January 13, 20223 yr Just finished watching the meeting today and got some screenshots for Casa d'Angolo (Primo Vino development) 5 stories tall. 7 for sale condos around 2,200-2,400 SF except for the penthouse which will be 4,800 SF. Ground floor will be a wine bar with small plates.
January 13, 20223 yr To each their own, but I'm pretty conflicted about this one. Love the wine bar, love condos, love the large units, and love the building size. But the architecture is not my cup of tea. It doesn't fit in the neighborhood at all. Hopefully the commission convinces them to make some changes.
January 13, 20223 yr It definitely challenges the architecture of the neighborhood. I am mixed on it too, but the neighborhood is going to LOSE IT for sure.
January 13, 20223 yr I'm ok with it. After decades of awful aluminum siding and enclosed porches, does anything really "fit" the neighborhood? I just hope the Nimby's don't torpedo it, because its success will bring more.
January 13, 20223 yr Here is the architect's page with a couple pictures and site plan. Looks good. http://www.robertmaschke.com/projects/casa-dangolo/
January 13, 20223 yr I like it- great openness at ground level, all the balcony spaces, good scale for LI, adds density without seeming out of place size-wise. It's a left turn, architecturally, for Little Italy. But I think if all those other things are done right, it can be positive part of the ensemble of Mayfield Road.
January 13, 20223 yr What will the siding be? If a solid stone like limestone or sandstone, that would be nice nod to the original Italian immigrants to the neighborhood who did much of the neighboring stonework in Lake View and CH/SH/UC. To me, that could sell this design to the neighborhood much better just using some flat metal panel or other composite material. If you walk down 126, 124, Coltman and others, you will see more contemporary design homes, but nothing this contemporary currently exists (from the top of my head) on Mayfield.
January 13, 20223 yr ^ Yeah, the materials are going to make or break this. First two floors look good, after that it kinda loses its way. My hovercraft is full of eels
January 13, 20223 yr Not to stray off topic, but never has a rendering made me more wish for buried utility lines
January 13, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, roman totale XVII said: ^ Yeah, the materials are going to make or break this. First two floors look good, after that it kinda loses its way. Totally agree. The NIMBY's are gonna lose their s**t over this. I could see the final product looking anywhere from kinda bad to very nice depending on materials. But either way it will be an improvement over this:
January 13, 20223 yr Agree that the NIMBYS are going to come from out of their holes on this one but I was somewhat intrigued by the reaction of the rep from Little Italy Redevelopment. He indicated that they had met on two occasions so far to discuss the plans and he represented there were many positive comments including the parking solutions and how the retail was shown among other things. Style did not seem to be a concern at this point but "massing" was (as it was with some commission members) The rep indicated that they had not seen these more detailed renderings, especially the materials being used, and it may have been my imagination but it seemed like he was suggesting that the new more detailed renderings were going to be a positive with members of the community, maybe even those who have currently expressed reservations to date. Again, this was more implied than actually expressed. At this point the LIR is going to go back to the community with the new renderings and apparently there will then be a second meeting if the developer makes changes to the project based on the suggestions of Landmarks. It seemed like only the usual suspect on Landmarks, Anderson, was totally against it but a couple of members had left the meeting and did not comment. Edited January 13, 20223 yr by Htsguy
January 13, 20223 yr By the way, the presentation was very detailed and I got the impression, by the way they started out, that they believed they were going to get push back on the height (probably rightly so given past NIMBY reactions to taller developments in LI). But there just seemed to be a little negativity in this regard (even from Trott who seems to think every building should be two stories in an historic district). It might just be the same thing but it was the massing that was problematic for some. Unfortunately it is probably the case that, given the quality of the materials and the design that they really cannot cut out much square footage or it won't be profitable.
January 14, 20223 yr New Casa d’Angolo design gets cool reception By Ken Prendergast / January 14, 2022 Conceptual plans for a proposed modern, five-story luxury condominium development called Casa d’Angolo, or “corner house “in Italian, were sent back to the drawing board by the Cleveland Landmarks Commission yesterday. The recommendation came despite a member of the development team predicting the condos would become a Little Italy landmark equal to that of the Holy Rosary Church. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2022/01/14/new-casa-dangolo-design-gets-cool-reception/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 14, 20223 yr In my opinion, the massing argument is a more legitimate criticism than saying the style is not appropriate for Little Italy. The problem is that, as expressed by the developer, with such a small site any reduction in square footage is going to make the development economically unfeasible given the proposed quality of the materials. It is refreshing, given the restraints of our market, to see a developer willing to spend rather than value engineer. I hope they can find an acceptable solution. As far as saying the style does not fit in with Little Italy, what exactly is its style (other than overall bad)? It has always been a mish mash and even more so now with many of the new buildings which have been approved. I think it was the architect who made the point, when disagreeing with Anderson (who I can assure you will vote no no matter what happens with the design), that building in a historic district does not mean you mimic the past but build for the times while respecting the past. Edited January 15, 20223 yr by Htsguy
January 15, 20223 yr 22 hours ago, Htsguy said: As far as saying the style does not fit in with Little Italy, what exactly is its style (other than overall bad)? It has always been a mish mash and even more so now with many of the new buildings which have been approved. I think it was the architect who made the point, when disagreeing with Anderson (who I can assure you will vote no no matter what happens with the design), that building in a historic district does not mean you mimic the past but build for the times while respecting the past. Totally agree. Cleveland's Little italy is more of a sentiment than a place. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
January 16, 20223 yr I foresee something similar to the Baricelli apartments fight. The demand to keep vinyl siding wrapped chopped up SFH's in the neighborhood is strong!
January 16, 20223 yr BTW, I thought this was a very cool part of the Bialosky/Maschke/WXZ presentation last week. It's a photographic sampling of Little Italy's exterior materials of most (all?) Mayfield Road buildings from the railroad overpass to the Lakeview Cemetery wall. Might make a great poster! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 17, 20223 yr 19 hours ago, KJP said: BTW, I thought this was a very cool part of the Bialosky/Maschke/WXZ presentation last week. It's a photographic sampling of Little Italy's exterior materials of most (all?) Mayfield Road buildings from the railroad overpass to the Lakeview Cemetery wall. Might make a great poster! I can't believe some folks on this forum are accusing Little Italy of not having a cohesive style! I had to look closely to even realize this is a composite photo! One look at this photo should have you eating your hats!! /s
February 7, 20223 yr I am very curious to see the reaction of Landmarks-my favorite municipal board-to a Little Italy CONCEPT PLAN being presented this Thursday. While it only involves a small single family (I am guessing that although like much of Little Italy it could be a divided up into multiple shabby apartments) the reaction could be telling for the future of the whole neighborhood. The developer, WXZ Development, the same group seeking to demo and build condos on the Primo Vino site, is apparently looking to demo the house located at 12405 Fairfield Court and erected something new. It might be in conjunction with proposed nearby renovations on Mayfield Rd. also being presented conceptually on Thursday. The reason I believe this presentation and it reception could be very important is the house that they are seeking to demo is one of those classic Little Italy sh*t holes you find over and over on the side streets. Poorly renovated over the years with inappropriate materials so that you cannot even tell what it originally looked like. Classic Little Italy chain link fence in the front yard but even better-just the frame of the fence-all the links are gone. I can go on and on but you get the picture-we have seen it over and over in this "historic district". Bottom line...there is nothing historic about this house and probably nothing worth saving. Cannot wait to see the inside during the presentation. My point is if that Landmarks does not raise a stink and finally recognizes that much of the housing stock, such as this building, is not historic and not worth saving, the tide might turn in Little Italy and developers will look for more tear down opportunities where warranted, replacing it with new quality single and multiple family buildings.
February 7, 20223 yr Lots of structures they're fixing up/replacing. But I see why you zeroed in on 12405 Fairview Ct @Htsguy... CONCEPT PLANS 5. Case 22-018: Little Italy Historic District 4 & 8 MFLD 12404 Mayfield Road Building A Renovation Case 22-019: Little Italy Historic District 4 & 8 MFLD 12408 Mayfield Road Building B Renovation Case 22-020: Little Italy Historic District 4 & 8 MFLD 12405 Fairview Court (Piggy Street) Demolition Case 22-021: Little Italy Historic District 4 & 8 MFLD 12405 Fairview Court (Piggy Street) New Construction Ward 6: Griffin Project Representatives: Gregory Soltis, RDL Architects; Matthew Wymer, WXZ Development "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 7, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Lots of structures they're fixing up/replacing. But I see why you zeroed in on 12405 Fairview Ct @Htsguy... CONCEPT PLANS 5. Case 22-018: Little Italy Historic District 4 & 8 MFLD 12404 Mayfield Road Building A Renovation Case 22-019: Little Italy Historic District 4 & 8 MFLD 12408 Mayfield Road Building B Renovation Case 22-020: Little Italy Historic District 4 & 8 MFLD 12405 Fairview Court (Piggy Street) Demolition Case 22-021: Little Italy Historic District 4 & 8 MFLD 12405 Fairview Court (Piggy Street) New Construction Ward 6: Griffin Project Representatives: Gregory Soltis, RDL Architects; Matthew Wymer, WXZ Development And for those, like me, that were wondering what the heck the story is on “Piggy Street”: https://www.tripadvisor.com/FAQ_Answers-g50207-d1784132-t5199074-Why_is_Fairview_ct_called_piggy_st_I_grew_up_on.html Edited February 7, 20223 yr by brtshrcegr
February 8, 20223 yr Honestly, teardown/replacements don't excite me. Building on vacant lots excites me.
February 10, 20223 yr Regarding the Landmarks meeting today: 12404 Mayfield Rd - Currently 5 apartments. WXZ hopes to convert this to 2 condo residences and one ground floor office condo. 12408 Mayfield Rd - Currently 4 apartments. To be converted to 1 condo residence and one ground floor office condo. 12405 Fairview Ct - Currently 3 family structure. To be demolished and replaced by 2 condo residences over a garage with 5 parking spaces (1 for each total residence).
February 10, 20223 yr 26 minutes ago, RMB said: What was the result? They're going to be coming back to Landmarks with more details at a future meeting.
February 10, 20223 yr Landmarks was pretty supportive. But ya gotta love Michele Anderson (go to 2:26:50 at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQWuiaekcGw) She urged WXZ to use caution whenever they're ready to get financing for their retail component, warning about the difficulty in getting financing for retail with condos. Matt Wymer of WXZ responded "We have a lender, thank you. They're aware of that detail. And I'm comfortable with it." And yet she persisted "You might want to get more than one." Matt merely responded "Thank you." She's awful. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 10, 20223 yr Just now, KJP said: Landmarks was pretty supportive. But ya gotta love Michele Anderson (go to 2:26:50 at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQWuiaekcGw) She urged WXZ to use caution whenever they're ready to get financing for their retail component, warning about the difficulty in getting financing for retail with condos. Matt Wymer of WXZ responded "We have a lender, thank you. They're aware of that detail. And I'm comfortable with it." And yet she persisted "You might want to get more than one." Matt merely responded "Thank you." She's awful. That hit me like a ton of bricks at the time as well. It was borderline embarrassing. She really thinks she is all knowing about everything and in reality it is just the opposition. I loved how Wymer politely told her to mind her own business and she still had to get the last word.
February 11, 20223 yr 18 hours ago, tykaps said: Regarding the Landmarks meeting today: 12404 Mayfield Rd - Currently 5 apartments. WXZ hopes to convert this to 2 condo residences and one ground floor office condo. 12408 Mayfield Rd - Currently 4 apartments. To be converted to 1 condo residence and one ground floor office condo. 12405 Fairview Ct - Currently 3 family structure. To be demolished and replaced by 2 condo residences over a garage with 5 parking spaces (1 for each total residence). This really is a nice and thoughtful project. I especially like the attempt at a contemporary building on the rear portion, especially since it is a problematic site both size wise and due to adjacent properties being so close. I hope some form of it gets pass the Little Italy taste police and our friends at Landmarks. We really are lucky to have a local firm like WXZ tackling projects on the east side. Their work is thoughtful and definitely quality (although pricey) Not a lot of four story rectangles with rear surface parking in their portfolio. They often tackle difficult sites and come up with some interesting solutions rather than lowest common denominator. I wish they were in a position to do some larger projects in addition to the semi-bespoke developments they tackle-although the Hazel Road development was a pretty nice size.
February 11, 20223 yr On one hand, I dislike the decrease in density cumulatively, but I love the designs! Although in this case, maybe taking a few apartments in Little Italy off the market will start to push the students further into Glenville and help the repopulation efforts in that neighborhood. Rising tide lifts all ships!
February 11, 20223 yr Woodhill Supply (2-10-22) Infill on E 123rd 1940 E 124th Place Well hidden infill along the Lake View fence finishing up. Via 126 townhomes The building at the Casa d’Angolo site is really the last dead space left on Mayfield (aside from the theater). Even before Primo Vino closed ~5 years ago, it was one of the least appealing buildings in the neighborhood. Haven't been to Low Winery and Bistro yet since it opened last year, but its good to see something in the La Collina building. The buildings two other retail spaces are vacant. Baricelli Inn Apartments
February 13, 20223 yr Loving the progress in this very vibrant neighborhood. Boy the aluminum siding salesmen must have had a field day in the 1950’s or whenever they did their thing. Soooo many cool frame houses with that beautiful wood siding covered up by that stuff.
February 24, 20223 yr There is a God. Landmarks approved the Primo Vino project 5-3. I was holding my breath the entire presentation. WXZ made changes to the design which definitely made it less bulky at top. Overall-high quality. Great for the neighborhood.
March 17, 20223 yr New signage. Brescia to Brush was already enough for me…BUSH??? Edited March 17, 20223 yr by MuRrAy HiLL
March 22, 20223 yr On 7/9/2020 at 4:08 PM, KJP said: THURSDAY, JULY 9, 2020 Pandemic quarantines CWRU development Construction of several residence halls at Case Western Reserve University has been put on hold indefinitely, another victim of the COVID-19 pandemic and the fiscal uncertainties that surround it. Construction on the first phase of the $72+ million multi-phased project was due to start in early 2021. Christopher Panichi, CWRU's director of planning, design and construction confirmed today that the expansion of the South Residential Village at Murray Hill and Adelbert roads has been halted. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/07/pandemic-quarantines-cwru-development.html Seems like it's back on: https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/landmark/agenda/2022/PDF/CLC-03-24-2022-AGENDA.pdf Case 22-031: Little Italy Historic District CWRU South Residential Campus Murray Hill Road New Construction of Student Residences Phase 1 & 2 Ward 6: Griffin Project Representatives: Christopher Panichi, Joanne Brown, CWRU; Sindu Meier, William Rawn Associates
April 10, 20223 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 12, 20223 yr This is in La Collina: High & Low Winery temporarily closes Little Italy location Published: Apr. 11, 2022, 2:29 p.m. By Marc Bona, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio – High & Low Winery and Bistro has temporarily closed in Cleveland’s Little Italy until early May. Owner Matt Snyder said he plans to host a grand reopening and take advantage of the bistro’s patio. The winery opened in Little Italy at 12304 Mayfield Road in November. Its original spot is on Medina Road in Medina. Snyder said the temporary closure will allow him to readjust the concept a bit. https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2022/04/high-low-winery-temporarily-closes-little-italy-location.html Edited April 12, 20223 yr by MuRrAy HiLL
April 19, 20223 yr A few more photos of the massive infill on the Little Italy-East Cleveand border: Edited April 19, 20223 yr by MuRrAy HiLL
April 20, 20223 yr https://www.wtol.com/article/news/local/beloved-breadsticks-campus-pollyeyes-announces-plans-for-cleveland/512-0b797a57-6f32-48bb-87c5-c033213c3033For those that have had the pleasure of having campus pollyeyes this is a very welcome addition to Little Italy, for those unaware these are the best breadstick in existence… coming this fall
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