One point I forgot is that there were a lot of people there for Marine Week but even with that the increase is obvious

Well even with the Marine week the traffic and parking increase has been noted by FC during their Q & A that was posted earlier and have begun looking at the demographics of who is their to shop so they can attract stores. So like you said even because of Marine Week the increase is obvious.

Thanks for the pictures. I love the station shot. We dont have enough of those or any good transit shots really. If the train was there it would have been perfect, but great picture nonetheless.

 

One point I forgot is that there were a lot of people there for Marine Week but even with that the increase is obvious

 

Makes me wonder, so far the city is doing fine with Superior and Ontario being closed off in Public Square for marine week. Hopefully someone is paying attention, as it is the perfect study to prove we dont need those damn streets running through public square and we can finally just make one large square! :D

Thanks for the pictures. I love the station shot. We dont have enough of those or any good transit shots really. If the train was there it would have been perfect, but great picture nonetheless.

 

One point I forgot is that there were a lot of people there for Marine Week but even with that the increase is obvious

 

Makes me wonder, so far the city is doing fine with Superior and Ontario being closed off in Public Square for marine week. Hopefully someone is paying attention, as it is the perfect study to prove we dont need those damn streets running through public square and we can finally just make one large square! :D

 

Absolutely

Thanks for the pictures. I love the station shot. We dont have enough of those or any good transit shots really. If the train was there it would have been perfect, but great picture nonetheless.

 

One point I forgot is that there were a lot of people there for Marine Week but even with that the increase is obvious

 

Makes me wonder, so far the city is doing fine with Superior and Ontario being closed off in Public Square for marine week. Hopefully someone is paying attention, as it is the perfect study to prove we dont need those damn streets running through public square and we can finally just make one large square! :D

 

Absolutely

 

And I have to imagine it would be even better if most of the buses could be diverted to the West Side Transit Center.  I think that really have the ability to close those streets for good.

Thanks for the pictures. I love the station shot. We dont have enough of those or any good transit shots really. If the train was there it would have been perfect, but great picture nonetheless.

 

One point I forgot is that there were a lot of people there for Marine Week but even with that the increase is obvious

 

Makes me wonder, so far the city is doing fine with Superior and Ontario being closed off in Public Square for marine week. Hopefully someone is paying attention, as it is the perfect study to prove we dont need those damn streets running through public square and we can finally just make one large square! :D

 

Absolutely

 

And I have to imagine it would be even better if most of the buses could be diverted to the West Side Transit Center.  I think that really have the ability to close those streets for good.

 

there will always be buses passing through the square,  the volume of east side buses combined with the limited number of east west routes through downtown ( prospect, superior and st Clair) with superior being the highest capacity route, means that it is difficult to close the square to buses.  what you cold see is a narrow bus only route through the Square of two 11 foot lanes. 

Can the bus/Square convo be moved the Public Square thread, just so the thread stays on topic?

Thanks for the pictures. I love the station shot. We dont have enough of those or any good transit shots really. If the train was there it would have been perfect, but great picture nonetheless.

One point I forgot is that there were a lot of people there for Marine Week but even with that the increase is obvious

Makes me wonder, so far the city is doing fine with Superior and Ontario being closed off in Public Square for marine week. Hopefully someone is paying attention, as it is the perfect study to prove we dont need those damn streets running through public square and we can finally just make one large square! :D

Absolutely

And I have to imagine it would be even better if most of the buses could be diverted to the West Side Transit Center.  I think that really have the ability to close those streets for good.

there will always be buses passing through the square,  the volume of east side buses combined with the limited number of east west routes through downtown ( prospect, superior and st Clair) with superior being the highest capacity route, means that it is difficult to close the square to buses.  what you cold see is a narrow bus only route through the Square of two 11 foot lanes. 

 

Buses isn't the issue, the issue is Superior being designated a Federal route of some kind. 

 

If the square we're to eliminate Ontario and Superior, buses could still navigate the square as the do on Shaker Square.  I would be happy with that.

^Pretty sure biker16 is right.  Diverting the buses to the edges of the square with general traffic could definitely be an operational issue for RTA (RTA certainly claims it would be).  Even with a West Side transit center the plan would be route West Side buses to the STJ Transit Center and East Side buses to the West Side transit center so almost all buses would continue to pass through downtown east-west.  I don't think the problem is insurmountable, but it's definitely an issue.

 

As for the federal route "issue," I could be wrong, but that smells more like UO echo chamber to me. Or at least it's not insurmountable either. If that was definitely a deal breaker (and I know you're not claiming it is ), I doubt people would be spending money on the traffic studies currently ongoing to help determine the feasibility of a roadway redesign.  I know it's not this simple, but FWIW, Route 20 currently follows the peripheral roadways to connect West Superior to Euclid, I believe.

Traffic was heavy around the perimeter of the square this morning, but nothing too horrible. Nothing more than what you see in any major city. BTW, it's pretty cool to see all those tanks, helicopters, trucks and other equipment on the square. There were a lot of people on the square at 9 a.m. I will have to go back down there at noon and take some pictures.

 

Question... It sounds like Ontario might be easier to close than Superior, because of Superior's federal route designation as US 6 and US 20. Federally designated roads also have to follow design criteria and standards, so I wonder if there is a requirement that prohibits paving it with bricks, cobblestones or some other surface that encourages traffic to take the perimeter road? My thought is that if you close Ontario through the square but keep Superior open through the square but repave it with bricks, cobblestones or some traffic-calming surface through the square only, you have some of the pedestrian and visual benefits of closing Superior without actually closing it. Is this possible?

^Not sure..... but take a look at the middle-top pic in this link - http://www.lincolnhighwayoh.com/v1/twenty.html

^Not sure..... but take a look at the middle-top pic in this link - http://www.lincolnhighwayoh.com/v1/twenty.html

That might be a historic portion of 20 and not a part of the current federal highway, judging by the rest of that page.

Public Square with buses and cars on the fringe, and people (plus armor, helicopters and Humvee's with machine-gun turrets) in the center....

 

 

 

 

 

Cool!

 

Any idea how RTA dealt with loss of its bus stops?

Cool!

 

Any idea how RTA dealt with loss of its bus stops?

 

Yes, I should have taken pictures of it. RTA posted "closed" tape across its shelters that are located "inside" the square with signs directing passengers to the temporary stop location(s). The HealthLine and the trolley routes were unaffected.

 

When my #55 bus (takes Superior through the square) arrived Public Square, the driver said that he would not make any unscheduled stops around the perimeter of the square and would make all regular stops outside the square. He said that prior to arriving the stop at the corner of Superior and West Roadway, where almost the entire standing-room only crowd on the 10:30 a.m. bus disembarked. Although most times I've been on the #55, probably 50-75 percent of its passengers get off at that same stop anyway. So not much changed on my bus.

^Just to add to the bus comments, my 55F going West tonight only fell behind by 15 minutes due to the congestion around the square.  In time it would just modify my expected destination arrival.

^Just to add to the bus comments, my 55F going West tonight only fell behind by 15 minutes due to the congestion around the square.  In time it would just modify my expected destination arrival.

 

And I would imagine that if the square were to be become a Square-a-bout permanently then drivers would adjust their trip times as well.  I do think that this would have to lead to a lane reduction on Ontario south to Prospect and north to St. Clair.  Which would not be a bad idea at all.

 

From a PD article last October (http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2011/10/cleveland_mayor_frank_jackson.html)

 

To explore the possibility, the city is working with the Downtown Cleveland Alliance, which has hired a traffic consultant to study whether it’s possible to close one or both of the cross streets in the square. The alliance is using roughly $115,000 in private money, much of it from foundations, to pay for the study.

 

Scheduled for completion in February, the analysis follows a separate effort two years ago, also led by the alliance, in which it asked the leading American landscape architect, James Corner, to envision three concepts for renovating the square. (emphasis mine)

 

Assuming the study was completed on time, I wonder if a specific proposal based on the findings is in the works as we speak...

 

Also, of note is the current debate going on among County Council how to use the county's share of the casino money.  Fitzgerald wants to spend it on downtown capital improvements so there is a possible funding source out there... [some of the councilors, though, want to spend more in other parts of the county].

It would make sense for the casino money to be used for the giant public space right outside the casinos front door!

Square-a-bout

 

I like that!

This picture shows perfectly why Public Square sucks.

 

This picture shows perfectly why Public Square sucks.

 

 

The only things missing are "Jersey" barriers and interstate-style off ramps!

This picture shows perfectly why Public Square s--ks.

 

 

 

There's been a lot of debate over public square on this forum, and I thought this image was a good example of the issues for Public Square.  There's a contingent that thinks we should close off the square and make it one large public space, and others that think it's use as a transit hub/public area is not only acceptable but supported historically as a vibrant land-use choice.

 

When I look at this picture and see the ratio of pavement to park it becomes clear to me that Cleveland suffers from "planning-diffidence".  Instead of boldly assigning uses and identities to our assets we end up with timid adjustments that inspire no one (developers) and leave the city only "half way there" on projects.  A colleague of mine in the planning department for Shaker Heights mentioned to me that C. Heights has been very good at picking an economic development project and going 100% even at the risk of leaving behind other projects.  The idea is to be certain that the inertia of benefits added to an area is not lost by planning things one step at a time, but instead a large investment and change is made completely reshaping the zone.

 

 

Between the Mall and Public Square Cleveland has an incredible set of assets that, if used properly, can make huge impact.  I'm not going to promote one particular idea over another, but instead make the point that whatever uses and designs are decided on be implemented quickly and completely. 

 

 

I recall when James Corner Field Operations presented their ideas, many Councilmen seemed almost giddy at the "Thread it" idea - which is something most of us have considered ill-conceived, and the Mayor's Group Plan of course put out grand ideas for the Mall and PS but the new Convention Center has already changed the dynamic of Mall B in the mean time.  We need a comprehensive approach that can be put in motion.

 

I don't mean to downplay the obvious hurdles (costs & bureaucratic process) but in the end that's the name of the game.  Campbell gave us the Waterfront Plan, Jackson has given us the Group Plan Part II, but these (expensive) documents languish on the shelves and at best provide a first look guidance to future plans.  I love this town and am not trying to be a Cleveland.com poster with negativity, but it's imperative that the leaders triage the projects/plans in the pipeline and move on them to completion. 

 

This might warrant a separate topic but I believe that Public Square is the top priority for that list.  It connects the WHD to Euclid, the Mall/Med Mart to Tower City, and is (as is true in all towns) the intended centerpiece for the urban core.

 

 

 

 

This picture shows perfectly why Public Square sucks.

 

 

I think Cleveland may get even more out of a streetscape and street-slimming program than just a Public Square redesign.

Hot off the Presses!!!

 

Public Square traffic study by Nelson Nygaard a strong first step toward a greener downtown by Cleveland's Group Plan CommissionWednesday, June 13, 2012, 8:00 PM

By Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer

 

One of the great truisms of city planning is that small amounts of money spent early in a design process can have enormous positive or negative effects down the road.

That’s what makes it big news — and good news — that a traffic consultant has recommended closing Ontario Street for two blocks as it runs north-south through Public Square.

The $120,000 study completed by Nelson Nygaard, a San Francisco consulting firm, is a critical first step in making all of downtown Cleveland greener, livelier, more beautiful and more hospitable to development.

 

>>>>>>>>> http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2012/06/public_square_traffic_study_by.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like the idea of one large square, but I dont want it to be impossible enter and exit that square due to traffic around the square. I hate the current configuration, but am not sure what the best choice is.

Scheduled for completion in February, the analysis follows a separate effort two years ago, also led by the alliance, in which it asked the leading American landscape architect, James Corner, to envision three concepts for renovating the square. (emphasis mine)

 

Assuming the study was completed on time, I wonder if a specific proposal based on the findings is in the works as we speak...

 

Dang it, I should have played the lotto today instead of wasting my lucky guess on Public Square.

 

I'm pretty excited by this news.  Can't wait to see the next generation of Corner's design schemes.  With this major variable removed from the permutations, it should be much easier to focus on the different design directions.

Some more coverage - http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/06/cleveland_traffic_study_sugges.html

 

I found this bit encouraging...

 

Ken Silliman, chief of staff for Jackson, said in an interview Wednesday that the mayor is eager for further data analysis and to learn if limiting Superior's traffic to transit lines is a possibility.

 

And loved reading this...

 

Silliman said the mayor is satisfied with the study's results, provided that Superior be redesigned to look like a plaza that blends with the rest of the square's streetscape when it is closed to traffic for special events.

 

Some more coverage - http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/06/cleveland_traffic_study_sugges.html

 

I found this bit encouraging...

 

Ken Silliman, chief of staff for Jackson, said in an interview Wednesday that the mayor is eager for further data analysis and to learn if limiting Superior's traffic to transit lines is a possibility.

 

And loved reading this...

 

Silliman said the mayor is satisfied with the study's results, provided that Superior be redesigned to look like a plaza that blends with the rest of the square's streetscape when it is closed to traffic for special events.

 

 

Awesome. Jackson has said previously that he wants it to be one large square.

 

I do hope they come up with better designs than last time though.

I'm sorry, I'm not from here and I'm sure I could find this, but was Public Square ever one big square?

I'm sorry, I'm not from here and I'm sure I could find this, but was Public Square ever one big square?

To make a long story short, yes, but back in the 1800s. (Cows grazed there)

Are there other squares where main streets dead end into? Union Square in San Francisco for example is more of a city block. It just fits in with the rest of the street grid.

I like the idea of one large square, but I dont want it to be impossible enter and exit that square due to traffic around the square. I hate the current configuration, but am not sure what the best choice is.

 

I think I agree with the Mayor. He's accepting a middle ground, where if traffic must continue on Superior, that the street should at least match the rest of the big square aesthetically.

 

I'm thinking some quality brick or even cobblestone will work.

 

I always thought the worst part of PS wasn't that traffic moved through it, but rather the speed of traffic and the overall anti-pedestrian feel were the real problems.

Some more coverage - http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/06/cleveland_traffic_study_sugges.html

 

I found this bit encouraging...

 

Ken Silliman, chief of staff for Jackson, said in an interview Wednesday that the mayor is eager for further data analysis and to learn if limiting Superior's traffic to transit lines is a possibility.

 

And loved reading this...

 

Silliman said the mayor is satisfied with the study's results, provided that Superior be redesigned to look like a plaza that blends with the rest of the square's streetscape when it is closed to traffic for special events.

 

 

Awesome. Jackson has said previously that he wants it to be one large square.

 

I do hope they come up with better designs than last time though.

 

I kinda hated the Connor designs. Especially the "drastic change" proposals. Look, we don't need to re-invent the wheel here. Rendering the place unrecognizable ie a big grass hill/field would be a major mistake.

 

 

After seeing how traffic has flowed during Marine Week's closure of the square, I don't think we'll see a negative situation if we close one or both streets through the square. A number of us have suggested keeping Superior open only with a change of surface paving and/or as a transit-only route so I'm glad to see the mayor has embraced similar suggestions from his staff.

 

Burnham_2011's diagram shows how this would look from above (see below). It also includes extending the decorative pavers to the "square-about" streets, but I don't know enough about the durability of the pavers to know if they can handle stresses from heavy vehicles making changes in direction on them.

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,6560.msg550322.html#msg550322

Is the funding in place for all of this?  The City keeps spending money on studies..... is there any timetable?

^I don't think the city spent any money on these studies; I think it was all private/foundation money.  The only timetable in the news coverage was for the next round of designs: three months.  Then, I'd imagine, the city and Group Plan will need to select a scheme, raise money for a more detailed cost estimate, and then raise money for construction.  Hopefully casino money can make up a big chunk of it.

 

I kinda hated the Connor designs. Especially the "drastic change" proposals. Look, we don't need to re-invent the wheel here. Rendering the place unrecognizable ie a big grass hill/field would be a major mistake.

 

I think that first round was just to get the discussion going by showing the range of options. You'll recall that some of the original ideas were pretty conventional, involving no grade changes or bridges.  Now that we know what the street pattern will be, and presumably with some cost parameters from the city/Group Plan Commission, I'm guessing the next round of designs will be more realistic and more to your liking.

Is the funding in place for all of this?  The City keeps spending money on studies..... is there any timetable?

 

The Million dollar question...from the tone of today's PD articles I'm afraid it sounds like we're still many years away.

 

Question: PS is very valuable real estate. Why can't the city provide some basic infrastructure and then lease out retail space to the highest bidder? Why can't they could generate revenues for continuing redevelopment that way?

 

http://www.otto-otto.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/sw-porch.jpg

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Bryant_Park_Xmas_shopping_jeh.JPG

 

http://z.about.com/d/manhattan/1/7/u/_/Southwest-Porch-at-Bryant-Park.JPG

^How much revenue potential do you really think there is in public square's current state?

Would bridges, maybe even with benches over superior Ave work? That way Superior doesn't remain such a huge barrier.

^How much revenue potential do you really think there is in public square's current state?

 

I'm nowhere near an expert in this area. But you have to think that the sheer number of people who walk through here provides a great amount of potential. Give people any reason to stop for five minutes. Plus it would be a unique draw as well.

 

http://www.otto-otto.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/sw-porch.jpg

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Bryant_Park_Xmas_shopping_jeh.JPG

 

http://z.about.com/d/manhattan/1/7/u/_/Southwest-Porch-at-Bryant-Park.JPG

 

Again, check out these structures. They are well placed, attractive and best of all could be built immediately!

 

The flavor of PS could be dramatically altered in weeks, not years.

^I think it's a virtual certainty that the redesgin of Public Square will include some significant revenue-generating concessions, but not sure how much potential there is now.  Would probably require some capital improvements to bring in utilities, and would only be for (I hope) a couple years before almost all of it scraped clean.

 

^^Unless you sunk Superior (which would be expensive and complicate bus boardings), any bridge structure would have to be pretty massive to allow for the minimum required clearance over the roadway and meet ADA ramping requirements. Might still be work, but it wouldn't be a minor thing.

Surfohio those are great examples. They work so well in other urban centers, why not here. I mean it works at CrockerPark. With the thousands who interact with PS everyday it seems like it would be a great opportunity for someone.

Surfohio those are great examples. They work so well in other urban centers, why not here. I mean it works at CrockerPark. With the thousands who interact with PS everyday it seems like it would be a great opportunity for someone.

 

Thank you. The solutions for PS seem so obvious to me. I want someone to explain why this won't work. At least to get the process started toward a greater, overall vision.

Yeah, sorry, I should say that I definitely like all those places, surf (and have been a frequent customer of at least one of them :) ) and would love to see something like that on the square right now.  I just don't see it as meaningful source of money towards the reconstruction. It might even be a net money loss for the city to do something like that now if there aren't sufficient utilities or if other capital improvements are required.

 

EDIT: FWIW, I don't mean to read too much into it, but I'm pretty sure the pavilion on Star Plaza was originally intended to be a revenue generating space but for whatever reason it's never been one. Not sure if it's the lack of interest from concessions or just poor management.

Is the funding in place for all of this?  The City keeps spending money on studies..... is there any timetable?

 

The Million dollar question...from the tone of today's PD articles I'm afraid it sounds like we're still many years away.

 

Question: PS is very valuable real estate. Why can't the city provide some basic infrastructure and then lease out retail space to the highest bidder? Why can't they could generate revenues for continuing redevelopment that way?

 

http://www.otto-otto.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/sw-porch.jpg

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Bryant_Park_Xmas_shopping_jeh.JPG

 

http://z.about.com/d/manhattan/1/7/u/_/Southwest-Porch-at-Bryant-Park.JPG

 

Please note, the city of NY didn't do that to Bryant Park, so you cannot compare what has been done in BP to what we may like to see on PS.

 

Bryant Park is privatively managed.  I would like to see a better and unified PS, but not at the expensive of a private company who can program it at will without the consent of the public.

 

Southwest porch is funded by Southwest airlines

'wichcrafe are owned by Tom Colicchio

Bryant Park Grill/Cafe by Ark Restaurants

CitiPond and the holiday shops by Citi.

 

Public Square is something that should be Cleveland's "front door" not corporate Cleveland's tool.  I would like to see things that make the area an oasis in the heart of the city (ice cream stand, run by a local businesses owner in Summer and in winter its serves Hot Chocolate, etc.;  A small sandwich shop; Information Kiosk and something to bridge it to the Mall"  A fountain or great piece of public Art)

 

Some of the things mentioned above, to me, are better suited for a larger space like the Mall.  Then perhaps MMPI and those involved with the Group Plan can finance the "enhancements".

Surfohio those are great examples. They work so well in other urban centers, why not here. I mean it works at CrockerPark. With the thousands who interact with PS everyday it seems like it would be a great opportunity for someone.

 

I'm not trying to be mean but PS and Crocker Park are two different beasts. 

MTS, as long as the bulk of the square remains public, I don't think many people are going to care if the square is privately managed or if the concessions are sponsored.  And given the city's record with park maintenance, I'd guess most people would prefer that DCA or some other private group take charge of the maintenance.

Just rebuild the fake beer garden they had up during the Avengers filming.

Yeah, sorry, I should say that I definitely like all those places, surf (and have been a frequent customer of at least one of them :) ) and would love to see something like that on the square right now.  I just don't see it as meaningful source of money towards the reconstruction. It might even be a net money loss for the city to do something like that now if there aren't sufficient utilities or if other capital improvements are required.

 

EDIT: FWIW, I don't mean to read too much into it, but I'm pretty sure the pavilion on Star Plaza was originally intended to be a revenue generating space but for whatever reason it's never been one. Not sure if it's the lack of interest from concessions or just poor management.

 

I had to google search Star Plaza! Got ya.

 

Again I'm no expert. Even if I'm wrong and the leases aren't a financial windfall. We're spending public money on PS anyhow. At least this infrastructure, minimal as it is, at the very least could contribute to the quality of life and get the ball rolling asap.

The Million dollar question...from the tone of today's PD articles I'm afraid it sounds like we're still many years away.

 

That's not a million-dollar question. It's a matter of routine procedure when you're dealing with transportation projects, especially those involving federal matters. Since Superior is a federal route (US 6 and US 20), there is a process established by federal law (National Environmental Policy Act) which needs to be followed to determine the impact of this change on natural and built environments. In its most basic form, the project development process under NEPA starts with an alternatives analysis. Then the preferred alternative is subjected to an environmental documentation (there are three different types depending on the scale of the proposed change -- categorical exclusion, environmental assessment or environmental impact analysis). Sometimes an alternatives analysis can include some environmental documentation. Then the proposed project and its environmental mitigation elements become the subject of preliminary engineering to determine a projected construction cost. If the project meets federal criteria (for road projects, criteria is focused on traffic flow and safety; for transit projects, criteria is focused on cost-effectiveness), if is therefore eligible to receive funding, and if its score gives it higher priority over other transportation needs, then it could receive funding in about five years after a NEPA-compliant assessment begins. That five years is the average time, according to the Federal Highway Administration, and can vary depending on how complicated a project is. Then the project undergoes final engineering and construction.

 

Any change to Superior Avenue through Public Square will probably have more impacts on built environments (increased noise, vibration, affects on historic structures, and issues of safety on other nearby streets where traffic will be diverted) but there are some impacts on natural environments (increased air pollution from vehicles having to stop-start more often in congestion and from X number of vehicles having to take Y longer routes). If it is found that these impacts are serious enough and any proposed mitigation is either too expensive or not sufficient to reduce the impacts, then the project would not receive a Finding Of No Significant Impact (FONSI) from the appropriate federal agency or agencies, in this case the Federal Highway Administration/FHWA (and possibly the Federal Transit Administration will have a say in signing off on the FONSI, as might the department of Housing and Urban Development). If there is no FONSI forthcoming, then there will be no federal money forthcoming. Or the mitigation measures necessary to achieve a FONSI may be so expensive that the non-federal funding share (20-50 percent) may be so expensive that the city/county/state may not be able to afford. And of course the way gas tax revenues are declining, the feds may not have the money to pay for the project either! The FHWA is probably not going to support a project that increases levels of vehicular congestion on federal roads. They have road congestion rating system and they do not fund projects that cause a road or roads to experience higher congestion ratings.

 

Because changing Superior Avenue through Public Square is a federal matter, local approvals of any redesign project have to go before the region's Metropolitan Planning Organization, which for our region is the Northeast Ohio Areawide Coordinating Agency. If the proposed improvements to Public Square meet NOACA's scoring criteria for funding eligibility, then it can receive funding. However, if that score is not high enough to rank higher than that of other projects of need in the five-county region, then it will have to wait for funding.

 

Determining the impacts and costs from any change to Superior Avenue, its funding eligibility, its ranking and its timeline....  Now THOSE are the million-dollar questions!