December 9, 20177 yr If this was on Mayfield or Murray Hill I'd say no way. But Random's always been kind of.......well, you know.
December 9, 20177 yr Fits in as well as the awful Case dorms from the 1960s and 70s nearby. Would love to see pictures of what was lost to make those monstrous blocks on north and south campus 50 years ago.
December 11, 20177 yr Fits in as well as the awful Case dorms from the 1960s and 70s nearby. Would love to see pictures of what was lost to make those monstrous blocks on north and south campus 50 years ago. That's where I lived for a semester and a half LOL, I had a Murray Hill Road address. Edgehill/Cornell was always considered the borderline between the campus and LI.
January 5, 20187 yr I don't remember seeing these posted anywhere else and I looked back to Pg 21 of this thread. Is this a newly proposed project? This is from a Zillow listing... BUILDING 1898 E 123rd St Cleveland, OH 44106 2 For Sale 5 Off Market 2 BEDROOM$379,900 4 BEDROOM$549,900 https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/pmf,pf_pt/41.511376,-81.597846_ll/globalrelevanceex_sort/41.516973,-81.592573,41.506368,-81.611027_rect/15_zm/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 6, 20187 yr ^KJP, check page 20 of the thread...it appears the design has changed. Are these finally ready to go? By the way, what ever happen to the modern condo proposal for the Primo Vino site right by this project?
January 6, 20187 yr I knew I should've gone back just one more page! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 7, 20187 yr Author That Random Road development looks like a US embassy in a ME nation aka a fortress.
January 11, 20187 yr It seems like Little Italy is on the cusp of booming when it comes to residential infill at the current moment. What does Quattro's site look like now next to Tony Brush Park? Is 12302 Mayfield Road under site prep? I know there is a hold up with the project next to the LI Red Line station. It seems like in the next two years there will be so many more residents on the border of Little Italy and Uptown.
January 11, 20187 yr A few from Little Italy today. Couldn't get a good shot of Quattro, but it's going vertical. EDIT: sorry, I thought I had reduced them in size. I'll work on that later today. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 18, 20187 yr Update on the zoning litigation involving Visconsi's proposed apartment project on the Woodhill Supply site. On Jan. 9 2018 the common pleas court again ruled in favor of the Zoning Board. Recall this is the second go around at the common pleas level. The CP court ruled in the Board's favor and against Coltman Townhouse resident David Watson more than a year ago and he appealed. Unfortunately the Court of Appeals ruled in favor of Watson in a 2-1 decision (not on the merits but due to a procedural error by the CP court which I will not get into) and sent it back to the CP last May. Watson now has 30 days to appeal again which I am sure he will do, so it will probably be another 6-8 months before this is resolved. The briefing should go quickly as the issues have been briefed countless times between the CP court and the 1st go around in the Court of Appeals. I still believe the Board has a good case and will win on the merits at the appellate level. However, as I expressed before, I wonder if Visconsi is getting tired of this whole thing (may be part of Watson's strategy), or changed circumstances since the announcement might just kill this very large project.
January 18, 20187 yr ^ This is some BS. I hate NIMBYs Another reminder that selfish hyper-individualism has more power than the greater good in the USA. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 18, 20187 yr Any chance the developer can counter-sue for damages from the delay? .... To put this into risk-reward perspective, my firm represented someone on a similar claim last year... $57,000 in legal fees. $74,000 in damages
January 19, 20187 yr ^does the loser have to pay the legal fees in addition to the damages or are the fees the burden of the person bringing the case?
January 19, 20187 yr ^In the United States, the general rule (in fact it is referred to as the American rule) is that each party bears his own legal fees in most circumstances. There are exceptions and they are usually statutory. For example in a statutory federal civil rights action known as a Section 1983 action, the winning party may be (and most of the time is) awarded attorney fees. Another example would be a finding that the action brought is frivolous (again statutory or pursuant Rule 11 of the Civil Rules of Procedure). The Little Italy Visconsi matter is an appeal of a finding of the Board of Zoning Appeals. I am pretty sure each party bears it's own costs. Moreover it is not a damages case. Watson is simply looking to over turn a finding of the Zoning Board which allowed the Visconsi project to proceed.
January 22, 20187 yr Holy cow. It actually could be worse. http://www.bucchieriarchitects.com/fairmount-house/ http://www.bucchieriarchitects.com/valley-ridge-house/ Was this "Fairmount House" built and if so where is it?
January 22, 20187 yr Holy cow. It actually could be worse. http://www.bucchieriarchitects.com/fairmount-house/ http://www.bucchieriarchitects.com/valley-ridge-house/ Was this "Fairmount House" built and if so where is it? 37995 Fairmount Blvd, Hunting Valley
January 22, 20187 yr Holy cow. It actually could be worse. http://www.bucchieriarchitects.com/fairmount-house/ http://www.bucchieriarchitects.com/valley-ridge-house/ Was this "Fairmount House" built and if so where is it? According to their website, Hunting Valley. Chances are, you can't see it from the road.
January 22, 20187 yr https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/33716924_zpid/500000-_price/1905-_mp/41.476786,-81.378951,41.443852,-81.447444_rect/13_zm/0_mmm/1_fr/ This isn't it, is it?
January 23, 20187 yr Three new single-family homes planned at 1977-1979-1981 East 126th Street by XYZ Development: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2018/crr01-29-2018.pdf "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 23, 20187 yr Three new single-family homes planned at 1977-1979-1981 East 126th Street by XYZ Development: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2018/crr01-29-2018.pdf "WXZ Development Incorp., owner, proposes to erect a 28’ x 60’ four story frame single family residence with attached garage" Even with the garage that's a BIG house! Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
February 11, 20187 yr That was one (of a few!) of the City's typos. It should read 34', not 60'. ✌︎??✚?☭????
February 11, 20187 yr Welcome, Kimolos. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 23, 20187 yr A detailed PDF on the La Collina infill for filling in the first floor retail. http://www.passovgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Cleveland-12312-Mayfield-Rd.pdf
March 7, 20187 yr A detailed PDF on the La Collina infill for filling in the first floor retail. http://www.passovgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Cleveland-12312-Mayfield-Rd.pdf btw, "La Collina" translated to English is "The Hill"
March 15, 20187 yr Looks like the Visconsi Woodhill Supply project is dead as reflected in certain filings in the Court of Appeals. Despite winning at all levels (and with a good chance of winning in the Court of Appeals in my opinion), Visconsi gave notice to the court that it is not pursuing its option to purchase the property. As I feared, despite having a questionable case, looks like the plaintiff townhouse owner wore the developer down with three years of litigation (or the developer decided that market forces change during this period of delay or maybe possible financing just dried up). I hope Watson enjoys his continuing view of urban blight.
March 15, 20187 yr Looks like the Visconsi Woodhill Supply project is dead as reflected in certain filings in the Court of Appeals. Despite winning at all levels (and with a good chance of winning in the Court of Appeals in my opinion), Visconsi gave notice to the court that it is not pursuing its option to purchase the property. As I feared, despite having a questionable case, looks like the plaintiff townhouse owner wore the developer down with three years of litigation (or the developer decided that market forces change during this period of delay or maybe possible financing just dried up). I hope Watson enjoys his continuing view of urban blight. F***ing NIMBYs
March 15, 20187 yr Looks like the Visconsi Woodhill Supply project is dead as reflected in certain filings in the Court of Appeals. Despite winning at all levels (and with a good chance of winning in the Court of Appeals in my opinion), Visconsi gave notice to the court that it is not pursuing its option to purchase the property. As I feared, despite having a questionable case, looks like the plaintiff townhouse owner wore the developer down with three years of litigation (or the developer decided that market forces change during this period of delay or maybe possible financing just dried up). I hope Watson enjoys his continuing view of urban blight. What were the grounds for the lawsuit?
March 15, 20187 yr ^challenging approved zoning variances. Why doesn't the city just rezone the land? Wouldn't that negate the lawsuit from a neighboring property owner since the city has the right to control its zoning?
March 15, 20187 yr In a partial victory, the Woodhill Supply buildings were recently demolished and the site cleared. It is ready for development by the next challenger who will hopefully find a way to appease or otherwise neutralize the NIMBY. But if I was Visconsi, I wouldn't sell just yet. I'd go onto his property in the middle of the night and plant seeds for the highest-pollinating vegetation there is, then let nature take its course with high pollen counts and lots of bees. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 15, 20187 yr ^ I'm so spiteful that I would propose the most obnoxious use that falls within the currently allowable zoning.
March 15, 20187 yr If a property owner believes that a development will decrease his property values, is there really something wrong with using all avaliable legal means to prevent it?
March 15, 20187 yr If a property owner believes that a development will decrease his property values, is there really something wrong with using all avaliable legal means to prevent it? Belief is a long way from evidence. When belief wins in the absence of evidence (either way), I have a teeny problem with that. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 15, 20187 yr If a property owner believes that a development will decrease his property values, is there really something wrong with using all avaliable legal means to prevent it? Belief is a long way from evidence. When belief wins in the absence of evidence (either way), I have a teeny problem with that. It wasn't merely "belief" though. He had legal grounds. Belief in an adverse outcome is certainly sufficient to take action to prevent it. On a macro level, that's called "politics". If we want wealthy people to live in the city, we have to expect them to take action to impact their immediate surroundings.
March 15, 20187 yr If a property owner believes that a development will decrease his property values, is there really something wrong with using all avaliable legal means to prevent it? No, there isn't. But in this case the means in question should not have been available. A major city's zoning code should allow for normal urban developments to go forward without requiring variances. Different story if the proposal was for a slag heap or the site was in Grafton.
March 15, 20187 yr It wasn't merely "belief" though. He had legal grounds. Belief in an adverse outcome is certainly sufficient to take action to prevent it. On a macro level, that's called "politics". If we want wealthy people to live in the city, we have to expect them to take action to impact their immediate surroundings. He didn't have legal grounds. He was defeated at every legal turn. He was a greater nuisance than the developer who sought to improve a long-blighted site. I hope someday a developer has the cajones to counter-sue a NIMBY by claiming his/her lawsuit(s) is a nuisance and preventing the developer from improving a neighborhood's quality of life. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 15, 20187 yr Why doesn't the city just rezone the land? Wouldn't that negate the lawsuit from a neighboring property owner since the city has the right to control its zoning? I was thinking the same thing. Cleveland has been actively looking to rezone certain areas for denser residential/mixed use construction. The vast majority of rezoning is from semi and regular industry to multi-family to block potential industrial use where they don't want it, like along the towpath in Tremont and Flats. This fits that mold quite well, to encourage dense multi-family along a major transit corridor.
March 15, 20187 yr If a property owner believes that a development will decrease his property values, is there really something wrong with using all avaliable legal means to prevent it? Belief is a long way from evidence. When belief wins in the absence of evidence (either way), I have a teeny problem with that. It wasn't merely "belief" though. He had legal grounds. Belief in an adverse outcome is certainly sufficient to take action to prevent it. On a macro level, that's called "politics". If we want wealthy people to live in the city, we have to expect them to take action to impact their immediate surroundings. Good grief. If we want wealthy people to live in the city, we have to let developers build places for them to live. This guy may be in his legal right to file nuisance suits, but he's an a-hole for doing so.
March 20, 20187 yr Website is up for La Collina: http://lascolinas.resident360.com/amenities/ That website drives me nuts, but it's pretty par for the course with apartment websites these days: stock pictures of pretty people laughing and drinking coffee and hanging out. Pictures that have nothing to do with the development except sell the illusion that, yes, you too can be like these people if only you rent here. Give me pictures of the actual building any day!
April 12, 20187 yr "Quattro" condos going up quickly: With "Centric" looming in the background: Foundation and infrastructure being done in the hole of the future "La Collina:"
May 9, 20187 yr La Collina apartments on Mayfield Quattro condominiums next to Tony Brush Park "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 9, 20187 yr I was having a drink at Toli last Thursday when I heard a local refer to that construction as "as good for the neighborhood as an abortion clinic" I engaged him and asked why, and he said "because pretty soon this neighborhood won't be any different from anywhere else."
May 9, 20187 yr I was having a drink at Toli last Thursday when I heard a local refer to that construction as "as good for the neighborhood as an abortion clinic" I engaged him and asked why, and he said "because pretty soon this neighborhood won't be any different from anywhere else." Which development? La Collina or Quattro (or both)? Some neighborhoods do get loved to death. I would love to live in Little Italy but my chance of getting into a sub-$200,000 home of good quality has likely passed me by. But the community can ensure that the new developments that come to the neighborhood offer the unique kinds of designs and goods/services/foods that the neighborhood is famous for, just more of it to serve a growing population. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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