Cincinnati kicks in $33 million in incentives for massive Medpace expansion

By Chris Wetterich  –  Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier

Jun 16, 2023

 

Medpace will get $33 million in city incentives for its major, 1,500-job expansion at the company's growing Madisonville headquarters.

 

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On 6/10/2020 at 10:34 AM, jjakucyk said:

At the very least the curb/sidewalk on the north side of Madison wasn't moved, it was just rebuilt in place.  It appears that Madison is only 45 feet wide so the current 5-lane configuration really isn't appropriate.  It's generally regarded that lanes less than 10 feet wide lead to more crashes and incidents like jumping curbs and whatnot.  I don't know if it reduces incidents involving pedestrians or cyclists, but 10 feet is the sweet spot.

 

The simplest solution would be to allow permanent street parking at the curb, which only needs to be 7-8 feet, leaving room for three 30 foot lanes.  Instead of parking it could be buffered bike lanes.  You could do the Chicago thing with parking plus bike lanes, leaving just one vehicle travel lane each way.  https://goo.gl/maps/miTX2pb7hw8mY8NS8  At intersections the parking stops and the bike lanes move over to allow room for a left turn lane. 

 

East of Whetsel is an absolute mess.  Nebulous parking bays, lanes that wander left and right, wide seemingly uncontrolled pavement.  Past the railroad overpass the street narrows a couple of feet and it looks like there's two lanes each way but it's not striped, etc. 

Well the city is finally looking at fixing all of this. They are also willing to reduce travel lanes to just one lane in each direction but the Stewart Avenue intersection is a big issue. They are not going to entertain any land or RoW acquisition so re-aligning the intersection is not an option. They are going to look into other optimizations of the intersection that will allow the two sides of Stewart to turn green at the same time but ultimately it depends on the feedback they get. The feedback will also impact what any saved space will be used for, on-street parking, bike lanes, or wider sidewalks, etc.

On 8/9/2023 at 4:13 PM, Dev said:

Well the city is finally looking at fixing all of this. They are also willing to reduce travel lanes to just one lane in each direction but the Stewart Avenue intersection is a big issue. They are not going to entertain any land or RoW acquisition so re-aligning the intersection is not an option. They are going to look into other optimizations of the intersection that will allow the two sides of Stewart to turn green at the same time but ultimately it depends on the feedback they get. The feedback will also impact what any saved space will be used for, on-street parking, bike lanes, or wider sidewalks, etc.

The meeting went pretty well. Turnout was not overwhelming but that's not surprising, especially with the start of school quickly approaching. It appears that Purple and Gray were the 2 leading preferences with Blue being a very popular 2nd option. It appears to me that Purple and Blue are the only 2 options that meet NACTO's all ages and abilities guidelines. Blue is the Amsterdam style, off-street bike infrastructure option, which does not leave enough space for on-street parking. Purple and Grey are bike lane and parking compromises, with purple having an off-street multi-use path, and Grey featuring on-street parking, but does not have enough room for protected bike lanes.

 

A short survey is online that asks for overall top 2 preferences and then preferred option at each of the 4 sections. The presentation, with the pdfs from the survey, as well as some other supporting documentation is on the community council's website.

City's website includes construction drawings, sire plans and some renderings.

Zoning change for another 600k tower with 1600 parking garage space is also included that one is new

58 minutes ago, Dev said:

City's website includes construction drawings, sire plans and some renderings.

Also shows around building 100 and 200 a future office/ multi family and garage. 

Good catch. Not a surprise that they would want to do that but have never mentioned specifically doing that AFAIK

26 minutes ago, Dev said:

Good catch. Not a surprise that they would want to do that but have never mentioned specifically doing that AFAIK

Do you know if they are planning on going back to Community council? Would like to ask them what their overall plan is. The renderings are showing commercial/restaurant on the gravel parking lot just east of the newest tower and assuming apartment building just west of the newest tower. 

18 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Do you know if they are planning on going back to Community council? Would like to ask them what their overall plan is. The renderings are showing commercial/restaurant on the gravel parking lot just east of the newest tower and assuming apartment building just west of the newest tower. 

Nope, this is the first I've heard of any of this!

 

I would guess that they are just future-proofing this so they don't ever have to get the PD amended in the future. Those 3 areas have kind of a laundry list of potential uses. The lot on Madison will be where they stage heavy equipment and components so that will be the last thing built on which will be years from now. I also suspect that they won't build on the Expressway side until they can get ahold of the UDF lot.

City of Cincinnati looks at whether it should overhaul part of Madison Road

 

The city of Cincinnati is eyeing a complete streets project on busy Madison Road, which runs from East Walnut Hills to Madisonville. The project could run between Anderson Place and Plainville Road in Madisonville’s redeveloping commercial district as the city and neighborhood seek more businesses.

 

The city has released a survey seeking to understand how people currently use the road and look for ways to alter it to benefit motorists, pedestrians and bicycle users.

 

“Our team will analyze existing conditions, gather public input and develop design concepts that prioritize safety, accessibility and connectivity for all modes of transportation,” according to the city’s survey. The survey will end on Aug. 31.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/08/21/cincinnati-examines-madison-road-overhaul.html

 

On 12/22/2022 at 9:01 AM, nicker66 said:

The latest I heard was that the gravel lot isn't big enough so they are demolishing the existing two story building at 5355 Medpace Way and building the tower there.  They own the land behind it, so I'd assume that is enough space for another garage with the tower taking the same footprint as the 5355 building.  

🤷‍♂️

Also, they have always planned for three apartment buildings along Madison where the current gravel lot/contractor staging is located, but are prioritizing office space first.  Since the CEO owns the all the land and essentially pays rent to himself, he doesn't need a quick ROI.  

I may be way off base but I feel like if you're having space issues for employees, you would build on the empty lot instead of displacing other employees to build something bigger, no?

Edited August 21, 20231 yr by tonyt3524

26 minutes ago, tonyt3524 said:

I may be way off base but I feel like if you're having space issues for employees, you would build on the empty lot instead of displacing other employees to build something bigger, no?

The current empty lots around the campus are not large enough to support the size of building they want. Yes there’s the parking lot behind ,but they are planning a parking garage there and it wouldn't be in the center part of campus and would drastically reduce the parking. 

Medpace's massive Madisonville expansion expected to top $230M, add 2,700 seats

 

Medpace’s massive expansion effort in Madisonville has grown substantially in size even before the company is set to break ground on the multimillion-dollar project.

 

The clinical contract research firm plans to build a new office tower, clinical trial site and structured parking to accommodate growth and an increased demand for its services. Its new capital investment to complete the work will now top $230 million. That is a 53% price jump from the original $150 million it cited when it announced plans in December 2022 to grow its headquarters in Madisonville – news that landed incentives and brought praise from a slew of state and local officials.

 

The moves will add 423,618 square feet of office space, versus the 250,000 square feet when first announced. The office building also will have roughly 2,700 seats, enabling Medpace to double its on-campus headcount.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/09/11/medpace-madisonville-expansion-office-tower-jobs.html

 

This is wild. Seems damn near impossible to build on. 4+ acres for $1.2 million.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/10/23/medpace-madisonville-grows.html?cx_testId=40&cx_testVariant=cx_6&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s
 

Medpace is growing again. The article is now stating a 9 floor tower which I believe the original tower was 7 floors. It also talks about 5401 Madison Rd which is currently a gravel lot just East of the newest tower. States that will be 265,000 ft of office with 10,000 ft each for retail and restaurant. 

 

Any business, no matter how well managed, will go through booms and busts. If/when MedPace has a downturn and has to scale back (either temporarily or permanently), is the design of this campus conducive to being repurposed by other uses/industries? I’d feel better if there were a deliberate goal/effort to get non-MedPace tenants leasing some of those office spaces. Compared to the previous generation of corporate suburban campuses, this is undoubtedly a step in the right direction with mixing in housing, a hotel, and some retail. I just don’t want it to turn into a ghost town if MedPace ever goes bust. 

16 hours ago, jwulsin said:

If/when MedPace has a downturn and has to scale back (either temporarily or permanently), is the design of this campus conducive to being repurposed by other uses/industries?

It sounds like they are learning from their prior mistake in designing it as am auto suburban campus. I have been told that they bleed employees to their other locations because they are in other, more in-demand regions. Also, the land is not owned directly or indirectly, by MedPace. It's owned by the CEO, which is managed by his son, so the incentives are a little bit different than a typical campus.

Retail listing is up for the new strip mall that will be across from Madison Bowl and Istorage. 

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/4710-Madison-Rd-Cincinnati-OH/27995729/

1 minute ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Retail listing is up for the new strip mall that will be across from Madison Bowl and Istorage. 

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/4710-Madison-Rd-Cincinnati-OH/27995729/

Looking at the brochure it’s showing City BBQ and Better Blend as two tenants. 

9 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Retail listing is up for the new strip mall that will be across from Madison Bowl and Istorage. 

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/4710-Madison-Rd-Cincinnati-OH/27995729/

Unfortunate that the mixed use development for this site isn't moving forward. Does anyone have any more context on that?

1 hour ago, dnymck said:

Unfortunate that the mixed use development for this site isn't moving forward. Does anyone have any more context on that?

The original design was going to be a 4 floor apartment building with two floors of parking garage developed by the Manhattan group. After discussion with the Community council it was scaled way down to 3 floor townhomes (can’t remember how many but was a decent amount).Traffic, lack of affordable housing and someone literally said Madisonville doesn’t need more apartments were some of the remarks. If I remember correctly Ray Schneider (now dealing with some legal issues) was helping develop this site.  

7 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

The original design was going to be a 4 floor apartment building with two floors of parking garage developed by the Manhattan group. After discussion with the Community council it was scaled way down to 3 floor townhomes (can’t remember how many but was a decent amount).Traffic, lack of affordable housing and someone literally said Madisonville doesn’t need more apartments were some of the remarks. If I remember correctly Ray Schneider (now dealing with some legal issues) was helping develop this site.  

Sounds about right.

It's interesting that it states "proposed Ilsco redevelopment" on the zoomed out page of the brochure with apartments in the renderings. The brochure also mentions a planned Factory 52 expansion stating that PLK will acquire both the previously closed Multi-Color Corporation and the Siemens plant. I don't know how much I believe all that given the renderings don't match the site plan in the brochure lol EDIT: Ope didn't see the Norwood discussion about it

The downscaling of the apartment proposal for this site was because of price increases. Cheaper, and easier, to build a smaller group of apartments than one large one with a massive concrete base. They also could be rented out in phases, which is what PLK did with their similar Jameson apartments down the road, allowing for a quicker RoI. I don't know why the project didn't move forward but it sounded like they were on a legitimate time crunch as the property owner wanted to move forward quickly.

Edited January 9, 20241 yr by Dev

FYI, it's expected that Medpace's developer will present an update at the February community council meeting for the planned parking garage on the Stewart lot, and The Red will be presenting in March for another expansion of that complex along Red Bank Expressway.

Just north of the corporate line in Columbia Township, this 1923 office building is for sale on Stewart. I'm curious what the story is for the building. It looks like the zoning code for Columbia prevents the lot from being split, in addition to it being zoned single family. It'll be interesting to see what happens to it.

On 9/15/2023 at 11:13 AM, Dev said:

This is wild. Seems damn near impossible to build on. 4+ acres for $1.2 million.

When I was a kid attending Lotspeich in the early 90s, I swear I remember seeing what looked like an abandoned farmhouse up on that bluff from the swing sets at recess. Glad to know they're finally gentrifying the old haunted houses. :D

 

Honestly, this whole thread is wild to read. I grew up in Anderson Township and had to take two buses to get to Seven Hills -- one from home to Turpin and one from Turpin to school. The bus would go through Newtown and Mariemont, up Plainville Road, then turn onto Madison Road and drop one girl off at St. Paul Lutheran before getting to Seven Hills. I was no expert on gentrification or the effects of redlining as a small child, but I remember the Madison Road corridor looking pretty bleak at the time. This is the Madisonville I remember, except I think the empty lots on the SW and SE corners still had empty buildings on them.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/03/04/ray-schneider-out-bankruptcy-the-blue-development.html?cx_testId=40&cx_testVariant=cx_6&cx_artPos=1#cxrecs_s
 

Talks about him rezoning the Red apartments so he can build more than 100 new units. If I remember correctly they will be presenting at the next Madisonville Community Council meeting. The area I’m a going to assume is the spot he’s wanting to build on was once slated for commercial and office development. 

Frustrating that they can't add a sidewalk on that side of Red Bank.

52 minutes ago, tonyt3524 said:

Frustrating that they can't add a sidewalk on that side of Red Bank.

The city is. ODOT reached out to them asking if they had a project that could help them spend down the remaining $1 million from the Eastern Corridor project. So DOTE is going to build a shared-use path on the west side of Red Bank Expressway from the Hetzel traffic light to the Duck Creek Road and (old) Red Bank Road intersection.

 

The city is also getting funds from the Ohio Department of Development to build a traffic light at Red Bank Drive and Red Bank Expressway, right in front of these new apartments. Last time I asked, the light will come first, but will be designed to work with the eventual path.

54 minutes ago, Dev said:

Red Bank Drive and Red Bank Expressway

It's time to give this little east-west road its own name. Confusingly, it's name "Red Bank Rd" for one block and then it becomes "Medpace Way". Red Bank Rd takes a 90-degree turn to the south (shown in red in image below), and Medpace Way takes a 90-degree turn to the north (shown in orange). Doesn't make any sense. Just give this little road its own name!

 

15 minutes ago, jwulsin said:

It's time to give this little east-west road its own name. Confusingly, it's name "Red Bank Rd" for one block and then it becomes "Medpace Way". Red Bank Rd takes a 90-degree turn to the south (shown in red in image below), and Medpace Way takes a 90-degree turn to the north (shown in orange). Doesn't make any sense. Just give this little road its own name!

When this all went down last year, I was told that the blue stub west of Red Bank Road and Medpace Way has the legal name of Red Bank Drive. I haven't found any documentation supporting that though and Google Streetview shows that it used to have a sign stating that it was Red Bank Road. None of these streets have signs, including the intersection on Red Bank Expressway, which would make it a lot easier.

 

I agree giving blue its own separate name would be best but it's going to get worse before it gets better. Medpace's developer is working on purchasing the L-shaped internal street, so we might have a public Medpace Way, north of Madison, and a private, L-shaped one on Medpace's campus. I do think that the city would want to keep that stub public, to provide primary access to the (old) Red Bank Road so maybe they clarify it then? Medpace's developer also did not want the city to place the bike staples on the campus, for being too ugly, so hopefully that shows they will create their own signage once the street becomes private.

 

 

Circle Development came to the community council meeting last night to get feedback about a potential expansion of the Red Apartments. They have a PD agreement with the city which would need to be amended as the current allowance is for office, something they do not think it remotely feasible. Given the size and shape of the lot there are going to be some unique challenges, most of which are coming from the transportation department. They are really interested in integrating with the planned Red Bank shared-use path and new light at whatever that side street to Medpace is actually called.

51 minutes ago, Dev said:

Circle Development came to the community council meeting last night to get feedback about a potential expansion of the Red Apartments. They have a PD agreement with the city which would need to be amended as the current allowance is for office, something they do not think it remotely feasible. Given the size and shape of the lot there are going to be some unique challenges, most of which are coming from the transportation department. They are really interested in integrating with the planned Red Bank shared-use path and new light at whatever that side street to Medpace is actually called.

Did they buy the building that houses Mazunte? Would be nice to see mazunte move into the Madison and Whetsel corner restaurant space that hasn’t even had a tenant since it was built in 2018. 

3 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Did they buy the building that houses Mazunte? Would be nice to see mazunte move into the Madison and Whetsel corner restaurant space that hasn’t even had a tenant since it was built in 2018. 

Yes, Circle Development owns the Mazunte parcel. 

 

The corner of Madison/Whetsel is a different developer (Ackermann Group), so seems unlikely that Circle Development would be eager to move Mazunte there. 

They did mention last night that they have no plans to demolish that small strip mall and displace the 2 existing tenants. I think they currently have at least one vacancy in the building though. I'm not sure I totally believe that the building will stay but I assume Mazunte has little interest in moving and they could really antagonize a lot of people if they force them out, even if to just relocate them. Someone did challenge them on adding retail to this new project, stating that since the Madamore is completely empty, they wouldn't be successful either. They pushed back stating that they are confident they could find a tenant, and they want feedback from the neighborhood for what they want to see there.

 

I am also hearing that the archdiocese is in contract negotiations for the former St. Margaret-St. John property which abuts the Murray Trail. I have been told that the church's main goal was less about price, and more about finding an established developer who can move forward with redevelopment, so they don't have to do this all over again if it were to fail. It's over 5 acres and currently zoned SF-4, so a rezoning is certainly going to happen. The word is that they were seeking something like $2.5 million for it and that whoever this business is, they want a 2 year purchase option to allow them to navigate the bureaucracy at the city. It also sounds like these will be condos. If that is true, I expect this to be very expensive, priced to capture people who would otherwise be looking to move to Mariemont.

56 minutes ago, Dev said:

I am also hearing that the archdiocese is in contract negotiations for the former St. Margaret-St. John property which abuts the Murray Trail. I have been told that the church's main goal was less about price, and more about finding an established developer who can move forward with redevelopment, so they don't have to do this all over again if it were to fail. It's over 5 acres and currently zoned SF-4, so a rezoning is certainly going to happen. The word is that they were seeking something like $2.5 million for it and that whoever this business is, they want a 2 year purchase option to allow them to navigate the bureaucracy at the city. It also sounds like these will be condos. If that is true, I expect this to be very expensive, priced to capture people who would otherwise be looking to move to Mariemont.

Very interesting. Looking at the properties along Murray makes me want some UC student to do an economic/GIS analysis that looks at properties on both sides of Murray, to determine the relative value of being on one side or the other (Mariemont vs City of Cincinnati). 

25 minutes ago, jwulsin said:

Very interesting. Looking at the properties along Murray makes me want some UC student to do an economic/GIS analysis that looks at properties on both sides of Murray, to determine the relative value of being on one side or the other (Mariemont vs City of Cincinnati). 

Well this is real anecdotal, but the homes in Mariemont which are clones of mine have twice the value when sold.

Circle Development pursues next phase of the RED apartments in Madisonville

 

The developer behind the RED apartments in Madisonville is moving forward with the next phase of the project.

 

Ray Schneider, president of Circle Development, expects to begin construction by the end of the year on a fourth building with around 100 apartments at the RED development site.

 

The building could include one or multiple new ground-floor restaurant spaces, Schneider told the Business Courier.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/03/29/red-apartments-madisonville-next-phase-building.html

 

On 3/22/2024 at 11:50 AM, Dev said:

They did mention last night that they have no plans to demolish that small strip mall and displace the 2 existing tenants. I think they currently have at least one vacancy in the building though. I'm not sure I totally believe that the building will stay but I assume Mazunte has little interest in moving and they could really antagonize a lot of people if they force them out, even if to just relocate them. Someone did challenge them on adding retail to this new project, stating that since the Madamore is completely empty, they wouldn't be successful either. They pushed back stating that they are confident they could find a tenant, and they want feedback from the neighborhood for what they want to see there.

 

I am also hearing that the archdiocese is in contract negotiations for the former St. Margaret-St. John property which abuts the Murray Trail. I have been told that the church's main goal was less about price, and more about finding an established developer who can move forward with redevelopment, so they don't have to do this all over again if it were to fail. It's over 5 acres and currently zoned SF-4, so a rezoning is certainly going to happen. The word is that they were seeking something like $2.5 million for it and that whoever this business is, they want a 2 year purchase option to allow them to navigate the bureaucracy at the city. It also sounds like these will be condos. If that is true, I expect this to be very expensive, priced to capture people who would otherwise be looking to move to Mariemont.

When Kingsley+ Co hear there’s land for sale that has an old school house on it. 

13 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

Circle Development pursues next phase of the RED apartments in Madisonville

 

The developer behind the RED apartments in Madisonville is moving forward with the next phase of the project.

 

Ray Schneider, president of Circle Development, expects to begin construction by the end of the year on a fourth building with around 100 apartments at the RED development site.

 

The building could include one or multiple new ground-floor restaurant spaces, Schneider told the Business Courier.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/03/29/red-apartments-madisonville-next-phase-building.html

 

Thought they were keeping the retail portion with Mazunte. Maybe they promised Mazunte a restaurant spot in the new building? 

3 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

When Kingsley+ Co hear there’s land for sale that has an old school house on it. 

I hate them sooooo much over the Hoffman School nightmare. Perfect structure to renovate into housing.  

On 9/16/2021 at 9:02 PM, Dev said:

The new owner of 5618 Whitney Place and the adjacent parcels is Base Property Group. They have renovated 5618 and will keep it as a rented 4-plex. They also own 5622 Whitney, which was built in 1930 and is a registered single unit rental, though nothing specific was mentioned about it.

 

They want to subdivide the 2 parcels behind them into 9 single families that will act as an addition to Butterfield Place. They stated that an alternative build would have been 21 apartments, which is fully allowable in the existing zoning of RM 2.0. They decided not to pursue that option because of "street congestion" on Butterfield. They will need zoning variances from the City for 2 of the lots, numbers 4 and 5, as they will not have the necessary minimum lot frontage. They will have faux Tudor styling, in an attempt to match local aesthetics and will be spaced 10 feet apart. They will have 3 levels with the first floors essentially being a 2 car garage with a mud room and bonus room. There will be no connection to Whitney Place, not even for pedestrians or bikes. The greenscape area will be used to cover buried water retention, and each of the 9 property owners will be granted an easement, though it will be owned by lot 9. It will likely be a covered gazebo or pocket park.

It looks like CAGIS has already been updated:

Apparently, this has turned into 2 buildings of 10 condos each. I can't find many details, as they merged and then split the parcels starting in January of 2023, which has complicated the permits.

Edited April 10, 20241 yr by Dev

New retail development Oakley Parke looks to be starting as the building circled on the plot has been demolished. 

This project should be so much more than a strip mall. And I will be interested to see the tenant mix, the last building leased quickly but it also has an Urgent Care - which I hope is not an indicator that this next building will slide into cell phone stores.

47 minutes ago, wjh said:

This project should be so much more than a strip mall. And I will be interested to see the tenant mix, the last building leased quickly but it also has an Urgent Care - which I hope is not an indicator that this next building will slide into cell phone stores.

It was originally going to be an apartment complex but those plans fell through. Would much rather have this though.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/02/01/manhattan-development-madisonville.html

 

Looking at retail leasing site CBRE one of the renderings shows a restaurant called burger shake. Not to get too excited but I hope that will become a shake shack. 

https://www.cbre.com/resources/fileassets/US-SMPL-129999/05b0074e/976c6db6-e70b-4e2a-95f8-a7798601dbf0.pdf

Ackermann Group, Madisonville Community Council feud over developments new and old

By Brian Planalp – Staff reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier

Apr 15, 2024

Updated Apr 15, 2024 9:52am EDT

 

A Cincinnati developer and Madisonville community members are sparring over the best use of long-vacant land in the neighborhood’s business district.

 

Ackermann Group is behind the largest transformation of the Madisonville neighborhood in decades, having developed the three mixed-use Madamore apartment buildings on the southwest, southeast and northeast corners Madison Road and Whetsel Avenue. The third Madamore building began leasing in October 2022. All tolled, the project brought 312 apartments and more than 45,000 square feet of commercial space.

 

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1 hour ago, The_Cincinnati_Kid said:

Ackermann Group, Madisonville Community Council feud over developments new and old

By Brian Planalp – Staff reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier

Apr 15, 2024

Updated Apr 15, 2024 9:52am EDT

 

A Cincinnati developer and Madisonville community members are sparring over the best use of long-vacant land in the neighborhood’s business district.

 

Ackermann Group is behind the largest transformation of the Madisonville neighborhood in decades, having developed the three mixed-use Madamore apartment buildings on the southwest, southeast and northeast corners Madison Road and Whetsel Avenue. The third Madamore building began leasing in October 2022. All tolled, the project brought 312 apartments and more than 45,000 square feet of commercial space.

 

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As a Madisonville resident I agree “mostly” with the fellow residents. Ackerman basically takes up most of the first building that was built and there’s two spaces (one that could be a great restaurant space) at the corner but hasn’t been filled even once since it was finished. The building in the photo has the library but that’s all that’s in that part. The part next to Bad Tom Smith has multiple spaces available with one or two being filled. 
 

What I don’t agree with is the more parking spaces. There’s plentiful street parking around and with the connected communities having multiple parking lots shouldn’t be a thing. 

But doesn't the struggling retail suggest more residential is needed? ("Retail follows rooftops")

7 hours ago, The_Cincinnati_Kid said:

 

What a hectic looking streetscape. Need to bury those utilities.