October 13, 20222 yr 11 hours ago, nicker66 said: I noticed a bump-out is being built on Madison before that continuous right turn across from School of Rock. Hopefully they stripe Madison down to a normal sized single lane as well to slow down traffic barreling towards Camargo/Plainfield. Yes, it should! I forgot to post before as I never got a good confirmation on when it was going to happen. I also talked to DOTE about adding a traffic light or roundabout here, since people insist on one of those all the time. The traffic counts are not high enough to justify a light, and a roundabout would require the replacement of the East Fork Avenue bridge and would be prohibitively expensive. I hope that in the future, we can get them to have a short trail of closing the Madison Road slip lane off from through traffic, and turn the main intersection into an all-way stop.
December 6, 20222 yr Madamore Apartments help breathe life into downtown Madisonville: PHOTOS By Abby Miller – Reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier Dec 6, 2022 Madisonville is one of Cincinnati’s fast-growing neighborhoods, and a new development that held its grand opening this fall is aiming to fuel additional growth in its downtown corridor. Madamore, a mixed-use apartment community along Whetsel Avenue and Madison Road, held its grand opening Oct. 6. Since the beginning of November, the apartments have been 100% full, said Dobbs Ackermann, president and CEO of Ackermann Group. Ackermann Group developed 312 apartment units across all three of the Madamore buildings, which include 40 affordable units for those making 80% of the area median income. Madamore includes studio, one-bedroom and two-bedroom apartments, some of which have balconies or Juliet balconies. MORE
December 7, 20222 yr 17 hours ago, The_Cincinnati_Kid said: Madamore Apartments help breathe life into downtown Madisonville: PHOTOS By Abby Miller – Reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier Dec 6, 2022 Madisonville is one of Cincinnati’s fast-growing neighborhoods, and a new development that held its grand opening this fall is aiming to fuel additional growth in its downtown corridor. Madamore, a mixed-use apartment community along Whetsel Avenue and Madison Road, held its grand opening Oct. 6. Since the beginning of November, the apartments have been 100% full, said Dobbs Ackermann, president and CEO of Ackermann Group. Ackermann Group developed 312 apartment units across all three of the Madamore buildings, which include 40 affordable units for those making 80% of the area median income. Madamore includes studio, one-bedroom and two-bedroom apartments, some of which have balconies or Juliet balconies. MORE As a Madisonville Resident I hope this will spur new development all along Madison from Red Bank to Camaro.
December 19, 20222 yr Medpace is hosting an event Wednesday announcing an economic development. "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
December 19, 20222 yr 31 minutes ago, Cygnus said: Medpace is hosting an event Wednesday announcing an economic development. any speculation as to what it may be?
December 21, 20222 yr Looks like another $150m exspanstion with 1500 jobs. Not sure about any other details.
December 21, 20222 yr 21 minutes ago, jmblec2 said: Looks like another $150m exspanstion with 1500 jobs. Not sure about any other details. Big time!
December 21, 20222 yr Was told by a friend high up at Medpace that he was planning on another tower because they had already outgrown their new one. Also mentioned that the New building will be going on the empty lot directly East of the current one.
December 21, 20222 yr How many sq feet is the building they just built? The new one they stated will be 250k sq feet. Which one will be bigger?
December 21, 20222 yr https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/06/12/get-a-look-at-115-million-medpace-expansion.html Not totally apples to oranges, but this article claims that the existing new building is: 200,000 square feet of office space 18,000 square feet of retail space 925-space parking garage
December 22, 20222 yr The latest I heard was that the gravel lot isn't big enough so they are demolishing the existing two story building at 5355 Medpace Way and building the tower there. They own the land behind it, so I'd assume that is enough space for another garage with the tower taking the same footprint as the 5355 building. Also, I was told that the Food Hall was just supposed to be a fancy cafeteria for the Medpace employees, but I stopped by there a few weekends ago and it was completely packed at 8:00 on a Saturday night. I guess having 800+ new apartments within walking distance is having a positive effect on the neighborhood!
December 22, 20222 yr That 2 story building at 5355 Medpace Way is their inpatient, Phase 1 Clinical Trials Unit. A Phase 1 trial is when new medications are used for the first time in humans. Since the side effects in humans are basically unknown at that time point, any volunteer is kept onsite for anywhere from 24 hours after the first dose up to a full week for clinical observation, depending on the assessed risk. Phase 1 clinical trials are intense, resource-heavy, and produce big profits for the companies that operate them in-house. Unless Medpace has already figured out how they are going to shift the functions of that building somewhere else to make way for a new office tower on that site, I doubt this is where the new construction will be. Edited December 22, 20222 yr by OliverHazardPerry
December 22, 20222 yr On 7/19/2021 at 8:34 AM, Dev said: I went to the Market at Medpace event on Saturday. It was actually indoors at the Summit due to the risk of storms and it was actually way better that way. Previously, they have always had it in their parking lot which feels really barren and hot. I had not been in the hotel yet and it's pretty nice. The view from the rooftop terrace leaves a lot to be desired though. They had these posters up all over featuring the current site plan. I would assume that they will move the event into the field or north of the food hall in the future. I wonder if this site plan is still valid? I haven't been over to the Summit recently to see if it's still on display but it isn't at Element Eatery.
December 31, 20222 yr On 12/22/2022 at 3:17 PM, Dev said: I wonder if this site plan is still valid? I haven't been over to the Summit recently to see if it's still on display but it isn't at Element Eatery. I’d assume that it is at the hotel because Medpace puts most of not all of the clients they work with in that hotel. Last time I heard it is. The reasoning for the dog park is that they were trying to buy the UDF at the corner of Madison and Red Bank but UDF was not willing to sell so they settled for a small park (originally was supposed to be an apartment building). I believe they eventually will build upon that site even if UDF doesn’t sell (baffles me that they didn’t, that has to be one of the worst locations for a gas station). Assuming that the new building is built at the plot that says new development, it should be a pretty substantial building. Not sure what the size of the lot is compared to their newest building but assuming that the garage and building are built together, it should be taller than their newest. For the view from the rooftop, it is pretty lackluster. As much as I love Mazunte they really need to move and that whole section (Rally, coffee shop) needs to be redeveloped. For the plot of land to the north of that, I believe that the children’s home owns that (could be wrong) so I’d assume they have no plans to sell, but would be nice to see some development there.
January 14, 20232 yr Proposed new development directly south of Ilsco along Madison. After Ilsco closes I can see this whole section becoming mixed use.
January 19, 20232 yr There has been construction work sighted at the old King's Ice Cream drive thru and now has a sign stating coming soon.
January 19, 20232 yr Has anyone noticed all of the Planes moving containers sitting in the parking lot at this site? Does anyone know what's going on?
February 1, 20232 yr Went to the Madisonville community council meeting on this project to fully support it. They wanted a letter of support from the meeting but it was met with a lot of pushback. Mostly because it doesn’t really include any affordable units and that they did not give people more notice on the project. They are coming back to the next council meeting to see if they can finally get a letter of support. https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/02/01/manhattan-development-madisonville.html
February 1, 20232 yr Manhattan Development Group plans $60 million apartment project in Madisonville Manhattan Development Group wants to build hundreds of new apartments in Madisonville near its border with Oakley, but its plans are in flux after the Madisonville Community Council declined to endorse the project in January. Northern Kentucky-based Manhattan Development Group plans a 234-unit, four-story complex on a vacant parcel at 4710 Madison Rd., but the number of apartments could be scaled down in order to address some of the community council’s concerns. The developer also expects to build space for a restaurant and two stories of structured parking to get the building out of the nearby Little Duck Creek flood plain. Its investment would be $60 million, with $52 million in construction costs. “Everyone knows there is a tremendous demand for housing in the city of Cincinnati,” said Doug Moormann, vice president with Development Strategies Group, which is representing the developer. “We think this is a great place to try to fill some of that need. It’s close to neighborhood business districts. It’s on transit lines. It’s just a desirable place to locate a community where people would be interested in living.” More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/02/01/manhattan-development-madisonville.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 1, 20232 yr Quote The community council voted 15-11 against endorsing the project, with nine abstentions, but the developer is set to go back in February with revisions to address their concerns, which included the lack of affordable housing, new development driving up the cost of housing nearby, traffic and some residents’ belief that Madisonville does not need more apartments. The craziest part of the article is that Madisonville has 33 voting members of its community council. I imagine those meetings must last for days. The Madison Rd. corridor is white hot, which I guess was inevitable given Oakley was originally "Near Hyde Park" and now Madisonville is "Near Oakley." Edited February 1, 20232 yr by nicker66
February 1, 20232 yr ^ given what is going on at MedPace, this is a huge development. Hope it gets built.
February 1, 20232 yr 41 minutes ago, nicker66 said: some residents’ belief that Madisonville does not need more apartments It's in a zoned industrial park on the outskirts of Madisonville. This thing will be nowhere near the main residential areas. Traffic can be pretty heavy around Red Bank Road, but this development won't make any noticeable difference. The traffic will grow regardless as long as the east side of the city continues to grow, not just Madisonville.
February 1, 20232 yr 29 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: ^ given what is going on at MedPace, this is a huge development. Hope it gets built. I think people will be trying to push that next meeting. With this announcement there’s going to be a lot of new construction in and surrounding Madisonville. This building is a great addition to a part of Madisonville that one: people actually don’t know they are entering a different neighborhood and two: this section of Madisonville is not pretty (storage place, bowling alley and pregnancy center). This is a great start too what I am going to assume is a whole set of mixed use development where Ilsco used to be. They also mentioned about possibly painting the train bridge to say Madisonville not really sure if they are being honest or just saying it to get more people to support it. All in all, I love this project (kind of reminds me of Industry in Pendleton) and hope that it and Ilsco get redeveloped to a dense mixed use development.
February 2, 20232 yr This type of development is really good. I wouldn't want to live there because of the location but I am sure they would fill up fast. I wish they would densify Oakley Center around the Movie Theatre and going back but the area is growing nicely especially when you add in Hyde Park around the trail.
February 10, 20232 yr They had a special meeting last night for the development. They wanted a letter of support from the community and got it l, but barely. They updated the renderings and the price of the project was cut in half. Even thought I much prefer the original proposal it is nice to see something going into a spot that otherwise would prolly just become a fast food restaurant or a strip mall. Edited February 10, 20232 yr by Ucgrad2015
February 10, 20232 yr 7 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said: They updated the renderings and the price of the project was cut in half. Can you clarify/elaborate the differences between the original proposal and the latest version?
February 10, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, jwulsin said: Can you clarify/elaborate the differences between the original proposal and the latest version? This is the original version. Cost was around $60 million. $11 million of that was for the two level parking garage.
February 10, 20232 yr And the new proposal is now a $30 million total cost (down from $60 million)? Regardless of the merits of the two versions, I'm surprised that the new version changed so dramatically in ~ two weeks, after the close (15 opposed, 11 in support) vote by the community council in January. Edited February 10, 20232 yr by jwulsin
February 11, 20232 yr 20 hours ago, jwulsin said: And the new proposal is now a $30 million total cost (down from $60 million)? Regardless of the merits of the two versions, I'm surprised that the new version changed so dramatically in ~ two weeks, after the close (15 opposed, 11 in support) vote by the community council in January. Yes kudos to the architect. That’s a tall task and he was able to do it and do it where it pleased most of the people who originally opposed the plan.
February 11, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Ucgrad2015 said: Yes kudos to the architect. That’s a tall task and he was able to do it and do it where it pleased most of the people who originally opposed the plan. This is why I think we need to limit community councils’ having a say in developments- 15 unelected people (out of the thousands that live in Madisonville) arbitrarily said they don’t like the original plan, and now a city with a housing shortage just lost 100+ housing units?
February 11, 20232 yr ^I hate to sound skeptical, but I feel like the lower density rendering is way too polished on short notice and is actually what the developer wanted to do all along.
February 12, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, nicker66 said: ^I hate to sound skeptical, but I feel like the lower density rendering is way too polished on short notice and is actually what the developer wanted to do all along. It is possible that this could have been their plan all along in that they wanted to show something that would wow the members then right before they start they say due to supply chain issues, inflation, etc they had to cut it down. They did state that the current plan though will be able to be constructed in much quicker than the original. They needed to act quickly due to that the developer had a contract to purchase the site but it would expire at the end of the month and the owner would not renew.
March 20, 20232 yr Developers, Cristo Homes plan new townhomes in Madisonville By Chris Wetterich – Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier Mar 20, 2023 A developer plans to build new single-family townhomes in Madisonville right off its business district, with the Cincinnati Planning Commission approving needed zoning changes Friday. Developers Greg Berling, Ken Campbell and Cristo Homes plan to build seven, two-story townhomes with attached garages in the northwest corner of Madison Road and Anderson Place, with the homes located along Anderson Place. The homes will have three bedrooms, 2.5 baths and have 1,557 square feet on the first two floors, with a 352 square foot finished basement. They will be Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design certified, with the option of having solar panels. MORE
March 20, 20232 yr 49 minutes ago, The_Cincinnati_Kid said: Developers, Cristo Homes plan new townhomes in Madisonville By Chris Wetterich – Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier Mar 20, 2023 A developer plans to build new single-family townhomes in Madisonville right off its business district, with the Cincinnati Planning Commission approving needed zoning changes Friday. Developers Greg Berling, Ken Campbell and Cristo Homes plan to build seven, two-story townhomes with attached garages in the northwest corner of Madison Road and Anderson Place, with the homes located along Anderson Place. The homes will have three bedrooms, 2.5 baths and have 1,557 square feet on the first two floors, with a 352 square foot finished basement. They will be Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design certified, with the option of having solar panels. MORE Like how one person said it was too dense lmao.
March 21, 20232 yr Madisonville public library branch opens in Madamore development After more than 100 years in its old location, the new Madisonville branch of the Cincinnati & Hamilton County Public Library opened its doors in a more accessible development. The library’s Madisonville branch is leasing a nearly 9,000-square-foot space in the mixed-use Madamore development, right in the heart of downtown Madisonville. One of the aims of Madamore was to redevelop Madisonville’s downtown. With the Madisonville branch library opening, residents now have a state-of-the-art facility for checking out books, movies, studying and more. The new Madisonville library, which held a ribbon cutting ceremony March 16, is part of the library system’s larger facilities master plan. As part of the plan, Madisonville’s branch was relocated from its old building at 4830 Whetsel Ave. Several other library branches, such as Hyde Park and Pleasant Ridge, are undergoing renovation and improvement projects as part of the plan. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/03/21/madisonville-public-library-branch-opens-madamore.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 22, 20232 yr With all the streetscape work done around Madison and Whetsel, was there ever discussion of undergrounding the utilities? The new sidewalks, trees, and streetlights are great but I hate how the utility lines hover over it all. Here's a photo from that Courier article, showing the view of the new library, looking across Whetsel:
March 22, 20232 yr I tried to figure out what the plan is for the old library location, which I think was one of the "Carnegie libraries" and all I could find is this from the Library's website: https://chpl.org/next-generation/madisonville/ Quote The Library does not have plans to sell the previous branch library building. I'll be curious to hear what ends up happening in that building.
March 22, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, jwulsin said: With all the streetscape work done around Madison and Whetsel, was there ever discussion of undergrounding the utilities? The new sidewalks, trees, and streetlights are great but I hate how the utility lines hover over it all. Here's a photo from that Courier article, showing the view of the new library, looking across Whetsel: This was probably too expensive. I would also assume that the TIF didn't have the bonding capacity back then, before the 2020 property valuations, when everything spiked really high. There were supposed to be more bump-outs but I think those got VE'd out of the project. DOTE is currently partnering with the Kleingers Group to produce design alternatives similar to what was done for Linn Street, so maybe that could be discussed later this year when that public engagement happens. 57 minutes ago, jwulsin said: I tried to figure out what the plan is for the old library location, which I think was one of the "Carnegie libraries" and all I could find is this from the Library's website: https://chpl.org/next-generation/madisonville/ I'll be curious to hear what ends up happening in that building. They are firmly committed to maintaining ownership of the building but just using it as an admin/storage facility for the time being. Their new spot is just a lease with renewal options but IIRC they do have an option to buy. They will certainly let people know if they do decide to do something else. And I have been regularly told that it is not a Carnegie library.
March 24, 20232 yr On 3/20/2023 at 9:31 AM, Ucgrad2015 said: Like how one person said it was too dense lmao. The parcel is in one of the form based code's denser transects, T4 Neighborhood Small Footprint. So not OTR/Pendleton level of density but something like most of Northside. Hving the property face Anderson, and not Madison, was probably not the intent of the FBC update but I don't think it is setup to mandate that. Additionally, before it was form-based code it was residential multi-family 1.2 so this use has been legal for decades If I'm being generous, the existing land use of Madison from Anderson to Stewart feels more like T4 Neighborhood MEDIUM footprint to me, but that still allows for rowhomes/townhomes. It also allows for a medium-to-large multi, with less than 20 units, which we see a lot of in Hyde Park along Madison. If it was zoned that way, this lot probably would have been built on a long time ago, and it certainly would be more than 7 townhomes with 3 bedrooms each. Anderson Place is the also the only street in Madisonville zoned SF-10. There are no SF-20 lots in the neighborhood so this is the least dense block in the immediate area until you get to Hyde Park or Mariemont. With I-71 being right there, along with the connector being there now, those homes, especially the Tudors, will be some of the most expensive properties in the community, if not already. None of this really matters though. It's too late. They designed something to fit into the FBC so there was probably little to no chance of blocking this, especially given the administration's acceptance of the progressive conventional wisdom on density/land use. During the planning commission meeting, Billy Weber took the opportunity to make it clear that detached single family is the most expensive type of housing.
March 24, 20232 yr On 1/19/2023 at 3:32 PM, Cincinnatus said: Has anyone noticed all of the Planes moving containers sitting in the parking lot at this site? Does anyone know what's going on? A fire suppression line burst during the coldest week of winter back in December. Affected residents have been moved to a long-stay hotel in Blue Ash, at ERS' expense, but renovations are ongoing.
March 24, 20232 yr On 3/20/2023 at 8:39 AM, The_Cincinnati_Kid said: Developers, Cristo Homes plan new townhomes in Madisonville By Chris Wetterich – Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier Mar 20, 2023 A developer plans to build new single-family townhomes in Madisonville right off its business district, with the Cincinnati Planning Commission approving needed zoning changes Friday. Developers Greg Berling, Ken Campbell and Cristo Homes plan to build seven, two-story townhomes with attached garages in the northwest corner of Madison Road and Anderson Place, with the homes located along Anderson Place. The homes will have three bedrooms, 2.5 baths and have 1,557 square feet on the first two floors, with a 352 square foot finished basement. They will be Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design certified, with the option of having solar panels. MORE They look great. This should be legal on any lot in the city--by right.
March 24, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, DEPACincy said: They look great. This should be legal on any lot in the city--by right. Well the lack of a front porch of any size, or maybe a balcony, kind of sucks. We need to go back to being be a society where people hang out in their front yards.
March 27, 20232 yr On 3/24/2023 at 1:41 PM, Dev said: Well the lack of a front porch of any size, or maybe a balcony, kind of sucks. We need to go back to being be a society where people hang out in their front yards. You know I'm on board with that! Bring on the front porches. I love mine for sure.
May 2, 20232 yr Talked to a friend of mine who is higher up at Medpace and I asked him about the new building. He stated that they are planning on putting it in the orange circle (tearing down the current building that’s one story). It will be of similar height and massing of their newest tower. I asked why they weren’t putting it on the gravel site just east of the new building. He said that the lot is not large enough for what they want and the owner has plans that site but nothing set in stone. He also mentioned that they purchased the the land in the blue circle (currently a landscape business I believe) and they are planning on putting in another industrial building like the one in the purple circle. They are still planning on something just behind the UDF, but UDF is still not wanting to sell.
May 3, 20232 yr Any idea in what they are considering putting on that gravel lot? Apartments? Or more office space? Or something else?
May 3, 20232 yr 13 minutes ago, jmblec2 said: Any idea in what they are considering putting on that gravel lot? Apartments? Or more office space? Or something else? He had mentioned retail but the owner wasn’t jet set on the idea. I’d say they should put apartments here especially with the amount of people they will be hiring. Edited May 3, 20232 yr by Ucgrad2015
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