so what exactly are those things anyway? duplex garages with apartments attached? but with one entrance?? or is it another entrance goes off to the side? is that right? pretty oddball style, no? Amherst is an affluent enough suburb, and this is just more greenfield, auto-dependent sprawl destroying our lovely countryside. If something gets built in downtown Lorain or Elyria, I can see getting excited, but this is the type of development that is just destroying our stagnant region.
December 10, 2024Dec 10 16 hours ago, buckeye1 said: Here's a typical floor plan from the Redwood in Avon Lake... Sprawl or not, there is a market for one floor living for those nearing retirement and/or want to age in place and do not have $10,000 a month for Vitalia-type communities. Personally I am over shared walls so hopefully there is some noise reduction used rather than the minimum 1 hour firewall of drywall. Edited December 10, 2024Dec 10 by Willo
December 10, 2024Dec 10 final implosion of avon lake power plant scheduled for dec 16-20, exact timing tba.
December 10, 2024Dec 10 2 minutes ago, mrnyc said: final implosion of avon lake power plant scheduled for dec 16-20, exact timing tba. Another smoke stack or just the building
December 10, 2024Dec 10 17 hours ago, X said: Amherst is an affluent enough suburb, and this is just more greenfield, auto-dependent sprawl destroying our lovely countryside. If something gets built in downtown Lorain or Elyria, I can see getting excited, but this is the type of development that is just destroying our stagnant region. amherst township is not amherst. its kind of the in between land between amherst, south amherst, lorain and elyria. it is inevitable it becomes further suburbanized. also, this development is adding taxpayers and people to the county, which is better than nothing. is it pulling people from elsewhere in the area, or making homes for new arrivals? that's debateable, but otherwise no one is getting "excited" over this.
December 10, 2024Dec 10 8 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said: Another smoke stack or just the building i dk, good question -- it was paywalled after i saw the date range on cle dot bomb and in the lorain journal. 😂
December 10, 2024Dec 10 On 12/9/2024 at 3:59 PM, mrnyc said: well duh, this is lorain county not lake county, much less westchester, so not exactly a robert a.m. stern design, but at least 205 moving in is a positive. so what exactly are those things anyway? duplex garages with apartments attached? but with one entrance?? or is it another entrance goes off to the side? is that right? pretty oddball style, no? These Redwood things are popping up all over, at least in my neck of the woods in Summit and Medina counties. In some of the larger ones, it's like driving through a maze of garages. They seem to fill up though, so they must be fulfilling a need.
December 12, 2024Dec 12 so my bro lives in vermilion and told me the amherst township redwood housing is just part of the plan. the redwood housing is 32 acres worth and there is an additional 54 acre commercial area in the full development. he was told that will be a crocker park lite (crocker is 86 acres), but i said looks more like strip plaza shopping. we’ll see. i have a schematic i’ll see if i can post it later. 👍
December 13, 2024Dec 13 How (or why) does someone walk from any of the houses near the bottom of that plan to the commercial district? There is no pedestrian linkage. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 13, 2024Dec 13 Looks like their plan is through suburbanites favorite transportation system, the car and road
December 13, 2024Dec 13 14 minutes ago, KJP said: How (or why) does someone walk from any of the houses near the bottom of that plan to the commercial district? There is no pedestrian linkage. Golfcart everywhere as at The Villages.
December 13, 2024Dec 13 4 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said: Looks like their plan is through suburbanites favorite transportation system, the car and road Sure, because you have to drive to someplace that's 500 feet away but requires a 1-mile drive. 🤪 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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