I would have to say for Columbus the SE side neighborhoods make Linden and the Hilltop look like German Village and the Short North. It's also the one part of the city where a gang presence is very noticeable. I've only passed through here and can only imagine what it's like to live there day in and day out. Residents there have their work cut out for them. Sure, the Near East neighborhoods have their troubled areas, but some large-scale improvements have been made. Not seeing that in the SE side.

 

From what I gather OTR is Cincinnati's and Glenville is more or less the most dangerous hood in Cleveland or at least in the top three.

Cleveland... Anything along Kinsman and the forgotten triangle is one.  The other being St. Clair and Euclid from Downtown all the way into East Cleveland (around Eddy is bad) (includes Glenville).  So I guess what I am saying is the entire east side with the exception of University Circle and a few other areas. 

P.S. The worst I know for the Kinsman stretch is the Garden Valley projects right before you get to Grand Ave. (right near where 490 begins)  Lots of dope boys out there.

I would argue that west side neighborhoods like Clark near 44th and Madison around 85th would be more dangerous than abandoned areas on the east side in the forgotten triangle.  There simply aren't enough people in those east side hoods to make them dangerous.  I think it's hard to argue, however, that neighborhoods south of St. Clair in the 80s-100s are the worst in the city.

Cincinnati - Mason, Dayton - Beavercreek, Columbus - Dublin, Toledo - Perrysburg, Akron - Bath Township, Cleveland - Westlake

 

Done.

Cincinnati - Mason, Dayton - Beavercreek, Columbus - Dublin, Toledo - Perrysburg, Akron - Bath Township, Cleveland - Westlake

 

Done.

By those criteria I would say all of Geauga or Medina Counties for Cleveland.

In Cincy - I would say parts of the West End, Avondale, the Fairmonts are probably the worst with the situation in OTR too variable at this point to be clear.

 

In Cbus - I pretty much concur, the stretch of Cleveland Ave. south of Hudson especially as you get closer to DT has me locking my doors. 

It all depends if you are on drugs. I do work(pest control) in OTR and never had a problem.

Evanston is worse than Avondale and Over-the-Rhine, to be honest.

Cincinnati - Mason, Dayton - Beavercreek, Columbus - Dublin, Toledo - Perrysburg, Akron - Bath Township, Cleveland - Westlake

 

Done.

 

Tru dat ;)

 

Although Drexel out in Dayton-ish area (Jeff. Twp/Trotwood off US 35) does give me the creeps.....

And for Dayton, DeSoto Bass without question.

P.S. The worst I know for the Kinsman stretch is the Garden Valley projects right before you get to Grand Ave. (right near where 490 begins)  Lots of dope boys out there.

 

Cleveland... Anything along Kinsman and the forgotten triangle is one.  The other being St. Clair and Euclid from Downtown all the way into East Cleveland (around Eddy is bad) (includes Glenville).   So I guess what I am saying is the entire east side with the exception of University Circle and a few other areas. 

 

This is your PERCEPTION.  The Kinsman and Central area is where I've spent probably the second most time in next to my home neighborhood over the last five years.  I haven't had a single issue, nor has anyone with whom I work. 

 

I think it'd be good to distinguish fact vs perception here (maybe even add "perceived" to the thread title unless cold, hard facts/data are to be posted. 

I would put East Cleveland a notch above anything else because of the dire lack of safety services there.  After that, the aforementioned part of St. Clair, and after that the Clark/Denison area of the west side.  I would put Central/Kinsman behind all of those in terms of immediate danger.  The Central/Kinsman area takes the lead in absolute desparation, which may be why the perception there is so bad.  In warmer months, there's a decent chance someone will approach your car at the light on 55th asking for money. 

I would have to say for Columbus the SE side neighborhoods make Linden and the Hilltop look like German Village and the Short North. It's also the one part of the city where a gang presence is very noticeable. I've only passed through here and can only imagine what it's like to live there day in and day out. Residents there have their work cut out for them. Sure, the Near East neighborhoods have their troubled areas, but some large-scale improvements have been made. Not seeing that in the SE side.

 

From what I gather OTR is Cincinnati's and Glenville is more or less the most dangerous hood in Cleveland or at least in the top three.

 

Based on total amount of Part 1 Crimes OTR is 6th; Based on per capita crimes it is 8th

This will be fun, who can guess the safest neighbhorhood in Cincinnati (per capita) without cheating? [Note: Crime Stats are 2009 but population is Census 2000 nothing more recent at the tract level]

Generally (and ironically), downtowns tend to be the safest neighborhoods so I'm going with that.  I know downtown Detroit is the safest neighborhood there; I'm sure the same's for Dayton and Columbus as well.

Actually on a per capita basis Cincinnati's CBD doesn't do to well because of the relatively small population in 2000.  The correct answer is Pleasant Ridge.  Also 5 Cincinnati neighborhoods have a lower per capita crime rate than Mason (Mason's Crime Stats are 2008):

 

Madisonville 

Hyde Park

Mt. Washington

Mt. Lookout

Pleasant Ridge

 

I would say that Hyde Park and Oakley are killers for not wearing the right hipster garb. 'got sniffed at by some matron wearing a pink workout outfit pushing a running stroller and toting a latte right outside The Echo once. Looked me up and down she did. I had a Blackberry instead of an iPhone, I think she thought me gauche.

 

I asked where a coffee shop was when I was in a doctor's office on Glenway Avenue once. It was 2:00 p.m. and I was told loudly and in no uncertain terms that,"There aren't ANY Starbuck's around here." The "Yuppie scum" was silent, but it hung in the air, friends, like broken wind....

 

Be aware...danger lurks everywhere in....Cincinnati!

Actually on a per capita basis Cincinnati's CBD doesn't do to well because of the relatively small population in 2000. The correct answer is Pleasant Ridge. Also 5 Cincinnati neighborhoods have a lower per capita crime rate than Mason (Mason's Crime Stats are 2008):

 

Madisonville

Hyde Park

Mt. Washington

Mt. Lookout

Pleasant Ridge

 

 

Madisonville is sort of surprising but the other ones might as well be Mason...just in the city...and with old, historic architecture and tree-lined streets sans Culver's.

P.S. The worst I know for the Kinsman stretch is the Garden Valley projects right before you get to Grand Ave. (right near where 490 begins) Lots of dope boys out there.

 

Cleveland... Anything along Kinsman and the forgotten triangle is one. The other being St. Clair and Euclid from Downtown all the way into East Cleveland (around Eddy is bad) (includes Glenville). So I guess what I am saying is the entire east side with the exception of University Circle and a few other areas.

 

This is your PERCEPTION. The Kinsman and Central area is where I've spent probably the second most time in next to my home neighborhood over the last five years. I haven't had a single issue, nor has anyone with whom I work.

 

I think it'd be good to distinguish fact vs perception here (maybe even add "perceived" to the thread title unless cold, hard facts/data are to be posted.

 

Well, I don't really feel unsafe anywhere from 9am -5pm.  Talk to me when you're there from 9pm - 5am.

Perception matters because the stats only go so far.  A lot of petty crime and harassment goes unreported.  Especially when the CPD is so averse to receiving complaints.  In Mt. Pleasant, which nobody has mentioned yet, an entire horror movie unfolded over a period of years... years during which complaints from or about "crackwhore" victims were viewed as so routine that 2+2 never got added up.

In Cleveland itself, I would say the area around Garden Valley although I am not too knowledgeable about the aforementioned west side nabes.  Glenville has some bad parts, but also some very nice parts IMO.  On a whole, it cannot be considered the worst.

 

In the Cleveland area, it is definitely EC due to density of population and lack of an adequate safety force presence.

P.S. The worst I know for the Kinsman stretch is the Garden Valley projects right before you get to Grand Ave. (right near where 490 begins) Lots of dope boys out there.

 

Cleveland... Anything along Kinsman and the forgotten triangle is one. The other being St. Clair and Euclid from Downtown all the way into East Cleveland (around Eddy is bad) (includes Glenville). So I guess what I am saying is the entire east side with the exception of University Circle and a few other areas.

 

This is your PERCEPTION. The Kinsman and Central area is where I've spent probably the second most time in next to my home neighborhood over the last five years. I haven't had a single issue, nor has anyone with whom I work.

 

I think it'd be good to distinguish fact vs perception here (maybe even add "perceived" to the thread title unless cold, hard facts/data are to be posted.

 

Wrong, I own three properties in the Kinsman area, and have been working on them myself along with three other gentleman.  One on E. 145th and Kinsman, 71st and Harvard and one on E 112th between Kinsman and Union.  I have spent more time there in the past 10 months than my own home.  I see junkies walking up and down the street, the one house on E. 145th got broken into and had the sinks and counter tops jacked along with a tool set.  The house on 71st had tin foil in the garage every other day or so with heroin residue... were not all ignorant wankers.  So not only is that my perception, that is my REALITY.  I am not saying you haven't been bothered but may I ask where you work?  Try getting off the main streets and go down the side streets for a stroll.  If I didn't have a 95 lb Doberman and a HK .45 I wouldn't tempt the fates.

To be fair, I do not have any stats to back this up and I am not familiar with the West side so you have a point.  I'm just supplying my 2 cents.

P.S. The worst I know for the Kinsman stretch is the Garden Valley projects right before you get to Grand Ave. (right near where 490 begins) Lots of dope boys out there.

 

Cleveland... Anything along Kinsman and the forgotten triangle is one. The other being St. Clair and Euclid from Downtown all the way into East Cleveland (around Eddy is bad) (includes Glenville). So I guess what I am saying is the entire east side with the exception of University Circle and a few other areas.

 

This is your PERCEPTION. The Kinsman and Central area is where I've spent probably the second most time in next to my home neighborhood over the last five years. I haven't had a single issue, nor has anyone with whom I work.

 

I think it'd be good to distinguish fact vs perception here (maybe even add "perceived" to the thread title unless cold, hard facts/data are to be posted.

 

Wrong, I own three properties in the Kinsman area, and have been working on them myself along with three other gentleman. One on E. 145th and Kinsman, 71st and Harvard and one on E 112th between Kinsman and Union. I have spent more time there in the past 10 months than my own home. I see junkies walking up and down the street, the one house on E. 145th got broken into and had the sinks and counter tops jacked along with a tool set. The house on 71st had tin foil in the garage every other day or so with heroin residue... were not all ignorant wankers. So not only is that my perception, that is my REALITY. I am not saying you haven't been bothered but may I ask where you work? Try getting off the main streets and go down the side streets for a stroll. If I didn't have a 95 lb Doberman and a HK .45 I wouldn't tempt the fates.

 

Let's make a distinction that Garden Valley extends from approximately East 66th to East 84th along Kinsman.  Same with the Forgotten Triangle.  Your properties are within another neighborhood, I believe Mt. Pleasant.

 

Well, I don't really feel unsafe anywhere from 9am -5pm. Talk to me when you're there from 9pm - 5am.

 

This is a ridiculous statement.  For what purposes would the vast majority of people go outside of their neighborhoods (or even homes) between the hours of about midnight and 5am? 

Here's something a little more factual...crime reports in Cleveland for the last 7 days:

http://www.crimereports.com/map?search=cleveland%2C+ohio&searchButton.x=0&searchButton.y=0&searchButton=SEARCH

"Let's make a distinction that Garden Valley extends from approximately East 66th to East 84th along Kinsman.  Same with the Forgotten Triangle.  Your properties are within another neighborhood, I believe Mt. Pleasant."

 

 

Touche, you are correct.

Well, I don't really feel unsafe anywhere from 9am -5pm.  Talk to me when you're there from 9pm - 5am.

 

This is a ridiculous statement.  For what purposes would the vast majority of people go outside of their neighborhoods (or even homes) between the hours of about midnight and 5am? 

Why is it ridiculous?  A neighborhood's safety is not limited to only certain hours of the day.  Your contention was you work in that area and that during your time there (which I assume is ~9-5), it has been safe.

 

My contention is that yeah, it's safe if you're there in the middle of the day when more people are around (and more people aren't high/drunk).  But if you were to live there, would you also feel safe?  Are you suggesting it is simply a run down, poor section of town with low crime?

 

The Black Swan theory at it's finest.

 

EDIT:  click on each of the icons in the crime report you posted and see when most of the crimes occurred.

Cincinnati - Mason, Dayton - Beavercreek, Columbus - Dublin, Toledo - Perrysburg, Akron - Bath Township, Cleveland - Westlake

 

Done.

 

There's actually a lot of truth in that. While you're more likely to be a victim of petty crime in rougher hoods (not petty when it happens to you) you're chances of being killed are much lower provided you're not in a gang. In central Ohio there were just over 100 people killed in car crashes and over 15,000 people injured (no differentiation in seriousness of the injury) each year from 2005-2007. There are about 100 homicides annually in Columbus, but the vast majority are criminals killing other criminals. For me, I'd rather live in a possibly up-and-coming neighborhood that's rough around the edges than live where I'd end up in an inevitably bad car crash at some point.

Madisonville is one of the safest in Cincinnati?! That's surprising.

 

This is a casually interesting topic, but I don't think it's going to go anywhere super-fascinating for one reason: crime and poverty are married, you rarely see one without the other in American cities. The richer you are, the less crime you commit, and when you do, it's easier to hide, or its so big that it's way over everyone's heads.

Well, I have to disagree. Not about crime and poverty having a correlation, but the implication that residents in low-income hoods are impoverished.  They can afford cars, cable tv, cellphones, etc. The problem isn't money: it's the culture among some residents and that is exacerbated by criminals who exert a level of control over these neighborhoods where the city pretty much lets them run rampant and lets their landlords provide them a base for criminal activity.

Well, I don't really feel unsafe anywhere from 9am -5pm.  Talk to me when you're there from 9pm - 5am.

 

This is a ridiculous statement.  For what purposes would the vast majority of people go outside of their neighborhoods (or even homes) between the hours of about midnight and 5am? 

Why is it ridiculous?  A neighborhood's safety is not limited to only certain hours of the day.  Your contention was you work in that area and that during your time there (which I assume is ~9-5), it has been safe.

 

My contention is that yeah, it's safe if you're there in the middle of the day when more people are around (and more people aren't high/drunk).  But if you were to live there, would you also feel safe?  Are you suggesting it is simply a run down, poor section of town with low crime?

 

The Black Swan theory at it's finest.

 

EDIT:  click on each of the icons in the crime report you posted and see when most of the crimes occurred.

 

I agree, I can come home wasted and take my dog for a walk around Shaker and not think twice (obviously I don't live by the square where Mr. McDermout was jumped by those thugs, now marinating in prison) about walking around.  I wouldn't do that in many areas of Cleveland and some suburbs.  (even some parts of my own)

Madisonville is one of the safest in Cincinnati?! That's surprising.

 

This is a casually interesting topic, but I don't think it's going to go anywhere super-fascinating for one reason: crime and poverty are married, you rarely see one without the other in American cities. The richer you are, the less crime you commit, and when you do, it's easier to hide, or its so big that it's way over everyone's heads.

 

Per captia it is.  I was suprised as well

Danger is often in the eye of the beholder.

 

There is also severity of each crime whether or not it is a random act.

 

All reasons I am usually suspcious of crime statistics.

yeah good point Johio.  I judge by two parameters:

1) Are there shootings?

2) Are there arsons?

 

Shootings are what really matter to me even if they are between people that know each other.

Danger is often in the eye of the beholder.

 

There is also severity of each crime whether or not it is a random act.

 

All reasons I am usually suspcious of crime statistics.

 

The inclusion of Larceny as a Part 1 crime I think is the most distorting.  For example Cincinnati's CBD had over 1000 part 1 crimes in 2009 but fully 80% of them were larceny.  Compare that with Westwood where 57% of the crimes were larceny or Millvale where 21% were larceny.

Well, I have to disagree. Not about crime and poverty having a correlation, but the implication that residents in low-income hoods are impoverished.  They can afford cars, cable tv, cellphones, etc. The problem isn't money: it's the culture among some residents and that is exacerbated by criminals who exert a level of control over these neighborhoods where the city pretty much lets them run rampant and lets their landlords provide them a base for criminal activity.

 

I'm not sure we can go from "they have cars and cellphones" to "their problem isn't money."  Dropping cable gives you no TV at all these days, but nobody has to have TV.  Fair enough.  Cell phone is a different story... you pretty much need one to be economically competitive.  Internet too.  And there are entire threads here about how realistic it is to get by without a car in Ohio. 

 

People from bad neighborhoods cannot afford to be without basic transportation and communication capabilities in the 2010 job market.  It's not the reason they're poor, it's not what makes their neighborhoods crime-ridden, and moreover it's not really a choice... in fact, these basic instumentalities of commerce are the only thing that prevents the situation from becoming much much worse.

Danger is often in the eye of the beholder.

 

There is also severity of each crime whether or not it is a random act.

 

All reasons I am usually suspcious of crime statistics.

yeah good point Johio. I judge by two parameters:

1) Are there shootings?

2) Are there arsons?

 

Shootings are what really matter to me even if they are between people that know each other.

What about armed robbery? I see how you can say that, without a shooting, it isn't "dangerous", but if there are tons of armed robberies going on in an area, it certainly feels dangerous. And I think what the attempt to measure is something like "legitimate fear". Rape is another thing you should probably consider.

Danger is often in the eye of the beholder.

 

There is also severity of each crime whether or not it is a random act.

 

All reasons I am usually suspcious of crime statistics.

yeah good point Johio. I judge by two parameters:

1) Are there shootings?

2) Are there arsons?

 

Shootings are what really matter to me even if they are between people that know each other.

What about armed robbery? I see how you can say that, without a shooting, it isn't "dangerous", but if there are tons of armed robberies going on in an area, it certainly feels dangerous. And I think what the attempt to measure is something like "legitimate fear". Rape is another thing you should probably consider.

Earlier today I was thinking about that actually.  Gun crime in general is better way to assess what I meant.  Being held at gun point isn't murder but it's pretty nerve-wracking.

 

Rape is also awful but as a man I rarely think about it and I don't hear rapes reported on the news that often which doesn't discount the fact that they are horrible and happen.

And for Dayton, DeSoto Bass without question.

ColDayMan is right.

 

This is just from last week:

 

County worker arrested after heroin found in her car, police say

 

By Lucas Sullivan | Friday, February 5, 2010, 02:20 PM

 

DAYTON - A Montgomery County disability services coordinator is in jail on a felony drug possession charge after police found heroin in her car Thursday, Feb. 4.

 

Heather Overbay, 38, was in the DeSoto Bass housing complex about 11:45 a.m. when officers said they noticed suspicious activity in her vehicle, according to a police report.

 

more: http://www.middletownjournal.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/daytoncrime/entries/2010/02/05/county_worker_arrested_after_p.html

 

You know it's bad when the county social service worker for an area is hooked on heroin.

OTR, Price Hill, East Covington, West End, Avondale, Bond Hill, Moosewood and the projects on the hill in Covington (do not go here unless you live here) and of course Brick City aka Winton Terrace.  Pretty much any neighborhood with the word "terrace" after it.   

Bond Hill is only unsafe if you are a part of the general criminal element. I would say the same roughly of parts of Price Hill.

OTR, Price Hill, East Covington, West End, Avondale, Bond Hill, Moosewood and the projects on the hill in Covington (do not go here unless you live here) and of course Brick City aka Winton Terrace. Pretty much any neighborhood with the word "terrace" after it.

 

OTR is 8th highest in Cincinnati per capita Part 1 crimes

EPH is 28th; WPH is 23rd

Covington would be 31st if ranked

Avondale is 30th

Bond Hill is 37th (almost the same crime rate as Oakley)

Winton Place is 12th

 

Note: These rankings only go to 50 because 3 pairs of neighborhoods occupy the same census tract and I couldn't seperate out the population

CBD has a lot of part 1 crimes due only to the fact that larceny is classified as a part 1 crime.