Since the Cleveland metro area is shrinking, I've been curious as to what the metro population peaked at. What I've found doesn't really seem accurate.

 

One website I found said it peak at 1.9 million, which is obviously wrong since is greater than that now. Another site said that it peaked at 2.2 million. I feel like the metro would have been larger than 2.2 million at some time.

 

Can anybody help me out?

 

    All population counts depend on a definite boundary. Often the argument about population devolves into an argument on where the boundary should be drawn. Which boundary are you talking about? The city proper? The county? The MSA? CSA? the urbanized area? the "metro" area? The media market?

 

  Also, can we assume you are talking about a nightime Census, that is, where people spend the night?

It would be a bit of a tedious task, but one way of doing it would be to add up the population numbers from the seven county area (Cuyahoga and each contiguous county) for each decade's Census report, and do a comparison.

 

The Census has a very technical way of defining metropolitan areas, so one city's geographic metropolitan area can change from one report to the next (for instance, there is some speculation that the Dayton MSA will be joining up with the Cincinnati MSA at some point in the near future).  So even if you have the technical MSA numbers from previous years, who knows exactly what kind of geographic area that is measuring?

 

Just quickly looking at the data, Cuyahoga County peaked in 1970 with about 1.7 million people.  Summit County peaked in 1970, as well, with about 10,000 more people than it currently has (though it's grown a bit in recent decades).  Beyond that, every other county bordering Cuyahoga is currently at its population peak, though not quite enough to make up for the 400,000+ residents that Cuyahoga County has lost since its peak in 1970.

I was bored at work, I crunched the numbers, and here's what I came up with:

 

MSA (Cuyahoga, Lorain, Medina, Geauga, Lake)

1950:  1,680,736

1960:  2,126,983

1970:  2,321,037

1980:  2,173,734

1990:  2,102,248

2000:  2,148,143

 

CSA (above plus Summit, Portage, and Ashtabula)

1950:  2,233,417

1960:  2,825,417

1970:  3,098,513

1980:  2,938,277

1990:  2,859,644

2000:  2,945,831

 

So, the peak year for both MSA and CSA was 1970, then we declined in population for two decades until 1990, then both the MSA and CSA grew between 1990 and 2000.

We just need to redefine what should be appropriately considered our true metro population.  The fact that Akron is not considered part of our metro, but Newark is part of NYC's is just absurd IMO. 

 

We have some good debates on here about Cincy/Dayton and Cleveland/Akron being in singular metro areas in reality, even if the census does not treat them that way.  However, one thing I thought of over the weekend that is rarely brought up is how the lake factors into this.  Unlike Cincy, we have a firm northern boundary.  Our metro pop obviously does not extend into the lake the way that Cincy's does into Ky and Indiana.  Therefore, by cutting out Summit County, we are only measuring a geographic area that is about 15 miles (if that) deep.  Cincy's probably goes 25 miles or so in every direction from downtown.

 

^But that has nothing to do with growth expansion.  For example, see Detroit.  If Cleveland sustained growth, Medina, Lorain, and Geauga would've became more urbanized much like a Macomb or Oakland County.  I mean, the Pacific Ocean didn't stop Los Angeles to spread it's cul-de-sac wings into the Moreno Valley nor did a swamp prohibit Miami to grow over 5+ million.

^But that has nothing to do with growth expansion.  For example, see Detroit.  If Cleveland sustained growth, Medina, Lorain, and Geauga would've became more urbanized much like a Macomb or Oakland County.  I mean, the Pacific Ocean didn't stop Los Angeles to spread it's cul-de-sac wings into the Moreno Valley nor did a swamp prohibit Miami to grow over 5+ million.

 

And the lake isn't stopping suburban explosion into Summit and Portage Counties (Twinsburg, Bath, Aurora, etc).  But they don't count for our metro numbers, which is insane.

^But that has nothing to do with growth expansion. For example, see Detroit. If Cleveland sustained growth, Medina, Lorain, and Geauga would've became more urbanized much like a Macomb or Oakland County. I mean, the Pacific Ocean didn't stop Los Angeles to spread it's cul-de-sac wings into the Moreno Valley nor did a swamp prohibit Miami to grow over 5+ million.

 

And the lake isn't stopping suburban explosion into Summit and Portage Counties (Twinsburg, Bath, Aurora, etc). But they don't count for our metro numbers, which is insane.

Exactly, that was sort of the point of your initial post, no??  Columbus metro area is 3.2 million square miles, and stretches from Delaware to Circleville, that is 52 miles.  But, Cleveland, which has of course, has no northern 'burbs shouldn't count Akron in its MSA, even though it's 39 miles downtown to downtown, and their suburbs overlap.  Right??

^But that has nothing to do with growth expansion. For example, see Detroit. If Cleveland sustained growth, Medina, Lorain, and Geauga would've became more urbanized much like a Macomb or Oakland County. I mean, the Pacific Ocean didn't stop Los Angeles to spread it's cul-de-sac wings into the Moreno Valley nor did a swamp prohibit Miami to grow over 5+ million.

 

I wasn't talking about growth expansion.  I was simply just railing on that way they measure our metro pop, which, as said above, is insane.  Given the same land mass as other metro areas around the country and Cleveland's metro pop is far above what it is currently reported at.

^But that has nothing to do with growth expansion. For example, see Detroit. If Cleveland sustained growth, Medina, Lorain, and Geauga would've became more urbanized much like a Macomb or Oakland County. I mean, the Pacific Ocean didn't stop Los Angeles to spread it's cul-de-sac wings into the Moreno Valley nor did a swamp prohibit Miami to grow over 5+ million.

 

And the lake isn't stopping suburban explosion into Summit and Portage Counties (Twinsburg, Bath, Aurora, etc). But they don't count for our metro numbers, which is insane.

 

They do, with a CSA.  It's not part of your MSA because Akron can clearly hold its own in business (commuters).

^But that has nothing to do with growth expansion. For example, see Detroit. If Cleveland sustained growth, Medina, Lorain, and Geauga would've became more urbanized much like a Macomb or Oakland County. I mean, the Pacific Ocean didn't stop Los Angeles to spread it's cul-de-sac wings into the Moreno Valley nor did a swamp prohibit Miami to grow over 5+ million.

 

I wasn't talking about growth expansion. I was simply just railing on that way they measure our metro pop, which, as said above, is insane. Given the same land mass as other metro areas around the country and Cleveland's metro pop is far above what it is currently reported at.

 

Again, they do include Akron with the Cleveland-Akron-Ashtabula CSA.  Should Canton be included (personally)?  Certainly.  But when discussing MSA, clearly Cleveland and Akron are (and should be) separate.  Much like Cincinnati and Dayton.  Like Washington DC and Baltimore.  Like San Fran and San Jose.

^But that has nothing to do with growth expansion. For example, see Detroit. If Cleveland sustained growth, Medina, Lorain, and Geauga would've became more urbanized much like a Macomb or Oakland County. I mean, the Pacific Ocean didn't stop Los Angeles to spread it's cul-de-sac wings into the Moreno Valley nor did a swamp prohibit Miami to grow over 5+ million.

 

I wasn't talking about growth expansion. I was simply just railing on that way they measure our metro pop, which, as said above, is insane. Given the same land mass as other metro areas around the country and Cleveland's metro pop is far above what it is currently reported at.

 

Again, they do include Akron with the Cleveland-Akron-Ashtabula CSA. Should Canton be included (personally)? Certainly. But when discussing MSA, clearly Cleveland and Akron are (and should be) separate. Much like Cincinnati and Dayton. Like Washington DC and Baltimore. Like San Fran and San Jose.

Cleveland to Akron is 39 miles, DC to Baltimore is 49 miles, Cincinnati to Dayton is 49 mles, San Jose to San Francisco is 48 miles; So Cleveland/Akron is about 25% closer than any of those examples, and is again "water-locked" on one side (unlike Cincinnati/Dayton).

 

Meanwhile, Delaware and Circleville (52 miles) is considered part of the Columbus MSA, and Hamilton, OH to Independence, KY (39 miles) is considered part of the Cincinnati MSA.

 

It's obvious that Cleveland/Akron is one MSA, people up here know that..

It's obvious that Cleveland/Akron is one MSA, people up here know that..

 

I'm from up there, and would not consider Akron part of Cleveland's MSA. I would say that there aren't enough people who commute from Akron to Cleveland to consider it one MSA.

 

And you said from Hamilton to Independence?? How far are EACH from Cincinnati? 23 and 21 miles respectively.

^But that has nothing to do with growth expansion. For example, see Detroit. If Cleveland sustained growth, Medina, Lorain, and Geauga would've became more urbanized much like a Macomb or Oakland County. I mean, the Pacific Ocean didn't stop Los Angeles to spread it's cul-de-sac wings into the Moreno Valley nor did a swamp prohibit Miami to grow over 5+ million.

 

I wasn't talking about growth expansion. I was simply just railing on that way they measure our metro pop, which, as said above, is insane. Given the same land mass as other metro areas around the country and Cleveland's metro pop is far above what it is currently reported at.

 

Again, they do include Akron with the Cleveland-Akron-Ashtabula CSA. Should Canton be included (personally)? Certainly. But when discussing MSA, clearly Cleveland and Akron are (and should be) separate. Much like Cincinnati and Dayton. Like Washington DC and Baltimore. Like San Fran and San Jose.

Cleveland to Akron is 39 miles, DC to Baltimore is 49 miles, Cincinnati to Dayton is 49 mles, San Jose to San Francisco is 48 miles; So Cleveland/Akron is about 25% closer than any of those examples, and is again "water-locked" on one side (unlike Cincinnati/Dayton).

 

Meanwhile, Delaware and Circleville (52 miles) is considered part of the Columbus MSA, and Hamilton, OH to Independence, KY (39 miles) is considered part of the Cincinnati MSA.

 

It's obvious that Cleveland/Akron is one MSA, people up here know that..

 

Oh Good GOD PEOPLE!!!  Circleville's county BORDERS Columbus' county.  Ditto with Delaware so it isn't THAT far out.  Marion and Chillicothe's counties are a part of Columbus' CSA, much like Ashtabula is to Cleveland.  Akron is a substantial city UNLIKE Hamilton, Independence KY, Delaware, or Circleville.  If I were from Akron, I would be INSULTED if a metropolitan area of 700,000 were compared to Delaware!

 

Akron's metro has 700,000 people!  It is its own seperate MSA for "DUH" reasons.  It's a part of Cleveland's CSA (UNLIKE Cincinnati and Dayton), and rightfully so, but it should not (and rightfully) be a part of the MSA.  Mileage means nothing since all of those milage numbers you gave me deal with CSA!!!

It's obvious that Cleveland/Akron is one MSA, people up here know that..

 

I'm from up there, and would not consider Akron part of Cleveland's MSA. I would say that there aren't enough people who commute from Akron to Cleveland to consider it one MSA.

 

And you said from Hamilton to Independence?? How far are EACH from Cincinnati? 23 and 21 miles respectively.

I work in Independence, OH, about 1/4 of the people in the office LIVE in Akron.  Their drive from Akron is shorter than my drive from a "Cleveland MSA suburb" by about 10 minutes.

 

The example of Hamilton & Independence, KY is the point of this thread.  Cleveland's MSA CAN NOT grow north, it only has three directions to sprawl, and one of them is south.

It's obvious that Cleveland/Akron is one MSA, people up here know that..

 

I'm from up there, and would not consider Akron part of Cleveland's MSA. I would say that there aren't enough people who commute from Akron to Cleveland to consider it one MSA.

 

And you said from Hamilton to Independence?? How far are EACH from Cincinnati? 23 and 21 miles respectively.

Let's try it this way.  If Richfield was the center of the Cleveland/Akron MSA, it would be 20 miles to Akron and 20 miles to Cleveland; both closer than the Hamilton & Independence, KY to Cincinnati example.  Richfield is considered more of an Akron suburb, but is where the "Cleveland" Cavaliers played for 20 years.

And let's try it THIS way.  CSA is used for those case examples of a larger metropolitan region.  Like...

 

Detroit-Flint

Cleveland-Akron

Boston-Providence

Baltimore-Washington

San Jose-San Francisco

 

Blah blah.  The 49ers are moving to San Jose's MSA; Foxboro is closer to Providence than Boston; blah blah blah.  That's why CSA's exist.  CONSOLIDATED cities.  Akron obviously is a substantial city so therefore, it's its own MSA.  Now for your Richfield's and Hudson's, that's where CSA's come into play.  But overall, a city has suburbs and Akron clearly has suburbs, thus it has an MSA.  Hamilton, Delaware, Circleville, etc do NOT have suburbs and therefore are satellite cities of Cincinnati and Columbus.

^But that has nothing to do with growth expansion. For example, see Detroit. If Cleveland sustained growth, Medina, Lorain, and Geauga would've became more urbanized much like a Macomb or Oakland County. I mean, the Pacific Ocean didn't stop Los Angeles to spread it's cul-de-sac wings into the Moreno Valley nor did a swamp prohibit Miami to grow over 5+ million.

 

I wasn't talking about growth expansion. I was simply just railing on that way they measure our metro pop, which, as said above, is insane. Given the same land mass as other metro areas around the country and Cleveland's metro pop is far above what it is currently reported at.

 

Again, they do include Akron with the Cleveland-Akron-Ashtabula CSA. Should Canton be included (personally)? Certainly. But when discussing MSA, clearly Cleveland and Akron are (and should be) separate. Much like Cincinnati and Dayton. Like Washington DC and Baltimore. Like San Fran and San Jose.

Cleveland to Akron is 39 miles, DC to Baltimore is 49 miles, Cincinnati to Dayton is 49 mles, San Jose to San Francisco is 48 miles; So Cleveland/Akron is about 25% closer than any of those examples, and is again "water-locked" on one side (unlike Cincinnati/Dayton).

 

Meanwhile, Delaware and Circleville (52 miles) is considered part of the Columbus MSA, and Hamilton, OH to Independence, KY (39 miles) is considered part of the Cincinnati MSA.

 

It's obvious that Cleveland/Akron is one MSA, people up here know that..

 

Oh Good GOD PEOPLE!!! Circleville's county BORDERS Columbus' county. Ditto with Delaware so it isn't THAT far out. Marion and Chillicothe's counties are a part of Columbus' CSA, much like Ashtabula is to Cleveland. Akron is a substantial city UNLIKE Hamilton, Independence KY, Delaware, or Circleville. If I were from Akron, I would be INSULTED if a metropolitan area of 700,000 were compared to Delaware!

 

Akron's metro has 700,000 people! It is its own seperate MSA for "DUH" reasons. It's a part of Cleveland's CSA (UNLIKE Cincinnati and Dayton), and rightfully so, but it should not (and rightfully) be a part of the MSA. Mileage means nothing since all of those milage numbers you gave me deal with CSA!!!

I could provide so many example of two large "cities" of equal distance between Cleveland/Akron, that are counted as one MSA.  Dallas/Ft Worth being the best example.  What are your thoughts on that MSA?

Seeing how there are only two municipalities (Grand Prairie and Arlington) between both largely annexed cities, it's quite fair for them to be a single MSA, much like Minneapolis and St. Paul.  Obviously, the commuting patterns between the two are intermingled so it's natural for them to be a single entity.

 

And why are you so concerned about MSA when Akron is already included in Cleveland's CSA?

And let's try it THIS way. CSA is used for those case examples of a larger metropolitan region. Like...

 

Detroit-Flint

Cleveland-Akron

Boston-Providence

Baltimore-Washington

San Jose-San Francisco

 

Blah blah. The 49ers are moving to San Jose's MSA; Foxboro is closer to Providence than Boston; blah blah blah. That's why CSA's exist. CONSOLIDATED cities. Akron obviously is a substantial city so therefore, it's its own MSA. Now for your Richfield's and Hudson's, that's where CSA's come into play. But overall, a city has suburbs and Akron clearly has suburbs, thus it has an MSA. Hamilton, Delaware, Circleville, etc do NOT have suburbs and therefore are satellite cities of Cincinnati and Columbus.

This is ridiculous.  It would not be the "Cleveland" MSA, it is the Cleveland/Akron MSA.

 

The Cleveland CSA is Cleveland/Akron/Canton, and if Detroit's counting Flint, Cleveland should pull in Y-Town, same distance.

It's ridiculous to assume Akron ISN'T a heavily commuted downtown with a central core and suburban ring that would naturally assume it being its own MSA.  THAT'S what crazy.  And THAT'S why the Census uses commuting patterns to show who commutes to what.  Barberton isn't 'suburban Cleveland,' it's suburban Akron.  Detroit and Flint are a CSA, much like Cleveland and Akron.  Obviously, not enough people in Youngstown commute to Cleveland for it to be part of Cleveland's CSA, much like Dayton's current predicament with Cincinnati.

 

Again, I still don't see why any of you care that Akron should be a part of Cleveland's MSA when it already is a part of the CSA. 

Some might argue that the Canton-Massillon MSA should be combined with the Akron MSA or Youngstown MSA. :)

It's ridiculous to assume Akron ISN'T a heavily commuted downtown with a central core and suburban ring that would naturally assume it being its own MSA. THAT'S what crazy. And THAT'S why the Census uses commuting patterns to show who commutes to what. Barberton isn't 'suburban Cleveland,' it's suburban Akron. Detroit and Flint are a CSA, much like Cleveland and Akron. Obviously, not enough people in Youngstown commute to Cleveland for it to be part of Cleveland's CSA, much like Dayton's current predicament with Cincinnati.

 

Again, I still don't see why any of you care that Akron should be a part of Cleveland's MSA when it already is a part of the CSA.

And again, I don't see why (I actually I do) people in southern Ohio are bent on keeping Cleveland and Akron two separate MSA's, while there are numerous, almost identical examples of two cities becoming one MSA.

You haven't given me one yet.  You've given me CSA's and the Metroplex.  This isn't about southern/northern Ohio, this is about common sense.  Akron is clearly its own metropolitan area and thus is a MSA.  A metropolitan area is a geographical region with a relatively high population density (Akron) at its core and close economic ties (Barberton, Fairlawn) throughout the area. Hamilton = Lorain = Elyria = Middletown = Delaware = Newark does NOT = Akron.

You haven't given me one yet. You've given me CSA's and the Metroplex. This isn't about southern/northern Ohio, this is about common sense. Akron is clearly its own metropolitan area and thus is a MSA. A metropolitan area is a geographical region with a relatively high population density (Akron) at its core and close economic ties (Barberton, Fairlawn) throughout the area. Hamilton = Lorain = Elyria = Middletown = Delaware = Newark does NOT = Akron.

I gave you an example, 25% of the people I work with in Indenependence live in Akron, and their drive is shorter than my drive from a Cleveland MSA.

 

I-77 is probably the most congested drive right now in the Cleveland area, every morning and evening, and is probably why they're widening it on both sides.

You haven't given me one yet. You've given me CSA's and the Metroplex. This isn't about southern/northern Ohio, this is about common sense. Akron is clearly its own metropolitan area and thus is a MSA. A metropolitan area is a geographical region with a relatively high population density (Akron) at its core and close economic ties (Barberton, Fairlawn) throughout the area. Hamilton = Lorain = Elyria = Middletown = Delaware = Newark does NOT = Akron.

I gave you an example, 25% of the people I work with in Indenependence live in Akron, and their drive is shorter than my drive from a Cleveland MSA suburb.

 

I-77 is probably the most congested drive right now in the Cleveland area, every morning and evening, and is probably why they're widening it on both sides.

Hamilton = Lorain = Elyria = Middletown = Delaware = Newark

 

You are asking for it.

^ ;)

 

You haven't given me one yet. You've given me CSA's and the Metroplex. This isn't about southern/northern Ohio, this is about common sense. Akron is clearly its own metropolitan area and thus is a MSA. A metropolitan area is a geographical region with a relatively high population density (Akron) at its core and close economic ties (Barberton, Fairlawn) throughout the area. Hamilton = Lorain = Elyria = Middletown = Delaware = Newark does NOT = Akron.

I gave you an example, 25% of the people I work with in Indenependence live in Akron, and their drive is shorter than my drive from a Cleveland MSA.

 

I-77 is probably the most congested drive right now in the Cleveland area, every morning and evening, and is probably why they're widening it on both sides.

 

That's fine and dandy and that's why they are a single CSA.  But not an MSA.

^ ;)

 

You haven't given me one yet. You've given me CSA's and the Metroplex. This isn't about southern/northern Ohio, this is about common sense. Akron is clearly its own metropolitan area and thus is a MSA. A metropolitan area is a geographical region with a relatively high population density (Akron) at its core and close economic ties (Barberton, Fairlawn) throughout the area. Hamilton = Lorain = Elyria = Middletown = Delaware = Newark does NOT = Akron.

I gave you an example, 25% of the people I work with in Indenependence live in Akron, and their drive is shorter than my drive from a Cleveland MSA.

 

I-77 is probably the most congested drive right now in the Cleveland area, every morning and evening, and is probably why they're widening it on both sides.

 

That's fine and dandy and that's why they are a single CSA. But not an MSA.

But if it's not about mileage (same as Dallas/Ft Worth), and it's not about people living in one city and working in another, and it's not about traffic volume between the two, then what's it about?

If traffic volume, living in one city and working in another, and milage "counted," then the entire Megapolis would be a giant CSA.  Hell, throw in Chicago-Milwaukee-Madison or Toronto-London-Windsor-Detroit-Lansing-Grand Rapids-Michigan Adventure.

 

It's about HOW many people commute to your city of employment.  Obviously, cities attract people from suburbs and towns to work.  Akron obviously attracts people in Barberton and Cuyahoga Falls to work.  Cleveland obviously doesn't attract enough people from Barberton or Cuyahoga Falls to work.  And THUS, Akron is its own MSA.

And I have no clue why you are arguing WHY Akron isn't a part of Cleveland's MSA when it's FACT THAT IT ISN'T!  Good God, just like Dayton ISN'T a part of Cincinnati's CSA (yet, or maybe never, who knows).

If traffic volume, living in one city and working in another, and milage "counted," then the entire Megapolis would be a giant CSA.  Hell, throw in Chicago-Milwaukee-Madison or Toronto-London-Windsor-Detroit-Lansing-Grand Rapids-Michigan Adventure.

 

It's about HOW many people commute to your city of employment.  Obviously, cities attract people from suburbs and towns to work.  Akron obviously attracts people in Barberton and Cuyahoga Falls to work.  Cleveland obviously doesn't attract enough people from Barberton or Cuyahoga Falls to work.  And THUS, Akron is its own MSA.

So, if a city within group of cities employs most of its residents, meaning that they don't work in another city within the metro, they should be called their own MSA??

And I have no clue why you are arguing WHY Akron isn't a part of Cleveland's MSA when it's FACT THAT IT ISN'T! Good God, just like Dayton ISN'T a part of Cincinnati's CSA (yet, or maybe never, who knows).

Just because it isn't "so", doesn't mean it isn't so..

According to the Census Bureau's technical definition, Akron isn't a part of Cleveland's metropolitan area.  However according to many other sources, Akron is most certainly a part of Greater Cleveland.  It doesn't really matter though.

But it ISN'T "so," therefore it isn't so.  So what?

If traffic volume, living in one city and working in another, and milage "counted," then the entire Megapolis would be a giant CSA. Hell, throw in Chicago-Milwaukee-Madison or Toronto-London-Windsor-Detroit-Lansing-Grand Rapids-Michigan Adventure.

 

It's about HOW many people commute to your city of employment. Obviously, cities attract people from suburbs and towns to work. Akron obviously attracts people in Barberton and Cuyahoga Falls to work. Cleveland obviously doesn't attract enough people from Barberton or Cuyahoga Falls to work. And THUS, Akron is its own MSA.

So, if a city within group of cities employs most of its residents, meaning that they don't work in another city within the metro, they should be called their own MSA??

 

No.  If a group of cities SURROUNDING a main core city work in that said core city, then it should be its own MSA.  Obviously, the Census uses a %-based on commuting and therefore Barberton isn't a part of Cleveland's MSA.  BUT...since there are disputes between commuting between Richfield and Twinsburg, then Cleveland and Akron combine into a CSA.

 

And I hope you get that so I can get back to...

 

 

Because you forumers drive me to it!

I always considered the natural MSA for Cleveland to be Cuyahoga and the surrounding counties that border Cuyahoga. Lorain, Medina, Summit, Portage, Geauga, Lake and Cuyahoga  being the center of the metro. Radio stations in Akron had used Akron-Cleveland when announcing their call signs. If you ever drove 77 north to go to Cleveland you would better understand why Summit should be part of Cleveland's MSA, as well as Stark county.

But...it's...a...part...of...Cleveland's...C...S...A...

 

Oh f**k it!

 

But...it's...a...part...of...Cleveland's...C...S...A...

 

Oh f**k it!

 

 

Don't you get it?  THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR US! ;)

*LOL!*

 

It...just...doesn't...stop!

 

*New forumer from Elyria*

 

Well, ColDayMan, I think Akron should be included with Cleveland's MSA.  Like duh!  There's like Hudson, Macedonia, malls and stuff between them...totally like I can get Z-107.9 in North Canton!  That Red Robin off I-77 near Belden Village is SO a part of Cleveland's MSA, ColDay.  You just don't, like, get it dude!

*Tina from Ashtabula writes in*

 

ColDay, I don't know who the hell you think you are but I've been living in this area for over 37 years with two cats and when I drive down Rt. 2, all I see are houses from here to Massillon.  It's all one MSA baby!

*Juan from Glenville*

 

Negro please.  This area has been a f_ckin' MSA since I saw Shawn Kemp's three baby mommas at the old Richfield joint, nah mean?  I went to that Winking Lizards down in Peninsula to get me and this b_tch some of those Cleveland-famous wings and dizzamn, I thought to myself "shit, are we near Akron?  Oh shit, that's like a suburb or some shit D'awna."  This b_tch told me "yeah right, you smokin' that Cali purp."  Shit, ColDay, these motherf_ckas is tellin' the truth when they say it's one MSA.  For real, like, real talk.  EAST 123rd STREET RIDAZ!!!

*John from Bay Village*

 

CoolDayMan, go to hell with your Cincinnatti self!  You just mad bcz you live in Kntucky!  LOL!  I can look outside my $$$4 million house and see the greatest lake in the world...you look out side and see a muddy river!  Ewww.  Akron is part of Cleveland's PSA, motherf_cker!

Shhhhhhhhhh....  I think he's finally sleeping

 

 

 

I ain't a half-breed!  I'M PURE BLACK!!!

Sprawl!!!!!!!

According to the Census Bureau's technical definition, Akron isn't a part of Cleveland's metropolitan area. However according to many other sources, Akron is most certainly a part of Greater Cleveland. It doesn't really matter though.

 

Yeah, why should CB be given some sort of divine right and have a monopoply on defining what a given area's SMA should be!

Understanding how an MSA is formed should be one of the first thing everyone on here should have to pass before completing registration, in order to post.